China and Japan

This is because Japan has a head start, they started right after 1945. While Korea had to finish the korean war in the 50s . Likewise vietnam and China did not open up economically till the late 70s.

Tell me about mainland China's cultural exports between communists winning the civil war and now.

>>3345637
What I'm talking about really started before the 20th century, though. And really, a 10 year head start would not explain the difference in household terms that come from Japanese with the ones that come from Korea.

>>3345640
>ask a question, get randomly called a shill
Classy.

>>3345642
Who cares? I'm talking about how you can go anywhere from Estonia to Argentina and kids over there will recognize the Yin Yang symbol or be familiar with Xiaolin monks, or how many people will be able to tell you their Chinese zodiac in those same places, not about how popular a mainland Chinese TV series produced in the last decade does overseas.

>>3345675

The thing about cultural exports is that it is hard to quantify. Would China exporting of Confucianism over the centuries be equal to Japan's export of anime and Korea's export of K pop? I think sticking by GDP per capita adjusted by PPP is a better way to see how the country is doing compared to others.

>>3345697
But that's the thing. Anime and K-pop are obviously huge current cultural exports that are making Japanese and Korean culture respectively more well-known all around the world.

But leaving anime aside, Japanese cultural exports go way beyond that, from before anime became a thing. Everyone knows what ninja and samurai are, even if their conception of those concepts are hilariously historically inaccurate. A katana is recognized by name everywhere in the world. Waves created by earthquakes are called 'tsunamis'. The list goes on.

Can you tell me what the Korean word for 'sword' is before looking it up? Hell, can you tell me what the Korean or Vietnamese words for 'hello' or 'thank you' are, without looking them up? (This is, assuming you haven't actually studied the languages, of course).

>>3345609
My theory: Japan westernised earlier than Vietnam and Korea and thus gained recognition from the west. Cameras started to become widespread around the same time (late 19th century) and since countries like South Korea rejected Western influence perceptions of Asian culture became defined by pictures/foreigners visiting westernised Japan/China and has not really changed since.

My opinion is that no single culture is objectively 'superior' than others. Korean and Vietnamese cultures are unique in their own right, people brushing them off as Japanese/Chinese copycats usually don't know much about said cultures.

They're capitalist and work hard as hell to make products sell. It's basically their culture senpai.

>>3345780
That's a sound theory, although in that case you would think the currently westernized Korea (and to a lesser extent, Vietnam, which was isolated until quite recently) would have been able to expand their cultural outreach to some extent beyond their modern pop culture in the last half century, so I can't help but believe there's more to the issue at hand.

At no point have I assumed Korean or Vietnamese culture is 'inferior' in any way. In fact, what got me thinking about this is my fondness of Vietnamese culture compared to its relative obscurity.

>>3345797
Again, I'm not really talking about the current products they sell, be it entertainment or manufactured goods. I'm talking about how well they have been able to expose their traditional culture to the world.

>>3345735
Well wait a minute, there ARE some Korean and Vietnamese cultural exports.

Kimchi is basically Korean sauerkraut, and is fairly popular in the US now. Sriracha sauce is from Vietnam and that's so popular now that Lays makes a Sriracha-flavored potato chip.

Mr. Nguyen in Hey Arnold was Vietnamese.

>>3345850
I never said that Korean or Vietnamese cultural exports were non-existent, only that their volume and popularity was quite behind those of Japan or China.

You will notice how I have refrained from mentioning food so far, because that's a very different matter entirely. If you want to bring up Vietnamese or Korean food, you also have to bring up the fact that Chinese food is an staple onto itself, and that Japanese foods such as Sushi, Tempura, Ramen, Teriyaki, etc. are household terms.

And having a Vietnamese character in a cartoon is hardly what I'm talking about.

>>3345850
Compare one Vietnamese character in an otherwise fully American show vs the many shows directly based on Japanese or Chinese culture, like Avatar or Samurai Jack.

What do people know about China beside fast food, Mao, ming vases, the chinese zodiac and one taoist symbol? Buddhism isn't exclusively chinese. Tibet was annexed, but it is not chinese. Nobody has read Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Journey to The West, they probably don't even know of them. What are some chinese words that have become universal, how common are they? If you asked fifteen years ago, no one could've named a single chinese brand. They still can't name even one chinese emperor. Westerners do not obsess over chinese swords or fashion, or listen to chinese music. Those porcelain tea sets were popular in 18th century, not now.

The way I see it Japan developed much like Europe in the way that they were at war with another for so long that war was commonplace and advanced, after Europe Japan quickly changed everything to adapt unlike every other Asian country that was being colonized and fucked. This to me is the reason Japan has been more quickly advancing than the rest, their quick judgment to change and adapt to survive.

>>3345637
This, and Japan is isolated from the mainland allowing some degree of autonomy instead of having to worry the 4000 year old behemoth meddling in internal politics or in vietnams case, invading.

>>3345609
Modern Korea cultural exports is almost as much as Japan, and definitely more relevant than China, unless you're talking about premodern history, by which only China really matters

>>3345609
Japan was the first eastern nation to modernize and join the west. That they are 100 years ahead of everyone over there (sans China) shouldn't surprise anyone when they modernized 100 years earlier than them. They also had the benefit of being literally rebuilt from ashes by the USA, added to the winning sphere of the cold war, and granted access to western markets for export.

People have always had a fascination with the east, and for a long, long time Japan was the only relevant east we could access (though Korea too, recently). The west is still in something of an adverse relationship with China (communists, etc) so it's not surprising interest in all things China has been slow to take off.

Though this question is really a long-form 'why is anime popular though?' which has more specific answers.

>>3345969
>What do people know about China
About current China? Probably only fearmongering.

About traditional China? People are generally very aware of the idea of China's millennial Empire and the aesthetics that come with it. It may not be something concrete like Sengoku Jidai Samurai, but that image is ingrained the the general culture probably better than Victoria Era England or the Roaring 20's, which are similarly romanticized periods.

>>3345969
It's better if people don't know. China must exist for the Chinese and Asia, not to satisfy media desires of young white and brown people.

>>3345969
>Buddhism isn't exclusively chinese.
Xiaolin monks and Kung Fu are, though.

>>3346015
>Modern Korea cultural exports is almost as much as Japan
Yet nobody knows jack about Korean mythology or history.

Korean pop culture is very popular among a certain demographic all over the world at this moment, but it doesn't really compare to the way Japan has been able to put their culture and history to the limelight (setting aside the popularity of anime).

>>3346028
Thanks, that's a very nice answer.

>Though this question is really a long-form 'why is anime popular though?'
It's really not, though. I know full well why anime is popular, and if anything, my question about it would be "why did 2D animation develop that way only in Japan?", though I know enough about the history of animation enough to make educated guesses.

>>3346234
Please kill yourself.

>>3345969
Stop projecting your ignorance and insecurity. China will be the number one rival of Western civilization. Deal with it.

>What do people know about China beside fast food, Mao, ming vases, the chinese zodiac and one taoist symbol?
Chopstick, architecture, calligraphy, philosophy, FengShui(I've heard Bill Gates believe it), panda, great wall, forbidden city...etc. Quite many I'd say. Besides, Weebs have to learn some Chinese(Kanji) in order to learn Japanese.

>What are some chinese words that have become universal, how common are they?
Example A: "China", a common name of porcelain ,no? Example B: "Silk", another common name which is direct translated from ancient Chinese thousands years ago.

>They still can't name even one chinese emperor
So you're saying nobody know Qin Shi Hung in the West? That one emperor White revisionists are so eager to claim his identity and terracotta army?

>Nobody has read Romance of the Three Kingdoms or Journey to The West, they probably don't even know of them.
Look at those Dynasty Warriors, and Monkey King in all those western Moba games. So precious.

>Westerners do not obsess over chinese swords or fashion
Modern QiPao is literally "reinvented" by Westerner. Besides, Westerner's favorite Katana has Chinese root.

>>3346378
None of that indicates China has a greater current cultural influence than its neighbors. Sure, you influenced your neighbors, and exported enough things to the west to have inklings of China all over the globe (Porcelain, etc). China will be number one rival of Western civilization? Maybe when you finally claw your way out of that Century of Humiliation, as it stands the tiny step-son off China off the coast has more cultural influence in the West than China does.

>>3346378
>I've heard Bill Gates believe it
Why would anyone care about that?

This is just like the Indians who claim that Germany used secret Sanskrit scriptures for their rocket science. Or Tamils that claim that there's Tamil writing in the Kremlin.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of Chinese culture, but I will never understand why people try to validate their ancient culture by saying "X smart/important person believes in it!".

I have no way of knowing whether Bill Gates "believes" in Feng Shui, but I'm more interesting on the question of why would anyone care if he does. Feng Shui is interesting by itself, without needing the meaningless and bogus validation of a billionaire computer nerd.

>>3346440
Not him, but which of China's neighbors has more cultural influence than China itself?

The only contenders I can think of are India and Russia, and you'd be hard pressed trying to argue in favor of them being more influential to global culture than China.

>>3346440
>None of that indicates China has a greater current cultural influence than its neighbors.
Yeah, except I never claim that.

>when you finally claw your way out of that Century of Humiliation
Yeah, we kinda did already. Deal with it

Your shitpost has been beated to death.

>>3346445
>Why would anyone care about that?
Well western media care about that. I've heard it first from your western medias.

>>3346457
Japan has more influence in the west than China at the moment. We can add up all the historical impact of China on the west, sure, but that doesn't really mean much in current century cultural trends/impacts.

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>>3346378
>Stop projecting your ignorance and insecurity. China will be the number one rival of Western civilization. Deal with it.
>

In the case of Korea, because their original culture was completely annihilated by Japan in the second world war. It's hard to be a cultural exporter when your culture is basically just Japan-lite these days.

>>3346378
.>>3346440
I forgot to mention Weeb's favorite "Kimono" also have Chinese root. Of course this still doesn't mean China has a greater current cultural influence than its neighbors. BUT our neighbors (such as Japan and Korea) are doing great jobs to promote them for us "indirectly". For this, I actually appreciate them.

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>>3346494
Its so impressive that even chinese are rediscovering their lost ancient kimono and ditching their "qing tainted" actual traditional culture
Really makes you think

>>3346490

Their entire culture is being fucked by bigger countries the culture they had was a rip off is China anyway

>>3346476
Western media can report the story of a woman getting offended by a tweet, that doesn't mean it is relevant in the slightest.

>your western medias
Why are you being this divisive? You act like you would be responsible for whatever bullshit were to appear in Chinese media, as if Chinese people were a unified block. China is very diverse, and so is the west.

>>3346477
Well, if you count Japan, then yeah. I wasn't counting Japan, given that there's no actual border between it and China. And more importantly, the overachivement of Japan is the subject at hand in this thread to begin with, so it's a little redundant to bring it up again.

>>3346490
Korea had been part of Japan for decades by the time of WWII though, so that's a little inaccurate. It mostly happened before and during WWI, and during the interwar period.

>>3346494
But Japanese culture is not Chinese. Sure, China influenced it greatly for centuries, but however many roots the Kimono has in Chinese culture, it is a Japanese thing and has been for centuries at this point. Trying to claim it is needlessly desperate when there's so much culture that's actually Chinese out there for the world to see.

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>>3346555
>we wuz wearing kimonos too before da qingz ruins us!
Pathetic

>>3345609

The Korean cultural powerhouse has been on-going for the last two decades now and it is pretty successful worldwide. Just because you're not the target demographic (or just plain ignorant of sub-cultures) doesn't mean they don't exist or are irrelevant.

Tae kwon Do is one of the most well known and practiced martial arts around the world.

Korean dramas are hugely popular around Asia and have gained considerable success in western demographics too. The same with K-pop (both boy and girl bands).

Technology wise there are many huge Korean companies on the world stage - Samsung should be the most obvious but many others abound.

OP is just ignorant.

>>3346638
You're assuming that I'm ignorant when you're completely missing the point of the thread, which I've stated repeatedly now.

K-pop and the like are very popular, sure, but that's Korean pop culture, not Korean tradition. They're basically the Korean version of American boy bands (and the female counterpart). They have nothing to do with Korea's X-year old history.

And technological exports have nothing to do with culture, you're just being retarded at this point. I'm using an LG phone at this very moment, and I drive a Hyundai car. That doesn't get me any closer to Korean culture in the slightest.

>>3345735
The answer you are looking for is Business.

>>3346886
>implying tradition isn't just pop culture 50 years ago
You're just being autistic because you don't understand that there is no clear cut distinction between tradition and pop culture except the passage of time.

>>3346886
>>K-pop and the like are very popular, sure, but that's Korean pop culture, not Korean tradition. They're basically the Korean version of American boy bands
You could say the same thing about Anime

>>3346908
Are you really this illiterate?

I'm talking about all the hundreds of years of Korean tradition and history that have happened before the modern pop culture from the last decade.

Are you saying that Korean culture started this millennium? Are you saying Korean culture is as shallow as a bunch of pretty boys singing shit songs and starring in bad TV shows?

>>3346923
Which is exactly why I never mentioned anime in the OP and why I've stated time and again that the popularity of anime isn't the subject of discussion. I'm talking about the popularity of other forms of Japanese culture, some of which took precedence in the West before anime even became a thing.

>>3346937
Out of curiosity, which forms of Japanese culture do you think had popularity before anime?

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>>3346949
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japonism

>>3346949
Anything that had to do with ninja and samurai. Bonsai trees and Japanese gardening in general. Japanese carpentry (and architecture to an extent). Bits of Japanese language that have become general knowledge, such as knowing that -san is (kind of) Japanese for "Mr." or that "arigatou" means "thank you" and that "sensei" means teacher. Origami and (to a lesser extent) Ikebana.

Not to mention gastronomy such as Sushi and Sake which were already becoming popular in the West before the turn of the 20th century (only to drop in popularity when Japan became "the enemy").

>>3346949
Nigga are you fucking for real? The entire artistic movement of Japonism, the works of Akira Kurosawa, both traditional and modern Japanese literature obtain widespread acclaim in the West, Western interest on the Samurai culture and pretty much everything from the Warring States Period for starters.

Also holy shot at the people still railing at OP for anime, read the God damn thread you morons

>>3345887
Ramen and tempura were intorduced form China and Portugal, repectively.

>>3347094
Ramen are Chinese noodles inside a broth. The basis might be Chinese but the dish itself is Japanese.

You are right with Tempura, although it is telling that the whole world, including the West, refers to Tempura with the Japanese name and relates it to Japan despite the dish starting right there in Europe.

>>3345609
No one in the West even knew about Japan before the 1600's.

Everyone knew about China since at least Roman times.

>>3345969
t. Retard

>>3346440
All the neighbors are literally cooy-paste versions of Tang China + modern technology.

>>3347197
Whatever it is its better than current china

>>3346234
>Having such a massive inferiority complex that people knowing about you somehow still makes you just a tool for western desire.

asian masculinity pls go.

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>>3347171
So...?

>>3347197
Actually, while Japan resembles the Tang dynasty a lot, Korea looks a lot more like the Song dynasty.

Tell me about Vietnam, /his/.

What were they up to before the French got there?

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>>3347023
>Warring States Period
>Japan

Half of Vietnam has only been Vietnamese for a couple hundred years. Most of Vietnam has been Vietnamese for less than a thousand. Vietnam has, during that time, also been near constantly fighting to secure its existence from outside conquest.

Japan and China have always been large regional, and more importantly, independent powers.

>>3345850
Sriracha sauce is Thai.

>>3347881
Being bullied by the Chinese.
Bullying the Cham and Khmer.

>>3347913
It's actually very funny.

-China has a Warring States Period.
-Japan copies the name for a similar period in their history, about 1.5 millennia later
-The Japanese version is just as known if not more.

-China has a Three Kingdoms Period.
-Korea copies the name for a similar period in their history, about three hundred years later
-Nobody knows about the Korean version.

Even the reason I learned about this myself was due to a Japanese comic set in a fictional version of the Korean Three Kingdoms period.

>>3347881
Various states of vassalage to the Chinese. Occasionally directly annexed during strong periods of the Chinese.

>>3347968
>>3347987
Is the history of Vietnam really just a constant shift between being dominated by the Chinese and conquering the South?

>>3348435
And French conquest. But yeah, that's pretty much it's whole history

>>3345780
The massive influence of China in Korean and Vietnamite culture is undeniable, though. Just like in Japanese culture.

>>3348435
Well that's the broad gist of the history of every nation bordering China, Korea and Vietnam particularly because they were kingdoms in their own right next to the giant. It certainly has it's own interesting history, but it is defined largely by it's neighbor. Probably have to find an East Asia expert to get a real rundown on it's nuance.

>>3345850
I've never heard a single one of this words except kimchi, and that one I know because my sister is a k-pop fan. Wouldn't be able to say what kimchi is if not provided a context. Even rednecks and niggers know what sushi is.

>>3346253
>I know full well why anime is popular, and if anything, my question about it would be "why did 2D animation develop that way only in Japan?", though I know enough about the history of animation enough to make educated guesses.
Not him but please explain

>>3347171
They """knew""" about China. And probably not everyone but a very select group. Even India, way closer and widely known, was kind of a distant magic land for classic era europeans (and even middle easteners).

>>3348509
>Well that's the broad gist of the history of every nation bordering China
Does it apply to anyone else other than Vietnam and Korea, though? (Leaving aside the "conquering the south" part for Korea, since their domination of the peninsula has stayed that way for a long time now barring Japanese invasions).

China's other neighbors, like East Turkestan, Tibet, Nepal, and other SEA nations aside from 'nam, may have had some influence from China but they never really became dominated by them until fairly recently (if at all), and as such their histories mostly developed independently. And northern steppe nomads rarely had a "kingdom" in order to be Chinese tributaries to begin with.

And then there's Japan, who got very influenced by China but was never really dominated by them. They made it very clear they wouldn't stay tributaries relatively early on in history, and China couldn't really project power over them effectively for obvious reasons.

>>3348435
They resisted the Yuan mongols, but this is basically part of being bullied by China anyways.

>>3348619
All the other nations, japan included, were helped a lot by geography. Japan, unlike Tibet, Burma or Central Asia, didn't have a second focus of high culture to use as base for it's own one. It's only natural that chinese influence is stronger and more evident.

Also it's false that central asia wasn't dominated by China until recently. The Tang even reconquered bits of Persia for the Sassanid dynasty for a very brief time.

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>>3345609
Because Korean and Vietnamese cultures are just Chinese 2.0.

Japan had a shyalamalamlan twist to their Sinophiliac episode.

>>3348619
SEA nations got routine invasions and tributary demands from China (often at the cost of entire armies to tropical conditions), but avoided direct annexations due to difficulty of control. Still, papa China riding over a hill to occasionally ruin your day must have been pretty annoying.

Japan you covered,

Korea and Nam were the premiere kingdoms to fight over. Korea collapsed at least one entire dynasty for their troubles (military over-commitment into the peninsula).

Mongolia/Xinjang/Turkestan was one long, eternal dance of China influencing and paying tribes to fight each other, and not unite and fuck them up. They still got fucked up on the regular-- Ghengis, Qing, Northern/Southern Dynasties, etc. Direct annexation sorta did heppen, but these areas weren't proper states to be conquered and administered.

Tibet, all I can say was it was Mongols-lite for early history. No idea what became of it in later periods outside Buddhist revolution.

Dominated is probably the wrong word, but defined by their relationship with for long periods, most regions next to China qualify.

>>3348545
Why anime is popular, or why did animation develop the way it did in Japan and not anywhere else?

For the former, it is mostly format and variety.

1) It is no secret that TV audiences nowadays are generally more appreciative of continuous narratives than series of stand alone episodes. Yet, for some reason, that was mostly unheard of outside of soap operas (which have their own set of problems) in American TV up until Twin Peaks. Meanwhile, while Anime was also fond of the episodic format, it's having continuous and complex narratives for very a specific audience since Gundam at the latest, so there was a 20 year head start to explore the tropes.

2) Live action television is somewhat limited in the scope of things it can accomplish due to the necessity of realism (just look at what percentage of popular/acclaimed American TV is crime drama or sitcoms, or how independent productions in developing countries are either soap operas or historical dramas). Stuff like Game of Thrones is popular because there's barely any alternative to it when talking live action, while fantasy shows in anime have gotten to a point where they have to be a parody of themselves to remain fresh. You can emulate any live action series with animation, but you can also explore settings, genres and themes that are pretty much impossible with live action (just look at popular anime shows like Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online, Naruto or JJBA).

For the latter, I think it has a lot to do with the fuckload of money Japan had in the latter half of last century, and that a niche market of mature animation was quick to develop. Western animation has been pigeonholed into being "for children" for pretty much ever (leaving aside Adult Swim-style dark humor), while Japanese animation found its niche away from children's cartoons thanks to the nudges in that direction from extremely expensive home video releases of manga adaptations and ambitious TV works such as Gundam and Evangelion.

>>3348812
Small disclaimers due to lack of space:
-I have no idea about European television and how it has developed, so I can't really take that into account.

-There's a very good discussion to be had about the differences between Japanese manga (and the styles it has influenced all over Asia now) and American comics (and Franco-Belgian comics, for that matter), which has obviously influenced the pool of inspiration and animated adaptations that got critical and popular acclaim on their respective countries.

>>3345609
Korea created K-pop and it's huge in the world. More popular then hip hop or EDM now. And all so called Japanese culture is stolen from Korea. They are Korean culture in a way.

PSY - GANGNAM STYLE(?????) M/V https://youtu.be/9bZkp7q19f0

>>3348953
Sure thing, Seung Park.

>>3348953
>And all so called Japanese culture is stolen from Korea
>we wuz samurai n sheitt

Both Korea and Japan stole their culture from China, don't kid yourself.

>>3348953
>K-pop
>More popular then hip hop or EDM now.
Bullshit.

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>>3346555
>>3346615
Yes, it really makes you think, how come Manchu still lost their language, identity and assimilate into Chinese society totally even though they forced Han wore their costume (which is actually also derive from partially Han costume). But nothing pathetic though, they're all loyal Chinese citizens now, modern Qi Pao is lovely, on white ladies, too

>>3346560
Feng Shui is kinda popular among businessman and rich people even in the West. It's true though. Bill Gates is just a relevant example, he's one of the richest man and most influential IT juggernaut in the world after all.

>>3349234
My point is that there's no need to bring up random people for validation.

Why should I care whether Feng Shui is popular among businessmen in the US? Shouldn't I care about Feng Shui due to its own merits (like I do)?

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>>3345609
>Vietnam and Korea

Both had been invaded by America. About a quarter of population was killed. Cities had been bombed to rubble. Guess this plays a role.

>>3349546
Nah, look at >>3346983 there's nothing like that for Korea or Vietnam.

>>3348812
>>3348852
Thanks for bothering anon

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>>3348692
>Japan had a shyalamalamlan twist to their Sinophiliac episode.
That's a funny way to put it, but it's true.

>>3349579
No problem. Just as a heads up, Gundam came out 11 years before Twin Peaks, not 20. Sorry for the goof.

Gook here.
Anime was the third nuke.
Kpop was the fourth.
Someone save my country. Everyone there looks like a woman now. My cousin wears motherfucking skin masks.

>>3349607
Stop plastic surgery and retrieve Pyongyang. I know your country have a great history.

because japan spent half a decade culturally synthesizing with the west (and im strictly referring to post-wwii) while china spent half a decade not only rejecting western culture but their own culture as well

>>3349744
>while china
But OP's question was about Vietnam and korea.

What if there's nothing interesting in their culture? You know, China and Japan were "crazy". They had castration, foot binding, harakiri etc. While Korea and Vietnam were relatively peaceful and which means boring.

>>3346378
>and Monkey King in all those western Moba games. So precious.
Just a small note - western game devs trying to cater to their Chinese audience is not the same as the monkey king really being known in the rest of the world just because of Chinese cultural impact. And also, really, westerners can't name a chinese emperor; shit, americans barely know that Europe is not a country.

>>3349765
>Europe is not a country
Wat?!

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>>3349758
Vietnam does have some interesting traditions in its culture such as teeth dyeing but those traditions were faded during colonization where people were forced (or willingly) Westernize. now the only thing for people to define our cultures is the cuisine.

>>3345609
South Korea's export level is similar to Japan.

Vietnam, not so much.


There's a key element to China/SKorea/Japan that allows them success. American market.

Vietnam won their war. So America wants nothing to do with it.

>>3349169
They look ugly

>>3346923
At least anime is somewhat original. Kpop is literally just re-treading the 90s boy/ girl band craze. And Kdramas are the most schlocky garbage, on par with Mexican telenovellas.

>>3349607
t. Gyopo

Burgerboi, having good skin isn't a bad thing.

>>3349718
Surgery rates are 13 people per 1000 every year and that's mostly concentrated in richest part of Seoul and some shit. Laser eye surgery, dental stuff, balding shit and foreigners all count towards the stats so we truely don't know how much actually do it. It still needs to stop being encouraged.


>>3349765
>Relatively peaceful
I guess. But if you count in:
Goguryeo Wei War
Baekje Invasion of Silla
Silla Invasion of Baekje
Goguryeo Invasion of the South
Goguryeo Sui War
Goguryeo Tang War
Silla Tang War

Later Goguryeo Baekje, Silla Crisis

North&South State

Khitan Rebellion in Balhae
Khitan Invasion of Korea
Jin Invasion of Korea
Mongol Invasion of Korea
Scholarly purge of Korea
Confucian/Mongol Advocate crisis
Ming Invasion of Korea

Japanese Invasion of Korea (Imjin)
Qing Invasion of Korea
Sino Russian Border skirmish
French Intervention in Korea
American Intervention in Korea
Gwangmu reform

Korean Provisional Government against
Manchuko.
Armed Conflict against IJA

Korean War

It's really not that peaceful.

The longest peace we ever had was 200 years during the Joseon Dynasty.

I also didn't add Other shit tones of conflicts and more documented ones.


Why is HISTORICAL Korean culture not well known in the world? Well there are barely any attempts to export it is probably the numva one reason.

Inside the Sinosphere, we were pretty well respected for number of things that modern people don't care about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDmBtNrC5Lc

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>>3345609
China doesn't need any explanation, it's always been one of the largest countries in the world.

What about Japan? It developed a unique and high culture, influenced by China but also so distinct from it. There are also some parallels between Europe and Japan - feudalism, samurai(knights), castles, bushido.

Unfortunately, traditional Korean culture was wiped out by Japan. They killed artists and burned books etc. There's no way you can learn it now. But modern Korean culture is taking over the world. K-pop, K-drama, K-movie are creating an unprecedented boom all over the world. Korean phones and cars are also sweeping the market. The reason Japanese culture was popular in the world was that they stole every good things from Korea and pretended they were Japanese. Like cherry blossoms, tea ceremony, kimono, kendo, sumo, karate, these things are all Korean invention.

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>>3349810
Japan did it.

I'm baffled that so many people have responded to this stupid OP

>>3349810
That's...mildly interesting.

>>3350138
K-shit is NOT culture. It's merely appropriation of Western culture by a Western puppet used to mentally subjugate a slave people while the true Koreans continue the struggle to the north. South Koreans are an absolute mess undeserving of any respect. Japan should recolonize South Korea.

>>3350138
Although it's undeniable Japan attempted cultural "extermination" in Joseon, it is also to note that there were barely anything redeeming in Joseon in the first place. The whole fuckingplace was a shit show.

Reformation failed in the 1600s
Buddhist values and etiquette were overwritten by radical neo confucian thought.
People were fucking starving
The government always pushed down the desires of both the commoners and the Yangban.
Corruption was abismal.
One clan held all power in the royal court.

The only thing that still held contact to a greater days of Korea was Porcelain and Archery that the Arabs, Chinese, Japanese and the late European visitors admired. It was the only two things they admired.

This thread just proves that Western kids should stick to fapping over Nazis. Nobody makes threads asking why Albania or Belgium weren't as influential as France or Italy, yet somehow for Vietnam and Korea it's a special defect to be less influential than their larger neighbors.

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>>3350155
>Japan should recolonize South Korea.
I agree only to this.

>>3350178
>Implying they ever colonised South Korea
Why would you even want that?

This thread is quite interesting. Vietnam, Korea and Japan are under strong Chinese influence. They didn't really start their own civilization but adopt Chinese culture more or less. Japan is insular and was modernized early so they developed relatively unique culture and could spread it outside the country. Korea and Vietnam are too similar to China to be recognized as unique.

>>3350190
What makes Japan so unique in comparison to the other Sinic countries?

>>3350196
Japan had a military government. They started as aristocracy like China and other east Asia countries. But soon military clan (samurai) took over the government and it continued until 19th century.

>>3350228
Korea had a military government. Every single sedentary country has aristocracy. If you mean feudalism then perhaps, but China basically abandoned in before Han.

The Military faction took absolute control over Korea and made the King/Emperor (depending on the era) a puppet and a Generalissimo ruled in place. This happened during the end of the three kingdoms and the majority of the Goryeo Dynasty.

This is only one method of ruling the nation. It's not that unique. I'm sure there are hundreds of reasons on why Japanese culture is unique but same applies to pretty much every country.

You wouldn't say Poland is not Unique because of Germanic, Byzantine and Latin influence would you?

Is Japanese culture so unique? They happened to be modernized earlier than other east Asian countries. But after all they use Chinese letters and eat rice with chopsticks. I can't think of anything unique Japan has other than their war crime.

>>3350141
Point taken, I guess we were heavily influenced by China during their occupation, guess the only way to stand out now is the food.

>>3350288
Japan is both extremely lucky and unlucky. They kept some parts of their culture better than the Chinese, but also lost some extremely important parts. For example, Japanese still wear the kimono sometimes for holidays, but the original concepts of family values have been completely BTFO by incessant Western influence. In the long term, China might "win" in this category of being an independent country able to cultivate its own unique identity rather than being subservient to a completely foreign people halfway across the planet.

Although Japanese have a knack for trying to synthesize parts of foreign cultures to adapt to their own. And I don't think it's because they're islanders, otherwise the Philippines would also be a unique country (it isn't).

>>3350288
It's not unique, I don't know where the "Japan has a unique culture" statement even comes from. They just took influence from all over the place. I guess anime subculture is unique but it's a modern thing.

>be Chinese
>grow up thinking Koreans are alright
>suddenly K-pop comes out of nowhere
>Koreans develop massive superiority complex over Chinese and Japanese overnight because of fucking POP MUSIC

Vietnamese are way more bro-tier even though they hate us Chinamen. The sad thing is that Koreans are ridiculously racist against Southeast Asians because "muh skincare routine" despite being weaker in almost every way other than having lighter skin. Yeah, I'm fucking pissed.

Is K-pop any popular? Though I don't pay much attention to music, I know no one that is into Korean music. Is that some guilty pleasure or something just like anime?

>>3350461
Lol absolute angst.

Are you so buttblasted by constant opposition from every single nation in East Asia as well the SEA that you have to project your insecurities ont other ethnicities?

Have you ever met a Korean in Korea?

>>3350138
>Like cherry blossoms, tea ceremony, kimono, kendo, sumo, karate, these things are all Korean invention.
What a load of bullshit.

All of those things were either Nip inventions or common all throughout the Sinosphere.

>>3350548
>cherry blossom
>invention
Wtf

Everything except kendo and sumo are Chinese derived.

Actually, Japanese people are the Chinese who moved to Japanese islands via Korean peninsula and mixed with native Japanese.

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>>3350010
Faggot is not welcomed!

>>3350499
No, I respect Japan for its achievements very much. There's a lot China can learn from modern Japan and almost nothing to learn from the shitshow that is South Korea. Notice how I haven't said anything about North Koreans.

I also respect Vietnamese for having extreme fucking discipline and willpower during the Vietnam War. South Koreans would never have been able to pull off such a feat despite claims of racial superiority over brown SE Asians.

Don't fight each other among Asian master races. This century will be Asian's anyway.

>>3348613
Except that they really KNEW about China during the Byzantine Empire.

"""" """"" isn't an argument

>>3350288
Japanese culture is unique.

Everything "traditional" about Japanese culture literally is traditional Chinese culture.

Is there some interesting Korean or Vietnamese traditional culture? Like Korean / Vietnamese philosophy, literature, paint, music, sports etc.

>>3350461
Don't worry we southeast Asians also hate you chinks, better Japs and Koreans than you

>>3350678
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>>3350678
Tang Dynasty too, they stole Tang China's culture and then preserved it forever.

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>>3350619
The Japanese are genetically dissimilar from both China and Korea, and indeed from the rest of SE Asia. Most of Asia has Han Chinese ancestry, but Japan differs by quite a lot and they in fact have a totally unique genetic makeup. There's no academic consensus on where the Japanese originated from. There's evidence of migrations from both the mainland (via Korea) as well as from islands to the south. Yet these migrations were obviously not simply colonization by the dominant haplo group of Asia, or else Japan would have ended up more or less the same as China and Korea.

Japan is strange because it is in so many ways isolated. Genetically, linguistically, religiously, and for many centuries, culturally. The country seems to alternate between greedily soaking up the cultures of powerful nations outside its borders and then cutting itself off from foreign influences and essentially fermenting its culture into something wholly unique.

>>3350781
>The Japanese are genetically dissimilar from both China and Korea, and indeed from the rest of SE Asia.
Autosomally,Japanese are more or less Koreans with Jomon admixture. Jomon are basal East Asians who became isolated from the ancestors of East Asian high/lowlanders.

The Jomon disproportionately contributed to Japanese male uniparentals(D1b M64.1) while the rest is mainly O1b2 P49(found in Koreans and Manchus) and subclades of O M122(found in continental East Asians).

>Most of Asia has Han Chinese ancestry
There is shared neolithic ancestry but this predates the earliest Sinitic polity(Shang) or the formation of a Han Chinese ethnos(Northern Wei). We don't even have autosomal DNA from ancient China or the Chinese neolithic.

>There's no academic consensus on where the Japanese originated from.
Japonic(including Ryukuan) related languages were present on the central/southern parts of the Korean.

Whether the urheimat of pre proto Japonic was located on coastal China is unknown.

>>3350138
Go to bed Kim

>>3350781
Japan is the best country in the world

>>3350143
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>>3350172
This thread must have been a traumatic experience for you to have been this triggered.

>>3350196
The way that Japan developed pretty much isolated from the outside world for extended periods of time.

It's like a miniature version of Feudal Europe, except with even fewer foreign invasions, an eventual unification, and a "Pope" (the Emperor) that eventually actually rose back to power.

>>3350700
>Chinese guy is complaining about Koreans being generally stuck up and racist to SEAsians
>a SEasian comes to shit on him while sucking Korean dick
What did he mean by this?

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>>3350630
Either European women really do not look good on Qi Paos, or you're posting terrible examples.

I hope that we can all agree that Anime Chinese girls are the ones who wear them the best, though.

>>3350100
>having good skin isn't a bad thing
Its a bad thing when the men wear makeup, everyone is an obssessive brand whore, everyone is DYEL, and no one knows how to be in a committed relationship anymore. I left in the late 90s when the country was in the throes of its ultrafascist past but the country has changed like crazy in the last 20 years.

>>3345609
The biggest question here is what will be China's innovation to compete with American capeshit and Japanese Isekai shit in the future.

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>>3350700
>Indonesia 1998

>>3353304
Chinese Rambo aka Wolf Warrior 2

>>3353304
Don't they have Kung Fu films, already?

>>3345637
>they started right after 1945
You know knowing. Stop talking. Japan started in 1868. Even by the 1890s a lot of thier upper class were being trained in the US or U.K. And they also had engineers and other experts trained in the west. This only accelerated after 1903.

>>3351672
Sleeveless qipao are indeed a miracle of the universe.

>>3350179
they literally did colonize the korean peninsula though. are you simply trying to forget about 50 years of history?

>>3350396
mao essentially killed off actual chinese culture during the cultural revolution and the great leap forward
now days theyre trying to undue that because "china strong" and shit. might take them a while though to flesh it all out, all while having to fight off westernization and capitalism

>>3354284
>capitalism
But they're capitalist as fuck

>>3354577
Yeah, China awakened when they started to go full capitalist in the 90s while keeping their oppressive government.

>>3354272
Yeah and they royally fucked it all up because Japs are autistic as fuck.

>>3345609
Are you retarded? Do you not understand how numbers work?

>>3356292
Are you so autistic that you are unable to complete your ideas before you make a post?