At what point does a state become an empire?

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When they decide to consider themselves one
Or somebody a thousand years later decides to call them one

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>>3361870
When they begin seriously engaging in imperialism

>>3361870
When they commit their first genocide in occupied land.

I assume when it gets to the point that most of their homeland gets their goods from controlled territories.

Y'all niggas are dumb.
It's when a state rules over more than one people - for example if a state encompasses Italians, Germans, and Slavs.

An empire has multiple distinct nations, and is called as such.

When it has conquered three nations and brings them beneath a single state

>>3363025
Would just the island of Great Britain be an empire? English, Welsh and Scots?

>>3363056
If the Queen calls herself an Empress, sure. Although there's a few hundred years of precedent that says 'no' to overcome.

>>3361870

When a king
1) holds three or more kingdom titles at the same time
2) and he has authority over 180 or more settlements of any kind
3) and he has an immense amount of prestige in the eyes of the world

He/she can create a new title of empire rank.

>>3363102
what is this europa? literally anyone can call themselves an emperor

>>3363102
That's how you found a CK2 player.

>>3363056
>English, Welsh and Scots
Practically the same people.

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>>3363102
Ayo hol up

>>3363192
He changed religion more often than Spain during the Inquisition.

>>3361870
You officially have an empire when two states are combined as one.

>>3363192
*coronation ceremony bankrupts your nation*

Does it count as being an empire when you don't occupy other countries but liberate them instead?

>>3363112
you need 1000 dev to become an empire

>>3361870
An empire is a kingdom ruling over multiple ethnicites and people. Can't be empire of just the Greeks, but you can be Emperor of the Greeks, Balkans, and Anatolia .

>>3361870
A state does not BECOME an empire

Continent sized countries or overseas territories

When the head of state starts wearing a military uniform and they DIDN'T obtain power through a coup.

>>3364730
What type of countries are these?

>>3361870
When it rules over a different nations of peoples. Pathetic cuckcountries think they can import diversity to establish multiculturalism in their own lands and this is the same thing. It's not.

>>3361870
A conventional state has clearly defined borders while an empire has a fuzzy frontier that extends into peripheral states.

>>3361870
The Empire is the realm ruled by the Emperor, i.e. the man legitimised by the Catholic Church to succeed in the tradition of Roman Emperors.

All other "Empires" and "Emperors" are imposters.

>>3364771
Switzerland is not an Empire.

>>3363192
Modern day African dictators are why i believe some of the stuff said about Caligula weren't bull.

When it has imperium (the ability to command outside states/trubes/individuals to do their bidding) over others.

When you have a de facto or de jure dominant group ruling over (relatively) inferior groups. Common attributes of empires are monarchy, huge territory/population and ethnic diversity.

>>3361870
When it shows similarities to Rome, the only real empire and the one who made us coin the term. This can be either because they hold a lot of lands, a lot of different peoples, because they claim some real or imagined descent from Rome and other stuff.

When you have a de facto or de jure dominant group/culture ruling over (relatively) inferior groups/cultures. Common attributes of empires are monarchy, huge territory/population and ethnic diversity.

>>3363970
But the Byzantine empire was empire of just the Greeks for like 500 years?

>>3365661
This. Even the british/spanish ""empire"" was ruled by a king.

>>3361870
Seems it´s like very early right after the state is consolidated. Consider Spain after Reconquista, England, USA, etc.

>>3361870
after you steal the other half of the universe and grip it in the palm of your hand, you can call yourself an Emperor. Reinhard was still a Musel when he took the reigns of the Galactic Imperium. The annihilation of the FPA made him a cast in blood Emperor.

>>3366423
Anatolia isn't the Greeks, and they ruled over the Balkans on and off. Until the severe decline at the end they satisifed the conditions. After that, they were empire in title and not fact and were not really an empire any more.

Most of these posts seem bs. What about the Empire of Japan? Not diverse at all. Inca empire? Aztec empire? It has nothing to do with religion or cultural make up or number of countries ruled over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires

>>3361870
When it is ruled by an Imperator whose sovereignty is dervied from the military.

>>3367837
The Japanese Empire wasn't until they began expressing hegemony over East Asia. Calling the Emperor of Japan an Emperor prior was just a translation of their term, not denoting that Japan was an Empire.

>>3367837
And the Inca literally ruled over a diverse empire of multiple ethnicities, peoples, and states!

>>3367837
all of those ruled over other people (nations). Aztecs (Aztec Empire or if you want the Mexica state of Tenochtitlán) ruled over totonacas, mixtecas, some mayan city-states to name a few, that were previously sovereign or autonomous. But, in all, the core administration (read: the ruling power) was held by the Mexica.

I'm almost positive it is also true with Inca (other indigenous people) and Japanese (coreans, chinese, manchure) empires.

I may be wrong, but I'd call an empire any state that has soberany over other principality or client-kingdom.

>>3367837
Japan had Korea and several Chinese possessions, the Inca's had all the tribes they conquered and that's the same for the Aztecs

>>3367837
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_empires
Bullshit list, doesn't even mention the Ebonoid Galactic Empire that travelled to earth via an interdimensional melanin powered star gate and created civilization until the white cave people used tricknology to force them into the hollow earth and today attempt to brainwash the descendants of the Ebonoids into thinking they aren't gods and royalty.

>>3363759
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