Why did young men from late 19th century & early 20th century

>>3357485
higher testosterone.

modern men are spiked with estrogen from shitty diets, resultling in low testosterone = feminine look

Work

>>3357485
Life was much harder

>>3357489
this is the correct answer

estrogen in the water

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This is a 18-year-old man.

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>>3357485
Also the fact that people do not start smoking at a super early age anymore.

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Lenin at 17 years old...

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>>3357653
...and Lenin at 25

>JUST

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>>3357660
Lenin at 147

>>3357653
>>3357660
is his cranium pathologically large?

>>3357685
>wake me up when the Soviet Union comes back, tovarich

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>>3357660
>>3357685
Lenin now

>>3357489
Give me a fucking break, you're telling me the average diet of someone in the early 20th century is better than the average diet today? I don't think so, its just a confirmation bias that you think young men in the past looked more masculine.

>>3357689
two intelligent for capitalism

Old was in. Younger people wanted to look older and mature s that what was desired in society.

Now we have older wanting to act younger.

Men can be found on the street with light amounts of makeup on.

>>3358026
>>3358026
>Give me a fucking break, you're telling me the average diet of someone in the early 20th century is better than the average diet today?
the food was much healthier and less processed.

>>3359845
No it wasn't. It was more processed. It was salt beef and canned food and frozen + shipped fish by rail if you lived any distance from the coast. The early 20th century isn't the fucking early 17th century, industrialization happened and modern food processing techniques happened and yes people did consume these 'processed foods'. In fact it was worse because they didn't know 'processed foods' were 'bad for you' - they saw it as wonderful magic tins and mystical preservative salts that kept food shelf stable for months. They had processed foods and less standards for good manufacturing processes and no concept of modern germ theory so outbreaks of shit like botulism were common, as happened with California black olives in 1919. People put shit like crushed up rocks in preground black pepper and crushed up chalk or plaster of paris or god forbid alum in bread flour. They had no concept of nutrition entirely. They were eating fifty pounds of sugar a year on average which isn't far under what we eat today. They ate about 175-200lbs of meat a year even for the poor sectors of the populace and much of that meat wasn't the best. It was exactly the processed meat that the IARC now says causes cancer, coupled with off cuts of aging fresh meat and offal. This whole "fresh diet and fresh living" thing is a product of the 1960s-70s when HFCS and the drive thru and frozen foods became big parts of American culture, with organic gardening and permaculture fielded as a reaction. Nobody gave a fuck in the 1910s. Not if you were urban poor. And well, if you were rich, you'd always make sure you ate the best anyway. Everyone smoked. The average lifespan was about fifty, improving to sixty by 1920 and sixty three by 1945. Fad diets like ingesting tapeworm eggs were not uncommon.

The diet was only healthier if you were out in the fields and hunting/processing your own meat. But your diet is healthier today if you're growing and hunting your own food.

>>3359913
They also ate margarine instead of butter from the late 19th century onward.

>>3357489
Estrogen is in the water you know. The women piss out their birth control and we drink it.

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>>3360039
Why is this allowed?

I actually thought they looked much younger than their age compared to now. I remember a photo of the Canadian Pacific Railway with a 17 year old in it who looked like he had barely hit puberty.

>>3360059
Because it doesn't have a directly noticeable effect

>>3360072
except testosterone and sperm count going lower each year.

>>3360066
People tended to hit puberty later because of less childhood nutrition

>>3360085
>going lower each year
Exactly, it's gradual and not direct. If it would happen over night, it would be much more noticeable.

>>3357485
Facial hair/hairstyle
Also the fact that most wore suits

>>3359913
Don't know about the us but people did eat way better where I'm from, bought everything in markets,butcher shops,bakeries etc.. local shop with good organic food, even in big cities.

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>>3357701
That gopnik...

>>3357485
They worked 12 hours per day and their lives were harsh and shitty.

>>3357653
>>3357660
Lenin was pretty damn smart so it's ironic he looks like a literal Down's syndrome retard with FAS on top of it. I think it might have been his Mongoloid heritage (his father was a russified Kalmyk or Chuvash).

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>>3357653
>>3357660
worst 17 to 25 yo transformation I've ever seen in my life

>>3357485
Alcohol

Could be worse, it could be like the lead pipes in Roman cities that made everyone violent and retarded.

>this statement only applies to cities outside the United States, because there is a lot of fucking lead in American water supplies, more than half the country.

>>3360039
Is this real, or is it a "those sluts and their birth control rrreeeeeee make roasties property again" meme?

>>3360039
I cum in the toilet so it evens out, right?

>>3361490
It's real but scientists are more worried about the fish

>>3358066
Underrated post

>>3360116
No

>>3363913
Mustard gas inhalation during WWI.

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>>3357485
It's an illusion caused by modern adults acting immature and dressing like 1980s teenagers.

Up to the 1960s wearing a suit was the norm, people had manners, spoke in polite terms, and faced much more hardships which made them mature mentally early on.

So it's an attitude and psychological effect. The same person transported into the 1920s would look much "older" just because of their clothes and setting.

Take this 1920s wedding recreation for example. If you change his suit for a tshirt and jeans, her dress for yoga pants and a low cut top, and give both modern haircuts they would look at least 5 years younger.

>>3363696
Don't cut your hair like that.

>>3357485
>>3357489
Do you have any proof for this? When I see pictures of men in old times and men in modern times, the latter seem stronger-jawed and bigger in general. Plus height has increased.

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>>3363994
Here is another example.

Kirsten Dunst in The Cat's Meow, where she plays a 1920s high society lady.

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>>3364030
And here is Kirsten Dunst in 2001 (the year this movie was filmed) but out of character and sporting a modern haircut and clothing.

My theory:
1) Harder life. Look at today's homeless children / orhpans living on their own or young criminals to compare.
2) Different photo technology. The silver oxide film would capture not the common luminance, but only its blue component. As a result people either had darker faces or more evenly lit faces than usual because they used powder in staged photo portraits.
3) Genetic degradation. Peoples faces have been growing weaker and more degenerate in their looks after the invention of the antibiotics. Don't forget that more than two thirds of us are actually walking deadman's genes and weren't supposed to make it through the childhood.
4) I don't know if it's estrogen, or the genes, but brits do have strangely unnatural faces sometimes. I don't remember seeing that in any of the old photos.

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>>3357489
>>3364024
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sperm-count-dropping-in-western-world/

https://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/%7Bac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a%7D/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed

Height is irrelevant.

>>3363696
>cute
You look like a lesbian, wtf are you talking about

>>3357685
>tfw to smart to capitalism

>>3363972
probably no real reason
it's probably a big reason for having so much influence

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>>3360039
>>3357489
>>3365175
>being this much in denial
The real problem is that you just can't let go of your Big Mac(tm), John.
https://www.nebido.com/obesity-is-strongly-linked-to-low-testosterone-levels-in-men

>>3365708
that doesn't change what I said >>3357489
>>3365175

shitty diet and lack of training is what made western men into fuccbois

>>3357489
Not shitty diets, but due to estrogens from plasticizers and drinking water that are practically unavoidable if you live in a city.

>>3365711
You're right, I confused you with the others.

>>3365719
You on the other hand, is still in denial.

>>3365708
Dude, YOU'RE the one in denial. It's common knowledge that test has been dropping the past 50 years... we're constantly bathed in chemicals and radiation. Obesity is just the tip of the iceberg.

>>3365731
>i look like a faggot so it must be because someone is putting chemichals in my water supply n shiiet!

>>3365175

>perfect precondition for a trap

>>3357485
Because they worked hard labour all their fucking life and sustained themselves off hardier foods

>>3366858
It isn't really, they're just fat guys with mantits and small cocks.

>>3357485
Tons of factors ranging from less sleep, less cholesterol in the diet, plastics in the water, pesticides in food and water, more fatties (sub cutaneus fat literally turns testosterone into estrogen). All these either up your estrogen levels or lower your testosterone levels. Its a real problem and for some reason barely anything is getting done about it.

>>3357485
Lots of reasons:
>nobody who worked outside used sunscreen, meaning more skin disease & wrinkles
>facial hair was more popular
>lower obesity rates meant that fewer men had round faces
>people usually wore formal wear and didn't smile in old photos, meaning that they'd look more serious and mature
>old flash bulbs were bright, which meant harsher lights & shadows in the photos, which was more obvious with B&W film
>higher prevalence of smoking and drinking at younger ages

>>3365729
>it's just a matter of diet, goy
nice try

>>3357485
Imo modern youth looks older af desu

I continuosly see high school kids who look like 35

No idea what the fuck are they feed nowadays

>>3371125
Photography was a lot less consistent back then.

>>3372898
We are gonna have to see pics to confirm.

>>3372890
>cause girls to get periods younger and younger
Yeah, kids nowadays have a huge amount more triglycerides than years ago, causes all kinds of hormonal changes.

>>3372890
I remember talking to one of my EMT friends about that. Said when he started back in the late 80s, girls were getting their periods at about 13-15, now it was closer to 11-12. Fifty years before, it was closer to 16-17.

I'm sure it has to do with one of the hormones/antibiotics/steroids/whatever that's used in farming animals, but I don't know much about it, I just figured I'd let someone else sort it out so I can have my kids avoid it when I finally have some.

>>3376200
>if my mother had married someone else I would be...
False. You would just be dead because you had never been born.

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>>3365156
Concerning number 4, a large majority of lower-class British people have always been relatively ugly compared to the upper class or their continental equivelants. it's just nowadays more of these people have much more access to photographic technology, and thus it's more visible to outsiders.

t. Brit.

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>>3376135
>>3376200
>>3376214
What the fuck is this?