Iran-Iraq War

>>3330101
Iraq for being the aggressor.

The revolution for gutting Iran's military completely and denying Iran complete victory.

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>>3330101
>Iraq initially sought accommodation with Iran after the Shah's departure.
>Tehran broadcast calls for the overthrow of Saddam's regime.
>Iraq did not begin to mobilize it's troops until after Iranian shelling
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP90T00114R000700730002-0.pdf

>>3330111
>first post
>best post
>trips

>>3330101
better question how come ite Iraqis couldnt even take ahvas? the terrain around there is flat, not mountainous like the rest of iran, and teh Iranians were taken completely by surprise, surely they could have encircled it with ease?

The US for fucking around with both countries

>>3330147
>CIA

>>3330111
the superpowers would have intervened one way or another if one side started to win. There was never gonna be a 'winner'.

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>>3330101
Iran was. They violated the 1975 Algiers treaty in which Iran promised not to aid terrorist groups within Iraq, by aiding, training and sheltering the Dawa party which carried out the 1 April 1980 Bombings in Mustansiriya killing 11 students and wounding Tariq Aziz.

This is is a irrefutable fact, regardless of your political opinions, Iran violated the treaty, so they are responsible for starting the war.

>In April 1980 he survived an Iranian-backed assassination attempt carried out by members of the Islamic Dawa Party. In the attack, members of Islamic Dawa Party threw a grenade at Aziz in central Baghdad. The attack killed several people.[14] It was part of the casus belli of the Iran–Iraq War.[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Aziz#Political_career

There's also the other stuff like Khomeini constantly shouting about how he will overthrow Saddam and liberate Karbala, which sounds like a declaration of war to me.

>>3330965

>They violated the 1975 Algiers treaty in which Iran promised not to aid terrorist groups within Iraq

Was this before or after Saddam support Arab and Balochi terrorists in Iran?

Saddam's decision to invade Iran was never about Khomeini's calls to export the revolution as his position in Iraq was firmly secure. In fact, Arab countries were more hostile to Saddam than Iran. Baghdad had in fact already suppressed Shiite political organizations such as the Al-Daawah before Saddam’s invasion of Iran. What is almost certain is that Tehran’s fiery post-revolutionary rhetoric calling for the overthrow of the Baath posed little military threat to Iraq. Iran’s armed forces, caught in the midst of post-revolutionary purges and trials, were wholly incapable of posting any serious challenge against Baghdad.

Neither Iraq nor Iran is to blame because neither of them had a Rothschild Bank. Iraq was a socialist country therefore it had no Rothschild or a Soros run bank. And Iran although wasn't really socialistic or communistic, the oppose Western imperialism and they oppose the zionists as well so they had no Rothschild Bank either.

>>3330147
>>3330965
even the cia said there's no evidence iran supported aziz's assassination

>>3330989
>What is almost certain is that Tehran’s fiery post-revolutionary rhetoric calling for the overthrow of the Baath posed little military threat to Iraq

That's a post-facto assessment. A declaration of war is a declaration of war, they were openly announcing they would topple saddam whilst having daily border exchanges and supporting the Dawa party's terrorism within Iraq.

And Iraq didn't support Baloch rebels between the Algiers agreement and the start of the Iran-Iraq war. The Dawa party was carrying out attacks before the start of the war.

>>3330997
>the cia
Are you fucking serious? You rely on them as a source of truth?
Its a fact that Iran openly supported and sheltered the Dawa party and various shi'ite islamists.

>>3331093
It's not a post-fact assessment at all. Iraqi intelligence reports from 1979-1980 carefully followed Iran's military purges and correctly concluded that Iran's borders were undermanned and underequipped. Iran was incapable of mounting any offensive and Iraq knew that.

Funny how Dawa are terrorists but Arab and Baloch terrorists are "rebels". And Iraq indeed did support them before the war:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Khuzestan_insurgency

Why shouldn't the CIA be trusted on this matter? The US supported Saddam throughout the war and had a chip on the shoulder every since Khomeini came to power.

>>3330996
>Muh Rothschilds
What is a Rothschild bank?
You sound like a retard repeating /pol/ talking points without even understanding what they are supposed to mean.

>>3331190
The CIA also claims that halabja was done by iran. So you only trust the CIA when it suits you? And no, the CIA is not a reliable source.

>It's not a post-fact assessment at all. Iraqi intelligence reports from 1979-1980 carefully followed Iran's military purges and correctly concluded that Iran's borders were undermanned and underequipped. Iran was incapable of mounting any offensive and Iraq knew that.

Proof?

In any case, it doesn't change the fact that Iran violated the Algiers treaty and Khomeini practically declared war on iraq. Talk shit, get hit.

If a guy keeps saying "i'm going to hit you, i'm going to hit you, i'm going to hit", you don't wait for him to hit you, you make the first move. Saddam tried to make peace with Khomeini, but Khomeini publicly declared the will topple saddam and export his revolution.

The U.S. also sent weapons to Iran throughout the war via Israel.