Bronze Age Collapse

>>3359485

Based on the painting, it looks like the primary cause was fire.

The sea people's are still pretty irrelevant to the whole collapse. Look up on You tube real quick 1177bc. It's about an hour long video about the bronze age collapse and this guy who also wrote the book explains it pretty well.

>>3359512

Oh I never implied that they caused the collapse. I agree with the theory in what more likely happened is the collapse was already basically done and the Sea Peoples just showed up to take advantage of everyone's naval power being gone.

>>3359533

Do you mean, Phoenicians?

>>3359543

No they are specifically called the Sea Peoples because we have no clue who they were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Peoples

For all we know they were just an army (navy) of pirates

>>3359546

It is true that Phoenicians appeared soon after the collapse, though, right? Or at least, they became much more prominent than they'd previously been.

>>3359551
It seems like there's no real connection between the two though. If the Phoenicians were the Sea Peoples, they probably would've written about it, because Phoenician writing survived that civilization's collapse.

>>3359556

Phoenicia was already around for a good 300 years when the Bronze Age Collapse happened somewhere around 1200 BCE.

>>3359563
Meant for >>3359551

>>3359563

Where did Phoenicians come from, then?

>>3359573

Israel/Lebanon area.

>>3359485

The ASSyrrians didn't write about it but the Egyptians did. Essentially, the chariot armies of the near east used mercenary "runners" alongside, these fought on foot and had the job of rushing in to murder the enemy charioteers after their horses had been killed, like a "clean-up squad". Over time these "runners" developed a number of useful weapons to help them do their job, these include especially a small solid metal shield that could be held at arms length while charging archers to provide considerable protection, plus the javelin, which became a secondary means of taking down enemy chariot horses, the primary still being your own armies chariots.

At some point, some of these "runners" probably figured out that they alone could beat an enemy chariot force, they didn't even need chariots on their side. They tried this out, where hugely successful, made a tonne of booty and went back to their various homelands with their wealth and their stories.

Cue a generation-long series of invasions from the homelands of the mercenaries, each larger than the last as more and more wealth flowed west and as the victims of the first waves joined in on the second and subsequent waves until every chariot-based state was destroyed.

The Egyptians wisely withheld their own chariots in their fights with the Sea Peoples, instead relying solely on their very numerous infantry, ASSyrria survived because their homeland was very mountainous, and many of their traditional enemies lived even higher up in the mountains, in areas no chariot could reach, so the ASSyyrians always fielded many infantry they could rely on to fight the invaders. Other states in the region fielded only levied infantries, whose job was chiefly to hold territory, with the entirety of the "fighting power" of the state being tied to a very small aristocratic elite of charioteers. This set-up had worked for 1,000 years but it made them terribly vulnerable to armies of "runners".

>>3359546
>we have no clue who they were
But we pretty much know who they were. Cretans, Cycladeans, Sardinians, Sicilians, as well as migrants from western Anatolia.

>>3359638

"Pretty much" is pushing it, we have a number of possible identifications,some seemingly very probably (Sherden were Sardinians, Phillistines were Myceneans) but others of which are basically just a guess (Meshwesh are Libyan? They came from that direction, that's literally all we know).

>>3359644
Shekelesh = Sicilians
Peleset = Philistines (likely Cretans/Cycladeans)
Sherden = Sardinians

>>3359644
The Meshwesh are pretty much confirmed to be Libyan, considering their pretty documentation by Egyptians (they were called Tjehenu, which was a generic descriptor of Lybian). A few of them even became Egyptian pharaohs during the 21st dynasty.

>>3359916
*pretty decent

>>3359485
I've read a theory that one of the biggest factors to the Bronze Age collapse was the temperature change in the Mediterranean. The temperature was dropping enough that less and less amount water evaporation happened, which caused less rain and screwed up the crops mostly in Levant. Nobody was prepared or knew how to solve this so many farmers had to emigrate to more suitable climates. Because of this, the prices for food skyrocketed and almost nobody can pay for necessities, causing riots and eventual collapse of society.

>>3359551
Not really, the Phoenicians were already there, but They didnt start expansion westwards until The 9th century bc

>>3359651
Philistines seem to be Cypriots, Sikalayu were Not just Sicilians but a population from all of South Italy, They needed to get Mycenean pottery because it was an essential luxury good for their chiefdom System but since The Myceneans didnt provide them regularly with it because They collapsed The Sicels had to go East and take it themselves, plus probably Sicel mercenaries Who were already there revealed and became pirates after The collapse

>>3359916
Also Herodotus talks abou The Mexwes from Tunisia as a Lybian tribe

>>3359509
That painting has nothing to do with The bronze age, looks more like 15th century architecture

>>3359633
That sounds pretty cool. Any good books covering it?

>>3359987
There is also an interesting episode where a Hurrian princess gets kidnapped by Sikalayu pirates and when The king of Hatti gets her he interrogates her about the Sikalayu's land as if he never heard about it, before sending her back to Ugarit

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>>3359580
From what I gather the Phonecians originally came to Lebanon from Bahrain via the Red Sea

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenicia#Origins

>>3359932

Cute theory but there is no evidence for it in the climatic records.

>>3360062

Try "The End of the Bronze Age: Changes in Warfare and the Catastrophe ca. 1200 BC" by Robert Drews goes over the evidence for the theory, it's pretty compelling, heavily referenced, and written with a minimum of technical jargon so even a layperson can follow.

>>3360101
No, They were always there, thats a Herodotean myth and it's bullshit like most of his stories


Phoenician is a Canaanite language like Hebrew, meaning it's a West Semitic language so native to The Levant.

Also Phoenician cities like Byblos existed since like 2,000 BC, and we even have several letters which testify The relationship between The Pharaoh and Phoenician rulers, at The time of The letters (1350 BC) The Phoenician were under The Egyptian empire so The rulers of The city states like Tyre were just vassals, They pretty much licked his boots, it's only from 1100-1000 BC onwards that The Phoenicians started getting independed and flipped off Egyptians (see The letter of Wenamun, 1050 BC) because The Egyptian empire lost its grip on The Levant due to The Philistines and political instability


And it's only in 900 BC that They started e expanding west and colonizing Cyprus, Cyprus was basically The only levantine region to trade directly with West Meds such as Sicels and Sards, so when Phoenicians conquered Cyprus They learned about their traderoutes for silver from them and by 850-800 BC They started colonizing The Central and West Mediterranean, which is something The Cypriots didn't do since They only went there seasonally or settled in local centers

>>3360101
>>3360147
We shouldn't call them Pheonicians, we should call them Canaanites, that's what they called themselves. Phoenicians is some retarded name the Greeks gave them.

>>3360173
Well maybe you're right but Phoenician is more specific, also correct me guys if I'm wrong bu the Phoenicians responsible for the creation of all the colonies in the West Med including Carthage were from Tyre, so shouldn't we just call them Tyrians, just like we call Roman colonies Roman and not Latin.

>>3360118
While I cant upload the original PDF, here is another source that talks more about the theory and provides more evidence.

http://www.bleedrake.com/page4/page11/index.html

>>3360178

Canaanites come in three kinds, the coastal ones who built Tyre, the highland ones who bred pigs and got genocided, and the Israelites who were highland Canaanites who converted to an Egyptian cult.

>>3360178
I fucking hate Hellenization of names, thanks to that faggot Alexander, everything we didn't discover in 19th or 20th century has a Greek name.

>Byblos
Canaanite: Gebal, Greek: Byblos, English: Byblod
>Tyre
Canaanite: Sur, Greek: Tyros, English: Tyre
>Thebes
Egyptian: Waster, Greek: Thebai, English: Thebes
>Memphis
Egyptian: Mennefer, Greek: Memphis, English: Memphis
etc

This thankfully doesn't extend to places like Hattusa or Ugarit because they fortunately collapsed before the yogurt niggers could fuck their names up.

>>3360195
>Waster
*Waset

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I tried fixing that awful mess of the Eupedia map

there was literally never a bronze age

>>3360266
What do you mean?

>>3360277

He means that he suffered a serious head injury as a small child and has never been the same since.

>>3359509
Kek

>>3359546
The phoenecians were one of many groups who are thought to have been included in the Sea peoples.

>>3361639
Not really, they are not included by anyone among the sea peoples.

Egyptians knew the Phoenicians well since they were under their rule, the sea peoples' tribal names were listed many times and there were never Phoenicians among them

>>3360058
History is cyclical.

>>3361837
They didn't even use true arches in the bronze age, except maybe a few isolated cases in Mesopotamia, they all built corbel arches

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>>3361872

The most likely explanation is that that the painting was made in the 15th century, and the painter just created an image of what he imagined an ancient city would look like, rather than researching what it would really look like. Ancient cities didn't look as impressive as we often imagine them to be. Many of the most iconic paintings of antiquity were painted by renaissance artists. For example, this famous image of Cicero denouncing Catiline, was actually painted in the 19th century. My overarching point here is that the artist probably wasn't an expert on ancient architecture and just painted architecture that he was familiar with, sort of like how William Shakespeare falsely assumed that there were mechanical clocks in classical Rome.

>>3362844
Yes though your painting isn't really farfetched, the Roman senate probably didn't look much different than that

I don't know about the clothes though, maybe they were more colorful, but I'm not really an expert in Roman history

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>>3362844
Troy probably looked something liked this

It was a relatively powerful city state considering how often it's mentioned in Hittite sources, but the city only had around 1,000-5,000 inhabitants, some estimates even say 10,000 but I don't know, anyway most people lived in the lower town, not inside the stone walls

>>3362853

>the Roman senate probably didn't look much different than that

The Roman senate was composed of 500+ men. Unless there is a huge number of senators offscreen, the entire scene is much too small to be realistic. Attendance fluctuated, but this particular meeting must have been packed. The clothes are also wrong because Roman senators wore togas with purple edges. Pure white togas were only worn by people who didn't hold any office, or were campaigning for office. In fact, the modern word "candidate" is derived from the latin word for a pure white toga. It captures the spirit of what probably happened, but it's not an accurate representation.

>>3360277
The earth began in about 900BC

>>3360657
Eat shit degenerate. Ill put you on a cross

>>3362881
read the illiad it looked nothing like that. The population numbered higher than 70,000

>>3362991
>trusting the myth over archeology

>>3362998
archaeology is as much a science as grave robbing. Homer was there when he wrote it

>>3363047
>Homer was there when he wrote it
proof?

>>3363054
his name is on the book as teh author of The Illiad

>>3359485
>"There was civilization everywhere, but it's gone now"

Huh, sounds like the world since 9/11.

>>3363054
how are you falling for this bait?

>>3363083
proof?

>>3363174
find a copy of the illiad and itll say it was written by Homer

>>3362881

They've recently discovered a whole extensive "suburb" under the fields around Troy, it was probably much bigger than has been assumed, albeit probably not the size it's portrayed in Iliad.

>>3362897
There's also the fact that the building the actual event occurred in was a square room, not a half-circle as the painting depicts.

>>3359633
>The ASSyrrians didn't write about it
how do you know?
just because you cant found it, it doesnt mean it didnt exist

remember that those lands sa more destruction than greece, egypt and other civilization

Essential viewing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRcu-ysocX4

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>mfw I was taught in Christian school that The Flood caused the Bronze Age collapse
Oh God, my shitty education.

>>3359546
they're actually called the sea peoples because that's what the egyptians called them

>>3363174
I bought a first edition copy at a flea market.

>>3363842

When I say "they didn't write about it", OBVIOUSLY I mean "we have never found anything about it written by them". Do you really need to have this explained to you, you fucking mental cripple? I realize you're some dumb google who can't even manage grammar let alone reasoning but seriously, even for a """person""" like you this should be too obvious to need stating.

>>3363975
sorry whatever you are but im not a nigger

explain yourself better then, imbeciel

>>3363987
>can't manage grammar
>namefag

It's very obvious which of us is the imbecile, dope.

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The hyperwar

>>3364156
Anon that was over 5000 years earlier

>>3364206
Oh I thought we were talking about the quantum age collapse.

>>3362991
No, the Iliad is a myth, Troy was nowhere near that sizd, the max it could've had is 10,000 but many say it's an overestimate, 10,000 is a considerable number for a bronze age city, one of The most powerful near eastern city states had 25,000

>>3363780
My image includes the lowertowb

>>3365097
those near eastern cities save EGypt, Egyptian cities, Israeli cities and Troy were irrelevant. To disprove it compeltely there was literally iron at the battle for Troy. You claim that the illiad is a myth, but every Roman document will literally proclaim that they descended from Trojans. There is no reason to beileve that any people would have even been able to survive the slaughter of 30,000 greek soldiers if there wasn't more AND 10,000 is a pathetic number for God to give before he forms Rome out of fire and sword. Or do you deny that Agamemmnon brought a full army consisting of 30,000 people to the fight? You also have literally no proof, empirical (which is garbage that you are obviously obsessing over) or philosphical to say that The Illiad is a myth when it is the most defeinitive guide on the Trojan war, greek theology et al

>>3365123
> there was literally iron at the battle for Troy
So?

>>3365147
so there was never a bronze age which would demand all thse ghetto shit everyone on this thread keeps promoting where cities aren't aloud to be legal cities

>>3365163
Bronze age doesn't mean iron didn't exist. IIRC iron metallurgy is even older than bronze one, iron was just cheap and shitty while bronze was highly priced and a heavily seeked commodity, hence bronze age.

>>3365215
bronze age literally denotes that there was no iron. They were all amde around the same time, but this was long before any human walked the earth. Bronze is literally an inferior material to Iron as an ancient weapon. It also costs much more to make because it requires three different raw materials to make along with specified furnaces and techniques that knowledge of which would make you a chemist. Making iron is like cooking food, which only requires two materials rather than three.

>>3365248
>literally denotes that there was no iron
It literally doesn't.

>>3365248
>inferior material
You are an idiot. Iron was literal shit before steel was invented.

>>3365254
soldiers who wielded iron always defeated those who wielded bronze because they would have a shortage of soldiers and their horses would be much slower so their chariots and auxilires were shit. It was better suited for machinery than warfare, which is penny pinching and empirical in nature. On top of that, steel was literally recorded as existing during that very war
>>3365251
Says who? You? some idiot who doesn't beileve undenible theological fact?

>>3365279
>metallurgy is theology
Fuck you're on about brainlet

>>3365285
Not metallurgy, the fact that there was never a bronze age, but the earth was formed around 900BC right before the trojan war

>>3365297
You're from Texas right

>>3365297
Your gods are pure delsuions. The bible demonstrates metaphorically with a historical basis all kinds of events you will ever try to comprehend.

The world started 50000 years ago. Your dumb heresy will only make you go to hell.

>>3365163
>>3365147
Iron was not used for weapons at the time of the battle of Troy, only some knifes, spears, swords and most daggers were still in bronze

>>3365303
I saw Troy burn and I saw the Earth form so dont doubt me
>>3365305
hard to think that when you can literally see all of this happen if you just pray. Though I bet your more concerned with committing blasphemy so you can impress people on the internet

>>3365313
You're from Texas right

>>3365123
>Or do you deny that Agamemmnon brought a full army consisting of 30,000 people to the fight?

Unlikely, Egyptians used 20,000 people to fight the Hittites, and the Egyptian empire was much bigger and had much more population than Mycenean Greece, plus when the supposed Trojan war happened, 1180 bc, the Mycenean palatial system had collapsed so it's unlikely Greeks were able to put a large army on the field

>>3365313

Take your meds, your mother is worried about you.

>>3365316

The armies of the Sea Peoples could be much larger than that, as they were in the invasions of Egypt.

>>3365317
people like you get shot by people like Stalin
>>3365315
eat shit libcuck you've been BTFO and fuck texas irma is a blessing

>>3365123
The Roman myths are that, myth

There is no archaeological evidence of any migration from Anatolia to Central Italy, sorry to burst your little bubble, you're the same kind of idiot who believes there was a "pre inca" culture which build polygonal walls over the world, you're that precise kind of idiot who denies conventional history and rather believes in myths and stupid conspiracy theories because it's easier than reading books or doing an objective research, your kind should fuck off and find a hobby more suited for gullible dumb asses like you.

>>3365325
>people like you get shot by people like Stalin

What, concerned onlookers? Yeah I guess you're right. Just take your meds and we can talk more about how Stalin is trying to kill us all.

>>3365316
You're entire post is wrong in every way. Where are you getting this garbage information, wikipedia? On top of that, you are in no position to decide what is unlikely as there was more arable land in Greece than in Egypt so there is no reason why they couldn't have had more people, and on top of that agamemmnon was a demagoge so he wouldn't have the same army at EGyptians who relied on professional troops rather than levies as he did

>>3365322
>The armies of the Sea Peoples could be much larger than that

We don't know the exact number, but it wasn't much, plus we don't know who destroyed Troy, considering that the pottery in Troy after the 12th century cb destruction looks more like Balkanian ugly pottery and there were Balkanian vases there after the destruction it's likely it was Balkanian barbarians, while the sea peoples who invaded Syria and Egypt were mostly displaced Greeks, Cretans and a minority of South Italians and Sards according to the pottery and material culture they left behind, so it probably was different groups

>>3365331
>in every way


Such as?

Make an argument instead of making these vague statements pretending you know shit while you are a fucking gullible idiot

>>3365330
People who deny God and chide those who do suffer unto death. Why don't you just shut your trap if you have no argument other than calling people crazy because christian dogs have never held belief of faith of any kind

>>3365333
>we don't know who destroyed Troy,

Yes we do, it was the Sea Peoples, including elements of the military forces of the collapsed Mycenaean states, reduced to freebooting for loot by the destruction of their civilization by the first wave of Sea Peoples.

>>3365331
T.Retard

Egypt had millions of people in it, Greece had shitty land, Egypt had multiple cities reaching 100,000 inhabitants, Greece had smaller cities on average and didn't have a central government, it's unlikely they would put an army larger than the Egyptian's on the field

>>3365338

I'm not calling you crazy, that's just what your doctors think. I'm on your side, I think we should kill Stalin AND God, and those dogs, too. Just take your meds and we can chat.

>>3365337
I literally saw it with my own eyes, everything that happend. If you stopped looking for garbage empircal evidence which is designed to be worthless you would know these things. The hittites never existed. On top of that you are using empirical evidence in all of your arguments which is by its nature unreliable and misleading, as said by Socrates and God.

>>3365341
>Yes we do

We don't, we don't even know who the sea peoples were except for Aegeans, but Aegeans is really a vague term, we don't know what parts of the Aegean they came from and we don't know if Italians or other groups joined them, saying sea peoples is like saying "the pirates", it's not a single ethnicity

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>>3365331
>more arable land in Greece than in Egypt

lol wut

>>3365345
Idiots like you should be instabanned, take your pills you retarded schizo.

>>3365342
There is literally no record of them having millions of people and if they did they would have a superior population to Greece which has shrunk since then. Greek land wasn't shitty because it was easy to defend, supplied over ten years of campaigning by the Agamemmnons, and the egyptians failed to carry out long term successful campaigns.

>>3365349
they could only take crops from teh delta, the rest couldn't be used as farmland. Whereas Greece has proven to be able to field longer campaigns at war
>>3365350
because im not some idiot that beileves in empirical evidence off of wikipedia? Guess well throw out all sixteen branches of philosophy along with it since you'd rather not litsen to socrates

>>3365352

I'm not that other faggot but you are an absolute moron of the highest order. Not one thing you say is true, read a goddamn book before you embarrass yourself like this again you waste of skin.

>>3365344
Go suck a cock you communist filth, you really want to start labeling people you cant even form an argument against crazy? Reminds me of the witch-hunts or the inquistion, maybe I should just agree with your stupid ass that beileves in 50,000 years of lost human history, huh?

>>3365355
>they could only take crops from teh delta, the rest couldn't be used as farmland

"No".

>Whereas Greece has proven to be able to field longer campaigns at war

Egypt sustained total domination over the Levant for THOUSANDS of years and was the breadbasket of every Empire from Persia to the Roman.

>>3365356
What books did you read? Because the illiad is a primary document that explains the entire Greek world. The rest is written in Greek myths and art taht are also primary documents

>>3365352
>upplied over ten years of campaigning by the Agamemmnons

I hope you know Agamennon is a mythical figure, there is no evidence he existed, stop being a gullible fuckwit for once

>There is literally no record of them having millions of people

Archaeologists can do estimates, summing the population of metropoleis like Avaris which counted 100,000 people+ Memphis+Thebes+Amarna etc... + all the smaller towns it easily reached some millions of people

>>3365358

That's right, 50,000 years of Stalin, witchunts sound cool e can do those too, but please just do me a favor and take your meds first, then we can really iron out our plan to start these witchunts.

>>3365358

So ebin trel.
Fuck off you LARPing faggot.

>>3365361
Its literally true. Egypt never conqured the levant until the age of Islam. And even then their campaigns didn't last as long as ten years at that time

>>3365366
Egypt conquered the Levant around 1400 bc and kept it under control until 1150 bc

T.Not him

>>3365366

Something to do with sea power or could it be something to do with the more labour intensive agrarian society which we tend to associate with Egypt?
The Greeks at this point were pastoralist, right?

>>3365325
t. American
You're not even white

>>3365368
>The Greeks at this point were pastoralist, right?

What?

What do you mean?

They had of course agriculture too, you can't sustain a 30,000 people city like Mycenae without agriculture

>>3365365
>>3365364
Do you have any argument that doens't amount to the soviet tactic of trying to silence your enemy. You sound like antifa or someshit. Though dumbshits who can't speak words on their own do normally have trouble since their terminally autistic.
>>3365326
archaeology is not a science, it does not use the scientific method, nor does it supply any empircal evidence, nor has it successfully answered any questions regarding supposed prehistoric life such as evolution or who all these acient civlizations were. In the most post-modern of senses the world has been reversed from its true form because people refuse to rely upon non-empirical evidence. Being that the fictious stories and ruins left by God as works of art are considered fact while the truth is consdiered obsolete because people refuse to have faith in God like you. Its actually difficult and requires a lot of power to beileve in God the way I do, impossible in fact. Whereas the actual gullible people like you beileve every blasphemous abomination from the trinity to people thinking the earth was round to illegal immigrants being good for the economy.

>>3365375
Take your meds you crazy autist

>>3365368
The sea peoples were litreally just members from seven tribes tha tried to conuqer shit like demagouges and got killed to the last man. The never accomplished anything, and no they had superior technology to Egypt including sailing, farming, crop rotation etc.
>>3365367
egypt didn't exist during that time
>>3365370
im as white as it gets

>>3365380
You keep talking shit, but all I've read is you being incapable of forming an actual argument. Is believing in God really something that should be punished and cleaned out of people, like you're suggesting?

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>>3365384
>Americans
>white

>>3365387
Germans were literally never white because being white means you lived or descended from anyone who had citizenship in the Roman Empire. Though Adolf, being an Austrian, was.

>>3365390
>biological race is the same as citizenship
Spoken like a true mongrel civnat cuck

>>3365386
You shit up a good discussion with your schizo rants, you should be fucking impaled and flayed alive, kys.

>>3365397
Look at a census from the most powerful country on earth being the USA and theyll list as every former Roman territory as being caucasian. Besides that, thats literally what that word meant when it was first invented, and is where your whole argument began from.

>>3365373

>What?
>What do you mean?

Why did you ask this twice?
I meant by and large were they a pastoral people. The Mycenean Greeks weren't as urbanised as they would become a thousand years later, and land that isn't suitable for agriculture can be used to raise animals on - Greece has always had a lot of land unfit for agriculture.
The Egyptians were a far more thoroughly agrarian society than the Greeks, with a more regular cycle, so it may be that their armies were less capable of protracted campaigning.
Its really just a guess.

>>3365375

I struggle to believe you are a real poster and not some kind of gobshite troll, LARPer or some other kind of retard.
The idea that you're just a schizo is disturbing to me, there's a board for retards like you, its called /rtd/.

>>3365405
Waht good discussion? Where everyone shits of tragic greek heroes who were sent by God to protect filthy, ungrateful humans. The only person ranting is you because you keep trying to shout me down with some retarded commie slogans, you cuck.

>>3365414
>I meant by and large were they a pastoral people

False, they practiced agriculture more than apstoralism

>The Mycenean Greeks weren't as urbanised as they would become a thousand years later

They were still largely urbanized, Mycenae, Pylos, Knoss (Under Mycenean rule), all had tens of thousands of people, and there were many other considerable cities such as Thebel, Phaistos, Tyrins or Argo, they were a urbanized people who relied largely on agriculture.

>>3365411
I don't care about miscegenated American brainlets making up arbitrary rules that count mulattoes and jews as white.

>>3365397
>>3365405

He's just a mongoloid troll having his little giggles.

>>3365414
Keep talking shit faggot, you sound like Bill nye the science guy because all of your talkign points is based on empiricla trite that cant explain anything. Guess I should just let you leftist faggots who shit on the heroes of old and the genesis of teh greatest empire go unchallenged to maintain your garbage safe-space, huh?
>>3365420
The term was used by the Romans, you filthy europoor larping neonazi idiot. Bet youll get tried and shot like all of your heroes
>>3365421
keep talking shit man, just shows how shallow all of your insults towards some of the greatest and most holy places to have ever existed are

>>3365432
>m-muh nazis
Semite spotted

>>3365416

*gods
And they were sent to kill filthy ungrateful humans.
Greek heroes were not bound by Christian ethics, you know.

>>3365435
you sound like /pol/, dude literally quoted hitler

>>3365436
They followed jewish ethics which are superior and actually produced skills like Law. You could say they only killed humans, but without them people like Toji, Hitler, and Leopold II could've killed far more people than before.

>>3359546
The sea people were ancient Finns from Atlantis.

>>3365459

This. They were driven back by Goryeo and their Athenian allies in the greatest conflict of the age.