Was he the first protestant?

What do you think?

>>3324875

No, Leo IX was.

>>3324875
Nope, there were many "pre-reformists" before him.
Probably Peter Waldo was the first reformer.

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>>3324875
Marsilius of Padua (1270-1342) writes vehemently against the papacy and the rule of monarchy. Opposing monarchical rule, he outlines a theory of city-wide popular sovereignty with separate legislature. Writing of papal authority, he categorically denies the clergy any authority within the temporal sphere. Marsilius also effectively renounces Aristotelianism of the scholastic tradition in favour of a more Platonist view

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AHOY

>>3325125
>>3325127
Peter Waldo precedes both of them.

>>3325127
he was inspired by wycliffe and the lollards

>>3324875
no that'd be Paul

>be me
>in a university lecture about the reformation
>female classmate of mine says she doesn't see how this shit is supposed to be important
>this is after we'd heard about the countless wars, philosophical revolutions and general changing face of the western world that were a direct result of it
>i basically tell her it must be a problem on her end
>she acts as if i had just raped her mother in front of her
How do we solve the normie question, /his/?

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Wycliffe is generally seen as the first in the Protestant camp, but Waldo does proceed him slightly. Another early Protestant was Master Erkhart, who probably influenced Luther very closely, being himself a German

Depends on what you mean. He's (as far as I know) the first person to start a religious movement against the Catholic Church. Other early religious "splinter groups" or factions tended to come before the Catholic orthodoxy took over (ei gnosticism) or were based on ideas that weren't fully established in the orthodoxy (like Pelagius). A lot of other movements wanted to reform from within the church, but not to really move away from the church like Luthor did (like the Céilí Dé). But it's not like he was the first to challenge the Pope, just the first to ragequit Catholicism.

>>3324875
The first protestant was Lucifer himself

>>3326513

Luther didn't want to 'move away' from the Catholic Church, he wanted to reform it according to his own personal views. Hence, >reformation.

He obviously got told to fuck off and looked for some feudal lord that could safehaven his ass from incoming Crusade.

It really wasn't any different from previous anti-heretic crusades, like cathars or hussites, except that this time lots of nobles and powerful princes and kings sided with the heretic due to the power politics implications derived from Luther's ideas.

>>3326513
You're wrong, there were sever anti-orthodox groups who essentially said exactly what Luther did in terms of the common Protestant talking points.
Waldo, Wycliffe, Master Erkhart, jan Hus, and others all predate Luther and fall in line with the commonalities of mainline Protestatism, i.e. rejection of Catholic dogma, rejection of Popery, rejection of the doctrine of Transubstantiation, and desire of a biblical vulgate. All of those, except Erkhart, had large followers who would be considered different Protestant sects if they had come in luther's wake. Waldensians, Lollards, and Husites were all popular sects

Jesus

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>>3326901
>Catholicism
>Founded by Jesus
>Protestantism
>Founded by two fat guys and a Frenchman

>>3326916
>catholicism
>founded by anyone but a schismatic pope with a lust for power

The one Jesus founded was the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church.

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>>3326916
>Catholicism
>Jesus

Shit ain't adding up..

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>>3326916
>And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

>>3326172
Keep them as sheeple

>>3326930
Papa is just a fun hyponym. We all know that he is simply the infallible arbiter of God's will on this Earth. We do not pray to the pope, but for him.
We only pray to God, in His three aspects, Mary, the mother of God, and all the Saints in heaven, so they may pray to God for our sake.

It's all there in the bible. The Priest tells me so.

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>>3326946
>this is what papists actually believe

In 100 AD, all Christians were Baptists. Emperor Constantine invented Catholicism centuries later.

>>3326916
>>Catholicism
>Founded by Jesus
Is that what they teach you in those papist churches?

>>3326946
>The Priest tells me so.


Subtle lel