/his/ reading list

Horodotos, Livy, Tacitus, Xenophon, Prokopios

>>3319941
Brown's The World of Late Antiquity, if you want a view that does not blame Christianity for every bad thing in the world.

>>3320701
>Brown's The World of Late Antiquity

I can second this, though I might perhaps suggest that you don't see the history of the period in such a sanitised, optimistic light. Brown has a vested interest in portraying Late Antiquity as a time of cultural flowering and religious outpouring while playing down the general breakdown of society and civilisation that occurred in the period.

>>3320673
Herodotus and Tacitus in particular are really easy to get into, well written and usually honest about when they have doubts about something/don't know about something

>>3320705
After studying the archaeology of late antiquity for two semesters last year I have the observation that surely the standard of living went downhill after the crisis of the third century, but it did so for a reason. The desperate tries of Diocletian, Constantine and their successors to revive the empire were not satisfying in the long run. The lack of innovation brought the end of the empire, but can we really say that a decline in the culture and the society occurred, too?

what are some good books regarding Alexander the great or the first world war?

also is Napoleon A Life a good book? Only heard positive thought so far

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More historically relevant than you would expect.

>>3320776
What I'm trying to say is that it's understandable we'll find the classical Greek and Roman society to be near perfect, considering how their state of hygiene, entertainment, private life etc is so similar to ours. With the advent of Christianity the mindset of the people must have drastically changed, but I see that as a change, or lack of staticity, not degradation.

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The Gate by Francois Bizot (only Westerner to be released from a Red Rouge prison camp) - For the on-the-ground perspective of the Khmer Rouge' takeover of Cambodia. The author has enjoyable prose cut with a poetic insight that never becomes tiresome. Humanizes the entire affair and succeeds at marrying a western and Cambodian perspective that doesn't oversimplify or, frankly, infantalize the traits and outlooks of the Cambodian people like the following book...

Genocide and Democracy in Cambodia: The Khmer Rouge, the United Nations by Ben Kiernan (and others contributors) - As you might gather from the "United Nations" in the title, it provides an overview that can be culturally myopic at times, but written with the best of intentions and a wider scope of the conflict, it's geopolitical context, and the legal/cultural questions that follow engaging genocide.

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Obviously.

>>3320795
You're stuck with a number of varying opinions/options due to his controversial nature and the political/ideological slants people put onto him. Robin Lane Fox's "Alexander the Great" is the popular account but has some errors, Peter Green's "Alexander of Macedon" is more critical of Alexander.

I seriously recommend listening to "The Great Courses" lecture series "Alexander and the Macedonian Empire" by Kenneth Harl. It's an incredible set, providing both a narrative and an analysis of the various sources and slants given over the last several centuries. Just torrent it or abuse the Audible free credit deal.

On the first world war, I hear that "A World Undone" is quite good.

is Guns of august worth reading?

>>3320862
I like how you lowkey push cultural marxism, macfag

>>3321054
>cultural marxism
>>>/pol/

>>3321068
those books will just send you down the road to ruin and starvation. Just like the people who believed in the stuff in them

>>3320946

>I hear that "A World Undone" is quite good.

I would go so far as to call it the best possible introduction to the Great War.

>>3321068
You know, i don't browse pol (last time i went was for the French elections), and i don't even like the term, but you pushed a lot of stuff modern "socialists" like to wank over.

>>3320862
>reading Anglo trash

>>3320701
>>3320705

Bryan Ward-Perkins and Peter Heather would be good modern works that take the opposing view. I think somebody like Guy Halsall or Chris Wickham would be a good go to for a middle way synthetic treatment.

All, Brown very much included, would be worth reading on the period.

>>3321054

How do those books push cultural marxism? Genuine question.

Anyone know any interesting books about Bronze-Age Europe?

>>3320862
>mfw I'm reading the Illumanatus trilogy
the first book was hilarious then got preachy and annoying at the end so I stopped at the second and moved on to "On Killing" by Lt. Col. Dave Grossman

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>>3321498
like this?

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>>3321582

>>3321582
>>3321584
Is there a compilation somewhere of all the /his/ guides?

>>3321593
i save them and post them in threads. would i can upload a zip file if you want

>>3321642
I'd like that very much.
I have been saving them every now and then but sadly there is no wiki like /lit/ has where most/some of them are preserved...

>>3321652
ok i'll do it we should also upload them to the /lit/ wiki, even if we have to make a new section. after all it's historical "literature" and we could make a section for it

>>3321652
ok i made it
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>>3321857
Thank you very much.

>>3321857
thx

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>>3321857
I have some more lists, that are more /lit/ focused. All basically coming from the "Start with the Greeks" meme.

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>>3321915
nice
i'm making one on ancient crete so i'll post that in this thread later maybe

>>3320978
yes

>>3321075
Or you can just not do that?

Bimp

>>3320862
>all this /x/ shit

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>>3319941

>>3321498

Cyprian Broodbank's The Making of the Middle Sea

Has anybody read Brotherhood of Kings? Is it any good if you are not that deep into the ancient middle east?

>>3322361

Herrin's book is god awful.

Do not read Gibbon to learn History, read him if you are interested in him or in the mid-modern historiography, Do not learn your ancient history from Gibbon.

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>>3320795
For Alexander the Great just read pic related. Every other book just uses this info anyway and it's quite an easy read.
If you want to read about the what happened after his death try 'Ghost on the Throne' by James Romm. It's written in an entertaining way and it's incredibly detailed. The fight for his empire was so crazy I'm half sure this is where GRRM got inspiration from.

>>3324582
Don't get this one, get the Landmark Arrian. It's a few dollars more, but you get dozens of tactical maps, geopolitical maps, commentary essays and figures.

>>3320818
>With the advent of Christianity the mindset of the people must have drastically changed, but I see that as a change, or lack of staticity, not degradation.

Yes that is true. Ideas of "degeneracy" and "decadence" are /pol/ tier bullshit.

>>3320776
>but can we really say that a decline in the culture and the society occurred, too?

Only in the traditional, 'classical' sense. Instead of building large monumental structures and sculptures in the cities, the wealthy built basilicas, chapels, elaborate townhouses and fortified castra in the countryside. The standard of living went down somewhat due to the diminishment of overseas trade, debasement of the currency and disruption caused by civil wars and barbarian raids. An actual decline in urban life is certainly visible though by the late 5th century, particularly in certain places such as Britain, Spain and the Illyrian provinces. The populations of many towns naturally withered leading to areas previously built up with housing and monuments falling into ruin, being used for pasture and dumps etc.

I'm looking for some reccs about
>The roman republic
>Christianity in Europe
>Vatican, history of the Church
>Medieval societies
>The 30 years war
>The french restauration
>The Second Empire

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>>3324681
>>The roman republic
Caesar, Life of a Colossus by Adrian goldsworthy
>>Christianity in Europe +History of Church
A History of Christianity by Diarmaid Mcculloch
>Medieval Societies
A History of Private Life Vol 2: Relations of the Medieval World

>>3324779
The two last books look fantastic, thanks
That Caesar biography seems great too though it is not exactly what I'm looking for, never read anything on him so I might start with that one

>>3324818
Check out Ronald Syme's "Roman Revolution", it's a more technical look at the issues of the Republic and the argues the necessity of an Augustus type character.

Reccs on first hand accounts of the Russian Caucasus Army (first hand, operations and memoirs work)

Also recs on some of the Caucasian Wars post 1921. I already have Muratoff and Allen's book.

I have that exact edition, got it at my local bookshop a month ago!

Small world.

I want to read an entry level book on the history of ideas, do you guys have any recommendations?

Related, but the sticky should really have a /his/-related wiki for these kind of threads (a la /lit/).

Not that anyone would read them, but it'd at least give us something to whine about when people don't check it.

>>3319941

Gibbon is a retard, his whole thesis is invalid.

Kim by Kipling
Fiction, but set in a real scenario.

>>3325541
The idea that Christanity was behind the fall was really specious of a claim. In the long run it united the former Roman lands and expanded it to a greater extent in the West only losing ground in the east... Due to Islam which is just like it.

Never rely on a secondary source. If you're going to do this, OP, burn that book immediately. You can buy a new copy, if you must, after reading the main primary sources.

Any other approach is slavish.

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>>3325576
I fucking hate this mentality from pseudo intellectuals

The primary sources are as valuable as the context is given. It's absolutely absurd to think someone can actually grasp the nuances of history just by reading primary sources, and come out relatively accurate. According to this logic we should read Procopius' Secret History and walk away with the idea that Justinian was a manic. Secondary sources provide contexts and frameworks for people to better understand the primary sources. Otherwise the names and locations will blur without being useful.

95% of people reading history books aren't fucking historians, and they aren't making a career out of it. Jesus Christ kill yourself you fucking dickhead

>>3325674
yeah, like why not just read a bunch of Wikipedia articles instead?

>>3320946
>I seriously recommend listening to "The Great Courses" lecture series "Alexander and the Macedonian Empire" by Kenneth Harl. It's an incredible set, providing both a narrative and an analysis of the various sources and slants given over the last several centuries. Just torrent it or abuse the Audible free credit deal.

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>>3325708
Listen you smarmy little fuck, if you can't rationalize how your comparison is inept, then you reveal your grasp on the original sources. I'm sorry you're utterly incapable of providing a solid rebuttal, despite being a master of the sources like the fucking autist you claim to be, then jump off a bridge and slam into the water from a height just enough to cripple you, so you can reflect on how much of a faggoty buildup this all was.

>>3320978

Yes. Follow it up with A World Undone for the whole war.

>>3319941

It's like 3,000 pages long so I doubt you need a new book for awhile.

>>3325674

This. This every time. Beginning with the primary sources is almost always a waste of time, ESPECIALLY if you are just starting out in a particular area of history. It is far more profitable to read the primary sources once you have a good overview from a respected scholarly source or two. Ideally you read secondary literature and refer to the primary source material as you go.

The primary material first approach is justifiable if you are dealing with modern history, but the assumptions/world views/aims/literary strategies and competencies in ancient and medieval works are utterly alien to the uninitiated, that to attempt to grapple with them before having gained a decent grounding in their context from modern works is foolhardy. The sort of pseuds that recommend this approach are usually the sort that chimp out about how we all ought to study STEM subjects and post threads asking whether Egyptians were really black or who would win in a fight between legionaries and ninjas.

>>3320701
Literal cancer that threw the baby out with the bathwater so violent barbarians wouldn't harsh the buzz of a bunch of hippie boomer historians and their sad sack gen x eternal grad student acolytes.

>>3320978
Read sleepwalkers instead, then world undone, as others have suggested

>>3324318
Fake. Read "when China ruled the seas" to learn about the real thing, which is plenty interesting enough. Even that is too credulous about the claims of 450ft oceangoing ships, though. Pointing that out always summons CIDF autists.

>>3324335
Really well written and interesting. The Bronze Age is fascinating and Podany is top class. Her Very Short Introduction to the Ancient Near East is also very good and quick. Sometimes books from that series go on sale on amazon for 2.99.

>>3324681
>Roman Republic
Colleen McCullough's Masters of Rome series of historical fiction
Rubicon by Tom Holland
Mommsen if you want old school

The trilogy:
Muqaddimah by Ibn Khaldun
The New Science by Vico
The Decline of the West by Spengler

>>3320725
>>3320673
Herodotus is just a good read in general. Reminds me of the Holy BIble partly because of how anthological it feels.

It feels that way, because Herodotus has various levels of evidence for the different claims he made as he traveled away from his home of Greece to the Skythians or farther north or East.

You get a view of an extremely diligent historian utilizing the historical method.

I'd even go as far as to say The Histories by Herodotus is a must-read after the Bible for this entire board, even if all the material isn't correct.

>>3326150
>after the bible
"no"

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>>3326150
I agree with this anon. Herodotus was a great read, the best edition is Landmark. Pic related, lots of supplementary material.

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>>3326175
Even if you aren't religious, you should still read it; not just because it is beautifully written (and it is), but because if you are even mildly interested in history knowledge of the Bible will help you understand events and motivations.

>>3326234
i agree but i say reading herodotus is more fruitful for an amateur historian than reading the bible

[/spoiler] i haven't read herodotus or the bible :^( [/spoiler]

>>3326234

>bible
>beautifully written
>"AND SO ISMAIL, SON OF FRANK, FATHER OF BOB, WHO WAS THE FATHER OF JEB, WHO WAS THE FATHER OF BUBBA, WENT TO THE DICKILITES AND SAID UNTO THEM, "GOD HATH SEEN THY DICKS, AND JUDGED THEM GOOD"

Truly world-class poetry.

>>3326259
>Yet man is born unto trouble, as the sparks fly upward
>I am become a brother to dragons, and companion to owls. My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burnt with heat
>The day perish wherein I was born, and the night in which it was said, There is a man child conceived
>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.
These are just one of my favourite ones, there are many more which are just as beautiful.

May you find the happiness which you seek

>>3326277

>There is a man child conceived

I guess you just like it cos you're in it, huh?

>>3327024
is this really something people enjoy? I haven't finished it yet but it wasn't something I would recommend so far but I admit I was looking for more of a streamlined narrative of US history so I suppose someone who already knows that will enjoy this

>>3319941
Read Pirenne's Mohammed and Charlemagne after you finish Gibbon

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>>3327806
>Pirenne

>>3327806

Although bear in mind that the Pirenne thesis has been largely discredited, e.g. McCormick. It is still essential reading, but don't take it as gospel.

What are the best books about Cold war?

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Any good biographies of Sulla? I've already read overview biographies of the late republic that gloss over his life (Caesar - Goldsworthy), (Rubicon - Holland), (Cicero - Everett), etc.

>>3327035
its ok. its good as jumping off point for realizing america isn't a magical utopia created by literal angels and its various fucked up deeds. my issue with him(this coming from leftist) is he goes amerKKKa to often and comes off a tankie shithead at times.

>>3329574
Not that I know of, but Gareth Simpson's "The Collapse of Rome" (stupid title) is a history of the period of Marius, Sulla and the conflicts of 91-70

>>3321567
I liked the second trilogy better.

>>3325541
But his wok is hugely influential, and provided the foundation under most modern histories of Rome -- trying to understand Roman history and how our understanding of it has evolved, without reading Gibbon, would be impossible.

>>3325674
Second!
It is important to read the primary sources, but they are often erroneous, and assume you have a basic knowledge of the period because they were so often written by and for people who lived in that society.

Starting with primary sources can waste a lot of time reading shit that you do not have any context for.

>>3325739
Harsh, bro.

>>3327035
Eh, I'm conservative but I still felt obliged to read it, helps balance out the belief (truth) that America is a shining city on a hill (it is) and the Constitution was a holy document (it is).

>>3326259
To prove that the Bible is poorly written, you make up some fake writing that is not from the Bible.

OK...

Being culturally literate in a culture which refers back to the Bible over and over again is not possible without reading the Book.

>>3329844
Should note it is more of a military history than anything else.

What's a good history of Christianity?

>>3319941
Let's see. I'll pull a list of great books.

>WICKHAM, Chris. Framing the early Middle Ages: Europe and the Mediterranean 400–800 (2005)
Massive book with and extraordinary source work.

>LIVERANI, Mario. Antico Oriente: Storia, società, economía.
Great general read on the mesopotamian civilizations.

>FINLEY, Moses I. The Ancient Economy (1973) and Ancient Slavery and Modern Ideology (1980)
Finley is kind of a paradigm shift in the conceptualizaton of classical antiquity, and he writes rather well. Also, chapter 1 of ancient slavery is a really good read on the historiography of slavery.

>Peter Kriedte, Hans Medick, Jürgen Schlumbohm. Industrialization before Industrialization.
This is an excellent -albeit extremely materialistic- analysis on the rural industry.

>>3320776
>lack of innovation brought the end of the empire
The empire did a gigantic reform to save itself after the third century crisis, I wouldn't say that at all.

>>3320673
>Not Thucydides

>>3330297
cont.
>Trevor Aston and C.H.E. Philpin(ed.). The Brenner Debate: Agrarian Class Structure and Economic Development in Pre-Industrial Europe.

>ANDERSON, Perry. The Absolutist State.

>ELLIOT, John. Empires of the Atlantic World: Britain and Spain in America 1492-1830

>KLEIN, Herbert. African Slavery in Latin America and the Caribbean.

>GARAVAGLIA y MARCHENA. América Latina: de los orígenes a la Independencia.

Suetonius as well. The Twelve Caesars is full of delicious rumor mongering.

>>3330348
Roman writers in general are a delight. I particularly like how they seem to be angry at bad morals all the fucking time.

>>3325674
>Modern editions don't have extensive introductions, maps and comprehensive footnotes.

>>3329574
I assume you read Plutarch?

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Lives/Sulla*.html

>>3321857
YOU'RE A GOOD BOY.

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All these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_History_of_the_United_States

and pic related

>>3324681
>>Christianity in Europe
>>Vatican, history of the Church
>>Medieval societies
>>The 30 years war
If you're up for some of the densest text you've ever encountered, check out
>Europe's Tragedy
>The Heart of Europe
By Peter H. Wilson.

Europe's Tragedy centers on the 30 Years' War, but before it goes into excruciating detail about every minor detail of the war, it spends about 200 pages explaining the historical background of each of the belligerents. It's not even the focus of the book, but the description of Spain's centuries-long decline in that book is probably one of the best I've ever read.

The Heart of Europe covers the history of the HRE. If you think the 30 Years' War book was a tough read, this one's even worse. Because of the scope, both in time and area, it's not broken up chronologically but instead by topic. Wilson picks a single topic to discuss, and then he explores it over the course of the HRE's history (at times going back to Charlemagne) for the duration of the chapter. Because of the central location of the HRE in Europe, you do end up with a lot of incidental knowledge of the rest of Europe, particularly when he talks about things like the Investiture Dispute.

Be warned - while Wilson's books are great, I can't really understate how dry it can be at times. The 30 Years' War book at least goes chronologically, which makes it easier, but holy shit the Heart of Europe dryer than a textbook.

Has anyone read India: A History by John Keay? I'm looking for an introduction into the region's history and I found that and his China book. His China book was fine, but I'm wondering if the India one is good as well.

>>3330079
Anyone?

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>>3327024
I'm a liberal and I hate this book so goddamn much. It reminds me of the Chapter Black tape from Yu Yu Hakusho. Basically America can do no right.

Pic related is the author of the book's real name and what he looks like.

>>3330943
These are really good books.

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>>3331026
I enjoyed Heart of Europe. Though you are right, you need to be a lover of history to truly enjoy it. It does have a chronology in the back of the book. Would recommend reading that before you get into the actual book. It makes things a lot easier to understand.

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Dumping mine. Book on Western thought from the Greeks up until the 1940s.

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Pretty good book on Andrew Jackson, probably the most influential man on mid 19th century America.

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Goes into some of the myths on how the Spanish conquest happened in Latin America. Shit like how the Spanish conquered Latin America on their own.

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Good book on the beginnings of England up until just before the Tudors. Sort of can explain the War of the Roses well.

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History of Africa. As in from how Africa formed as a continent up to after colonialism and a little bit in the modern era. Written in the mid 90s and he stops a little before then.

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Good bio on Bismark. Critical of the man but doesn't butt fuck him or anything like that.

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Good book on the history of Latin America. Author is a lefty, and it shows, but he does make attempts to portray the history fair. It's basically history of Latin America from the POV of a Latin American.

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Good short book on the Civil War. Less than 300 pages.

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Great bio on Caesar. Doesn't shit on him, but doesn't make him into a myth either. Even goes into him being a possible boy toy of some Greek dude.

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Best book on the Civil War I've read. Goes from after the Mexican American War all the way to after Lincoln is killed. Covers almost every little detail one can think of during that time period.

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Goes into the Comanche tribe and the Texas-Comanche conflict.

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Good book on the history of Islam told from the POV of someone that grew up in Afghanistan. Doesn't shy away from the bad shit, but does give the POV of how Muslims view Islamic history.

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Famous book on how the US got into Vietnam and all of the pitfalls with it.

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Good book on WWI

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Book I'm reading now. Good book, basically any Oxford history series caliber like Battle Cry of Freedom.

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German history from 1866 to 1945. Basically Kaiserreich to defeat in WWII. Covers society and culture as well as historical events. Very good book.

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History of Western Philosophy. A little more dense than Bertrand Russel's book. Not as opinionated.

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Best bios I've ever read on Hitler. Goes from birth all the way to death. Goes into detail about how Nazi Germany worked too.

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Goes into German colonization and what they did in West Africa.

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Just a general history on the Vikings. The English and French chapters are more interesting.

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Great book on what happened in the Congo Free State and how it happened. It inspired a documentary.

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Best book I've read on the Korean War. Goes into Kim Il Sung and Mao's thought process too.

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Book about Lincoln and his relationships with his generals.

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Good read but dry at times on WWI

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Decent book on the life of Muhammad. Can get a little apologetic at times.

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Good bio on Napoleon. Doesn't ride his dick but doesn't butt fuck him either.

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Talks about the Persian invasion of Greece, both of them. Gets a little graphic too.

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Very dense book on the Reformation. Would recommend watching a documentary or something lighter before tackling this one.

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Book on the relationship between Churchill and Roosevelt and how good of friends they were.

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Decent book on Sam Houston. Dude was a cradle robber.

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Book on Stalin after the Soviet archives were opened by a Russian dude. The man did not like Stalin.

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Great book on the Revolution. Goes from the French and Indian War, Seven Years War for you European types, all the way to ratification of the Constitution.

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excellent book on the Sino-Japanese war, its buildup and its aftermath.

It does focus far more on the civilian and political side of the conflict than on the military side, but thats okay really.

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One of the best books I've ever read. I cannot stress how much I enjoyed this book. Very well written, well researched, and it just flows so well.

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Why people in Vietnam joined the VC/NLF

>>3331781
So was Manchuria a part of China, or was it like a client state. How did that work?

>>3331787

If you're referring to Manchuria pre-annexation by the Japanese, it was a warlord state nominally part of the Republic of China, but really a semi-independent province that even by warlord standards had a lot of autonomy. This was mostly because of the fragile geopolitical situation there (both the Japanese and the Soviets had considerable influence in the region) and Zhang Xueliang's desire not to cooperate too much with the central government (until he started shit with the Russians, and crawled to daddy Chiang asking for help)

>>3331787
Pffft client state? Every Asian is equal in glorious Co-Prosperity Sphere!
t. Japanese.

>>3331047
It's not as good as his China one. I haven't found a good intro Indian history book desu. It's a hard subject to write about because we don't have any contemporary histories to work from until the muzzies roll in

Is there a link to somewhere where I can download lots of these books? I saw /pol/ had a mega link with like 300 books. Anything similiar here?

>>3329574
Badian, E. 1970. Lucius Sulla: The deadly reformer. Sydney: Sydney Univ. Press.
>A powerful indictment of Sulla. Although no more than a brief sketch of his career, this essay stresses the darker side: Sulla's unprecedented march on Rome, the proscriptions and massacres, the confiscation of property and repression of opponents, and the reforms that turned the government over to self-serving and incompetent successors.
Keaveney, Arthur. 2005. Sulla: The last republican. 2d ed. London: Routledge.
>This readable biography is conversant with the important scholarship but also accessible to the general reader. Keaveney's portrait of Sulla is a generally positive one, arguing for the legitimacy and justifiability of his actions and religious convictions in terms of contemporary perceptions.

>>3329891
>helps balance out the belief (truth) that America is a shining city on a hill (it is) and the Constitution was a holy document (it is).
kys

>>3331929
this
https://mega.nz/#F!dlZlDbqL!TXG5bGvWufONkrQAL7b7jA
a lot of the books mentioned in this thread aren't in here but there are several thousand books to download uploaded by a /his/torian

Is reading the illiad worth it?

>>3332467
If you want to understand what ancient Greeks valued and how they viewed the world.

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Did shit from the Scientific Revolution in Europe get discovered independently elsewhere? Shit like what Newton(laws of motion, how gravity works, orbits), Copernicus(heliocentrism), Galileo(Jupiter's moons, free fall), etc did. I have heard that heliocentrism might have actually been discovered in the Islamic world before Copernicus and I was wondering if places like China or India had discovered Galileo and Newton's works independently. As well as other places.

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The definitive military of the American Civil War. Only complaint is that there isn't an audiobook version narrated by Shelby Foote.

>>3332538
You were supposed to start a new thread you fucking retard!

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Anyone with an interest in late 15th - early 17th military history should give this a read. It's a collection of essays discussion and debating the changes in European military during the period. Decent chance you'll find a copy in your library if you're at a university; it's a short read as well which is nice.

>>3332467
Yes. The Iliad is probably the most widely read and looked at work in the Ancient World until the rise of Christianity. Alexander the Great carried a copy annotated by Aristotle along with his travels across Asia. It's important mainly for understanding the values of war and honor of Greeks.

My recommendation is the Lattimore translation, in this edition http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/I/bo5811519.html

Lattimore is more of a literal translation, and it has a >100 page introduction on the work and the ways it has been and is interpreted. That's what my professor, who had his dissertation done on greek epics, recommended.

It honestly, barring the whole Catalogue of the Ships section, is a really good read even now. It's one solid narrative with a collection of smaller biographies about the men who fight (and mostly die). It's very tragic, while at the same time cherishes war.

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>>3319941
If anyone is interested in Arms and Armor, I would recommend anything by Ewart Oakeshott.

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>>3320862
Fucking commie trash

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What are some thoughts on the Cambridge Classics or Blackwell Companions? I was looking to pick one up since I wanted something more "cerebral" than popular works

anyone else fell for the meme and read mary beard's SPQR? It was really hard to get through for me but I was surprised since so many recommended it.

I'm reading Tom holland's Rubicon now, is there any other of his work worth checking out?

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>>3331026
>>3331679
I quite enjoy these. A whole new appreciation for the era.

I also enjoyed Danubia by Simon Winder and picture related.

>>3332756

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>>3332756
I've been looking for The Faithful Executioner for a really long time, got a link?

>>3332632
Persian Fire above is pretty good. He had some documentary on Muhammad that I think aired on Channel 4 in the UK. For the life of me I have no idea what the fuck his point was supposed to be. Something along the lines of, "We don't know what really happened in early Islam," or some shit like that.

>>3332821
>Persian fire

yes I was thinking of reading that one too, the ratings were pretty steady

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>>3332142
>>3330654
>>3329844

Thanks for the recommendations I'm going to check a few of these out.

>>3331026
That sounds good, thank you

>>3332467
>Is reading the illiad worth it?

Christ. Yes.

It's the one book I would recommend anyone on this board read before coming here. Half of Ancient Greek culture stems from it.

>>3332821
>Persian Fire above is pretty good

I can second this. I have it somewhere and thought it was a cracking good introduction to the Achaemenids and Greeks.

>>3332779
I bought it at a store.

>>3326175
>on /his/
>not Orthodox
What are you doing here, buddy?

>>3331704
I'll second this one, I read it for a class, author's bias aside it's really good

>>3333239
he's being euphoric

>>3332632
I liked SPQR but I tend to hate the "narrative" history that some many amateur historians love.

>>3334632
What do you mean by narrative. Like overarching themes that make it easily digestible? Or writing the history as if it were a story?

>>3334717
writing the history as if it were a story, Adrian Goldsworthy comes to mind (although I like his stuff). I found SPQR refreshing because it seemed much more conversational as if she was telling me about what historians thought about rome.

>>3334841
Stories sell better. It makes it easier to digest and the reader can relate to the people in history better. It also makes turning the pages easier.

I got a free book from audible and I got Gulag Archipelago. I plan on listening to that in the car and bus. Does /his/ approve?

>>3335172
Jordan Peterson does. It's long though

>>3335172
>>3335183
672 pages

>>3332908
It's a good book

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this is pretty good

>>3335596
How far back does it go?

>>3326277
it all sounds trite to me, what do you like about these quotes, what do you read in them?

>>3336166
not him, but it starts at the beginning of the ottoman empire, briefly describing the structures that maintained it and how it set the stage for present events. It really starts covering in depth around 1800 onward describing Late Ottoman Empire, Tanzimat, Muhammed Ali, Qajars, etc. That said it goes most in depth into 20th century matters.

>>3336739
>Muhammed Ali
One of these things is not like the other

>>3331716
this book got me into Tamerlane.

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>In the past few decades, this ideological mission has morphed into “presentism,”academically sponsored effort to narrate the past in terms of the present and thereby reinterpret it to serve contemporary “multicultural,” “diversity,” and “peace” studies, which necessitate rejecting as retrograde, chauvinistic, or, worse, “conservative” any view of the past that may conflict with the progressive agenda. Thus it is stupendous to see how some academic specialists turn and twist to downplay religion as the motivating force in Muslim conquests, and even to question the invasion of Spain by Muslim Arab-led Berbers as the conquest of one culture and its religion by another.

>>3333239
>2017
>not Southern Baptist

>>3332632
Dynasty, the follow-up to Rubicon is fine as well.

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>>3337502
>designed shabbos goyim
No thank you.

>>3325739
You seem cross

>>3321917
>>3321922
>>3321926
Is there any of these for Egyptian history? I wanted to learn more about Egyptian Wars, their mythology/gods, and Pharaohs(especially Ramesses II )

>>3338568
Following my own comment up.
I was wondering if anyone has read the Rise and Fall of Ancient Egypt by Toby Wilkonsin? I thought it looked like a good starting point to get a large view of Egypt

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>>3319941
My classics professor wrote the edited version of Gibbon's Decline and Fall. He basically just removed all the major battles and wars and briefly summarized them to make a large one volume version.

Professor Molinarius is a boss and he has 4 hot daughters.

>>3338605
I've read it - it's very good. Like most general history books, you sacrifice most details for a better overall view of Egypt, but it's great at providing a foundation for further reading. And even though it's very general, it still does a surprisingly good job at covering some of the more famous aspects of Ancient Egypt like
>Old Kingdom pyramid building
>Ramses II, Akenaten, Tutankhamun, and other famous figures
>Battle of Kadesh
>Cleopatra and end of Ptolemaic period

Anyone got any books or resources on Migration Era Europe/Middle East?

>>3338779
As in around the time of the Late Roman Empire into the early Middle Ages?

>>3338880
As in anything between 300-900 AD

>>3338912
Peter Heather's "Rome and the Barbarians"
The "Fall of Rome" podcast
Cambridge Companion to Age of Atilla

>>3338912
Well in that case, there's "Empires and Barbarians" by Peter Heather. It's a fairly dry and difficult read at times, but it focuses on the migration period in Europe and how the foundations of modern Europe were set. It's an excellent resource.

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>>3338779
Peter Heather is good for this.

>>3337856
lol

>>3337429
the boxer "cassius clay" changed his name to muhammad ali because of him
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_of_Egypt

>>3324623
The Landmark books should be the most whored things on this board. Fucking phenomenal. You get another map every few pages. Every single instance of a place name is footnoted to the nearest map. It's like it's designed for autists

>>3326191
>>3339727
Oh okay nvm this guy is on it :)

>>3337856
I don't think you really 'get' Christianity do you?

>>3339749
>the point of Christianity is to be a good goy and serve the chosen folk
Really activates those almonds

Arabs: A History

>>3338630
Did you bang em?

>>3331766
>>3330079

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>>3341543
spanish civil war p2

/his/ I am looking for a quality book on the history of the british isles. Something that is sufficiently broad to give me a taste of different periods.

Period specific books also very welcome!

>>3326121
>ibn Khaldun
my ummahniggah!

>>3331759
>written by a woman
>gets apologetic about a pedophile warlord
what.a.surprise

>>3341748
The Plantagenet series by THomas B. Costain is pretty good but obviously just about that specific time period.

>>3341748
>>3331695

>>3341837
It's actually not that bad of a book. Pretty easy page turner. The apologetics aren't horrible, and if you want a book that isn't "The Prophet was the perfect human being" or "That dirty sandnigger was the worst human ever" it's pretty good.

someone rec something on Capetian France?

>>3341748
Churchill's multi-volume History of the English Speaking Peoples does the job. There's also Simon Schama's History of Britain series but works less well as an overview imo.

>>3342137
Wood, Charles T. The French Apanages and the Capetian Monarchy, 1224–1328. Cambridge, MA: Harvard University Press, 1966.
>Study of the Capetian practice of granting territorial principalities to younger sons of the royal house (apanages); compare with Small 1993.
Hallam, Elizabeth M., and Judith Everard. Capetian France, 987–1328. 2d ed. Harlow, UK: Pearson, 2001.
>Provides a chronological narrative of the rise of the Capetians, with large number of maps and chapter bibliographies.

Fawtier, Robert. The Capetian Kings of France: Monarchy and Nation, 987–1328. Translated by Lionel Butler and R. J. Adam. London: Macmillan, 1960.
>English translation of Capetiens et la France, originally published in 1942. Presents a strongly monarchist perspective about the creation of the realm.
Spiegel, Gabrielle M. The Past as Text: The Theory and Practice of Medieval Historiography. Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1997.
>A collection of Spiegel’s revised articles; including key treatments of Capetian royal ideology, notably “The Reditus Regni ad Stirpem Karoli Magni: A New Look” and “The Cult of Saint Denis and Capetian Kingship.”

>>3342224
Which one you recommend?

>>3343057
hallam or fawtier just by the looks of the descriptions. i'd favor hallam only because it'd probably be more updated

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Entertaining book

>>3319941
Any philosophy image macros?

I want to learn more.

>>3343251
>>3331739
>>3331682

Start here

>>3343181
But completely riddled with errors and entry-level mistakes. A meme book

>>3343495
I had to read it for one of my classes.

>>3343586
Kindergarten can be hard at times.

>>3343785
Oooooooh you're funny

Any good books about how Harems (like the Ottoman and Chinese ones) operated?

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>>3344238
Abbot, Nabia. Two Queens of Baghdad: Mother and Wife of Hārūn al-Rashīd. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1946.
>An account based on narrative sources of the lives and times of Khayzuran, the concubine of the caliph al-Mahdi, and Zubayda, the Abbasid princess who married Harun al-Rashid. It paints a vivid image of the Abbasid court and its harem that is still enjoyable to read in the early 21st century.
Kennedy, Hugh. When Baghdad Ruled the Muslim World: The Rise and Fall of Islam’s Greatest Dynasty. Cambridge, MA: Da Capo, 2005.
>A skillfully written account of the height of the Abbasids and its heartland Baghdad with rich details of the palace life, the caliphs, viziers, generals, eunuchs, and women of the harem.

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>>3344255

>>3344252
>>3344254
>>3344255
>>3344257

thanks for the sources about the ottoman ones

Is there any books about the harems of east asian societies like China/Japan/Korea? I rarely see discussions about literary and academic sources about East Asian History

>>3344294
maybe something in one of these books?
http://intranet.ames.cam.ac.uk/jbib/edosoc5.html
http://intranet.ames.cam.ac.uk/jbib/meijisoc4.html

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>>3344332
Mann, Susan. “Women, Families, and Gender Relations.” In The Cambridge History of China. Vol. 9, The Ch’ing Empire to 1800: Part 1. Edited by Willard J. Peterson, 428–472. Cambridge, UK: Cambridge University Press, 2002.
>An excellent survey of aspects of daily life that have been the focus of much research in recent years, including gender studies of both women and men, but also with an eye to how occupational patterns influenced daily life. To some degree dependent on how families and persons are depicted in literature and art. Note later studies by the author to complement this survey.
DOI: 10.1017/CHOL9780521243346

will also post these pics on gender that "may" talk about harems. haven't read the stuff myself though

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>>3344341

Anyone have something good on the sengoku period? Preferably something not too focused on the three unifiers, I have a general idea of how that part worked.

>>3338630
>abridged Decline and Fall's

Fucking disgusting. Next thing you'll tell me took out the "footnotes" which are the best things about the work.

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I'll always plug Will Durant.

>>3346095
What's it about?

>>3321857
>that Hungarian history chart
Thank you so much.

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>>3319941

>>3319941
Is this post bait? A podcaster recommending fucking Edward Gibbon?

Don't read Gibbon. He's an outdated relic with zero relevance to modern scholarship.

>>3321054
>>3332593
>I saw Chomsky's face and understood literally nothing else in the picture
The western esoteric and philosophical tradition is as important to our development as our scientific tradition. Educate yourselves, you fools.

Anyone got any good resources on the Ogaden War?

>>3348200

Edward Gibbon is basically the entire reason why Rome became such a topic of interest again. Any Romaboo owes Gibbon a great debt.

how can we be sure that Herodotus and Tacitus aren't fake news/shitposters of their time? it's the first thing people cite today when they want to make a point about something that they said. Just because rome and greece's rivals could barely write?

>>3348655

>how can we be sure that Herodotus and Tacitus aren't fake news/shitposters of their time?

We can't. This is why archaeological evidence is so important. It doesn't help matters that 99% of Roman writing is gone so we don't have a lot of different sources to compare. For example, we only have 1 intact example of Cato the Younger's writing. Everything else we know about him comes from what other people wrote about him. All we have from the man himself is 1 letter that he wrote to Cicero, and we don't even have the entire letter.

>>3320795
>also is Napoleon A Life a good book? Only heard positive thought so far
Yes.

For WWI read The Sleepwalkers by Christopher Clark.

Everyone should read "A Hangman's Diary" and "Egil's Saga" at some point, both are incredibly good reads

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posted this in another thread. might get more bites here
looking for a good book that isn't too dry on any of the following
>The mongols
>the seven years war
>Charles XII
>the 30 years war
>the war of the roses
>the meiji restoration
>the history of spain

Anybody got anything good on India and China? Also, British India would be good too.

>>3348200
Duncan recommends him all the time but more out of sentimental reasons

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>>3337429
>not knowing about my boy

>>3348606
And Socrates was important for imparting upon the Western world the importance of medical understanding.

Doesn't mean you should be learning about humors.

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Anyone read this work? I found it delightfully revealing.

>>3348777
If you're looking for a general history and don't really have any background, China: A History by John Keay is a good place to start.

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>>3348901
>And Socrates was important for imparting upon the Western world the importance of medical understanding.
You mean hippocrates or galen

>>3348734
see pic related

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>>3349187
woops pt 1 here

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>>3349193

What are some good books on the Renaissance and their artists?

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Is Durant's Story of Civilisation just a meme?

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So I've read both the Iliad and the Odyssey and am quite obviously interested in classical reading, what next /his/?

>>3336259
Because they are simply yet wordy.

They might sound trite to you just like the works of Shakespeare could, they have been used and referenced so much they become cliches.

>>3351127
Hesiod's "Work&Days" and "Theogony".
Then move on to Aeschylus' lyrical dramas, Sophocles' tragedies and Aristophanes' comedies.
You could also get into the history books of the time and read Herodotus' "Histories", Xenophon's "Anabis" and Thucydides' "Peloponessian War".
And of course there is always Greek philosophy.

>>3351644
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check those out.

Any good books that detail Roman tactics?

>>3351127
You could also read the Aeneid, which is Virgil's 1st century reboot to incorporate Rome into the
Homeric tradition.

>>3331026
>>Europe's Tragedy
>>The Heart of Europe
>By Peter H. Wilson.

Dumb question but is the"The Holy Roman Empire: A Thousand Years of Europe" by Peter H. Wilson the same book as the "The Heart of Europe" only different editions? Because that's the one I keep finding in stores.

Same with " The Thirty Years War: Europe's Tragedy" & "Europe's Tragedy: A New History of the Thirty Years War" ?

Always wanted to check out Wilson, I heard good thing about him.

>>3351815
I really have no idea, but for both of those I'm referring to the later editions/titles.

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>>3351815

Based on goodreads they are the same book but by different publishers so go for it Anon.

Also for the Prussiaboos I rather liked the Iron Kingdom by Cris Clark. It can get dry as fuck and it's a bit hard to read if you don't already know some of the stuff about Prussia but it's really comprehensive read about it's history.

What is the most complete, not too biased and interesting biography of Napoleon? I've seen Andrew Roberts being mentionned often but as I can read french, I'm wondering if i could thing something even better written in french

>>3351874
lefebvre the marxist historian's work on napoleon is a classic french work on the subject. Napoléon, ou Le mythe du sauveur by Tulard is by a great contemporary historian on the man.

>>3331708
Seconded. Going to check out this author's book on Augustus later. Right now I'm reading his take on The Punic Wars.

>>3331682
quite liked this book even if Russel's ideas are very much a product of their time

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I want some good reads on both the Russian Revolution and Mao's revolution in China. Any recommendations?

>>3353947

"The Russian Revolution: A New History" by Sean McMeekin

"Mao: The Unknown Story" by Jung Chang

>>3353962
thank you senpai

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Any good comprehensive books about the history of the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth?

Or just books about Poland before shit hit the fan?

>>3355316
I remember somebody recommending "God's Playground" in another thread. I think the first book covers the period up to 1795, so that's probably what you want.

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My father has the Michelet chronicles on the French revolution stashed in his library. Hopefully they'll go to me since I'm the only histroy-fag son.

They're a retelling of the French revolution by someone who more or less lived through them, and had also written on French history enough that his books explain how the French revolution was the natural continuation to French history.

The Northmen: A Viking Saga by John Haywood is pretty good read about the vikings.

>>3331702
My man, reading it currently, although have had it since about 2014 without doing so

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Really interesting analysis of the period. Provides a new idea of a decade of 'Civil Wars' between various factions which don't really fit into the Bolshevik against White dichotomy.

Anyone else read it? Thoughts?

>>3355709
Also read 'I Was Dr. Mengeles Assistant' recently. good enough read if you want to see it from the point of view of the Jewish inmate who preformed the autopsies

>>3348222
>The western esoteric and philosophical tradition is as important to our development as our scientific tradition.
Lol. Not really. Actually not at all, you deluded retard. Jung is probably the most 'scientific' author on that list and his work is irrelevant as fuck and always was. Go Freud and Bernays.
Non of the shit on that list appart from Chomsky and maybe MacLuhan was or is in any form relevant to politics or society. Damn pleb.

War and Peace by Tolstoy

Best book I read my whole life, I think.

>>3351127
This. >>3351773
Or try Ovid.
And later at some point, for a change of pace, go for Dante.

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new chart on norman sicily

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