I have to present a class about american civil war tomorrow. Any tips?

Remember that history is not black and white, the civil war was one the most ethically complicated conflicts in history. Slavery is a terrible sin, but its easy for us to say that in hindsight.

Also Robert E. Lee did nothing wrong. Sherman was the most dickish general in the whole war, should've been shot afterwards.

>>3351262
Do your own homework

>>3351278
Shoot yourself dixieboo faggot "south dindu nuffin" "war of northern aggression" faggot

>>3351278
>Slavery is a terrible sin, but its easy for us to say that in hindsight.
Relatively, American slavery was probably one of the most humanitarian forms of slavery ever. Compare it to West African slavery, where men were forcefully castrated and women had their clits cut off so they wouldn't enjoy the frequent raping of them, forced to march salt through the desert until they collapsed.

In comparison picking cotton and getting sufficient food seems like some sort of dream world.

>>3351298
holy shit, I knew niggers were savage, but I didn't think they would have been that savage

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>>3351309
>I knew niggers were savage, but I didn't think they would have been that savage

Arabs actually

>>3351278
history overall is not black and white, but shit like the civil war and WW2 certainly is. If you unironically think the Confederacy and Third Reich were not evil and wrong you need to kys yourself.

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>>3351309
Thst wasn't niggers, that was their Arab slavemasters. The quran essentially justified this by declaring they were all kaffir, meaning they were, in their eyes, not deserving of any rights. This was the case in Morocco and Mali, but in the 19th century the muslims moved South.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fula_jihads

>>3351262
Stay with the basics:

-- The legal question over which it was fought was simply: "Does a state have the right to secede?" In this, the South had a plausible position.

-- No one ever raised that question until fear came to the surface that slavery might eventually be abolished by the federal government, or sooner, that it would be kept out of new western territories so that slave states would be a minority in the Senate. It never would have happened without slavery.

-- Most of the guys who fought for the South owned no slaves, and had no stake in the slave-based economy. The state governments were controlled by the big financial interests, as they are today. The public in the South was largely deluded, as most people in most times are, especially those who go off to war.

Just rant about Mosbys Confederacy for half an hour

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>>3351366
Had the Mexican territories been created as slave states what would have happened? Would the civil war still have happened? Would it happen later? Would the Northern states have seceded instead?

>>3351366
>-- Most of the guys who fought for the South owned no slaves, and had no stake in the slave-based economy.
Bullshit. Virtually everybody was employed by slave bolstered industry in some form or another. Even though they didn't legally own the slaves, they were still employed as overseers, managers, and support staff. Any white southerner, no matter how down on his luck, could grab his gun and take a job with one of the local anti-slave militias, whose job was just to capture and return runaways and tyrannize local slaves into compliance (slavery only really works when its victims are kept illiterate and in the state of continuous terror).

They called it "King Cotton" because of how thoroughly it dominated the southern economy, and acted as a race-based welfare state keeping whites off the bottom rungs of society. Tiny number of legal slaveowners only reflects just how stratified Southern culture has become.

>>3351262
Just go with the flow, better to just parrot the usual talking points unless you want to come off as a sperg with a tiki torch.

>>3351331

They were bad but know their motives and reasoning for doing what they did allows people to more rationalize and see them an people rather than just generic evil villan. Of course they were evil but everyone has their motives to act on something and some people may justify what they did due their circumstances.

>>3351262
Make sure the tell reason of war was slavery not muh ``state rights``

>>3351298
Literally the inverse, one of the most savage institutions of slavery.

>Le Castration of slaves maymay :-^)
Same shit said about Vikings, same scattered reports mostly of people drumming up disdain\hatred.

Obviously some civilizations had eunuchs but those aren't field slaves\construction slaves\war slaves, they're a really distinct kind of slave.

>>3351591
>this is what anti white cucks are brainwashed into believing
Bet you voted for Hillary and Obama

>>3351609
>their Constitution forbade explicitly any state from ever abolishing slavery
"H-hah, c-clearly about s-states r-rightssss, cuuuuck."

>>3351619
>the anti white cuck can't even form a proper sentence
Why are nigger worshipping leftists so stupid?

>>3351605
>apologizing for slavekeepers simply because they were arab
THIS is how I know I'm on /r/his.

>>3351605
>Arab slave trade didn't routinely castrate all male slaves
Nigger, are you serious?
Where did all the black slave babies go then?
Because they aren't in Saudi Arabia.

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>>3351278
This. Ignore the Shermaboos and remember that the civil war was not only fought over slavery, but also long standing sectional tensions that date back to arguments over the Articles of Confederation and the Jeffersonian vs Federalist divide.

Remember that the North actually tried to get through South to rejoin the Union by offering to make slavery protected under the Constitution via the Corwin Amendment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwin_Amendment

Also, remember that states right, independence, AND slavery were the main factors for secession as you can read in Cornerstone Speech and the Declarations of secession. After all of that you should then high light the racial egalitarianism vs hardcore racialism of the North and South as a factor of the war as well, while keeping in mind the working conditions of the lower classes in either section of the country.

>>3351619
>Confederacy wasn't about states rights just because they had one federal mandate
You haven't read their Constitution have you? Like I keep having to say, it was still a Confederacy with a federal government, just a more limited one. We aren't talking about Anarcho Capitalism ffs

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>>3351609

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>>3351715
>When you make a map citing the declarations of secession forgetting that they were hastily drafted , and that each State tacitly supported the causes of every other state
>Therefore each state seceded over states rights, Anti-Federalists, slavery, and racialism
>Implying the North was anti-racialist except for a radical minority of abolitionists
Sure thing kid

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OP here. Thanks for all the answers. Do you guys also have a short video (less than four minutes) that I can show?

>inb4 just search on yt you lazy faggot
>inb4 just neck yourself, you don't deserve to live anyway
>inb4 just end your sad, pathetic existence. No one will miss you anyway

Yeah, but, can you guys can recommend something? This isn't a regular presentation.

>>3351732
just search on yt you lazy faggot

>>3351625
Holy shit, settle down dude, you sound ridiculous. If you have a counter argument to make regarding his point, make it rationally and backed with sources. Your argument doesn't sound any more compelling just because you think it's funny to call someone a cuck. This isn't /pol/ and this isn't The_Donald, nobody cares if you're getting triggered outside of your safe space

Contrary to the proper terminology for a black person during this time, don't refer to them as Nigger(s).

Don't worry about anything else, you're golden as long as you don't do that.

>>3351726
>Mississippi
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_missec.asp

>georgia
For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_geosec.asp

>texas
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_texsec.asp

>Alexander H. Stephens vice president of confedrancy

Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition. [Applause.] This, our new Government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.

https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1861stephens.asp

Little bit research can go long way.

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>>3351760
>Little bit of research
Is not as good as a lot of research
South Carolina
> And now the State of South Carolina having resumed her separate and equal place among nations, deems it due to herself, to the remaining United States of America, and to the nations of the world, that she should declare the immediate causes which have led to this act.
In the year 1765, that portion of the British Empire embracing Great Britain, undertook to make laws for the government of that portion composed of the thirteen American Colonies. A struggle for the right of self-government ensued, which resulted, on the 4th of July, 1776, in a Declaration, by the Colonies, "that they are, and of right ought to be, FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES; and that, as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent States may of right do."

Also

>In pursuance of this Declaration of Independence, each of the thirteen States proceeded to exercise its separate sovereignty; adopted for itself a Constitution, and appointed officers for the administration of government in all its departments-- Legislative, Executive and Judicial. For purposes of defense, they united their arms and their counsels; and, in 1778, they entered into a League known as the Articles of Confederation, whereby they agreed to entrust the administration of their external relations to a common agent, known as the Congress of the United States, expressly declaring, in the first Article "that each State retains its sovereignty, freedom and independence, and every power, jurisdiction and right which is not, by this Confederation, expressly delegated to the United States in Congress assembled."

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>>3351801
Remember that bit when I said that many of the articles we're hastily drafted? This one wasn't, and as I said each state tacitly supported the rights and complaints of the other. All of the states seceded on the grounds of being pro-slavery, Anti-Federalism, pro-southern independence, and anti-racial egalitarianism. There were many more factors than just slavery that prodded the civil war forward, economic, cultural, philosophical, etc.

You can read all about it if you want

>>3351262
Just turn on the Ken Burns doc for them and go get coffee and cigs.

>>3351801
He brought a shitload of quotes, you have one. Who's the one doing a "little bit" of research?

South Carolina was an outlier among the confederate states for its defense of states rights. It ended up biting the confederacy in the ass when Lee's Virginians were dying of exposure and the governor of Virginia held on to the 20,000+ uniforms he was hording because they were "his" state's property and he didn't want to part with them

http://www.civilwarcauses.org/quotes.htm

>>3351427

Slavery was only protected by the equal balance of Slave/Free states in the Senate. The house was solidly controlled by Free states since before 1840. Without an equal number of slave/free states, Congress can simply vote to abolish slavery. The Free States would not feel a need to secede, since they controlled most of government.

California was already admitted into the Union before the Civil war, so you would end up with 3 new slave states (Arizona, New Mexico, Oklahoma, and a dozen free states. The slave states could play fucky games, such has not allowing states to join the union, creating micro states to pad their number of senate seats, or the extreme case is to annex Mexico so they could incorporate all of Mexico to become slave states.

>>3351825
Meant to say governor or south carolina

>>3351715
Tennessee, that cheeky motherfucker

>>3351262
Tell them they were fascist like nazi germany

>>3351825
>Who's the one doing a "little bit" of research?
Him, and you, if he (or you) thinks the civil war can be boiled down to a single cause. All he did was go to a website full of the declarations of secession and ctr+ f slavery, then copy pasta'd. That doesn't take much work.

Here are quotes from the posthumously dubbed "cornerstone speech"

On independence
>These differences of opinion were more in reference to policy than principle, and as Mr. Jefferson said in his inaugural, in 1801, after the heated contest preceding his election, that there might be differences of opinion without differences on principle, and that all, to some extent, had been Federalists and all Republicans; so it may now be said of us, that whatever differences of opinion as to the best policy in having a co-operation with our border sister slave States, if the worst came to the worst, that as we were all co-operationists, we are now all for independence, whether they come or not.

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>>3351732

The War of Rights trailer. Kids love video games and this one's in testing right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qjT-tX88gY

>>3351855
On war
>Our object is peace, not only with the North, but with the world. All matters relating to the public property, public liabilities of the Union when we were members of it, we are ready and willing to adjust and settle upon the principles of right, equity, and good faith. War can be of no more benefit to the North than to us. Whether the intention of evacuating Fort Sumter is to be received as an evidence of a desire for a peaceful solution of our difficulties with the United States, or the result of necessity, I will not undertake to say. I would feign hope the former. Rumors are afloat, however, that it is the result of necessity. All I can say to you, therefore, on that point is, keep your armor bright and your powder dry.

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>>3351853

>fascist
>by violently opposing centralized government and explicitly advocating a decentralized form of government

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>>3351871
But they were both the bad guys

>>3351864
On anti-federalism and states rights
>The true principle is to subject the commerce of every locality, to whatever burdens may be necessary to facilitate it. If Charleston harbor needs improvement, let the commerce of Charleston bear the burden. If the mouth of the Savannah river has to be cleared out, let the sea-going navigation which is benefited by it, bear the burden. So with the mouths of the Alabama and Mississippi river. Just as the products of the interior, our cotton, wheat, corn, and other articles, have to bear the necessary rates of freight over our railroads to reach the seas. This is again the broad principle of perfect equality and justice, and it is especially set forth and established in our new constitution.

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>>3351881

>bad guys
>by defending themselves from an invader that sought to plunder their country of everything not nailed to the ground, and burning everything that was nailed to the ground

>>3351893
And THEN on racial egalitarianism
>
Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth

Was it a heavily racialist society? Yes. Was the Civil War fought only over slavery? Objectively, no. That doesn't mean slavery wasn't an integral part of the conflict, but it wasn't the only part of the conflict.

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>>3351830

This

Use this meme too

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>>3351732

Stonewall Jackson's speeches in Gods and Generals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnNWtDRrHrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29HFaG9aOqo

Joshua L. Chamberlain's speeches in Gods and Generals and Gettysburg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZi2LQBPD7I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2d2_zeJTJcw

Prisoner of War scene from Gettysburg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dDpwZegm60

Winfield Scott Hancock realizing that his friend Lewis Armistead is on the other side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnvL57KskYQ

Or if you want to shock the audience with good ol' fashioned violence

Battle of the Crater sequence from Cold Mountain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5fbYJMEyes

Battle of Fort Wagner final charge from Glory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz3sZiVAO0k

>>3351331
>kys yourself
>kill yourself yourself

what did he mean by this?

>>3351732
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy6g6eDQTfU

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>>3352051

>asks for a Civil War video
>posts completely unrelated Neo-Nazi propaganda

You stormniggers will do anything to shill you stupid agenda won't you?

>>3351262
Get your information from reading an actual book not shitposters on /his/ warping history to fit into their modern ideologies

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>>3351856
It's not for kids.
>>3351973
Thanks Anon. That'll be really helpful.
>>3352051
That made me chuckle. Thanks.

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>>3352128

Include this pic in your presentation for no reason

>>3351715
>Arkansas
wtf? What reason did they give then?

>>3352128
the part where Armistead talks to the british officer guy before Pickett's charge is also quite nice, haven't been able to find a youtube video of it though

>>3352149

There was one up but it got taken down because copyright

>>3352159
in any case downloading gettysurg and playing a few select scenes instead of youtube might be better

>>3352142
They supported the right of a state to secede, even if they thought it was stupid. They only actually seceded after fort sumpter, even then it was a close run thing, most of the powers that he wanted to just sit the whole thing out.

>>3351262
1. Bring up the Cornerstone Speech of Alexander Stephens to show that North opposed slavery and secession not for moral reasons but power. Refer to last few paragraphs.
http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/cornerstone-speech/

2. Bring up how slavery was indeed protected under the US Constitution and the North was in the wrong but the 13th amendment made it moot anyway.
3. Bring up arguments for slavery to understand why it persisted enough to want to secede over, things such as life expectancy increase for blacks and an decrease after being freed, how well fed they were, how they never had to look for work or worry about money or beg on the streets and how slave labor had great output than northern free labor.
4. Especially bring up how a bunch of them died not long after being freed cause the North gave zero fucks about them and opposed slavery and secession out of jealousy of slavery.
5. The North abolished slavery in their states cause they can't grow cash crops that warrant slave labor and had most immigrants anyway. 6. The North were also hypocrites on slavery and secession.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_and_States%27_Rights
7. And note the differences between the US and Confederate Constitutions, especially the non-slavery ideas about government and fiscal/tax policy that show there was technically more to it than just slavery.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_Constitution

>>3353407
additional links
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jun/16/slavery-starvation-civil-war
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/10/15/slavery-myths-life-expectancy/
http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2012/09/16/free-labor-vs-slave-labor/

>>3352083
>When he is such an anti-dialogical shitlib that he misses the joke completely
Wew lad

>>3351502
>Virtually everybody was employed by slave bolstered industry in some form or another.

"virtually everybody"?

So, when the war ended, and slaves became simply cheap "free" labor, did all these people become unemployed?

Only the owners were heavily invested in the advantage of slave over "free" labor. It helped their margins a bit. Otherwise, the South just went on growing cotton, tobacco, and sugar cane as before.

don't judge civil war figures by modern standards.

the north didn't fight to free the slaves. they fought to maintain the USA's federal dominance over the CSA states.

the emancipation proclimation did not free the slaves. it was propaganda and meant to tie up more southern man power in going after escaping slaves.

Abraham Lincoln shat all over the Constitution.

Lincoln would have allowed slavery to continue to get end the war.

the 13th amendment was done to keep another war from popping up later.

the 14th amendment was not ratified in a constitutional matter.

reconstruction was a failure. the occupation and military governments were unconstitutional. everything done during it to punish white southerners caused back lash in the form of racism and violence against blacks. Which has continued to this day.

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>>3351262

Bring up about how Phillip Sheridan and Sherman are pieces of shit for what they did to the Indians.

Sheridan is the originator of the formula "The only good X is a dead X".