Are the Muslims in Myanmar doing what the American colonists

>>3317875
They are only doing what Muslims always do.

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>>3317875
No.

More like Myanmar is a fucking mess. It's barely even a unified country. It's government is prone to apeshit massacres to keep rebelling minorities down.

>>3317875
No. What's happening in Myanmar is basically what happens when a multiethnic kingdom loses its monarchy and goes "M-M-MUH NATION" and alienates all its component ethnicities.

>>3318365
this
all mudslimes overstand about foreign territory is to have dispossessive birth rates and engage in violence/forcible conversion. islam has not expanded in other ways.

>>3318422

This. this is also why it would be retarded to get ride of the monarchy in England.

So what kind of people this Rohingya anyway? Bangladesh are muslim but they don't want him. Most SEA are muslims but they refuse to give them place. And now it seems someone armed them and ready to counter those buddhist.

>>3318818
Rohingya pretty much came to Burma in the 1700s seeking shelter from massacres by Hindus in what is now Bangladesh/That weird Eastern bit of India.

>And now it seems someone armed them and ready to counter those buddhist.
See >>3318403

All of Burma's Ethnic Groups hate the government. Buddhists used to get massacred themselves until the Government appeased them.

>>3318818
bangaldesh is unironically "fuck off we're full" though

It's unfair to expect anything but the strongest nations to withstand the hardships and burdens of multiculturalism.

It just doesn't work without a lot of excess resources to keep it running or a brutal system to keep everyone in line.

>>3318818
Indonesia actually takes in Rohingyas.

Except it pissess off Australia because Australia thinks they'd just throw Rohingyas to them.

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>>3318905
SEA muslims don't like them since they're racially different to them and prone to crime, or so I hear from a Malaysian

>>3318911
>>3318818

>>3318911
>Malaysia
Malaysians are pretty much Saudi-tier Islamists that are racist as fuck and export terror to the Philippines.

>>3318818
Bangladeshis imported by Britain during colonialism. Western media and rohingya sympathizers (gulf arabs) uses historical records of muslim traders in myanmar as evidence of relatively ancient presence, but the fact of the matter is these were mostly merchants who were significant minorities and the vast majority of muslims aka rohingya in Myanmar today are decedents of laborers imported during the British imperial era

>>3318818
Why not send them to England? It was a former British colony, and there is plenty of place there.

>>3318972
Pakistan is already all over that.

Why aren't they received in Saudi Arabia or the like?

>>3318972
>>3319011
Send them to the Falklands.

>>3319011
Even better. They'll finally feel at home

>>3318972
No, fuck off, we're full.

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>>3319072
Population density of 259 people per square kilometre. I'm sure you can squeeze a few dozen millions people in there.

>>3319013
They are

>>3317875
I don't care what they're doing, the Buddhists in Myanmar killing Muslims that's based as fuck. Myanmar and the Buddhists don't give a fuck about international law fucking based.

>>3319087
Not him but space isn't the only resource needed to support a population.

Also a country becomes overpopulated the moment average standards of living have to drop to accommodate more people and most of the world is already beyond that point, arguably even Canada. There is no economic necessity nor any moral obligation to open borders to mass immigration.

>>3319130
The UK could just create more money, and debt to buy the resources it need. From what I've noticed debts is pretty much meaningless.

>>3318422
fucking anglo ruined it

>>3318828
Most of the Rohingya now are recent births in Burma. But most of their lineage goes back to around 19th century, not 1700s. The british labor imports happened around that time and made the local Rakine into a minority.

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>>3318893
myanmar is already a hugely multicultural "nation". Also, there are huge areas of land within that are controlled by alternative governments many of which have their own judiciary and education systems.

The history of the region is fascinating. Bertil Lintner's books are well worth reading.

I'm also currently reading about the Kachin/Jingphaws and their history is essentially like Game of Thrones, complete with powerful families paying allegiance to each other, the clans names from the pre-modern period are still widely used today.

>>3317875
The Muslim calls out for peace as he kills your family.

>>3319115
>fucking based
fuck off reddit

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>>3319115
So based! Le MAGA le kill shitskins le DEUS VULT le Trump XD

Btw, here's a very cool place to discuss this :)

>>>/pol/

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>>3320384
>>3320401
Christ way to get baited you seething Muslims.

>>3320407
I was only pretending to be retarded

>>3320411
Are you sure?

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>>3320503
Are you?

>>3318546
Islam expanded primarily through trade. This is /his/, not r/atheism.

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>>3320541
Well-delivered. Made me laugh.

>>3319115
That's so based, man, DEUS VULT!!

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>>3320603
>>3320401
>>3320384
>calling someone reddit while acting like a redditor with "le sarcasm"

The Hindus and Buddhists have fought mudslimes for hundreds of years, the mudslime must be exterminated because he knows nothing but violence.
You could say that's what they say about everyone else but relgions can come together and agree that for the good of mankind the mudslime must die.
When you don't stop them, shit like when Tamerlane genocided the Indians and created what is now Pakistan happens.

Only the fucking formerly Catholic and Protestant countries want to extend a hand to these subhumans and succumb to their tactic of bitching while they kill you.
Because they get to live far from the mudslimes and don't know what it's like for the Orthodox Christians, Jews, Hindus, and Buddhists to be constantly defending themselves against these subhumans for centuries.

Kill the mudslime, for all of mankind.

>>3320610
I've never been to reddit in my life. You can know the difference between the 4chan post and the reddit post only if you regularly go to reddit.

>>3320630
Yeah, dude, Muslims are so violent. After all, it were the Muslims who have started both of the World Wars.

>>3320642
You can use reddit without being a fucking faggot everywhere you go like you.

>>3320649
>bbbbbut white people in Europe warred with each other and also Japan and China and South America
>just forget about the centuries of conquest and genocide by mudsline subhumans against everyone else
Fucking Reddit

>>3320582

You mean war.

>>3320649

>dies in terrorist attack
>but what about the world wars? I totally dont mind this truck running me over

>>3320657
>Fucking Reddit

Not an argument. By the way, only 1 out of 30 of the most violent military conflicts in history was started by the Muslims: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

>>3320675
Compare the number of people run over with trucks by Muslims with the number of people killed in both World Wars.

>>3320682
We really should seriously start taking measure against the Chinks.

>>3320668
No, I mean trade. Indonesia, a country with the largest Muslim population, has never been colonized by a Muslim empire. It became Muslim because Muslim traders introduced Islam to this region.

>>3318828
>Massacres by Hindus
Got any citation for this?

>>3320675
>who cares if non-Muslim Europeans started the two most deadliest wars in human history? A couple of Muslims have recently run over several dozens of people with trucks, that means that they are definitely more violent!

>>3320700
subsaharan africa is another example of this

>>3320610
This post is too true.

>>3320713
>Muslims currently rampaging throughout the world
>b-but muh 70 year old wars

Your kind should be put to the death

>>3320692
>>3320675

>I totally dont mind getting killed because somebody else who no longer exists in the past did something worse and he wasn't even a muslim!

Ok

>>3318893
Lol no. A crippled and amputated post-partition India was able to handle it with only a little strife. This is a country that was struggling to feed it's population. Yes, there were riots and blood shed but if any western country had experienced even half the poverty and bad infrastructure with even half the diversity of ethnicity, religion and culture living in as close quarters they would've had a civil war that would wipe out more than half their populations. Europeans Christians and Arabic Mulsims are incapable of living with any other culture unless they're rich or living in ghettos. Only America has proven somewhat good at this.

Both Arabs and whites have huge supremacist tendencies which led them to accepting highly proselytizing religions as a way to conquer and colonize in the name of god. People think that it's the religion that's the problem but they're only a way to express their inherent biases.

>>3320755
>>3320756
What are you doing on this board, if you think that human history doesn't tell us anything about human nature?

>>3318972
>Why not send them to England?
Because England already has plenty of "oppressed" uppity muslims who refuse to answer to the kuffar already. Why not send them to Saudi Arabia or even better Bangladesh?

>>3320755
>>3320756
This is a history board, it's not a board about current events

>>3320713

So if I kill you right now it is totally okey because do you know how many people died in WW2??!?

Besides, muslims also fought in WW2.

>>3320796
>>3320778

What are you doing on this board if you can't objectively discuss history simply because of a group's religion?

>>3320802
What are you doing on this board, if you can't objectively discuss history simply because of belonging to a group's ethnicity?

>>3320802
But the muslims are mistreating the Buddhist because they're considered dirty atheists and idolaters by the koran. Muslims mistreating non Muslims everywhere they go is common in history.

>>3320810

I can

>>3318924
Didn't this whole conflict with the Buddhists start after they gave the Rohingya weapons to defend Burma during WWII and instead the Rohingya used them to start slaughtering the Buddhists?

>imported to a foreign land by the Eterna A*glo
>try to kill everyone
>create insurgency to break away and join Bangladesh who doesn't want you
>whaaaa why are they killing us

>>3320784
Not an argument. If Muslims being oppressed is a problem, just replace the native population.

Saudi Arabia isn't self sufficient for food and water, and they are slowing eating away their oil money, so it isn't a good place to resettle them. And Bangladesh is over populated. England is the best place on earth for them and everybody.

>>3320649
that was g*rmans, who are the worst

>>3320853
Muslims aren't being oppressed they are doing the oppression.

>>3320744
Go ahead and post literally any pro-Hitler opinions on reddit and watch yourself get banned in a minute.

>>3320888
Then just let them do the oppression. It's part of their culture and tradition.

>>3320890
No we are full.

>>3320896
Just leave your shitty island and give it to people who need it more than you.

>>3320915
No

>>3320918
Why?

>>3320924
Because I need it and it doesn't belong to Muslims

>>3320888
>Muslims aren't being oppressed they are doing the oppression.
Really. When did they take over the government and military?

>>3320930
Neither does it belong to you. You can also emigrate to Australia or New Zealand if you don't want to live with them.

>>3320938
No it does belong to me.
>>3320931
>Muslims need control of police and military to make life impossible for their neighbors
"No'

>>3320945
>No it does belong to me.
Are you a land owner?

>>3320954
Yes. But even if I wasn't, English soil for the english. If the subhuman sand niggers want it they will have to attempt to conquer it through war. And they will fail.

>>3320945
> No it does belong to me.
Akchually, it belongs to pre PIE baskid peoples

>>3320966
How insecure are you? I'm sure you never lived amongst Muslims.

>>3320888
Some Muslims are being oppressed, some Muslims are doing the oppression.

>>3320991
You'd be wrong.

Anyone with half a brain is apprehensive of a muslim population within their proximity. Unless of course they're muslims themselves.

Your taqiyya will not work Ahmed. Refugees not welcome and reconquista is coming.

>>3321003
>Anyone with half a brain
Nice way to say racism. I hope you find the other half of your brain, and stop being so bigoted.

>>3321015
There is nothing wrong with being racist and bigoted.

>>3321070
It's wrong in modern time. Technology has made impossible to not have a multiculti global society. You can't have your cake and eat it to.

>>3321084
Technology has also made it possible to not have a multicultural society. We don't want any more shitskin invaders.

>>3321003
>Muh taqiyya

You still at it?

>Anyone with half a brain is apprehensive of a muslim population within their proximity. Unless of course they're muslims themselves.

The fact that Islam turned into a nation-founding religion aNd then started bombing random places in the Western World doesn't mean that any and all Muslims everywhere are obsessed with exterminate all infidels. You repeating that Muslims only want to kill constantly until your face turns blue does not make it true.

>>3321101
It is true. Muslims are "oppressed" and "provoked" everywhere they go and there is absolutely no good reason to have them around. Ever.

>>3321015
Bigotry also means intolerance of ideas, which is characteristic of the so-called anti-bigots who suppress the mere suggestion of group differences.

>>3321119
Even if, that is hardly equivalent to bigotry against a person or a group because of their identity or race, facets that can't simply be changed.

>>3321111
>Muslims are "oppressed" and "provoked" everywhere they go.

They weren't until they heart of their religion happened to be the one with control over the largest deposit of world's fuel. Before then, either they emigrated, created communities and nobody gave a crap about them; orconverted populations, either peacefully (Comoros; Kilwa) or by the sword (their start).

I know where you want to go, but, please, do better than this.

>>3321168
Religion is a choice.

>Everyone making this shit about religion when it's more of a case of ethnic violence.

KYS and read Burmese history. Jesus.

>>3321177
It is an identity, and most of the time not a choice. It exerts insane psychological pressure.

>>3321185
Those psychological pressures cause Muslims to have higher rates of violence and particularly backwards beliefs. If religion is not a choice and they're doomed by their belief system, then we should keep Muslims out of the West.

>Muslims complain about being retaliated against by whites or buddhists
>"AHHHHH SEND THE UN! WORST CRIME OF THE CENTURY! ANOTHER HOLOCAUST! SANCTIONS AND OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT"

>Muslims actually being oppressed in China
>even the name Muhammad got fucking BANNED in the muslims' own NATIVE PROVINCE
>*crickets*

What's up with this shit?

>>3320778
Oh, but muslim history tells us a lot about human nature.

It's only their incompetence which saved us.

>>3321192
That is discrimination, unless you find a reason for it, and this is more delicate than painting an entire religion in broad strokes, you need to examine each and every individual as if he were any other(of any other creed, religion etc.) doing otherwise is discrimination.

>>3321202
There is nothing wrong with discrimination.

>>3321175
Muslims have been conquering, dispossessing and enslaving since their inception. Again, there is no good reason to have them around. Ever.

>>3321206
Yes because it is arbitrary, you're giving the government more power than any democratic government should have, if you still believe it is right then maybe a democratic country isn't for you.

>>3321168
>religion
>can't be changed

These are the retards who whine about "muh /pol"

>>3321197
>*crickets*
You do know the issue of the Uighurs is pertinent among the Muslim Community and terror groups fund Uighur Separatists up there, right?

Just because its not a big issue in Western Europe doesn't mean it's not a thing.

>>3321197
Because the Chinks don't fuck around.

You think grooming gangs would fly in Beijing? They'd be castrated and killed.

>>3321216
>pertinent among the Muslim Community
So why do we hear about every instance that doesn't involve China, such as a small country in Indochina that 99% of westerners haven't even heard of before.

>>3321215
You really don't get it do you, religion can't easily be changed because it exerts too much psychological pressure on a person.

>>3321213
No, discrimination is not arbitrary. In fact it is the complete opposite of arbitrary. Treating everyone the same and assuming every person in a multicultural society is a good faith actor regardless of religion or ethnicity is far, far more arbitrary.

>>3321220
You really don't get it do you, politics can't easily be changed because it exerts too much psychological pressure on a person.

/POL/FUGEES WELCOME!

>>3321223
Discrimination is by definition arbitrary and unfair, what are you even on about

>>3321219
Because that small country in Indochina happens to cover over a thousand miles of coastline next to one of the busiest, most strategically important waterways on the planet. The Uighurs meanwhile are only relevant because China is relevant, and only slightly because they live in a fairly remote area of the world that only Russia and its satellite -stans might care about.

>>3321211
>Muslims have been conquering, dispossessing and enslaving since their inception. Again, there is no good reason to have them around. Ever.

You could use that excuse to talk about either Europeans or Asians, doesn't make it a good excuse.

>>3321233
Discrimination is not arbitrary at all. Anti discrimination is in fact arbitrary.

>>3321236
The point is, everybody should stay in their own country, and never be allowed to settle permanently outside of it.

That apply to all nation, ethnicity.

>>3321236
Yes it is. In fact it's an excellent reason to keep disparate populations separate in general. There is absolutely no reason to want to have more muslims in your country (unless of course you are a muslim yourself).

>>3321228
I'm sorry you are too retarded to understand this very basic and universally accepted concept that religion is identity more than simply thought that is accepted by virtually any democratic institution

>>3321235
Why do people bitch about the US bombing irrelevant countries? They're irrelevant, in remote areas.

>>3321240
>The point is, everybody should stay in their own country, and never be allowed to settle permanently outside of it.

It would be a valid point... but you point was being very specific.

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>>3321219
Let's see
>The media can access Burma easily compared to censorship-obsessed China.
>Burma is former Britcuck territory.
>Former Britcuck territory famous for massacring its component ethnicities.
>A Nobel Peace Prize holder is a leader down there and she's doing nothing.
>Buddhism is memed as a religion of peace and here they are massacring others.

In addition I'm pretty sure more westerners are familiar with Burma/Myanmar than Uighurs, Xinjiang, or the cities of Hotan and Urumqi. Hell, you show them pictures of Uighurs and tell them "these people are Chinese citizens" they'd go "lmao there are arab/white people in China?"

Also I wasn't talking of westerners at all: I was talking of Muslim outrage. They fucking are. Especially Central Asian Muslims to whom the Uighurs share both a religious and ethnic affinity.

Again just because you don't know, doesn't mean it's "crickets."

>>3321237
You don't know the meaning of arbitrary besides the one you just made up

>>3321244
If religious identity is so immutable it's just more the reason to not want more muslims in. Or any at all.

>>3321251
See >>3321202
Judgements can only be fair this way

>>3321248
Surveillance of mosques and not wanting more muslims for example, is discrimination. It is not arbitrary at all.

Assuming muslims are good faith actors in a multicultural utopia is in fact arbitrary. There is in fact nothing arbitrary about discrimination whatsoever.

>>3321247
The Uighurs should just get fucked and leave the Tarim basin and join their ottoturk steppenigger cousin. Xinjiang is Han clay and belong only to Han.

>>3321261
>something by definition arbitrary is not arbitrary at all
This is your brain on ideology folks

>>3321245
What does that have to do with Myanmar? It's extremely relevant on the world stage. Rakhine State isn't just some podunk jungle no one has any reason to care about, it's smack dab in the path of the Sino-Myanmar oil pipeline, and its coastline is pumping out boats full of refugees right int he path of half the world's oil tanker traffic.

>>3321271
You don't know what arbitrary means.

Discrimination is in fact, not arbitrary at all.

>>3321247
Your points are
>the media focuses on it because the media is focused on it and because of the predisposition to bitching about white people
Great

>westerners are familiar with Burma/Myanmar
Lmao, hell no. Most of them can't find Pakistan or Thailand on a map.

>Muslims are pissed
Yeah I'll believe that they even know about it when white liberals are suddenly screeching about it but evidently they don't know, actively ignore, and then as a last resort start to defend China's actions, in that order.

When will Time magazine have a cover that shows the face of a Chinese soldier with something like "THE NEW FACE OF TERROR"?

>>3321268
>Han clay
>not Dzunghar
OIRATS WILL RISE AGAIN

>>3321277
It is because it is not in accord with justice and fairness, it is by definition unjust.

>>3321244
I'm sorry you are too retarded to understand this very basic and universally accepted concept that politics is identity more than simply thought that is accepted by virtually any democratic institution

>>3321281
Not him, but the media focuses on it because the government focuses on it, and the government focuses on it because >>3321274

>>3321285
What does justice and fairness have to do with whether or something is arbitrary?

Discrimination is in of itself not arbitrary. It is directed and specific. Open up a dictionary.

Muslims invasions are in of themselves not fair or just. Simply having a mosque is my country is a grand miscarriage of justice.

>>3321298
>What does justice and fairness have to do with whether or something is arbitrary?
>Arbitrary is derived from the same source as "arbiter." The Latin word arbiter means "judge," and English adopted it, via Anglo-French, with the meaning "one who judges a dispute"

Feelings =/= Law

>>3321281
>Blablabla it doesn't exist when white liberals don't complain about it!
*That* is your argument?

We're done talking.

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>he STILL hasn't explained why discrimination is objectively wrong other than "muh ARRBEETRARY"

>>3321284
A people who don't even have it's own land or strength to enforce their claim, don't have any legitimacy. They might as well stop existing as an ethnicity, and just become Russian or Kazakh.

They could claim the entire universe, proclaim the Galactic Khanate and ask tribute from Greater Theocracy of Israel, it would be equally laughable.

>>3321305
Not a good response, brainlet. Discrimination is totally logical. Anti discrimination is in fact based on people getting their feelings hurt.

Be gone.

>>3321281
>White liberals.
>Defending China's actions.
Lol It's always /pol/ that cheers when China does something like ban veils or cancel Ramadan or some shit.

>>3321307
It's legally wrong, that's kind of why we use the word arbitrary.

>>3321311
Anti-discrimination is based on people finding legal protection and recompense for a violation of their rights.

>>3321307
I did retard >>3321213
Silencing people you don't like doesn't work in a democracy, there needs to be ample fair justification based on the individual you are judging

>>3321316
>something is legally wrong
>that means it's inherently morally wrong

100% brainlet

>>3321220
Unless of course they're Christians, in which case they need to stop being bigots and bake my fucking cake!

>>3321184
Every fucking minority group in Burma has a rebel group. He'll the majority mist likely has one too.

>>3321331
Well morally it is wrong, but we're talking about whether it's arbitrary or not right now.

>>3321336
The major rebel groups (i.e. the pro-democracy cunts) have long since cucked out and compromised with the Military faction.

>>3321316
>It's legally wrong, that's kind of why we use the word arbitrary
Discrimination is not arbitrary you brainlet. It is the complete opposite of arbitrary. You are severely confused at this point and just throwing shit at a wall hoping it sticks.

>>3321341
>Well morally it is wrong
>he fell for the objective morality meme

200% brainlet.

>>3321331
I was talking about it in a legal context from the beginning retard

>>3321342
>implying major rebel groups in myanmar are pro democracy instead of ethnic nationalist narco gangs

>>3321316
>It's legally wrong, that's kind of why we use the word arbitrary.

Would you kindly define arbitrary for the rest of us please, because I'm not sure we're all on the same page here and using the same definition.

>>3321343
Well if by shit you mean the rule of law, etymology, and several Western codes that rule out arbitrary discrimination (with that exact phrase sometimes), then sure. Again, your personal beliefs aren't reflected in legal authority, and when we both go to sleep and this thread dies, that fact won't really change.

>>3321348
I didn't say objective. But I'm sure objective moralists wouldn't disagree.

>>3321352
Um, sorry sweety but WHO are you trying to fool?

>>3320692
I rather deal with World War 1 and World War 2 then deal with Muslim terrorist attacks. Muslims killed more than World War II and World War 1. fact I think you could use a good World War right now.

>>3321355
>I didn't say objective
You said that morally it was wrong, implying that there's an objective standard of morality and that it's being violated.

How do you people even function?

>>3321357
you are a fool, no extra fooling necessary

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>>3321353
That's more of the Shan State's schtick.

>>3321364
Reddit reply/10.

Good job schnookums

>>3321363
>You said that morally it was wrong, implying that there's an objective standard of morality and that it's being violated.
That's not what that implies at all. And why would you imply this, since you clearly don't believe in objective morality. Do you believe in any morals whatsoever?

>>3321365
So who are the major mobilized pro democracy rebels then?

>>3321343
This is a semantics rabbithole we are busy in, but arbitrary gas another definition namely' unrestrained, by supreme authority, at own whims' which is what I meant from the very start

>>3321368
Oh, so you meant that it violates YOUR morals. But I don't get why you would say that, since that depends largely on whether I give a shit about your personal morals.

>>3321367
You are the reddit, you must know

>>3321354
Legally, and this does differ from state to state, it's any act that is legally unfair, capricious, and without reason (that would survive judicial review).

>>3321375
Thus why we're mostly discussing legality, and on that front it doesn't matter whether you care about the opinions of others.

>>3321375
You're arguing with a muslim that would impose jizya tax on the kuffars and of course he wouldn't consider it "discriminatory" in a bad sense. Nobody ever really argues against discrimination in the abstract sense, they simply don't want to be the target of it.

>>3321384
Laws are social constructs, you need to specify what country you're talking about, since in some discrimination would be considered perfectly legal

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>>3321370
The student rebels and the National Democratic Alliance Front, I guess.

But again, most of the pro-democracy groups have long since dialogued with the Government. Most of the fighting is centered around ethnic lines now, particularly versus the Karen, the Shan, the Kachin, the Chin, the Rakhine, the Rohingya, and the Karenni peoples duking it out with the Government.

But most of the fighting has been minor skirmishes so far. The Rohingya massacres really have been the latest big thing happening in there.

>>3321385
Jizya tax is discriminatory in a bad sense.
t. The supposed Muslim you're speaking about

>>3321385
Bold claim, mind explaining then why I don't fit any of the traits you described?

>>3321392
But it is certainly not arbitrary either, now is it?

>>3321389
Mind telling us the democratic developped country where it is legal? Because those are the countries I was on about.

>>3321385
>Nobody ever really argues against discrimination in the abstract sense
That's literally all people do when writing laws against it.

>>3321396
In 13th century Damascus, maybe not. In the 21st century it is.

>>3321389
The UN has legal standards, and the states that don't adhere to it are considered rogues and pariahs, or are actively flouting their laws with martial rule (as is the case with Myanmar).

>>3321396
It violates modern fundamental rights to make it happen, so it is 'unrestricted, of supreme authority and at own whims'

I think Buddhists should start shoving in all the muzzies into gas chambers that includes their babies as well. They are all terrorists.

>>3321407
Bait post

>>3321401
>In 13th century Damascus, maybe not. In the 21st century it is.
Does what constitutes arbitrariness vary from century to century? Is all you have left the current year argument?

Discrimination is not arbitrary. Discriminatory laws are not arbitrary. It doesn't matter the century, who is in power or who is being discriminated against. please open up a children's dictionary.

>>3321409
No I'm being serious.

>>3321389
In Myanmar's case, their constitution guarantees freedom of religion.

>>3321407
Agreed desu

>>3321411
It varies based on existing philosophies of law, much of which has advanced considerably in 800 years.

Children's dictionaries do not define anything relevant to the subject.

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>>3321413
ok

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>>3321419
>small subsets of western law define discrimination as arbitrary in the last half century therefore the fundamental meaning of the word is completely redefined now and forever

>>3321486
Tard, it being arbitrary is important BECAUSE of the law system we're in, it being unjust and overriding rights is legally bad BECAUSE we are living in modern democracies where this is important.

>>3321093
All the contrary. Technology and capitalism are the things fueling multiculturalism

>>3321536
Technology, particularly automation, will render mass immigration economically senseless.

Drones, biometric scans, and an increasingly cashless economy will also enable greater control over borders and who can effectively reside within them.

>>3321572
There is nothing discrimatory about bringing about laws that restrict mass immigration in general.

>>3321599
Duly noted.

>>3320700
>>3320715
Granted, what generally happens is that local rulers convert to [universalist religion] for diplomatic/pragmatic reasons or simply from some very convincing foreign courtiers, and then they proceed to impose that religion on their populace and their neighbors.
Note that it's hardly limited to Islam, it's how Christianity and even Buddhism used to spread in many places. Hell, it's basically what happened to Europe.

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>>3321407
>>3321413
>this baby is a terrorist

>>3321518
>we are living in modern democracies where this is important.
Not for much longer we're not....

>>3321630
No matter what you think, doesn't forgive you completely missing the point.

>>3321197
Being weak in the eyes of europeans means getting free shit.

Being weak in the eyes of everyone else means getting pounced on

>>3321330
Democracy doesn't work with multiculturalism

>>3321624
Amalekites must be destroyed, down to the babies. God fucking commanded it.

>This is /his/ level of discussion

>>3322318
The dude saying the UK should accept refugees started it desu

>>3322393
Anons shouldn't let themselves be baited so easily by such an obvious bait.

>>3320603
High energy my fellow Pedes!

>>3322286
But it does work though. What's up with why peepol here and flinging their hands in their air screaming if something doesn't work perfectly?

>>3322393
Well, they should. That's for the amerindian genocide.

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>>3320764
>only a little strife

>>3322767
Take your pedophile cartoons back to >>>/a/

>>3320888
Nah the Rohingya really are being oppressed. The Burmese military is known for its chimp outs and genocides against minorities of all religions

>>3321197
>*crickets*
t. Idiot

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>>3322772
Go back to Red.dit /pol/tard

>>3322788
You taking about those videos of a Brazilian prison riot that muslims are claiming happened in Burma?

>>3322788
Nah, the rohingya are simply suffering the consequences for their actions, as all Muslims worldwide should.

>>3320700
And because a volcano exploded and the missionaries said "see, this is what happens when you don't believe"

>>3322767
Not him but considering what would usually happen in these situation, especially considering nukes are involved, the two nations have managed to keep this shit under a level of rational action for decades.

>religion founded by a warlord who wanted to keep his followers united in order to stop them from turning on him
>Muhammad says that it's okay to lie and deceive or forcefully enlighten infidels to cause them to see the truth of Allah (see: either join Muhammad's conquest or die horribly)
>Muhammad has as many women as he wants and married a nine year old but it's okay because he's the prophet
>Muhammad says it's okay for him to be a debauched piece of shit but if anybody else does it then they will die horribly
>Muhammad develops a hatred for dogs, tells his followers that dogs are filthy and should not be loved
>Muhammad bites the dust
>he is forever immortalized by his followers as the greatest person ever and catalogues all of his above teachings (and more) as a holy text
>said followers cause problems wherever they go and use their holy book as an excuse to murder the people who are caring for them and then claim they are a religion of peace
Fun fact: By writing this, a muslim would be justified by his religion to cut my head off.

Islam is not a religion of peace. It was created by a warlord to further his campaign and maintain cohesion of his forces. The entire purpose of Islam is to infiltrate a society, playing the victim as it grows ever larger, feeding off of its host until it becomes a sizeable majority and takes hold of governmental positions.
To claim "Islam is a religion of peace" is to claim ignorance of the history and the entirety of the Quran.

>>3323023
By killing their infants with knives?

>>3323142
Muslims have no qualms about killing children of "people of the book", Buddhists don't even have the protection of "people of the book" status. Why risk it?

>>3323129
>The entire purpose of Islam is to infiltrate a society, playing the victim as it grows ever larger, feeding off of its host until it becomes a sizeable majority and takes hold of governmental positions.
can you give any examples of this actually happening

>>3318365
>>>/Pol/

Please.

>>3323146
So because Muslims do it we should do it in return? so you literally advicate that we should be killing their babies? Do you support stabbing babies?

>>3323152
To name a few in recent history, Turkey and London.

>>3320642
You've never been there? There is a wealth of information. But of course that would expose you to alternative opinions. They are there, even if they are shit.

>>3323158
If somebody is willing to stab your babies obviously you must be willing to return the favor in kind.

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>>3323157
>mfw they always fuck up boardlinking
Also, he's neither /pol/ nor wrong.
begone >>>/qa/

Rohingyas live like rats in burma, nothing like colonists

are the people of Myanmar uncivilized savages living out of doors in a vast wilderness?

>>3323165
Okay then, I dare you to go out and stab a Muslim baby. Go out and do it then. Can you listen to what you are saying? You are saying we should be stabbing their babies? Do you have autism?

>>3323174
I am not going to stab any muslim babies or babies in the general but given the typical behavior of invasive muslims as of late I cannot exactly condemn a Buddhist in Burma for considering it.

Why don't we ask what drove Buddhists to stab muslim babies in the first place? People don't exactly stab children Willy nilly.

>>3323162
>Turkey
haha, no
>London
once again, no

>>3323221
Also, why don't we ask what drove the Nazis to kill 6 million Jew in the first place? People don't just carry out such large scare massacres without any reason.

Muslims are so violent, while we are so peaceful. I think we really should just stab their babies to show how violent they are and how peaceful we are.

>>3321296
I dustinctly remember political opinion to fall under thought under most iterations of the articles protecting thought, religion and speech. Religion is distinct as again you usually don't choose it, there is always peer and psychological pressure.

>>3323152
Bangladesh, India (partial), Pakistan/Afghan

Bangladesh used to be Buddhist/Hindu
India used to be Hindu/Buddhist
Pakistan/Afghan used to be Buddhist/Hindu

Those are bit pre-modern.

However modern examples are Thailand. They have a bit of muslim minority thats seeking more power from the region, killing and terrorizing Buddhists in the street, etc. The thai military/police have been largely containing the situation.

>>3324005
>Islam slyly infiltrated Pakistan and India and played the victim card.

You fucking idiot. Muslims came to the region via invading it and knocking down pussy-ass primitive Hindu kingdoms.

>>3324005
Also
>India used to be Hindu/Buddhist
>Used to be
>USED TO BE
In what dimension do you live in where India is entirely Muslim?

>>3323994
>Religion is distinct as again you usually don't choose it, there is always peer and psychological pressure.
The same can be true of politics.

>>3324018

India is now Hindu/Muslim.

>In what dimension do you live in where India is entirely Muslim?
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Afghan
Those were at certain points in India, "India"

>>3318365
I'm not a muslim, but shitting on a people for expanding through conquest is the dumbest shit ever, seeing as that's how all human history is for thousands of years, and white europeans did it to a far greater and worse extent.

>>3324057
So people shouldn't resist invaders?

>>3324268
No, they shouldn't. It's a waste of blood and suffering.

>>3324268
Countless wars could have been prevented, if people didn't fought back.

>>3324275
Absolutely pathetic.

>>3324275
>>3324276
>the absolute state of /his/

You spineless whores are both now my sex slaves, don't resist or there will be blood

>>3323174
>>3323614
Fuck you cuck! Low energy cuck that bows to Islam! Libtard alert!
Where are my fellow pedes at from the_D?

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>>3325035
>NOT wanting to be enslaved and fighting against your oppressor?
>omg cringe

Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully, and cursed be he that keepeth back his sword from blood.

>>3325073
You white people should just give up. The West is too morally decrepit to be saved.

>>3324057
>far greater and worse extent.
Nice attempt at deflection but it's wrong.
Countries invaded by muslims do way, way worse than countries invaded by white europeans.
modern white europeans are especially charming, knowledgeable, tolerant, liberal, and guarantee your property value to rise upon moving in.

the point remains clear: the muslims of myanmar are doing what they have always done.

>>3320700
Your claim is that they expand primarily through trade, and you provided one example.
Islam did not expand primarily through indonesia, therefore islam did not expand primarily through trade.

Also, Indonesia is a dangerous oppressive shithole.

>>3326755
you really are some piece of work

>>3321616
So then, the original claim that Islam is doing what Islam has always stands unhindered.

>>3326761
You're wrong.

>>3325512
When did it make that change, anon? I hope you're not about to go full /pol/ on us and suggest we buckle down on conservatism, or even fascism to combat invading barbarians.

>>3326755
>than countries invaded by white europeans.
Like Iraq doing better post invasion? Top kek
Whether the place turns better or worse is irrelevant it is an aftertought, invaders take what they want, locals be damned. This is true universally.

Nevermind the fact white europeans also promoted islam to counter secular pro soviet leaning leaders of Middle East.

>>3326778
No. I just wish that you all die, and let yourself get replaced.

>>3326784
>Like Iraq doing better post invasion? Top kek
Was going great until white-guilt politics convinced the president to pull us out.

>>3326790
Enjoy the inevitable collapse of all those supposedly racist institutions you actually leech off of. Good feels and forced sharing can't maintain a country when the primary wealth creators die out.

>>3326784
>invaders take what they want, locals be damned
Then why do former anglo colonies fare so well?
Perhaps entrepreneurs leave behind wealth in industry and infrastructure and muzzie invaders just wreck ancient statues and sit on piles of gold until their sons assassinate them. rinse lather and repeat for eternity, the bickering tribes of Mohammed never learn.

>>3326784
>Nevermind the fact white europeans also promoted islam to counter secular pro soviet leaning leaders of Middle East.

Are you admitting that promoting islam in a country wrecks the place?

>>3326755
>Countries invaded by muslims do way, way worse than countries invaded by white europeans.
Not at all. Most of the countries Europeans invaded are complete and utter shitholes today. The only ones that are decent are the ones where they genocided the natives and replaced them with Europeans.
>modern white europeans are especially charming, knowledgeable, tolerant, liberal, and guarantee your property value to rise upon moving in.
Not true. Europeans are ''Tolerant'', ''Liberal'' and ''Charming'' are thanks to the economic prosperity of their countries. Their not Tolerant. They can only afford to be tolerant. The moment their quality of life declined in the Great Depression they chimped out and turned Jews into soap.
>the point remains clear: the muslims of myanmar are doing what they have always done.
Getting genocided by some failed state dictatorship? I agree.

>>3326802
Meh, who cares. I just hope you disarm your nukes, and decommission your nuclear power plant before the collapse. So that some retarded doomsday theocracy don't gets its grubby hands on it.

>>3326792
>Was going great until white-guilt politics convinced the president to pull us out.
No it wasn't. It was already rampant with homicides, unemployment and crime was through the roof. You are literally talking out of your ass for the sake of winning an argument.

>>3326822
>blahblahblah genocide
The Muslims of Myanmar are doing what Muslims have always done.
>blahblahblah tolerance
The Muslims of Myanmar are doing what Muslims have always done.
>muslims are getting genocided by a state dictatorship
After doing what they've always done: believing in dumb, violent religion, and fighting amongst themselves.

I can admit Europeans are not without sin; but that doesn't alleviate the Muslims of their guilt. Furthermore, European is not an ideology. Islam is. One in conflict with many positive European ones which failed former colonies would benefit from enforcing.
Europeans learn, the Muslims of Myanmar are doing what Muslims have always done.

>>3326834
>It was already rampant with homicides (muslim on muslim)
>unemployment (better than sectarian violence)
>crime was through the roof (muslim on muslim)

Was better than it was before, and had the anglo presence remained it would have continued to get better as the local population learned some Euro values.

>>3326853
>blahblahblah genocide
>blahblahblah tolerance
You literally have no argument. Closing you ears and pretending it isn't there isn't going to make it go away.
>One in conflict with many positive European ones which failed former colonies would benefit from enforcing.
What positive values? Invade a country, genocide it's natives and then take their resources then play pretend that you are tolerant?
>European is not an ideology
No, but Neoliberalism and the West has been enforcing it to make sure they are at the top since WW2.

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>>3326833
>i don't care about the collapse of the industries my people need to survive
>decommission your nukes so that my people, who can't handle responsibility, get at it

>>3326884
>You literally have no argument.

Says the guy who answers every statement made about muslims with something about europeans?
>They are only doing what Muslims always do.
>white europeans did it to a far greater and worse extent

Where's your argument, Achmed?

>>3326904
I just want to see the CCP enslave the world for the Han. Making sure that nobody have nuclear deterrent but them would make their job easier.

>>3326859
>(muslim on muslim)
Doesn't matter, and there are plenty of times the US soldiers killed and raped the locals and never been trailed for.
>(better than sectarian violence)
Already was there during the occupation.
>>crime was through the roof (muslim on muslim)
Doesn't matter again. The point the U.S occupation didn't make any difference.
>Was better than it was before, and had the anglo presence remained it would have continued to get better as the local population learned some Euro values.
No it wasn't and had the Anglo presence countinued it would've ended up like Afghanistan and Iraq as far better under Saddam then it was under U.S control and the locals completely and utterly refused to learn your ''Euro values''. Neither the Iraqi Shias. nor the Sunnis wanted to the U.S there and would've never stopped resisting. You are literally lying for the sake of winning an argument.

>>3326809
>Then why do former anglo colonies fare so well?

Most aren't impressive in terms of where they are now

>>3326884
>What positive values?

Do you admit that Islam is full of shit values? That Muslims today are doing what they've always done?
As a bonus - that this is the cause of their suffering?

I'll throw you a few bones here - capitalism, individual liberties, freedom of expression and thought, republicanism. the scientific method.

>European is not an ideology
>No, but Neoliberalism

You are hurting yourself, my man. Islam is an ideology, no ifs ands or butts. European is not.
Regardless, see the above values.
Also, White people were on top and out-competing the muslim world long before WW2.

>>3326926
>You are literally lying for the sake of winning an argument.

The argument that islam is doing now what they've always done and are worse off for it?

>>3320700
>Indonesia
>Sub-Saharan Africa
These are not the primary places Islam spread. The primary places are in the Arab peninsula, Fertile Crescent, Persia, India, North Africa, Turkey, etc. Not only are these places the main centers of the Islamic world today and from history, they were all spread there primarily by conquest.

>>3326911
>Says the guy who answers every statement made about muslims with something about europeans?
Because that's what you do. You try to make the Europeans as some civilized people who got where they are now through their values when in reality they simply spent the last 500 years pillaging the non-European world and reaped the benefits of that until now.
>Where's your argument, Achmed?
Accusing me of being whatever group you hate is not an argument.

>>3326926
>The point the U.S occupation didn't make any difference.

I blame mud-for-brains muslims who don't understand western values and westerners too pussy to uphold them :^)
Both cultures may be violent and cruel, but only one manages to be on top, and for some reason continues to evolve. While the people you defend do this
>>3326904

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>>3320603
>>3320401
>>3320384
Wow lads, we got ourselves some live ones!
>>3323157
Look at this guy. So new he doesn't even no how to link across boards.

>>3326959
>You try to make the Europeans as some civilized people
see
>>3326964
>>3326853
>I can admit Europeans are not without sin
>Both cultures may be violent and cruel, but only one manages to be on top, and for some reason continues to evolve. While the people you defend do this

This is not an argument about Europeans. It's about Muslims.
> they simply spent the last 500 years pillaging the non-European world and reaped the benefits of that until now.
More like the worlds poorest agrarian countries exploded with wealth as soon as they adopted the "european way" of doing things, and every other country regresses to mud-huts as soon as we leave because they prefer the "fuck whitepeople" motto. Look up the world's wealthiest cities and tell me how europeans destroyed them.

>>3326941
>capitalism, individual liberties, freedom of expression and thought, republicanism. the scientific method.
Literally almost none of those were practiced by Europeans until the last century. Individual liberties? Women were literally not allowed to vote until the 20th and Blacks were basically second-class citizens until the 60's. Freedom of expression and thought? So much that did for the Communists during the Red Scare and the
Fascists during WW2. The Scientific Method was made bu Al-Hazen long before any Europeans did. Algebra and the arabic numerals came from Muslims.

>>3326964
>I blame mud-for-brains muslims who don't understand western values and westerners too pussy to uphold them :^)
Yeah how dare they resist an invasion over a bullshit lie.
>but only one manages to be on top, and for some reason continues to evolve.
Yes, and not through civility, but through taking down any culture that tries to challenge them.
>While the people you defend do this
>>>3326904
Spare me your strawman picture.

>>3326988
>and every other country regresses to mud-huts as soon as we leave because they prefer the "fuck whitepeople" motto.
Ah, so you are a white identitarian ''Race Realist'' imbecile. I take back whatever i said. It's pointless to argue with your kind.

>>3327003
"Strawmen" > Red Herring

Muslims are doing what they've always done, lad. Stop defending oppressive stupidity over western values.
Europe is not in question in this argument, not even in this thread. Ironically, only you have any trouble looking Mohammad's way.

Muslims have always invaded other countries and used violence to spread their ideas. No other group of people have ever done that.

>>3326727
This whole thread

>>3323157
I'm sorry did he say something to hurt your liberal sensibilities

>>3320401
>>3320384
Lefties are such crybabies.

>>3320411
>>3320503

He's not retarded he's correct.

>>3320582
Islam expanded primarily at the tip of a sword.

>>3320649
Islam is based on violence.

>>3326727
Our wars are in response to muslim aggression.

Muslims apologists are the worst.

>Muslims try to conquer more and more land through breeding like rabbits and subverting the local culture
>"why are the locals resisting?!"

>>3328319
>Our ears are in response to Muslim aggression.

Ah yes, the famous Randomid Caliphate the Conquistadores fough un México and the Islamic theocracy of the German Empire are two of my favourite cultures.

>1942
>Burmese Muslims are armed by allies to fight the Japanese
>instead try to genocide the Buddhists

One of many cases for the Buddhists to evict this rat problem.

>>3328395
Because they are a bunch of retards who are too stupid to accept the religion of Allah.

>>3328437
I used to think people like you were Muslims but more and more I find out your are self loathing white leftists.

>>3320713
Most people who died in those chimpout wars were Europeans, aka natives slaughtering natives.
Muslims don't keep their stupid conflicts in their part of the world.

>>3319115
Why don't you say the same about ISIS genociding religious minorities in Iraq? They're even bigger international pariahs.

>>3328526
What if they are white Muslim leftists?

>>3321235
>small
>200 million+ citizens in that island chain

Indonesia is many things, small isnt one.

>>3322280
This, the leftists here don't want to admit it.

>>3328526
>Self-loathing white leftist.

Depends on how my country is doing economically. I'm white if it does well and a random category different from "white" if it doesn't.

Also, you still haven't addressed the fact that most wars where Europeans were involved past the Rise of Islam were still European versus European and then European versus Amerindian.

If you strictly adhere to recent times, then, yes, most of our wars are against Middle Eastern countries plus one at the borders of the Indian subcontinent that happen to be Islamic (still not attempts at bombing Mecca and/or Medina so far). Kind of easy being "most" if they are the only ones.

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>>3326987
>lads
Kill yourself, britcuck

I shit in your mother's mouth

>>3320715
Africans adopted Islam to protect themselves from enslavement, especially in the middle ages

>>3328957
No one there was talking about Indonesia, but Myanmar.

>>3326959
Not that guy, but the 500 year argument makes no sense since european countries actually had to stop their warring with each other to fight off the muslim turks. Claiming that argument for one side is stupid when looking at historical facts, my man.
In the end, you cant compare Islam with Europes modern culture. Islam didn't change and probably wont, which is the main reason islamic countries are mostly oppressive, revisionist etc. Europe changed a great deal culturally.
The moment an, lets say, Iraqi born man becomes more secular others will denounce his faith even if he still considers himself muslim.
In Berlin, a turkish woman opened a freeminded mosque, with women leading the prayers, no headscarfs. Needless to say she got massive death threats and is under constant police surveillance. This will be Islams downfall, one that started in the latemiddle ages and continues on in our time. State and religion need to be kept separate but as long as there are muslim idiots dreaming of a caliphate ( and there are many), as long as there are countries with sharia law instead of humanitarian laws, Islam and its satellite states and peoples will always be on the loosing side. In the modern world, Islam can only have a future if its left for private matters, not as a political ideology which after 300 years still can't adapt to the modern world.

>>3324275
Spotted the Canadian

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>>3329926
No many entities took it up because it appealed to them as well as increased trade ties, access to other knowledge, and other benefits.

>>3330406
Yeah, that's not going to happen. Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world and hasn't slowed down. All the examples you mentioned is basically saying why don't Muslims become like modern Christianity, A hollow religious identity stripped of all it's values under the control of the current Liberal/Capitalist zeitgeist. The answer is they don't want to. it doesn't matter if the Iraqi considers himself Muslim, if he doesn't at least follow the five pillars of Islam then he is just a Munafiq. The same thing for the Turkish women. Her religion is not Islam. It's Liberalism and Feminism, and when she tried to turn Islam into something it isn't, the Muslims around her simply called simply called her out out and told her to GTFO. Muslims see through what the West is trying to do with Islam right now and will always actively resist such attempts.

>>3330755
That's nice and all, but strays from the underlying question I tried to answer to the other anon.
Which is that Islam and the modern world not being compatible. Islam isn't even compatible with itself, seeing all those intermuslim wars going on.