Generalplan Ost

It was what Germany wanted for the region in WW1. The second time around they were just more forward about it.

>>3304874

A G*rm has no brain, no soul, and no culture.

>>3304874
It mostly came forth as a mix between Germany's desperate need for resources to achieve self-sufficiency and the ideological belief that the Slavs and other eastern-europeans are inferior.

The land itself is rich in wheat, coal, iron, and further into the Caucasus you have the big ticket item, oil. Ideology shaped the argument that any resources spent on inferior beings is better put to use for ethnic Germans and the empowerment of the German state, so those living on the land they conquered had to be eliminated in order to make room for colonization and resource extraction.

Of course this idealized thinking couldn't be carried out fully in a realistic setting, as any military thinker would tell you throughout history, it's a terrible idea to subject conquered/occupied civilians to mass murder and extermination, advice against this is written as early as Sun Tzu's Art of War and Machiavelli's The Price.

Didn't mean the Germans didn't try though, with the Baltic States and Belarus/Ukraine having their civilian populations culled by as many as 20-30% over the course of occupation, but this wholesale killing of civilians just stoked fire for resistance movements, being a thorn in Germany's side the entire time by blowing up railways and ammunition depots as the Red Army beat them back.

>>3304995
>Baltic States having their civilian populations culled by as many as 20-30% over the course of occupation

????? Germany helped Baltic fight against the eternal mongol from the east that had occupied their countries beforehand.

>>3306218
>be Germany
>invade Barbarossa
>Balts assume that you'll recognize their independence and free them
>they help drive out commies from their home state for you
>good work, however we need some Scheiß from you
>Just call it "Reichkommisariat Ostland"
>Ask Balts to form an SS battalion
>Lithuanains don't wanna fight for Jerries in the east so boycott the recruitment
>Germans chimpout and send the intelligentsia to stutthoff concentration camp, close down universities
>Balts now hate you as well
Good going, Hans.

>>3306541
>invade Russia*
Don't know how I fucked up that hard

>>3304874
>Latgalians
Who are these people?

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>>3306557
Balts, like Lithuanians, Latvians, Prussians etc.

it was autism, they wanted all that for german settlers, stalins policy of nothing left behind for germans played into their hands as the population could not feed themselfs

just imagine, the size of germany, left without food, unimagineable situation, and this contains the most fertile land in europe, that is ukraine

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WE ALREADY HAD THIS THREAD YOU CANCEROUS FUCKING RETARD I FUCKING DESPISE WHAT THIS BOARD HAS BECOME

We had this same thread not two days ago. Go bait somewhere else.

>>3304874
It was fake.

>>3306595
>Kills 30% of you population
>Actually starts to settle 1M of Germans there
>it was just a prank bro

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>Nearly all the wartime documentation on Generalplan Ost was deliberately destroyed shortly before Germany's defeat in May 1945.[6][7] Thus, no complete set of originals have ever been found after the war, among the documents stored in German archives.

>>3304874
Its fake. Fabricated in the after war effort to further destroy germany.
None of these documents ever made it out of germany into enemy hands, all destroyed or displaced.
Much like the artifact collection the Ahnenerbe divison collected, numeruous amoutns of pagan and christian relics destroyed or hidden somewhere in the swiss alps.

You people interested in Nazi relics and relics of grand importance for humanity? its probably somewhere close to the gotthardt tunnel in a giant bunker system run by the swiss.

>>3306710
>shit that never happened

Generalplan Ost was made up as anti-nazi propaganda material

>>3304874
if germany hypothetically won ww2 and started this, how would they settle lands of poland, ukraine, russia etc? They would need to have some really good family program that encouraged them to breed and have 5-10 kids or something

>>3306738
Hmmm

ITT: people on a history board who are surprised that historical documents have been destroyed.

Brainlets, every one of you.

>>3304874
It was literally the dumbest thing the Germans did, the eastern europeans all hated the russians, instead of using this hate to win them as real allies and beat the Russians with their support, they made themselves the even bigger evil than Russia and the support of the population swang towards the Soviet Union.

After Germany won the western front so quickly and decisevely they were just too greedy and too haughty. They could have definetely won the whole war otherwise.

>>3306816
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrbauer

>>3304874
Any proofs? Plan Ost was "detected" after war as micro-movie and meme started to be forced. There werent official German documents. Version of total removing of all copies is dumb.

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>>3304874
Hitler only followed his role model

>>3306872
How about Hitler telling everyone countless times that the Nazi ideology is about "fight for survival between races" and that the whole point is to exterminate inferior races to make place for the superior ones? It even says so in Mein Kampf.

>>3306887
its enough to read the general guidelines and directive of the fürher or OKH regarding the occupied territories

luckily they also cite generalplan ost
but its useless to argue with underage brainlet, i suggest you dont try either

>>3304874
it was the non serious musings of one general that were never planned as official policy or even seen by Hitler probably, but was seized upon after the war to push the "nazis were ebil" meme.

Hundreds of thousands of Russian and Ukrainian volunteers fought alongside Hitler, and Hitler planned to create an independent Russian state in the region afterwards.

>>3306710
More liek
>be gauleiter
>autistic mongoloid chink Himmler asks you to carry out ethnic cleansing policy
>just ask local population to officially register as German and culturally become German and claim they have German ancestry
>himmler autistically bitches
>tell him to fuck off
>himmler goes and whines to hitler about you
>hitler tells him to fuck off
>himmler comes back and does some more whining

Himmler and Rosenberg were retarded weirdos that had no effectual actions on policy besides their "theories". All the administration was done by gauleiters. Gauleiters were way more interested in trying to administer a huge area of millions of slavs with only a few thousand german civil cervant. They weren't interested in Himmler's racialist daydreaming.

>>3306882
but Hitler hated all Americans but Henry Ford

>>3306842
it's just /pol/turds

>>3306887
All radicals say bright phrases. What about real state politics expressed in documents?

>>3306936
>>3306842
I don't think you goys appreciate how genuinely autistic Germans are when it comes to keeping records. They kept multiple written records on everything down to the smallest detail, it's why military historians have such clear knowledge of various battles in the east; not because of soviet records, but because of the shitloads of highly detailed german records on literally everything.

The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling, especially when there's plenty of documentation that indicates that the Hitler had requested his generals to come up with a provisional plan for creating independent puppet states in the region.

If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race. Its mostly french people that he hates, but he admires Russians and says they're a mighty race that has been degraded by the jew.

>>3306950
>The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling
Yup, it goes to show that even they realized how fucking edgy it is to plan the extermination of so many innocent civilians. Didn't they also destroy Holocaust-related documents?

>>3306950

>extremely autistic and efficient
>weren't able to destroy all copies of a small number of top secret plans

>>3306887
>fight for survival between races
yes and Hitler wanted to ensure the survival of the Indo European race (also known as Aryan race) of which slavic people (Poles, Russians,...) are also part. the narrative that nazis wanted to exterminate slavs is therefore a very weird one to make since this is in full contrast with the nazi racial theories.

>>3306950
>The fact that an alleged huge major plan for an entire continent was completely wiped from the records is very telling
Well, we still have records of shitloads of people being wiped out and German documents (From Goering IIRC) for so called hunger plan, which was supposed to kill 10 or 20 million people.

>plenty of documentation that indicates that the Hitler had requested his generals to come up with a provisional plan for creating independent puppet states in the region
Then show the documentation, since reality goes against your claim.

>If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race.
Russian race, as Russian race or "Iranian German elite ruling mongoloid Slavs"?

>>3306751
>You people interested in Nazi relics and relics of grand importance for humanity? its probably somewhere close to the gotthardt tunnel in a giant bunker system run by the swiss.
Those damn mountain jews at it again.

>>3306932
He literally saw manifest destiny as a blueprint and as justification for generalplan ost

>>3306986
Why did they kill 3 million Poles? Why did they kill more than 10 million Soviet civilians? Why did they settle more than million Germans in Poland?

>>3306986
Germans seen Slavs as mixed with Jews and Mongoloids.

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>>3306996
>"Iranian German elite ruling mongoloid Slavs"?
This was the next level of wewuzery.

>you have sin 1.
>yes, you destroyed all evidences, such as with sin 2.
>try to prove you havent sin 1.

>>3306975
>small number
Why so? Such plan should been looked as:
1. Poland.
1.1 Province 1.
1.1.1 City 1. Kill 46000 Poles, all Jews, 350 Ukrainians.
1.1.2 Village 1. Kill 700 Poles, all Jews, 10 Czechs.

So plan (or at least related point) should been located in every fucking district.

>>3307015
I'll try to explain their reasoning to you

>Why did they kill 3 million Poles?
jews and marxists were killed by the nazis regardless of their nationality or race
German communists also weren't safe
Why did they kill more than 10 million Soviet civilians?
again marxists aren't shown mercy by the nazis, their goal was to crush and destroy bolsjevism in Russia and they were prepared to kill people to achieve that goal
Why did they settle more than million Germans in Poland?
nazi Germany considered a chunk of Poland to be rightfully German land
most of the high ranked nazis were romanticists when it came to German history and they all had a vision of a Greater Germania which always included the former Prussian lands lost under Versailles

>>3307018
not all slavs but some yes, the race theory went pretty deep into which areas of eastern europe could be considered "pure" and which not. not pure were for instance tartars in ukraine or polish jews

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>>3307070
You polturds lie so much you don't even understand the half of shit you spout

I pity anyone who takes you seriously, your brains are completely fried by lies and propaganda

>>3304995
quality post

>>3307070
>3 milion Poles
>marxists
Dude, you have no clue what you are talking about. Germans were literally catching random Poles from the streats of Warsaw in so called "łapanka" (round-ups) to deport them to concentration camps or slave work on german farms. You have idealized view of ww2 germany typical for /pol/fags.

>>3306986
The Nazis didn't categorise races after linguistic criteria. Slavs were not Aryans.

>>3306942
So what other politicians talk openly about exterminating inferior races?

>>3306950
No he didn't, he calls them unable to form a state by themselves which is why all russian state leaders were either Germans or Jews, and because of this inferiority Germans have a right to settle on their land.

>>3307093
Slavs were actually seen as "the worst Aryans", whose only purpose would be to work as slaves.

>>3307099
He saw some slavic people as aryan in origin who got assimilated by slavs, but he did not see Slavs as Aryans.

>>3307089
>try to explain the viewpoint of the Germans to make something more clear
>hurr durr stop you evil nazi, we are only allowed to explain things within the limits/viewpoints of our modern day western reasoning
I'm trying to help you comprehend how they think and all I get in return is some passive agressive answer telling me to stop viewing things in other perspectives

>>3307092
there were a lot of jews and communists in Poland my friend. now ofc some of the death will also be non-communists especially when some hero wants to stop the SS from rounding up jews or communists. I am aware that not all of those 3 million fit the criteria I wrote down

>>3307093
pure blooded slavs were considered Aryan

the liguistic term is used for languages that have a lot in common and possible share a common ancestor-language
the racial part of the theory implies that these languages evolved out of the same group of people (the Aryans) spreading out across the world and thereby adapting the languages while still maintaining a common core of linguistic rules.

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>>3307138
You are spouting literal lies. Why should i treat you seriously? There's no reasoning with you braindead idiots.

>>3307138
>I am aware that not all of those 3 million fit the criteria I wrote down
protip: Virtually none of them did.

>>3307138
They were only called "Aryan" in the context of Jews, were every people was "Aryan" that was surpressed by Jews. In 1942 the Nazis clearly defined that French, English, Baltics, Scandinavians, Romanians, Albanians, some Poles, Bulgarians, and some other allied peoples had the same origin as german and got classified as "artverwandt" (e.g. race-related) and were able to serve in the Wehrmacht and the SS. Russians and other slavs were explicitly named as not race-related.

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>>3306950
>If you read Mein Kampf, Hitler actually even respects the Russian race.
He literally calls them an inferior race and that the Russian state was built upon Germanic elements, have you even read Mein Kampf?

>Denn die Organisation eines russischen Staatsgebildes war nicht das Ergebnis der staatspolitischen Fähigkeiten des Slawentums in Rußland, sondern vielmehr nur ein wundervolles Beispiel für die staatenbildende Wirksamkeit des germanischen Elementes in einer minderwertigen Rasse. So sind zahlreiche mächtige Reiche der Erde geschaffen worden. Niedere Völker mit germanischen Organisatoren und Herren als Leiter derselben sind öfter als einmal zu gewaltigen Staatengebilden angeschwollen und blieben bestehen, solange der rassische Kern der bildenden Staatsrasse sich erhielt.
p.742

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>>3307183
And here he's mentioning about the past threat of Pan-Slavist Russia
>>Ich vergesse nicht die dauernde freche Bedrohung, die das damalige panslawistische Rußland Deutschland zu bieten wagte;
p.753

>>3307157
what are my lies? I'm just trying summarise the NatSoc ideology and literature to help people understand some of the shit the nazis did in WW2. how else can you undestand some events if you don't know how they rationalised?

>>3307170
I'm pretty sure a pretty big chunk of those 3 million were jews and marxists mate
I mean the Holocaust was almost 1 million Polish jews if I'm not mistaken? and less than million marxists (communists, socialists, union leaders) in a country with a population of 30 million is also a fair (even low) estimate no?
I don't know wheter resistance fighters are counted in those 3 million but if they are, they would probably be the third largest chunk of that pie.

>>3307195
>I'm pretty sure a pretty big chunk of those 3 million were jews and marxists mate
I'm pretty sure, you are ignorant on the subject, but that is expected from a neonazi. Three millions goes exclusively for ethnic Poles, on top of that Hitler murdered 3 million Polish Jews. Marxists were almost non-existent in Poland, even the socialist party had only 5% in elections.

>>3307247
sh-shut up kike shill cuck!

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>In March 1941 Hans Frank informed his subordinates that Hitler had made the decision to "turn this region into a purely German area within 15–20 years". He explained: "Where 12 million Poles now live, is to be populated by 4 to 5 million Germans. The Generalgouvernement must become as German as the Rhineland."

>By 1942 Hitler and Frank had agreed that the Kraków ("with its purely German capital") and Lublin districts would be the first areas for German colonists to re-populate. Hitler stated: "When these two weak points have been strengthened, it should be possible to slowly drive back the Poles." Subsequently, German policy envisaged reducing lower-class Poles to the status of serfs, while deporting or otherwise eliminating the middle and upper classes and eventually replacing them with German colonists of the "master race".

>>3307267
Why are many lower-class Poles neo-nazis today? lol

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The General Gouvernment is our work force reservoir for lowgrade work (brick plants, road building, etc.) ... Unconditionally, attention should be paid to the fact that there can be no "Polish masters"; where there are Polish masters, and I do not care how hard this sounds, they must be killed. (...) The Führer must emphasize once again that for Poles there is only one master and he is a German, there can be no two masters beside each other and there is no consent to such, hence all representatives of the Polish intelligentsia are to be killed ... The General Gouvernment is a Polish reservation, a great Polish labor camp. — Note of Martin Bormann from the meeting of Dr. Hans Frank with Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 2 October 1940.

>>3307195
Like i said, there is no reasoning with your lot. Like all Neo-Nazis, you are trying hard to whitewash Nazi atrocities in order to make your little failed ideology more feasible to new, naive recruits to your movement. Funny though how you can't even do this right without sociopathically justifying obvious ethnic cleansing attempts by blaming it on ready-made scapegoats.

Only an idiot would take you seriously. Shouldn't be surprising that most of the Neo-Nazis are idiots.

>>3304874

I never got why eastern europeans are such neo-nazis when they were basically one step above jews in nazi dogma.

>>3307270
Butthurt against communism is stronger.

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>>3307270
They aren't. Polish nationalism has anti-German fundaments.

>>3307270

my guess is that they are stupid people in general, are poorly educated, and hate jews. So since they are poor and stupid, they think jews are behind all of their suffering, then they start looking up anti jew stuff online which will obviously be tied to stormfaggotry pro hitler youtube videos, they watch that, and then put two and two together.

All the while, they probably know nothing about how Poland was raped to death by Hitler, they love him because he went after the jews.

>>3307296
Stop projecting. They hate Germans and aren't greatful that Htiler was killing jews. They even demand unpaid reparations for WW2.

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>>3304874
>Germans purposefully starve the people of Eastern Europe, destroy their towns, villages, and cities
>Murder the Polish intelligentsia (Operation Tannenberg, Intelligenzaktion, Palmiry massacre, AB-Aktion)
>Subject Soviet POWs to starvation, forced labor, and brutality that results in over 3 million of them perishing
>Begin "Germanization" of Poland by suppressing and trying to erase any trace of their history and culture, which included plans to completely restructure Warsaw.
>Enslave millions of innocent Soviet citizens to prop up the German war machine.
>Use propaganda to portray Russians as being inferior subhumans
>"Ukraine children need no schools. What they'll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters." - Gauleiter Erich koch
>"We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here." - Gauleiter Erich koch
>Stormfags still claim the Nazis loved slavs and Generalplan Ost was a myth.

>>3307303

Im talking specifically about poles who are neonazis.

>>3307318
They are like 0,1% of them, and most of them come from Silesia - a region which was annected to a Third Reich and 95% of people (including Poles) declared German nationality. Therefore they were not opressed or deported, but forced to serve in Wehrmacht instead.

>>3306929
>We are a master race, which must remember that the lowliest German worker is racially and biologically a thousand times more valuable than the population here
>Ukraine children need no schools. What they'll have to learn will be taught them by their German masters
>If I meet a Ukrainian worthy of being seated at my table, I must have him shot
Gauleiter Erich Koch

>>3307318
Nazism has evolved into just generic white nationalism. You could talk all day about the reasons why, but unfortunately I don't think there's ever been any academic work or investigation onto this. Even there was I'm sure it would be tampered with political bias and agenda.

>>3307138
>there were a lot of jews and communists in Poland my friend
>a lot of communists in poland
>in poland
>communists
Are you mentally ill?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanation

>>3307329
yeah, I noticed this to. My best guess is because of George Rockwell who simply appropriated nazism to america. And American racism is a lot different from Hitlers racism, since america is more about "white" in general than just specific european ethnicities vs another. Then this spread to other similar groups like National Front in France and their British counter parts ect. which was fuelled by those countries being filled with brown people from their former imperial territories in the post war years.

>>3307367
>this spread to other similar groups like National Front in France
???

>>3307367
Was he really that influential? I always thought he was just some larper that only Illinoisans really cared about since they had to deal with him.

Not every white racist is a Nazi, just like not every communist is a Stalinist.

>>3307377

A guy LARPing as Hitler ironically in the wake of WW2 was a pretty big deal. Thats just my idea though. Rockwell is the biggest and earlierst example I know of of neo-nazism as it evolved into this general idea of white nationalism. The American Nazi Party, which turned into the National Socialist Movement, is the largest neo-nazi group in america.

>>3307381
White racist ideologies existed way before Hitler. He wasn't even the first one to make it a state ideology, that would be Mussolini.

>>3307380
Ok, and?

>>3307387
>I know of of neo-nazism as it evolved into this general idea of white nationalism

>>3307381
My dad grew up in Illinois at the time and talked about how he remembered it. He made it seem like it wasn't a huge important thing just some trouble makers. Maybe I interpreted him wrong idk.

>>3307386
>White racist ideologies existed way before Hitler.

of course they did, but then they all started loving hitler for some reason because they think he was the final push of their idea against a globalized world.

>>3307397
The Nazis had the biggest success

>>3307397
Most white racists I know actually hate him because he ruined the concept forever.

>>3307381

Also, I think liberals are too blame for this as well in a way. Their handling of education is this appeals to emotion cartoon character of hitler. Hitler was evil because he was racist. That seems to be the most important point schools try to drive into the heads of students instead of even attempting to educate them on the grander scheme of the war. This is why the typical stormfag is so fucking clueless on WW2 history.

And then, when they are getting beat up by the black kids for the 5th time that school year, they start to think "god, black people are assholes" then they put two and two together, realize Hitler was racist and only cared about white people, just like they were taught, and come to view Hitler as a hero that would have saved them from their hell.

>>3307328
That guy was absolute nigger, when trains were evacuating population from East Prussia, he ordered civilians to get out and filled the trains with furniture from house of his family

>>3307408

for all their talk of warrior spirit and esoteric appeal to violence and all that other shit, its hilarious how much the nazi command were sniveling and cowardly gluttonous bureaucrats. What a complete farce

>>3307386
>Mussolini
What? Mussolini wasn't racist. Maybe partially, but nowhere near as much as Hitler.

>>3306557
And how did they piss off Hitler?

>>3307434
When dealing with such a race as Slavic — inferior and barbarian — we must not pursue the carrot, but the stick policy ... We should not be afraid of new victims ... The Italian border should run across the Brenner Pass, Monte Nevoso and the Dinaric Alps ... I would say we can easily sacrifice 500,000 barbaric Slavs for 50,000 Italians ...

—Benito Mussolini, speech held in Pula, 20 September 1920

It's true though that it wasn't as biological as Nazi-racism, and was more about white nations being superior because of their culture and history, and they also strongly argued to assimilate as many people as possible into "whiteness". So in that sense Mussolini was probably much closer to modern white supermacist than Hitler.

>>3307428
>power hungry assholes are huge hypocrites
Who would've thought

>>3307459
Tbh i think that he meant Croats/Slovenes by that, Mussolini highly admired Czechs

>>3307476
Once they were done with Poles, Russians and Yugoslavs. Czechs would be next.

>>3307476
*Hussite movement, he didn't gave two fucks about Czechs as a nation.

bump ;^)

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STOP REPOSTING THIS YOU COON..

>>3304874
Its ideology.

Nationalism.

I generally prefer company of Germans to poles but that's just me.

>>3309168
bump

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>>3307306
In the brochure you're posting Croats and Slovaks are used as examples of Aryans. You're yet another libtard fuckface who doesn't even bother reading primary material and gets all of his (((knowledge))) from Timothy Snyder.

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>>3310614
OJ HRVATI OJ JUNACI HAJDEMO

>>3307270
Poles manage to be anti-nazi and anti-communist at the same time, which doesn't fit into the average antifag or stormfag world view.

>>3310614
Germans saw Slavs as slaves, Slovaks and Croats acted as slaves.

Once Slovaks stopped being good slaves, there were treated as subhumans.

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>>3310659
>it was real in my mind

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>>3310682
Ecce cuckold!

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>>3310694

>>3310682
They were literally Hilfsvölker, disposable meat shields. Slavic fascists and collaborators were the biggest cucks in the Third Reich.

>>3310705
>>3310701

>>3310712
Do you even understand the concept of auxiliary troops? Slovak and Croat troops were third grade soldiers in the Wehrmacht.
Fucking retard.

>>3307183
>>3307194

How odd that no one else has replied to these posts...

>>3310717
It's even worse, after the Slovak revolt, Germans were ready to target local civilians and sent Dirlewanger against them.

>>3310614
Poles were considered Aryans in the 1930s. In 1940s the Nazis changed their mind and declared them racially inferior.

>>3310717
They weren't in the Wehrmacht to begin with you stupid fuck, and weren't part of auxiliary divisions either, as they had their own national militaries.

>>3310732
>(((Slovak))) revolt
You mean the Bolshevik sponsored coup staffed with foreign partisans.

>>3310732
The Slovak Republic was a German puppet state that provided manpower and resources to the German war machinery. They were literally seen as disposable free war material against the Soviets.

>>3310742
>You mean the Bolshevik sponsored coup staffed with foreign partisans.

Brilliant observation! It has just two little, minor, irrelevant errors:
>Bolsheviks distrusted the revolters and failed to utilize it
>Most of people who fought were Slovak military men

>>3310743
Oretty bold claim considering Slovakia had neither manpower nor resources. Not to mention baseless.

>>3310749
Slovaks were German lapdogs and were spared as long as they swallowed German semen, get over it.

>>3310747
>15 000 traitors, mostly either communists or Czechoslovakists directly under the control of London
>bolstered by actual Soviet troops and Czechs and put under Soviet command
>this somehow being relevant when Hlinka Guard alone had over 100 000 members

>>3310749
>deranged Jew leftist projecting his sexual fantasies

>>3310758
>>15 000 traitors, mostly either communists or Czechoslovakists directly under the control of London
60 000 Slovak soldiers, actually
sauce: Plevza, V. a kolektív: Dejiny Slovenského národného povstania 1944 - 5. zväzok

>bolstered by actual Soviet troops and Czechs and put under Soviet command
Leader was Jan Golian, who was reported to E. Benesh. Soviet troops constitued a very small proportion.

>this somehow being relevant when Hlinka Guard alone had over 100 000 members
This was during the time when there was a threat of Magyar invasion. Their numbers drop rapidly and one could guess by 1944 most of them were in 1st Czechoslovak army on Slovakia.

>>3307138
List of some notable Poles murdered by Nazi Germany

>St. Maksymilian Kolbe - priest murdered in KL Auschwitz. He volounteered to be killed instead of an other prisoner who was chosen to starve as a collective punishment for some guys escaping. Also known for being antisemitic and convinced of a great jewish conspiracy.

>Jan Mosdorf - Leader of nationalist organization ONR. Antisemite, shot in KL Auschwitz.

>Blessed Paweł Barański - priest, killed in Dachau

>Jan Cudek - chairman of Kielce Football Association.

>Zygmunt Cardini - right-wing christian democracy politician.

>Jan Buzek - right-wing politician, doctor

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book-Poland

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_AB-Aktion_in_Poland

And that is only a part of these 17% of Polish people that perished in WW2.

>>3310783
>Golian not under Soviet comnand
He directly reported to Konev despite being formally "Czechoslovak" (which wouldn't matter either way since Benes was a British puppet).

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>let's attack and piss off the people who hated the russians an would've allied with us

>>3310783
Also, the book you quoted as a source was written in the 1980s by a die hard communist and a director of the National Institute of Marxism-Leninism, so much for credibility. High chance you haven't ever read him and just dug up his name from somewhere on cuckoldpedia or something.

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Yes, the Nazis really loved Poles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_decrees
Just look at this cool badge.

>>3307318
Neonazis are only a very small fraction of Polish nationalists. Most of them are just your average chauvnists and racists who hate:

>Russians (because partitions, but also because they are associated with communism and the crimes commies commited in WW2. It is further aggravated because current government is promoting this sentiments among young people with the mythologization of anti-commie partisans after WW2)
>Germans (because obvious shit, but also because FUCK EU FAGGOTS GIB FREE MONIEZ)
>Ukrainians (because Wołyń massacre but also becasue they are like million of them in Poland now, so they can beat them up rather eaisly)
>Arabs (because muh terrorism, muh no-go zones, lately because some polish girl was raped by people who are suspected to be Arabs. It is also just ordinary racism. It is especially hard for them, when they have to fight urges to buy a kebab at 3AM returning from a disco, but they know it would mean betraying their duty to the nation)
>Nignogs (easy to spot, little of them, always a risk because they might get fucked up by Izugabe Ugonoh, kickboxing champion.)

As to who they are - mostly football ultras, lower-class people, emmigrants but also younger people who are into it, because it is radical chic and this ideology is pushed by the media

>>3310783
slow akians contributed with about 3 regiments, to the wehmacht, which were had to be disarmed when the soviets approached the carpathians in 44, many simply refused to fight already

slavshits gona slavshit

>>3310809
Still better than your empty claims. Is Slovak Republic a better source?
>http://www.slovak-republic.org/history/world-war-2/

>He directly reported to Konev despite being formally
You are mistaken. Only Communist partisan group like Chapayev were under Soviet command. More on Soviet-Slovak relations: http://www.mojepovstanie.sk/vase_pribehy/13/Soviet%20role%20in%20the%20SNU%20(web%20version).pdf

>Benes was a British puppet
No, not really, by that logic France and Poland were British puppets too. If you want to see puppets look at Tiso.

>>3310865
Fuck off, Slovaks fought Germans by dozens of thousands.

>>3310918
>wikipedia scholars

>>3311333
>No argumenst: The Post

Thank you for your valuable insight.

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>>3311407
I could recommend some books from Durica but then again you probably can't even speak the language they're written in, seeing you're just copypasting wikipedia shit like a brainlet.

>>3311421
Or maybe you could try actually making arguments, instead of namedropping a random clerofascist and and pretending to be knowledgeable.

>>3311421
>calls others brainlets yet still doesn't understand the difference between "white pride"/"white power" and other slogans using the words "pride" and "power" too
>gets all excited and thinks archiving the explanation is "epic"
sad!

>>3311455
>clerofascist
>says the guy unironically namedropping Marxist propaganda

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>>3304874
Jokes on Hitler, the last Blondes will be Slavs.

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>>3311456
Black Pride was started by black racial terrorists and communists.

>>3311475
>namedropping Marxist propaganda

At least I see. Hitler knew your nation exists, he throught of you as equal and wanted the best for you. Those dozens of thousands of Slovaks who rebelled were in fact few thousands Czechs, Russians and Jews. Majority of Slovaks stayed loyal to the end and fought against Soviets in a massive uprising that was covered up by {{{historaians}}} Civilians who were killed by Germans fully deserved it because they were communists and Jews. And all thanks to your words, everything on the contrary is Marxist propaganda.

>>3311504
>Majority of Slovaks stayed loyal to the end and fought against Soviets in a massive uprising that was covered up by {{{historaians}}}
?

>>3311529
Only a Jew would say otherwise.

>>3311504
See >>3310783
You used Plevza, a Marxist, as a source. Without even reading him though, you just grabbed the name out of wikipedia. So I'm dealing here with a brainlet who is trying to use books HE NEVER READ as a source, why exactly should I take you seriously again? You're also using words like "clerofascist" which is a word applied by Soviet propaganda, Slovak government never described itself as such.
The rest of your post is just semitic screeching.

>>3311535
>You used Plevza, a Marxist, as a source.
Then I corrected myself and used official numbers from Slovak Republic.

>Slovak government never described itself as such
It is described commonly as such.

Meanwhile you failed to produce A SINGLE FUCKING SOURCE for your arguments and expects us to take your revisionism seriously.

>>3311547
Frantisek Vnuk: Neuveritelne sprisahanie, vojenske a politicke akcie proti Slovenskej republike v roku 1944
Milan Durica: Slovensky narod a jeho statnost

Have fun.

>>3311558
That's just namedropping and on top of that Durica is heavily biased and not very reliable (we agreed to disregard politically motivated authors and find alternative sources, right?).

>J. Golian was under direct command of Konev
>Benes was puppet of London
>Those brave men who fought against Nazis counted only 15 000 and a lot of them were Russians
Those are your claims that goes against historical consensus, go find evidence for them.

>>3311582
>historical consensus
Of Czechoslovakists and Bolsheviks.
>those brave men
You mean traitors.

>>3311595
Stuff a tampon up your arse and go find me the sources.

Or are you going to follow the postmodernistic tactic popular within neonazi circles where facts don't matter, everyone is biased and only feelings matter? If so, i would advice you to emigrate to a board dedicated to such disscusions.

>>3311619
I gave you the sources. You're just ignoring them for whatever reason.

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>>3307428

>>3311499
I wonder why!

>>3311627
Then be so kind and link them in .pdf or show us the pages where they are supposed to have solid evidence that they are correct and Slovak goverment along with many military historians are wrong.

All I could find from Vnuk were passages criticizing Soviet Dukla op and for Durica I only found a review where he is criticized for wewuz-ism and writing history in "we good they bad" manner.

>>3311683
Do you understand Slovak?

>>3311686
I'm a Slav, so I guess I could.

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>>3307403
>the mere act of being a racist doesn't ruin the concept

>>3311693
You can read Sprisahanie here: http://www.29august1944.sk/dokumenty/frantisek-vnuk_neuveritelne-sprisahanie.pdf
As for Durica I don't have anything in PDF, only physical books.

>>3307367
>National Front in France and their British counter parts
You're not subtle. You know that, right?

>>3310839
Kebabs aren't arab though, you fucking retard.

>>3311488
>finns and balts
>slavs
?

>>3306996
>"Iranian German elite ruling mongoloid Slavs
?

>>3311488
>>3311749
that image is an unsourced shit anyway

>>3306996
>Iranian

>>3311816
>>3311924
t. clueless wewuzzerz

>>3304874
They were just getting some living space bro.

Don't be such a square.

>>3311933
>thinks Russian elites were Iranian
>calls anyone else a wewuzer
t. Reza Muhammad Jendehani

>>3311954
'sup Reza Muhammad Jendehani

>>3311727
Now we are talking. Howere all I found nothing that would support your claims. Sometimes even the contrary,
>The whole publication is written in heavily emotional tone and only rarely provides citation or deliberatly misuses them
>I found author citing Himmler that morale of Slovak forces in Axis was terrible and they were ready to desert to Stalin
>Author points out Nazis blamed Jews for the uprising (he doesn't, unlike you) and that Tiso aimed to save them
>The claim that the uprising was not mostly Slovak comes from some report from 1. Panzerarmee. Wermacht did not have sufficient informations to make this claim, neither credibility for us to trust them
>Author doesn't provide sufficient evidence that the uprising was not uprising of Slovak people, merely expects us to share his sentiment
>Author claims that the partisans caused the same damage to civilian population as the Germans, again without evidence. Rouge Communist partisans were notorious bandits, but their numbers were not enough to equalize them with Germans.
>Author based his claim of Uprising being terribly weak on the amount of German forces who fought against them. However he heavily misjudges German forces (Namely he ignores armament possesed and underestimates their numbers)
>Interestingly he gets anrgy when Czech propaganda tried to marginalize the uprising

Author even supports those marxist 60 000 soldiers.
>The uprising spread only over those districts of Central Slovakia which were infested by the partisan infiltration. In the beginning the military leadership had at its disposal some 10,000 men under arms (16 batallions and 10 companies of infantry, 13 batteries of artillery) whose number was increased by military conscription to 60,000.

At the end publisher utterly destroys credibility of publication:
>Pre Slovensko znamenalo pohromu, od ktorej väčšou bol len rok 907, kedy pod spoločným náporom maďarsko-germánsko-čekých kmeňov zanikla Veľkoslovenská ríša.

>>3311986
>that the uprising was not an uprising of the Slovak people
>Slovak people
I'd say the burden of proof would be on you to prove it was a popular uprising and not an attempt of a military coup directed from abroad. Random people were not joining it.

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>>3311986
Also, you obviously don't understand the language, nobody is citing Himmler, it was a telegram from Franz Karmasin TO Himmler, which was based on Karmasin's meeting with a few officers in Zilina, which the book doesn't mention.

>damage
Are we talking about human or material damage? Either way, most of the damage was caused by Allied bombing raids (which crippled the economy), not by anyone on the ground and certainly not the Germans.

>>3312003
On the contrary, when uprising happens it most likely uprising of local people.Burden of proof lies on the one who claims it was a conspiracy.

In this case Slovaks constitued majority of rebels and more of Slovaks fought against Nazis than for them.

>directed from abroad
It was coordinated with Soviets and London for reasons obvious. But the coordination failed and partisans attacked prematurely.

>Random people were not joining it
>whose number was increased by military conscription to 60,000
They were joining.

>>3312031
>Also, you obviously don't understand the language, nobody is citing Himmler
I'm tired and forgot it. Important thing is that author claims morale of Slovaks in Axis was broken. Which is supported by lost of trust by their German commanders.

>Are we talking about human or material damage?
Human, civilian to be precise. Factories were legitimate target of the bombing. Bombing (German, allied and Soviet attributed) attribute for 8 thousands of death. German terror goes for at least 5 000 dead civilians and there are also 10 000-15 000 dead members of the uprising. But the winner here would certainly be the Jewish holocaust.

But lets not move goalposts, I wa talking about intentional damage caused by banditry of partisans and German tyranny, not about collateral damage.

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>>3311740
That is what (((they))) told you

>>3312167
That's the point, uprising is a misnomer. It was a military coup.

>>3312294
>Slovak state lost authority over it's military during war time
>The said military joined forces with some of the allied camp and rebelled
>When they rebelled they enjoyed some popular support (enough to triple their ranks, but not comparable to Polish or Czech uprising)
>The puppet Slovak state wouldn't survive against them, Germans had to intervene
>Battle is fought with Slovaks on one side (bolstered by 10% of foreigners), Germans on the other (bolstered by Slovaks, out of which many had to be forced to fight against their own)
>Germans target innocent Slovaks by thousands and burn down settlements in their revanchist raids, while Soviet partisans sometimes engage in banditry

The fact that only legitimacy Slovak state had came from German military disqualify it from being a coup. Do you have any studies on Slovak support for Tiso's regime by 1944? Please no studies with Czecho-Magyaro-Germanic hordes destroying Great Slovakia.

>>3312390
I'm shocked you didn't address the crucial part that was actually emphasized in the book - it was a coup by the officer class, who tended to be veteran ex-legionnaires, rabid Czechoslovakists and Protestant Lutherans (Catlos, Golian, Viest), traditionally in opposition to the Catholic nationalists who constituted the vast majority of the country. It was the officers who got coopted into helping the Allies, and even they were initially reluctant to launch the coup, which is why Soviet bandits got sent into the area, to blow up shit and murder people in order to provoke the Germans and bait them into invading.
>popular support enough to triple their ranks
There was no popular support, you yourself mentioned those people were conscripted and not volunteers, so why contradict yourself now?
>hordes destroying Great Slovakia
Is your entire argument against Vnuk the fact he's a wewuzer when it comes to early middle ages? Hardly relevant to the topic at hand.

>>3312586
>it was a coup by the officer class
Because officers can fight alone, right? Or when they desert German forces, the soldiers do automatically follow them even though there is still Tiso in their hearts? You failed to adress the fact more Slovaks fought against the regime than fought for it and Germans did not even considered Slovak soldiers loyal assets anymore. When we have one side composed mainly of Slovaks and the other side made up mainly from Germans revolt. Coups work in entirely different way.

>to blow up shit and murder people in order to provoke the Germans and bait them into invading.
You mean to sabotage efforts of German army? I doubt Germans would care about random Slavs being harassed. To adress your argument: Germans attacked faster than rebels expected, if Soviets were to "bait" the Germans they would do so to damage effort of the uprising. In your world did Soviets wanted the uprising fail or not?

>Catholic nationalists constituted the vast majority of the country.
Despite your namecalling, only data we have are the 1935 elections and they show the support for parties loyal to prague was higher than support for separatists. Do we have data in support for Tiso's regime in 1944?

>There was no popular support, you yourself mentioned those people were conscripted and not volunteers, so why contradict yourself now?
You author used the word "conscript", I quoted it to show even revisionists use the number. However there is no reason to think they were forced to fight.

>Is your entire argument against Vnuk the fact he's a wewuzer when it comes to early middle ages?
My entire argument? Oh yes, let's just ignore the walls of text I have written. I just pointed it out as a joke and to show what kind of people are we dealing and how easy do they falsify history to please their feelings. Seriously though it's a massive red flag, how can you take the publication as anything else than a joke? Just because it supports your ideology?

>>3312244
>Turks
>Arabs
hello brainlet