Why didn't Alexander go West?

Because he went East.

>>3359208
Persia/China/India>>>Western European mudhuts

>>3359208

He died

King of Asia lmao

>>3359208
Because there were only smelly retarded hobos living in forest huts in the west. The East had the inheritance of Alexander's husbando.

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What if Alexander stopped fighting and started ruling?

>>3359208
He feared the albanian warrior

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>>3359208
>>>
He was following Dionysus route into India and a fabled route up the nile back into the Aegean sea. Before his death he had planned invasions of Arabia, Carthage and Italy.

Why didn't manifest destiny spread east? Oh yeah because there was nothing fucking there

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>>3359208
Why the fuck would you go West?

West: cold climate. Little resources. Thick woods. Backwards barbarians.

East: cultural aesthetics everywhere. Uh the fuckin silk road. Litteraly that's it. That is all you need for an argument.

Why go West where there is no promise of prosperity instead of east where you know of so much more.

>>3359208

Alexander fully intended to invade the west after he was finished in the east. There was a moment when he met a bunch of Carthagian merchants and he explicitly told them that he'd take over Carthage when the time came. However, he mysteriously dropped dead before he got the chance.

>>3359208

He planned to, his first objective was Persia but after that he intended to annex Arabia and then to campaign in the West. Of course, he died very young soon after returning from his first campaign so he never got to try himself against the West.

>>3359432
>get stung by mosquito
>die

What a little fucking bitch, lmao. Died to an insect.

>>3359208
He was about to before he died. His plans were to conquer Arabia and Carthage.

Persia was a great Civilization that was just starting to have its sun set, while the west was a bunch of nonsense. What's the point of taking over Carthage when you had Tyre, or a nascent Republican Rome?

Persia had Babylon and history. It's where Cyrus ruled.

>>3359431
This, why go all the the west when there is little to nothing of interest

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>>3359208
Because his dream to chase was defeating the biggest, baddest thing since Zeus defeated Cronus. Rome hadn't become more than a regional power. Carthage was, what, just starting to expand its borders past the Phoenician colonies? Ancient Egypt, Persia, Babylonia, and India were east. Mythical shit happened there. Heroes were born and fought and died there. Even in Asia Minor, stuff like Troy was under Persian rule.

If you were Alexander and wanted to fuck the biggest, baddest thing that had existed until that point, where would you go? East or west?

Controlling silk road+spice trade+east mediterranean shipping= economic superpower the world had never seen before. Because Alexander died so early and his empire was split up, were Rome and Carthage able to become competing regional powers.

>>3359208
The eternal P*rsian had plagued the Greeks with war (directly or indirectly) for a century and a half and had to be put down.

>>3359432
>white male threatens semites
>mysteriously dies
Looks like Alex got Mosad'd

>>3359208
Why would he want to invade a barren hinterland inhabited by barbarians?

>>3359208
He should have at least taken Magna Graecia.

>>3359208
Spice trade
He who controls the spice controls the world.

So let the spice flow

Greeks already knew what's in the west its basically Gauls and celts
Carthage or what ever is in north Africa were there rivals.

>>3359208
He feared the Roman warrior

He feared the pasta warrior.

He feared the pizza warriors

>>3361690
Ninja turtles?

He feared red hair Gauls.

He feared the lasagna cavalry

He feared the sauerkraut warrior

he prefered asian boipucci

>>3359208
He feared the Celtic warrior, literally

>>3359208
Carthage was next on his hitlist when he died. Some of his successors tried to get the army together to fulfil his plans but everyone was either too busy going home to Macedon or carving out their own kingdoms from the spoils.

Western Europe became relevant like 1000+ years after Alexander.

He had to deal with Persia first then after dealing with Persia he had to assert dominance at the borders with steppe peoples to the north and India to the east to preserve stability.

Strategically he went too far in India, he should have helped an ally dominate the Indus to create a nice buffer state then he could turn his attention to the Mediterranean.

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tempted to go with this >>3361762 tbqh

Why didn't Alexander continue on East? Did he fear the Punjabi Warrior?

>>3362106
wtf is this anime autism?

>>3359431

>Alexander
>Silk Road

Might want to check those dates again buddy.

If only he had taken Greek culture to Arabia, there would be no is**m today.

>>3362224
>Greek ((((culture))))

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>>3359347
LONG LIVE SHQIP!!!!!

>>3362232
>pedarasty intensifies

>>3359215
>Carthaginians, Romans, Padanians, Etrurians

>mudhuts

Lol...

>>3359215
Did he knew about china?

>>3362111
Unironically yes, his men were really scared of fighting the Indian kings

>>3359213
>Because he went East.
Fpbp desu

>>3362130
>Might want to check those dates again buddy.
>Implying the silk road had a definite beginning
Yah "buddy", you may want to check those arbitrary dates again.

>>3362282
>Carthage
>western
Also as a nice caveat, both under Cambyses II and Xerxes the Persians wanted to go after Carthage but their Phoenician vassals refused to go against their kinsmen.

>>3362111
He defeated Punjabis at Jhelum

>>3362426
Pajeet puhleez. I would ask for citation but I suspect you would unironically give me one.

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>>3360942
haahahahah
wow

white male?

>>3363004
they would have fallen pretty quick if persia of alexander invaded them

carthage problem was that they used mercenaries, they didnt have their own army, fi they then they would have a big empire

>>3359526
Without vaccines and modern medicine you could get really fucked up... Hell even a fever could kill you back in the days of our grandparents let alone at 300 B.C

>>3359526

Alexander conquered most of the known world before dropping dead at age 32 of exhaustion

You can't even conquer your anime love pillow and will drop dead at 35 of a heart attack

>>3360942

Alexander traumatized the Jews so badly that they had to reevaluate their entire history and worldview to accommodate his success

>>3364059
/pol/ ruins everything

>>3364077

What are you even saying

>>3361177
this

the spice must flow

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>>3362106
i-is there more of this? asking for a friend

>>3364049
33 actually

Both Alexander and Cyrus spent more time fighting then actually running their empires but I guess Cyrus was just better at multitasking then Alex was

>>3364115

Alexander was 32 when he died, just short of his birthday

>>3364115

Cyrus lived to be 70, you can't compare them

>>3364140
>Cyrus
>70
No. Next you'll tell me he "died against the Scythians" too.

>>3364158

Are you reading Xenophon retard?

>>3364164
Are you retarded? All Greek sources on Cyrus birth and death are completely contradictory and unverifiable.

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>>3359208
And conquer what?

>>3364172

So which sources are you reading that he didn't die in 530BC?

>>3364178

Alexander took tributes from peoples as far west as the Celts before departing for Asia

>>3364184
What source do you have that he was 70?

>>3364184
Even Herodotus said his story isn't likely true about Cyrus' death you aspie

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>>3359213
Seriously made me ponder...

>>3362282
>Romans, Padanians, Etrurians
They were similar in size to small Greek states, while the Achaemenids hold massive wealth in the east.

>>3364193
>>3364197

Dandamaev, M. A. (1989). A political history of the Achaemenid empire. Leiden: Brill. p. 373. ISBN 90-04-09172-6.

>>3362106
I want to fucc.

All of them.

>>3364211
And I'm supposed to care about what someone wrote almost 2600 years later again why?

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>>3364193

(You)

>persiboos denying basic historical facts again because Alexander's superiority triggers them

I swear this is the same fucking retard that's been here since day one

>>3364235
>not a first hand account
>no direct testimonials, eye witnesses, or stated records
>no indication of direct date of birth
>"he's 70 though"
Here's your (You).

>>3364254
No one denied anything except placement of dates, you samefagging /pol/ reject.

>>3364235
where does this show date of birth? academia isn't doubting the time that cyrus died but his birth year and age, which is and has never been verified

>>3364049
Hi Alex, big fan of your work, but really, a little bug bite?

>>3364265
>>3364267
>>3364271

He was born no later than 580 BC in any extant source, which still makes him nearly twice Alexander's age at death. Get over yourselves

>>3364312

Alexander was almost certainly poisoned. Most probable culprit was Kassander through his brother Iolas

>>3359325
He was a much better tactician than administrator

>>3364477

This meme needs to stop

>>3362130
>silk road

Ok fair enough but to expand The Silk Road is just a anglocentric name given to the trade routes between the east and near east as major travel.

The concept of such a large trade network however is very old in comparison to the time of Alexander the great. If you were to research the origin of the silk road, you'd find that the trade routes had been defined some 3000 years ago.

I will also say that the mal presented is circa 12th century based and therefore not accurate to the time of Alexander the Great, but it was the only image I had saved at the time for refrence and not actual accuracy. Though I will say there are some very ancient trade routes still present on this map, and where we may not have seen those routes in the west in 4thcentury bc, we certainly would see these trade routes in 4th centurybc asia.

Trade routes between the 12th century ad did not change mich either where as for the west having gone through the collapse of Rome, suffered a major chance to grow it's trade from the time of Rome to the 12th century.

>>3364438
Where's the source?

>>3364438

Find me literally ANY source with a later date of birth than 580BC

>>3364667

Meant for

>>3364591

>>3364671
>>3364667
Where's the source?

>>3364677

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Cyrus-the-Great

Now fuck off

>>3364682
Not a first hand source, retard.

>>3364683

Holy shit you're dense

Post a contradicting source then

He wanted revenge on the Persians

>>3364683

You're getting reported. I've dealt with with your stupid ass enough times before and I'm not doing it again. You're the same faggot that pretended to quote arrian and it ended up being some third rate commentary book. Fuck off back to the university of Tehran

>>3364702
>announcing reports
Fuck off troglodyte.

>>3364691
Fuck off and give an actual first hand account of Cyrus exact birth date, dipshit. Its not a hard request to follow.

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>>3364702
>You're getting reported.
Yeah you go ahead and keep doing that.

>>3364712

There is no source that has him born later than 580. None. Period. That's the latest he could have been born.

>>3364691
Not him but there is literally no consensus or verified date on Cyrus actual birth. That's why almost all sources list it as "circa" 6th century and it ranges wildly between 600 BC to 570 BC. We only really know about Cyrus II's existence when he took over the Persian Revolt after Cambyses I, his father, died early on during the start against Cyrus's maternal grandfather.

And even then our main accounts come from Greek sources who conflate dates, names, and locations in Mesopotamia and Iran proper at times that makes it muddier. Hell Xenophon claims there were hundreds of thousands of Persians siding with Cyrus and those numbers are quite frankly impossible. Then there's the fact while we know when Cyrus died, we don't know how as the Greeks can't even agree on that.

>>3364733
There is no source that even states his birth year period. None. Whatsoever, not a single one exists. Nothing is given or written when Cyrus was born ever, so stop trying to ride a high horse on your bullshit as if its guaranteed fact.

>>3364735

Look you daft motherfucker we know for a fact he became king of Persia in 559. I think it's safe to assume he wasn't 10 years old at the time

>>3364753
Look you inbred mother fucker. No one is doubting when he became King, because he took over because his dad was killed in battle during the fucking Persian Revolt while it was still happening, the matter of contention is when he was born in which THERE ARE NO FUCKING VERIFIED OR ATTESTED FIRST HAND SOURCES, period.

>>3364761

>YOU CAN'T KNO NUFFIN

Lel neck yourself senpai. All serious scholarship has him between 20-40 when he becomes king

>>3364776
>YOU CAN'T PROVE NUFFIN
Lel neck yourself kouhai. All serious scholarship has nothing verified on his birth year, nigger.

>>3364776
Most sources again just say its circa late 6th century. And for all we know he could've been 10-15 when he took over during the Persian Revolt, Persians were still semi-nomadic pastoralists on the Iranian plateau during Darius I's time, modern scholarship as recognized Persepolis as being a "tented city" with the majority of buildings not even being properly roofed. In Cyrus time decades earlier, why would it be surprising that a teenager whose already famous in his tribe would take over for his father?

Yadzgerd III took the throne for the Sassanian dynasty when he was 12-13 years old. So its not singular issue either unknown to the Persians.

>>3364786

Between 600 and 580. Deal with it you literal fucking autist.

Alexander became king at 20. That's a fucking fact

>>3364798
Also for further consistency just to draw further parallels between the Achaemenids and Sassanians, both Persians, both Persian dynasties from Pars/Fars, Shapur II reached legal "adulthood" at age 15 when he no longer needed regents to help him rule.

>>3364800
No one here is talking about when Alexander became a king though. And again, not that anon but date of birth can vary as there is no singular consensus or academic acceptance in Near Eastern history or Iranian history when Cyrus exact date of birth is known but he certainly was not 70 when he died.

>>3364800
Between 598 BC and 576 BC, fuck head, you literal asperger defective brainlet. Also even this guy >>3364803
>>3364798 has it.For all we know Cyrus was 15 when he took over for Cambyses I so suck my dick, you have zero fucking evidence about his date of birth so fuck off, mongoloid.

>>3364805

Nice source faggot

You are salty as fuck senpai. You can't provide one shred of evidence for anything but everyone else is a retard.

Cyrus died an old man by any standard. He lived an easier life and enjoyed a comfortable reign. Nothing to be ashamed of

>>3364800
but no one is talking about alexander here anymore, we're talking about when cyrus the great was born and died

and he was likely in his late 40s or early 50s so yeah while he was likely in his late teens to early 20s when he became king how does that equate to being over 70 when he died in 530 BC? because i'm pretty sure nomadic people don't have the same sort of natural longevity as urban settled people do and ontop of that how would the idea of persian invincibility be shattered to the world if the persian king was killed in battle who founded the empire which makes no sense

so nah nigga cyrus might been in his 40-50s when he died (however the fuck it happened) but trying to push him being born in 600 BC/being 70 is straight bullshit

>>3364819
>Nice source faggot
You have no primary sources or first hand ones for Cyrus' birth, so nice non-argument, faggot.

>You are salty as fuck senpai.
You are salty as fuck kouhai.
>Cyrus died an old man.
Anyone who died past their 30s was an old man by that time period's standards you mongrel.
>He lived an easier life.
Wrong.
>comfortable reign
Every single academic who specializes on Iranian history or Near Eastern history in general would laugh at your claim here.
>Nothing to be ashamed of.
Cyrus has nothing to be ashamed of, he created the greatest empire in Antiquity, you cuck.

>>3364819
>Cyrus died an old man by any standard. He lived an easier life
Cyrus was constantly at war with various hostile tribes, nomadic raiders, and other empires (Lydians, Egyptians, Babylonians), how exactly is that a comfortable life? By what standards are you judging this to be easy or comfortable? He came from a modest background and upbringing despite having royal blood, his own grandfather repeatedly tried to have him assassinated, his father was killed in battle before him, and he never had any extended periods of peace to truly enjoy the comforts of his gains.

You can draw parallels also between Cyrus and Napoleon or Julius Caesar. All are men who were vaunted for their political ability and militaristic talents but never really got to enjoy their power in peace; Napoleon was constantly fighting reactionary/defensive wars against aggressors just like Cyrus was against his rivals; the Lydian Empire, Babylonian Empire, and Egyptian Kingdom.

Its really really a huge stretch to say he had a comfortable life.

>>3364820

Nigger nobody said over 70, 70 is as old as he could have been at death

>>3364854
Nigger, stop arguing semantics. There is fucking way he was 70 either so stop fronting and fuck off. At most Cyrus around his early 50s when he died and the original argument was over him being 70 so quit your pedantic bullshit.

>>3364857
*no fucking way

>>3364830
>>3364842

CDIF out in full force

>greatest empire in the ancient world
>conquered in 5 years

>>3364857

Nice reading comprehension jackass.

>>3364140

This is where the argument started

>>3364873
Nice reading comprehension retard. Your claim he was 70 is factually wrong.

>>3364866
>CDIF
What?

>any empire
>lasting "x" years when stagnant and under a weak ruler

>>3364215
Of course, you're degenerate.

>>3363004
>Carthage
>western

Carthaginian empire was located in Tunisia, Algeria, Sardinia, Sicily and South Iberia, all west of Greece