The Macedonians were not Greek

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>>333263
>It is ironical

>>333263
>spoke Greek
>ruled Greeks
>Spread Greek culture
>Were in the Olympics
>not Greek

Nope, go back to your youtube comments balkan shit

>>333316
Alexander during a certain Greek's "trial" identified himself as Macedonian and not Greek.

>>333336
Yeah and Brits say they aren't European.

I am Slavic history.
Greek was Slav and Platonovich was Serbia Greek man, same as Homerinov and Aristolibog.

>>333342
Nice non-sequiter, friendo.

>>333363
No, it does follow. They had pride in their nation, they would say they're not Greek when it suited them, it doesn't make it true.

>>333382
It doesn't follow.

Now establish to me and everyone else where the Macedonians were Greek. The Greeks made no effort before Philip's ascension and dominion as Hegemon to hide their disgust and mistrust of Macedonians as labeling them as barbarians and backwards consistently in the past.

>>333406
Not the guy you're debating but I recall Herodotus (could have been Thucydides) making arguments that the Macedonians were Greek.

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Alexander the Great was born in Thessaloniki
Thessaloniki is in Greece

The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia does not cover any of the borders formerly occupied by Alexander's Macedonia and was named by the Ottomans. They speak a Slavic language, not Macedonian.

The Macedonian ethnic group no longer exists and was absorbed into the Greek population. Modern "Macedonians" are Slavs and have no claim on historical Macedonia.

>>333263
Ethnically ancient Macedonians were basically the mixing point of Thracians and Greeks, like how Epirotes were essentially Greco-Illyrians. The Peloponnesian Greeks still considered them barbaric despite all their similarities. It wasn't until AFTER Alexander's conquest that they were accepted as Greeks by the Peloponnesus.

In the modern sense, ancient Macedonia is a part of the modern country of Greece, so if you go by that, then yes.

>>333263
Forgot to add >>333476

Modern Macedonia isn't in the slightest related to ancient Macedonia. Modern Macedonia is as Macedonian as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic.

>>333406
It does follow.

And here
>>333316

Your problem is that you're taking rhetoric seriously. If you think about it, the fact that the Southern Greeks were insisting the northern Greeks weren't Greek and went to lengths to insult them, just kind of proves they are, or at least that a lot considered them Greece.

>>333498
Yeah, it's basically the same as /pol/ insisting Italians aren't white.

In 2300 years some faggot will probably take them seriously and argue for it online.

>>333452

>Russians are roughly the same genetic distance from Europeans as Turks are from europeans
>Russians are White
>ergo, Turks are White

>>333336
Macedonians were sort of off-brand semi-Greeks but still fundamentally Hellenic.

>>333452
Why are Slovakia and Italy nearly identical?

>>333263
No evidence to support the claim. He just says "nuh-uh, they might not have been greek!"
No genetic, linguistic, textual, or other data is provided to show that the Macedonians are not Greek.

>>333263
modern macedonia is slavic. ancient macedon was squarely hellenic.

there are two dimensions here
1. whether or not ancient macedonians would have been considered greek by ancient greeks
2. whether or not ancient macedonians would be considered greek by modern greeks

>>335062
no on both points

What I learned from Kenneth Harl
1. The royal family were honorary Greeks, but only Philip really took this to heart, and it was more political.
2. The population of Macedon were considered barbarians, and not of the Hellenes.
3. Despite Alexander having a Greek Mother and interested in Greek epics/myth, he was politically an culturally more Macedonian than his father

Of course not. Not even the Greeks are really Greeks, they're just Hellenized Turks.

>>333263
lmao yea and africa had reputable kingdoms
get real

>>333336
>Are you Greek?
>I'm Athenian

Most of the Greeks north of Thessaly became Slav speakers and Bulgarians

>The 1911 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica gave the following statistical estimates about the population of Macedonia:

>Slavs (described in the encyclopaedia as a "Slavonic population, the bulk of which is regarded by almost all independent sources as Bulgarians"): approximately 1,150,000, whereof, 1,000,000 Orthodox and 150,000 Muslims (called Pomaks)
>Turks: ca. 500,000 (Muslims)
>Greeks: ca. 250,000, whereof ca. 240,000 >Orthodox and 14,000 Muslims
>Albanians: ca. 120,000, whereof 10,000 Orthodox and 110,000 Muslims
>Vlachs: ca. 90,000 Orthodox and 3,000 Muslims
>Jews: ca. 75,000
>Roma: ca. 50,000, whereof 35,000 Orthodox and 15,000 Muslims

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and these censuses were mostly taken in "GREEK MACEDONIA"

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Look who's living in most of "Greek Macedonia"

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Now compare these maps to this map take note of all the major population centers and plains (which most are found within Slavic speaking territories)

MOST, the majority, of the descendants of the inhabitants of the ancient kingdom of Macedon, would be become SLAVIC SPEAKERS by the 20th century. PERIOD.

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>>335570
>my face when the vast majority of people of ancient Macedonian stock were eventually absorbed into the slavs

>>334184
what do you mean "european?"

there more groups in the right part of the 1st and 4th quadrants than the "european" group towards the 2nd

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_speakers_of_Greek_Macedonia

It's not an issue of the people in FYROM, but the MAJORITY of people of Greek Macedonia who happen to speak a Slavic language

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>WE WUZ HELLAS N SHIET

>WE WUZ BYZANTINES N SHIET

>WE WUZ ATHENS AND SPARTA N SHIET

>WE WUZ ALEXANDER N SHIET

>>333263
Daily reminder that the whole "Macedonians are related to the ancient Macedonians" is literally what the Greeks told the Bulgarian Macedonians to hellenize them, Greece is now paying for the Hellenization of the Bulgarians with interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCLSlR5m8I4

Also, the current prime minister of Macedonia, the one in charge of the "antiquization' is from Aegean Macedonia, and his grandfather, Nikos Gruyos fought for the Greeks in ww2.

>>333263
I wish we could have a modern Thracian or Illyrian state as enemies and not you Slavs.

>>335551
Ayluk Sanudurr Khan of the clan Dulu was Bulgarian. It is known, the trees and starts worship it, indeed, and the shamen agree. Praise Tengri.

>>335682
>bulgarian khanate

No such thing ever existed. Its Bulgar Khanate, not Bulgarian.
Its just as wrong as calling the Germanic tribes Germans or the Gauls French.