How unrealistic is it to have someone THIS black in Rome? We

>>3311643
It's a western African, they didn't have anything to do with rome.
If it was an Ethiopian or Lower Egypt one, it would be very improvable but possible.

>>3311643
Fuck off you retarded faggot, if /pol/ is so upset by it go back there and jerk each other off about it.
While you're at it why not bring up Gladiator and how they had blacks in Rome, I'm sure you can fellate each other over that too.

>>3311643

There is no direct evidence of any negro making it to Britain, much less a negro legionnaire, much less still a negro officer: Roman officers were invariably Italians, typically from noble or aristocratic families.

>>3311643
They had black people in the Roman army and in Rome itself. Do some quick research before coming to the /his/ safe place of /pol/

>>3311653
>blacks is only one ethnic group

The bugman reveals the extent of his intelligence

>>3311651
Well fucknuckle, unlike the rest of /pol/ I prefer not to stay in that circle jerk pretending I'm right all the time.

>>3311643
What's this from?

>>3311671
Britannia

lmao at triggered /pol/tards

>>3311671
>Britannia is a drama set in 43AD as the Roman Imperial Army - determined and terrified in equal measure - returns to crush the Celtic heart of Britannia - a mysterious land ruled by warrior women and powerful druids who can channel the powerful forces of the underworld. Or so they say.
Some fantasy shit loosely inspired by the ancient world.

>>3311650
>It was impossible for people to migrate

It's not impossible for peoples from ethnic groups such as the Toubou to have migrated into Roman territory and joined the Legion to take advantage of the opportunity for a better life. A minority for certain, but not so unlikely I'd flip out at seeing black legionnaires.

>>3311643
>How unrealistic is it to have someone THIS black in Rome?
Not very, but it did happen. The fact that he is shown is clearly pandering to modern audience rather than representing the ethnic dynamics of Ancient Rome.

>We all know now that yes, they were darker, but THIS dark?
probably quite a few, yeah but not enough to be a relevant population.

>>3311678
>a black guy asserting dominance over a British woman
This sounds like some historical fantasy porno tbqh

>>3311679
>It's not impossible
>not so unlikely

Weasel words.

>>3311670
You clearly do, that's why you continue to browse that shithole and then unabashedly post on other boards how you're from /pol/ and also smarter than the rest of /pol/, while simultaneously posting race-baiting threads on other boards like the /pol/ drone you are.

>>3311692
>Being this triggered

Why does the idea of individuals living on the rim of the Roman Empire, after hearing of the splendour and wealth of its people, taking the initiative to share in that wealth offend you? There are already other examples of far-off soldiers serving in the Roman Empire in the form of the Varangian Guard, what makes it so unlikely for blacks in North Africa?

>>3311696
How can I forget that asking for a fact check from another board that is supposed to know about this stuff is stupid. Gee wizz. It was pretty obvious that it was from /pol/ as there was 2 threads up there when I started this thread. And race-baiting? I literally just asked if they were that black. There wasn't any "bait" there, but if you are that stupid, then by all means.

>>3311707
I like how you try to put words in my mouth, truly reveals your brainlet status.

I'm simply pointing out that you have to stretch like a madman to make possible a scenario.

I mean, why not have a Viking in the Inca Empire? It's theoretically possible

>>3311679
The sahara was a hugh barrier, and berbers raiders like the Garamantes made the voyage impossible, slaving them or simply hunting them for they cities. Also the Legions were citizen only, a think only very few had until Caracalla in the late empire made the citizenship universal.
It would be extremely improbable to have an auxiliary Western african,auxiliares were used in bulk, so even if Garamantes slaves from western africa scaped (a great feat itself because those cities were in them middle of the Sahara) it wouldn't be recluted be anyone, and a Legionary would be impossible because not citizenship bein a libert slave at best. Heck, even Ethiopian traders were rare (and mainly in Arabia), but I'm sure at least some auxiliary were used, same with lower Egypt, and probably some of them even made legionary (or the adequate unit of the time period) but they are incredible overepresented in the media and mainly portrayed be western Africans like Djimon Hounsou or Peter Mensah, not Ethiopians or Egyptian/ North Sudanese people than would be the appropiate people to do so.

>>3311723
Now who's acting stupid. You're insulting everyone's intelligence if you honestly went "asking for a fact check from [/his/] that is supposed to know about this stuff". You are somehow implying that a representation of a black soldier in a BBC program about Rome is too black. You're asking if some black actor in a tv show is too black.

>>3311679
>It's not impossible for peoples from ethnic groups such as the Toubou to have migrated into Roman territory
Typically the kind of people that had zero interest to migrate, given their way of life, and more important there's no evidence they existed at that time.
But yeah it's not totally impossible that there were some black legionnaires.

>>3311643
Niggers had no place in rome, they were slaves and that's it

>>3311679
>ethnic groups such as the Toubou
Does that guy look like a Tebu to you?

>migrated into Roman territory and joined the Legion to take advantage of the opportunity for a better life
No. This is a pretty big misconception about early imperial auxiliaries: they weren't random guys picked off the street in the provinces. They were peregrines: subjugated people. Even in the late empire when outsider germs started being used they still joined as tribes and not as single soldiers.
Rome didn't have fucking receuitment offices where foreigners could just walk up and ask to be enlisted, the auxilia were sent on batch by tribal chieftains out of their own retinues. And specifically because it was an opportunity, there was no way in hell a foreigner could worm his way into their numbers.
And let's not forget that the vast majority of roman auxilia were european in origin. North africa and the east mostly offered specialized troops, meaning outsiders were even less likely to be taken in.

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Friendly reminder that north africans are NOT blacks

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>>3311765
oops i ment this pic

>>3311653

Do you mean Nubians? They served in two legions, neither got anywhere near Britain. Also, Nubians are dark-skinned caucasians, the man in OP is a negro.

Why is it always blacks? Why don't revisionists shoehorn asians or amerindians in Western history?

>>3311781
Because Asians aren't invading Europe unlike niggers, and Liberals don't need to justify their presence in Europe

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>>3311772
Anon, I'm not mad at you, just really, really disappointed.

>>3311724
>Need to stretch your imagination like a mad man

Not particularly, considering that black nomads lived in the Sahara, right below Roman territory, and would have interacted with the Romans due to their status as traders.

>Comparing the thousands of miles of ocean between Scandinavia and South America to black nomads living in the Sahara desert.

I think you're the brainlet here pal.

>>3311726

I understand this, and yes, any theoretical migrants would be auxiliaries, but that would be only first generation families, a black slave becoming a freedman would have his children become citizens, which opens up their opportunities, same thing for any descendants of black migrants. I will agree, however, that the media seems particularly, and unhealthily, fascinated in black Legionnaries, and yes, they should be played by the ethnic peoples that actually would have had interaction with the Romans, but I can't bring myself to get angry at instances like this compared to actual impossible bullshit like black knights in 13th century England.

>>3311781
Dunno, it's the anglo way of DIVERSITY!, add negro men to anything. Not Latinos or god forbid male asians than aren't dorks.
And no I'm not from asianmasculinty or whatever it's called, it's only funny to see USA or Brit series with those musculars tall blacks and dorf or geeky asians errytime.

>>3311795
>Comparing the thousands of miles of ocean between Scandinavia and South America to black nomads living in the Sahara desert.
"Thousands of miles of ocean" is meaningless if you're going to handwave away crossing the damn Sahara desert as a trivial feat.

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>>3311790
>false
It a fucking reproduction

>>3311678
>Some fantasy shit loosely inspired by the ancient world.
why do always do this shit?

queen boadicea did exist and the celts and druids were real so why add pointless fantasy crap? do normies have some aversion to real history? i mean they wouldn't even know anyway!

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>>3311643
See >>3311650 The Sahara was a practical ocean and contacts with sub-saharan Africans was impossible.

Horn of Africa peoples had contacts with Persia and Egypt and Ethiopian troops marched with Xerses in his invasion of Greece, but mostly just for show. Even so, the Horn Africa probably had more modern Caucasian influx than the other way around.

At the end of the day I don't care about some show. But its sad. You'd probably be bummed too if so much of your history is lost and the representation you get involves your people passively taking ever shitty social arrangement given to them.

>>3311795
You again you fucking low iq faggot, what sources do you have of any subsaharan people crossing the fucking sahara and trading with the north during fucking antiquity, you lazy brainlet fuck off this board and go the fuck back to twitter where you belong with you pathetic attempt at we wuzzing

>>3311812
It's got to be like got, or else people won't watch it

>>3311812
>why add pointless fantasy crap

So that when someone says "but there were no negro officers in 43ad Britain!" the producers can just say "HURR it has magic and shit and yet THIS is what you complain about, you evildumb racist?"

>>3311807
While not being trivial, the trans-Saharan trade route was an actual thing that happened, whereas there isn't a single instance of vikings sailing to South America. So no, they're not comparable.

>>3311820
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE

Not an argument.

>>3311824

Trans-Saharan trade went thru intermediaries, mostly Tuaregs and other Berbers.

>>3311808
A fucking reproduction of 2 damaged frescoes you faggot
>The picture he cites occurs nowhere in ancient Egypt and comes from the "Lepsius papers" which was based on a paper created by Europeans in the 1800s (Menu) and redone in the 1900s and has literally nothing to do with Egypt.

>>3311832
>its impossible to know what a damaged fresco looked like!
>there is no way to reconstruct the colors used on a faded fresco!

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>>3311795
>Not particularly, considering that black nomads lived in the Sahara, right below Roman territory
>right below Roman territory

Julius wrote about Gaul like it was an unexplored planet, and these are people they had more or less relative contact with. When they saw Celts for the first time they didn't know what to make of them.

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>>3311835
Here's one of the frescoes used, it only has two of the races in your super accurate picture and was quite damaged by old archeological techniques

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>>3311643
OP you got the wrong actor, it's this one who is that, you posted the other black major character.

>>3311854

You can see the skin of all of them tho you retarded faggot. Your only objection should be that the head-dress might not be accurate (but ti is, because it's based on other depictions)

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>>3311835
>>3311854
Here's the other frescoe. Notice how much darker the Libyans and Asiatics are in this full frescoe

>>3311678
>a mysterious land ruled by warrior women
1 woman led a rebellion after they killed her king husband and this means britain was a land of warrior women

fucking BBC

Also, Black Roman soldiers in Britain in 43AD is 100% impossible.

>>3311861

Cartismandua says "go fuck yourself, retard".

>>3311795
>Not particularly, considering that black nomads lived in the Sahara
1. No they didn't.
2. The camel wasn't introduced into the region until around 50AD
3. The camel was needed to cross the sahara, before it, there was no traders
4. Berbers are brown people

Im sick of people talking about things they have no knowledge on.

Look who are you trying to kid here, the show has TWO primary characters who are Roman Legionaries with Latin names being subsaharan african black people. This is ridiculous and historically impossible and clearly revisionism and PC bullshit.

>>3311854
>>3311860

So when you claimed this image was a fake, what you MEANT was, "It's completely accurate, but there are other images that are different"?

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>>3311868
>Berbers are brown people

SOME Berbers are brown, most of them are swarthy but would look perfectly at home anywhere in Southern Europe.

>>3311781
This. And actual middle eastern and north african people are really underrepresented in media, unless they got to play terrorists. MENA people absolutely did live in the Roman Empire but in modern adaptations they get replaced with blacks, a much better represented ethnicity.

>>3311864
My point still stands, the existence of queens who go to war (as rulers do) does not = female soldiers

Queen Elizabeth II ruling during the Falklands war doesn't mean the Argies were facing regiments of female SAS.

>>3311878
Southern Europeans are brown.
It's called a tan.

>>3311887

Who said anything about female soldiers you retard?

>>3311795
>black nomads lived in the Sahara
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Berbers are the nomads in the Sahara, Blacks were and still sedentarian agiricultural people

>>3311643
Half of the Roman Empire was in Africa, retard.
The Romans crossed the Sahara to look for gold mines in Mali even.

>>3311891

"Brown" means south asian, southern Europeans are white but swarthy.

>>3311795
I doubt the Touba existed at those times, they are very few even now. They could be the descendants from slave of the garamantes, than were berbers (and surely mixed with they slaves) but the stretch of having western africans it's a great one. Also black women were very scarce, so our hipotetical rich and incredible lucky trader or the most probable an escaped slave would have wifed a Berber or South Egyptian woman(if he got enough social or economical ecumen to do so, another great feat because at those times jobs were clientelar or made be slaves and woman back then had a permanent pression to marry right) and the south of Egypt was one of the most remote places along Britain and arabia, so we have a mulatoe or mixed with sudanese, than only after the caracalla edict would be considered for the legion, to be stationed to the other part of the Roman empire, and we had the one in a million chance with the Ethiopian miles than Septimus severus met.
>>3311879
It's quite funny/sad, Anglos have a hard one with western blacks but good forbid you include Swarthy caucasians.

>>3311894
>Who said anything about female soldiers you retard?

>a mysterious land ruled by warrior women
>warrior women
Cunt

>>3311897
Brown is a colour

>>3311895
>blacks
>sedentary

Seasons in Africa are such that every few years you have to move to another area entirely, since the climate won't let you grow shit. You cant build cities when you have to move every few years.

>>3311903
>HURR

So it can't be used of any human, then? After all, a person isn't a color, right?

>>3311902

"Warrior women" means at least two women who fight. Guess what, moron? We happen to know of TWO queens who fought!

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>>3311913
>We happen to know of TWO queens who fought!
Neither of them fought, they directed armies, and lost.

Your revisionism is weak.

>>3311827
No sources for your claim you say faggot? What a surprise

>>3311868
>the camel wasn't introduced into the region until around 50AD

"The animal most frequently associated with the Sahara, camels were first introduced to the Sahara around 200 AD as part of trade caravans from the Arabian Peninsula. Unlike the horses it replaced, the camel is perfectly suited to the Sahara's harsh climate."

"http://www.pbs.org/wnet/africa/explore/sahara/sahara_animals_lo.html

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There were two legions founded in the south of Egypt, which is as close as black people came to serving in the Roman army. One stayed there until they were decimated, and the other was transferred to Thrace where they eventually fought in the Battle of Adrianople. Neither ever went to Britain.

Also it's debatable whether people would even consider southern Egyptians to be "black", most of them just look like dark skinned Arabs.

It's also worth pointing out that neither legion was founded until the third century AD, while this series takes place during Caesar's invasion of Britain.

>>3311919
>houses win battles
Hmm...

>>3311945
Some look like mulatoes.
Also danmn Egyptian women tend to be fat or what.

>>3311824
>While not being trivial, the trans-Saharan trade route was an actual thing that happened, whereas there isn't a single instance of vikings sailing to South America.

What a dishonest comparison!
>There isn't a single instance of sub-saharan Africans sending an expedition to Roman territory but there were trade-routes so it's not impossible for them to travel there!
>There isn't a single instance of Vikings sending an expedition to South America and the fact that there were trade-routes linking the cultures of South and North America (which the Vikings DID reach) doesn't matter!

>>3311861
>>3311887

>There are more women than men in their ranks.

What did Tacitus mean by this?

>>3312156
That the men fighting were so weak they might as well have been women

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>>3311671
>What's this from?

Does it really matter? It's just more of the British media industry's blatant historical revisionism.

Why does people hate Italians so much to the point of stealing their history?

>>3312434
OOOOOOOH THIS GUY

>>3311643
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people_in_Ancient_Roman_history

>>3312415
Deal with your extinction, subhuman. That's for the amerindian genocide.

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>>3311832
>When someone knows so little about Egyptian history and how art reproduction are made that they construct a progressive conspiracy theory of racists trying to change history
Here is king tut murdering Nubians

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>>3311832
Here is an ancient depiction of Jews (notice the noses)

>>3312475
>black people
>north african
:thinking

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>>3312526
This is the first ever depiction ever of an Israelite. Notice the nose. Nothing has changed.

>>3311707
>varangian guard
>crossing the sahara is just as easy as rowing down some rivers dude just turn your brain off lmao

>>3312504
Wut, Amerindians weren't genocided, at least in the Iberian parts. The were only integrated.

>>3312415
>this is a straight out attack on white identity
Then it's good actually

>>3312156
Women often spectated battles in Ancient Brythonic and Gallic societies. They didn't fight, but they were on the field watching

>>3312563
90% disease deaths for 2 centuries, murdering of nobles and priviledged classes, assimilation of the rest of the priviledged classes, putting the rest of the low classes to toxic mines for 4 centuries.

This will never EVER be forgotten. Face your extinction.