>used to be the biggest country in Europe What went wrong?

>>3337971

They got what they deserved, they trusted a Slav!

>>3337971
It was pretty decentralized so who cares if they were big?

>>3337971
Nothing good ever came out of this place

I used to know a Lithuanian girl. She was an easy 10/10. But she would only fuck Lithuanian men and was also a total slut. She fucked a different guy every week.

Maybe it's related somehow but I doubt it.

Daily reminder that Poland-L*thuania was 99% Poland and 1% L*thuania

>>3338008
Thanks for such insightful historical information, you really helped me understand lithuanian history better

>>3338015
Sure thing Vlad

>>3338015
t. Włodzimiek Krzszyczovsky

>>3338017
Kek, you're welcome.

>>3338015
t. Boczesłav Trockevicz

>>3338008
Anon, I was that girl...

>>3338037
post pussy

>>3338015
t. Bronisłav Komarovsky

>>3337971
They handed everything over to the poles

>>3337971
They never bothered to integrate the slavs and make them speak lithuanian, though I can't imagine it happening since lithuanian culture wasn't much to write home about during most of it existance.

>>3338029
>using a retard letter like ł while not using w

>>3338037
Where do you live?

>>3337971
I'm Lithuanian. Ask me anything

>>3338063
What went wrong?

>>3338057
t. bydło

>>3338067
Everything

>>3337971
>tfw you can't for the love of God remember the difference between Latvia and Lithuania

>>3338044
>>3338029
Samefag

>>3338076
I can't remember the difference between America and Mexico

>>3338076
Lithuania: Pollacks in denial
Latvia: Russkies in denial

>>3338063
Irodyk, kaimieti.

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/balt/

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>>3338157
>tfw stores ib my town haven't sold Karums for years now
Cut my life into pieces famalam

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>>3338090
There's actually some truth in that.
The "lithuanian cultural revival" that occurred before and during the Interwar can be wholly described as "WE'RE NOT FUCKIGN POLANDIBLES".
Obviously, right after this chimpout and rejection of the one thing that made us somewhat human in the first place, everything went to shit.

>>3338173
gimme your runescape nick, I'll send you some

>>3337971
>conquer a lot of clay
>suddenly find yourself in situation where you became minority in your own country
the influence of ruthenians, belarusians or whatever you wanna call them was too strong

>>3338076
One was Germany's, Russia's, and Poland's bitch, the other was Germany's, Russia's, Poland's, and also Sweden's bitch.

>>3337971
Modern Belarus is the real medieval Lithuania, modern Lithuania has fuck all to do with it.

>>3338090
I don't know about that. Lithuania is still balt right?
And Belarusians are slavified (?) Lithuanians and their territory covers much of the former Duchy if Lithuania.

>>3338680
Explain.

Hopefully Polish-Lithuanian relations are better now that they were 5 years ago. No reason they shouldn't. Worse things happened between Poland and Czech Republic or Poland and Ukraine.

>>3338688
Look at a map sometime.

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>>3338688
Old Belarus even used Lithuanian colors and coat of arms.

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>>3338698
But Belarus was never part of the Baltic tribes.

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>>3338693
>No reason they shouldn't
We are the Bulwark against pszczek imperialism.
We stand against P*land for the solidarity of Slavdom.

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i wish things were better between our countries, Lithbros

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>pszczek pszczek

>>3338705
That's the point, Lithuania was not really a Baltic country.

>>3338714
Wait what. How come?

>>3338709
Well we're not to blame for any of that salt in today's politics. We barely even notice it.

>>3338718
Belarusians = Lithuanians
Modern """Lithuanians""" = Samogitians

>>3338723
So Lithuanians weren't Baltic peoples?

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>>3338723
>Samogitians
What happened to the rest of them, then?

>>3338724
Most of them weren't.

>>3338714
Originally they definitely were a baltic tribe when they were baptized. I think Belarusian nation is a a mix. A lot of Lithuanians eventually polonized.

>>3338731
The inhabitants of the Ruthenian part of the country weren't, sure.
The ruling class and the population of Lithuania Proper certainly were.

lithuanians conquered belarus and ukraine when they were extremally weak but lithuanians were like 5% of the population and they didnt really have they own distict culture which they could impose on slavs so the country was more slav land, and then poles came in with even bigger population than belarus and lithuanians were total minority and almost got polonized but becouse of poland being destroyed they somehow managed to save their language etc even now like 30% of vilnus population are poles

They trusted a P*le.

>>3338700
Or they could be LARPing but their territory covers Duchy of Lithuania.

>>3338769
1897: According to the first census in the Russian Empire, in 1897 population of Vilnius was 154,500. The largest linguistic groups at the time were those speaking Jewish (61,847) and Polish (47,795). Other groups included Russian (30,967), Belarusian (6,514) and Ukrainian (517), Lithuanian (3,131), German (2,170), Tartar (722) and Latvian (184) speaking communities.

just read this

>>3338709
Even though our history is difficult, being together in one union had quite a few benefits.
Our cities flourished in growth and trade, due to polish influences, the westernization of Lithuanian lands went quicker.
Thanks to the polish, we resisted teutonic "colonization" of our lands, unlike in Latvia or Estonia.
Instead of orthodoxy, thanks to Poland, we celebrate Catholic traditions.
Not to mention current importance of Poland to us today, both economically and militarily.

Thank you Poland.

>>3338783
Emphasis on the "linguistic" part.

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>>3338783
The entire former Pale of Settlement should be spammed with hydrogen bombs and then covered with concrete. Everyone living in that area has some degree of jewish blood.

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>>3338724
Lithuanians actually descend from Ptolemy IX's unnamed child born to a black male slave. The young lad was exiled at birth to the great unknown north with a retinue of his own slaves and a chest of gold to support himself. Over time he and his descendants were able to conquer vast areas stretching right to the Sea of Japan, covering much of present-date Russia, before eventually losing much of its lands in successive wars against the retro-neo-neo-Finnish Khaghanate.

A fun fact for the day.

>>3338788
that the lithuanian language almost died because they were minority lithuanian army for example consisted in 95% of belarusian and ukrainains

>>3338796
Which period are we talking about?

>>3338791
Good. Enjoy your 1/15th jewish hurritage Boris.

>>3338795
>black male slave
That would explain why Lithuania has an African flag.

>>3338799
since the lithuania have grown into big nation

>>3338801
I'm not Russian.

1916: According to the census of 14 December 1916 by the occupying German forces at the time, there were a total of 138,794 inhabitants in Vilnius. This number was made up of the following nationalities: Poles 53.67% (74,466 inhabitants), Jews 41.45% (57,516 inhabitants), Lithuanians 2.09% (2,909 inhabitants), Russians 1.59% (2,219 inhabitants), Germans 0.63% (880 inhabitants), Belarusians 0.44% (644 inhabitants) and others at 0.13% (193 inhabitants)

>>3338015
>t. Władisław Niemczyk

1931: 196,345 inhabitants.[68] A census of 9 December 1931 reveals that Poles made up 65.9% of the total Vilnius population (128,600 inhabitants), Jews 28% (54,600 inhabitants), Russians 3.8% (7,400 inhabitants), Belarusians 0.9% (1,700 inhabitants), Lithuanians 0.8% (1,579 inhabitants), Germans 0.3% (600 inhabitants), Ukrainians 0.1% (200 inhabitants), others 0.2% (approx. 400 inhabitants). (The Wilno Voivodeship in the same year had 1,272,851 inhabitants, of which 511,741 used Polish as their language of communication; many Belarusians lived there.

>>3338803
According to the military census of 1528, ethnic Lithuanian lands had 5730 horsemen, whereas the army of the Ruthenian lands of the Grand Duchy consisted of 5372.[3]

>>3338819
Probably because the fucking kulaks hoarded all the horses.
kokhols disgust me

This reminds me of my old highschool, and how there was some weird Polish-Lithuanian clique. The Lithuanians would always bring up Soviets in the Baltics, the Poles would bring up Nazis in Poland, and they would both mention Poland-Lithuania anytime they could. Probably some of the weirdest shit I've seen in my life.

>>3338877
Where did you go to school?

>>3338877
sounds hot

>>3338877
17th century Commonwealth was dope as fuck. Everybody wants to be a part of its legacy.

>>3338913
Shame it's virtually non-existent in the media.

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>>3338926
Yeah, we're left with European movies. Adaptations of the Trilogy (Teddy Roosevelt liked those books), that horrible movie about the Siege of Vienna and a Russian movie that actually was pretty popular in Poland as a source of the jokes because it showed Poles as kind of orc-like creatures which is just the best.

Our government wants to ask Mel Gibson (who used to be interested in the project) to direct a new movie about Vienna. Another shit that will never happen.

>>3338926
>implying Europe east of Germany/Austria/Switzerland/Italy exists in popular culture+media

Everything is just Russia and Transylvanian vampires

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>>3338946
I think it's just because of the Cold War. And the fact that most nations there belong to the same linguistic group. Americans don't think central/eastern Europe is distinct enough because most of those nations were repressed culturally until 25 years ago.
One example National Lampoon's movie about the Eurotrip. UK, Italy, France and Germany. Maybe for them you're not significant unless you have famous landmarks. But just look at it.

>>3338946
you dont see movies about history of kazakhstan as well

>>3338962
No, it's older than that. I've read Dracula from Stoker and it's basically the biggest load of horseshit I've ever read.
>Dracula is based on Wallachian ruler but is somehow a Szekler who speaks Hungarian and claims to be descended from Attila, but lives nowhere near Szekler land
>Slovaks are plastered all over Transylvania for whatever reason even though they never lived there
>Romanians basically don't exist even though they've been the majority there
>geography fucked beyond imaginable

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>>3338157
love you fellas

>>3339005
at least someone loves us

>>3338008
You've never truly had sex with a Lithuania until you put on the former Anthem of the USSR while they ask you to choke them

>>3338877
Got any stories?

>>3338062
In Lithuania

>>3338913
>Everybody wants to be a part of its legacy

Not really true in Lithuania. All nationalism is based on Pagan Lithuania. Everything that happens after the death of Vytautas is mostly skipped.

>>3337971
>Convert to Christianity
>Everything instantly goes to shit

Hmm...

How come the Eesties didn't germanize

>>3340927
It's unironically because we saved them.

>t.Samogitian

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>>3340902
This is kinda true, sadly.
Wish they'd tone down on this little shit's personality cult in the history classes a bit, tbqh.

>>3340917
If by "shit" you mean "Golden Age", then sure.
Or are you implying that GDL was in any way "great" before its westernization?

>>3340927
Mostly because of heavy segregation and lack of any meaningful interaction between the ruling and peasant classes of Livonia.

>>3340941
This tbqh, I wanted to learn more about Algirdas and how he ruled but instead I was forced to jack off the dick of "Vytautas DIDYSIS :-DDDDDDDDD" all the fucking time. Got real old, real fast.

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>>3341025
>Algirdas
Exquisite. I myself am more of a Gediminas guy, but Algirdas is a close second.

>>3338017
dont be autistic

>>3338672
>>3338076
Lithuania never really was a bitch of the Germans.
Germans controlled Klaipēda for a long time, and the Teutonic Order controlled Žemaitija for a couple of years.
Latvia was also quite autonomous under the Russian Empire, the local Baltic German elite held most of the power.
Also, Latvians are traditionally Lutheran, although Latgale is mostly Catholic due to the counter-reformation. There are also a lot of Russians (both Old Believers and newer Soviet immigrants) in Latgale, so it's a place where all 3 major sects of Christianity meet.

In terms of economy, they are pretty much equal, Lithuania is a bit ahead.
Also, Lithuania has a Polish minority. and a very small Russian minority. Poles used to live near Daugavpils but not anymore. Latvia's Russian minority is quite large (slightly over 25%), same in Estonia.

>>3341025
>>3341062
>God Tier
Treniota
Gediminas
Kęstutis
Algirdas

>Ok Tier
Vytenis
Jogaila

>Normie Tier
Vytautas
Mindaugas

>Literally Who Tier
Butvydas
Butgeidis
Jaunutis

>>3340902
Seriously they miss all the cool shit? Man what a waste.
Ok then everybody sane would want to be a part of its legacy.

>>3341456
Well all the "cool shit" mostly involves Poland, with Lithuania playing a support role. Modern national pride is based on entirely different things than at the time. It's based on shared culture and language, something that began eroding with the Polish-Lithuanian Union. So people don't care if a great battle was won by some Czerczwszciecz, even though he's technically the Hetman of Lithuania.

>>3341432
are you making up words?

>>3341610
>No just calling your rulers John XVIIXV
or Louis CVVXCL

>>3341610
t. Vitovt

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>>3341432
Jaunutis was a pure soul. Bless his heart

>>3338993
Does it have any history besides steppe people?

>>3341432
Fuck, meant to say Traidenis instead of Treniota, but he can stay too.

Reminder that Vytautas the Great had feminine features and escaped Teuton captivity by dressing as a girl. Gedeminas is God Tier duke, while Smetona is God Tier president.

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>>3341740
>flees to America
Stulginskis is where it's at.

>>3341797
>Government in exile = fleeing
Shiggy Diggy, but Stulginskis is an acceptable choice.

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>>3341820
Tbqh I kind of feel bad for Smetončika, nigger wanted to fight the Commies but was denied. Didn't we spend like 25% of our budget on the military? Although I guess that was the better choice in the long run, Lithuanian lives were saved.

>>3341824
>Runs away
>Doesn't even establish a government in exile

>>3341824
20% yes.
>"The young Republic of Lithuania was threatened both by Poland and the Soviet Russia, thus creating an army became the top priority. This allowed a relatively quick establishment of an independent army with a strong national identity, but it did cost a fortune – Lithuania allocated about 20% of the national budget every year to keep it."

Žvelgaitis > all

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I want this on the wall above my bed, tbqh.

>>3341854
>Trusts G*rms and traitorous proto-Latvians
>Gets the spear

Serves him right.

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>>3337993
>>3338008
>>3338018
>>3338023
>>3338029
>>3338044
>>3338070
>>3338157
>>3338711
>>3338706
die

>>3341917
>saves some shitty tl;dr just in case he gets btfo by Lithuanians again

Are all pszeks this insecure?

>>3341624
>Vitovt
Why do the Rusyns have their own name for Vytautas? Or is that the Russian name?
The Polish name is Witold and the Belarusian name is Vitaut.

>>3341923
>psheks
You're literally insulting Sanskrit right now.

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@3341917

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>>3341917
reminds me of this one, but a bit too whiny

>when your country is less powerful than latvia

>>3338015

this was true

polish came first of course

>>3338944
>Mel Gibson
Oh please, for the sake of everything, just no.

>>3342883
ugh, THIS

like 4real you know.. like, just... no.
just... ...no...

like really, I mean I can't just even... like LITERALLY JUST CAN'T EVEN RIGHT NOW

u know

>>3338882
I went to school in the Chicago area. Historically, Polish immigrants have always been quite prevelant in Chicago. In fact, the third most spoken language in Illinois is Polish. I'm not too sure about what the Lithuanians were doing there, but I've ran into some Lithuanians generally across Illinois so I guess its not too uncommon. In fact, there was a murder case in downstate Illinois, (my grandparents live downstate so I go there quite often,) where the suspect was cheating on his wife, the victim, with a Lithuanian college girl.

>>3340859
I don't really have any in depth stories about them because I didn't really hang out with them much. They were really nice though and spoke good English even though they spent several years of their childhood in Poland/Lithuania. They were also pretty smart as I ran into them alot in AP and honors classes. In comparison, they probably made up ~15% of the school population but made up a third of the AP classes in a school of several thousand kids. The only bad thing about them was the fact that I lived close to where they would have a lot of their house parties where they would blare out music. A lot of the music was your average contemporary American music, but sometimes they would play Polish music, and I think they played some Lithuanian music as well but I couldn't really tell. Being the relatively nationalistic Poles/Lithuanians that they are, they often put up flags of Poland or Lithuania above the garage or something, but I don't rememeber them ever putting up a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth flag up.

>>3338993
what about Borat?

>>3343068
>I'm not too sure about what the Lithuanians were doing there
Chicago has the largest community of Lith Americans out of all the cities in the USA, m8. Lots of Jews and Poles, too, I've heard.
It's the Wilno/Vilnius/Vilne of the New World.
>don't rememeber them ever putting up a Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth flag up
Don't really think they're sold anywhere.

>>3343144
Thanks, I didn't know that there are a lot of Lithuanian Americans in the Chicago area.You hear a lot about the Poles around here due to the fact that we have Casimir Pulaski day, and because of the sheer fact that they are a relatively major ethnic group here. I thought the Lithuanians were here for some weird foreign exchange program or something lol.

>Don't really think they're sold anywhere.
I thought that maybe they'd go autistic enough and try to buy a flag online, or even make one themsleves. I didn't really expect it myself, but it was something fun to think about.

>>3341620
That's not how roman numerals work mate

The the greatest tragedy of them all: Muscovy rose to power and win the claim to being Rus.

Also, modern Lithuania doesn't really have much continuity to the Duchy of old. If a lithuanian does claim that then they are basically larping.

>>3337971
It's an interesting story actually, this is what i know personally, i hope someone will correct me if im wrong:

The Lithuanians conquered a lot of Ruthenian territory and all the Ruthenian nobility was accepted and equal to Lithuanian nobility, also the lithuanians had no literacy so Ruthenian was used as a state language

I believe the name of this state was the grand dutchy of lithuania, ruthenia and samogidia

so most of the land was ruthenian(belarus and ukraine) the lithuanians speakers remained in their historic territory

>>3338063
I'm not going to ask you anything, but I would to thank you and your fellow baltics for using the š letter because helps narrow down what country I am in in Geoguessr :) (can only really be Lithuania or Latvia)

>>3344311
like to thank you*

>>3337971
>>used to be the biggest country in Europe
It was Belarus, not Lithuania

>>3344596
>Europe

>>3339705
Underrated jej

>>3344599
GDL formed on belarusian lands, and it's govermental language was old belarusian

>>3344648
>"Das rite kids, and then grand duke Algierd and Vitovt (both very slavic names) conquered the pagan Samogitians (NOT Lithuanians, they were called Samogitians, OK?) and spread Litvin Civilization across the world."
>"So what happened ma, why are we dirt poor and Russia's bitch?"
>"It's cuz those Samogitians stole our name, history and Vilnia. Now get you Slavic asses to bed"

>>3344648
>GDL formed on belarusian lands,

ayo hol up aukstaitija is actually belarus

Why does the Lithuanian flag look african? Perhaps it has to do with Lithuanians being plebs?

>>3345478
When we made ours, the term "african flag" was non-existent.

>>3341477
Considering it was the longest political union in European history and basically a marriage out of reason that was kept alive because of the benefits it seems like a huge waste on behalf of temporary politics. Especially considering fluent nature of nationality in 16th-17th century.

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>>3337971
>modern Lithuania is somehow connected to medieval
It's like muslims roleplaying roman empire.

>>3345717
When in doubt check the genes.

>>3345717
I mean, it was originally created by the same Baltic people that inhabit the area today.
The ruling class were pagan ethnic Balts at first, then Catholic ethnic Balts later.
All of the capitals of GDL reside in the current territory of the Republic of Lithuania.
How are they not related?

>>3345756
>Balts
>ruling class

>>3345756
>How are they not related?

They're not related because Belarus need to justify its existence somehow.

>>3345771
Old Belarus used the same colors (white and red) and coat of arms as the Duchy. Are they just larping making use of the fact that modern Lithuania rejects their legacy or are they right?
Who are they? Belarusian tribes existed way before the Commonwealth.

>>3345785
>Belarusian tribes existed way before the Commonwealth.
true. it was called principality of polotsk

>>3345785
There's nothing wrong with them using those symbols. They were an important part of the Duchy and there's no denying it. What's wrong is bullshit claims like "Lithuanians are Samogitians and just stole their name" or "Vytautas was a slav" etc.

Ethnically speaking, Belarusians descent from several East Slavic tribes such as Kriviches and Dregoviches and are completely unrelated to the Baltic Lithuanians.

It's such a pity. Russians had a chance to have a western-style kingdom but because of poles and catholicism i guess it was missed and Moscow took over. Oh well.

>>3347084
>Russians had a chance to have a western-style kingdom but because of poles and catholicism i guess it was missed and Moscow took over
it's because of russians eastern slavs lost any hope of being western

poles kept lithuania, western part of belarus and ukraine in western civilzation. ruskies tried to enforce their barbaric lack of culture.

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>mfw Pole and hate how buttmad Lithuanians get at us, for centuries old blood feuds
>tfw genuinely feel bad for them getting fucked over so much
mixed feelings desu

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I hope acting sultana Daliah Grzybowska bin Vilna calls for Jihad, the p*lish dog will wiped out from the face of the Earth.
Inshallah, the time is nigh, I can feel it in my blood.

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>>3347247
Greeeboskapadla is not my president, ok. Praise Paksas

>>3347228
>for centuries old blood feuds
What feuds? It was the most stable political union in European history. Or one of them at least. Depends if you count from the personal or real union. The truth is that the only reason Poles ever realize that something is off is when they hear stories about Lithuanians acting like shit to Polish tourists or whatever problems Polish diaspora has. Then everybody is like "Wait what? Why? What's going on?"

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>>3347228
>"come test us"

>>3347281
>that bleached flag

>>3347292
>african tricolors
refugees would move there but it would feel too much like home

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>>3347305

>>3347305
Tell me about the flag. Why is it bleached kurwa jego mać?

>>3338783
Ethnic Lithuanians were peasants and lived in countryside.
They were minority in cites, but majority overall.

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>>3340885