Did the Armenian Genocide really happen?

yeah

>>3291128
no

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>>3291128
Reminder there is literally no proof whatsoever of the Armenian Genocide. Just ask Bernard Lewis.

>>3291128
No there's only relocation

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>>3291128
lololololol the term genocide didn't exist back then so it wasn't a genocide and therefore Cenk Uyghur did nothing wrong

>>3291198
>If I made every white person in America move the fuck out at the snap of my fingers you'd be calling genocide in a night

This has already happened, thanks to certain (((politicians))) and (((civil rights))) (((activists))).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

No one called it genocide. Your comment has been debunked.

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>>3291169
Ask him soon, he's 101 years old and probably won't last much longer

There's literally no doubt about it. Only people who deny it are Turks.

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>>3291128
no millions of people are just making it up.

>>3291310
>Only people who deny it are most relevant historians

fixed

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>>3291128
No, because Eastern Anatolia has always belonged to the Kurds living their for millenia.

>>3291128
the t*rks even marched into urumiah in persia and massacred the assyrians living there. of course it happened. they were islamofascist nationalists who hated their ethnic and religious minorities even when they were loyal to the ottoman authorities. like eastern catholic bishop ignatius maloyan.

>>3291313
eat shit, billions of flies can't be wrong

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>>3291128
Does anyone actually have any proof it actually happened? I've yet to see any. The burden of proof is on those who claim this supposed "genocide" happened.

Did the Assyrian and Pontic Greek genocide really happen?

>>3291689
The Assyrian genocide, yes.
The Greek genocide, yes.
Armenian lie, no.

>>3291128
no, innocent muslims would never genocide christians, would they?

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>>3291128
Um No sweetie. Islam is a religion of peace those weren't true Muslims.

>>3292040
>>3292053
>>>/pol/

Ideologically motivated strawmen go to the containment board.

>armenians mass revolt
>try and genocide turkish civillians
>attack the government they are subjects of
>guilty of treason, secession, and sedition as an ethnicity
>numbers don't even add up
Turks had a pretty tame response.

>>3292121
If they were successful would there be Turkish protests and rallies about the Turkish genocide?

>>3291264
white people just go to other parts of America that are richer and safer. it's not forced

Daily reminder that controversial opinions tend to get more attention and therefore more consideration

>>3292121
wew literally none of that is right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4

>Before Russia invaded Turkey, Russian military officials met with many high ranking Armenian leaders (Dashnak and Hunchak leaders), and it was already apparent with the thousands of Armenians who deserted the Ottoman army with their guns to join the Russian army or the Armenian rebel armies. The Armenians promised many volunteers to guide the Russians into the Ottoman territory and many soldiers to fight.

>two Moslem and an Armenian had just been elected to the Ottoman parliament, and that there had been no sign of hostility between the Moslems and the Armenians. The Turks, and in particular, the Turkish officers have been on very good terms with the Armenians. But the Armenians, who have been instigated against the Turks and the Moslem by their revolutionary associations, do not forge close ties to their Moslem neighbors.

>A dispatch received by The Daily Telegraph from Tiflis, capital of the Government of Caucasia, by way of Moscow, says: “The Turkish town of Van (140 miles southeast of Erzerum) is being besieged by a detachment of Armenians, who are aiding the Russians. The town has a large arsenal. “Another Armenian detachment is operating in the rear of the Turkish Army.” During the invasion, the city of Van was captured, and many Muslims were massacred by the Armenians.

>Regardless, the Ottomans did still try to pay the Armenians, shelter the Armenians, and guard the Armenians. All of which, is contradictory to the concept that an Armenian Genocide took place. The hanging of criminals and Ottomans who attacked Armenian convoys is also documented in many archives.

>>3292133
No, because Turks have more things to do like make kebab, not finish Bannerlord, and make serial dramas.

>>3292233
>Due to the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia, the Russians withdrew from the invasion. The Armenian commanders and their armies were left behind to continue the war, and as Boghos Nubar expressed, they fought until the bitter end.

>The Ottoman leaders issued decrees to relocate Armenians in Eastern Anatolia, because of the difficulty of identifying Armenian rebels who disguise themselves as innocent Armenians during the day, and at night become fedayees (rebels). The forced relocation had many excesses, and the reason for this was disease and lack of resources of the Ottoman government.

>Regardless, the Ottomans did still try to pay the Armenians, shelter the Armenians, and guard the Armenians. All of which, is contradictory to the concept that an Armenian Genocide took place. The hanging of criminals and Ottomans who attacked Armenian convoys is also documented in many archives.

>After the Russian retreat, the Armenian armies were unable to continue their efforts. They relied heavily on aid from the British, French, and Russians. However, they were not all trained soldiers, and so in full confrontation against the Ottoman armies, they had to retreat, and they resorted to hit and run tactics.

>By the end of the war, the Armenians had been driven back to Yerevan, where they established their new nation. However, the Armenian armies had massacred and decimated hundreds of Ottoman villages. In addition, many Armenians fearing retribution for their own war crimes, migrated on French and British war ships and some migrated on foot toward Russia. The Armenian rebel leaders lived full lives, and many are still regarded as national heroes.

>>3291144
maybe

>>3291128
Turks will say there were just a few resettlement actions, into the Syrian desert.

>>3291128
Literally no one but the Armenians and people who just assume it happens believes it happens. Most relevant historians reject the Armenian propaganda.

>>3292115
Kys

>>3291264
What do you mean no one? /pol/ call it a genocide every day

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>>3291128
>It's another T*rkroach denialist thread

>>3292250
>then any rebellion that was put down, can be marked as genocide.

This. It's genocide in the same way the Bar Kochba revolt was genocide.

>>3292462
I'm not even Turkish, I just know the history. Armenians slaughtered thousands and thousands of Turkish civilians unprovoked. Many Armenians died during the Nationalistic struggle, it was a tragedy.

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>>3292478
>I'm not even Turkish, I just know the history.

>>3292462
Not a Turk see >>3292233
>>3292238
>>3292250
If you don't have an argument then shut up

>>3292501
Damn that's a big ass roach

>>3292502
>literally posts a convicted genocide denier as proof
>Not a Turk

>>3292513
Armenian lies are a genocide of the truth

>>3292523
>the word "genocide" is coined to describe the Armenian genocide
>the Armenian genocide is not a real genocide
Turkish IQ, everyone

>>3291128
1914 Ottoman census:
1,161,169 Armenian Gregorian + 68,838 Armenian Catholic, INCLUDING the western portion of the country.

Genocide claim: 1.5 million

Hmm, something's wrong here isn't it?

There was a forced migration because of Europa Universalis IV style rebellion during WWI. Some Armenians died on the road because of typhus, bad weather and some Armenian politicians were assassinated. There were more than 45 politicians in the Ottoman parliament at the time. 1673 state workers who abused Armenian immigrants were judged; some got executed or punished through forced labor.

The real historical data doesn't lie. However status quo Western history writers cause lots of bias (which they did on Bulgarians, Holocaust, etc.).

Turkish historians all invite Armenians to a challenge through a symposium, they refuse and whine like little children.

>Turkey opens all its archives and invites armenian historians for an offical debate to settle the matter once and for all
>They refuse, fearing their propaganda won't hold under pressure

Daily reminder that what people called "genocide" Is simply a bi-product of a civilized society, which realizes that exterminating the traitorous and dangerous threat to society, to none, Is the most effective cause to further peace.

>>3292588
wtf I love white genocide now

>>3291128
The turkscum is out in force today. You turkroaches are going to be exterminated if you keep this shit up. You won't be hiding safely in your government approved chatrooms Turkish Internet Defense Force.

Before responding to another & Humanities thread, check the post counter.
You know realize you are in a thread filled with samefagging roaches and are losing IQ for every post you read.

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>>3292526
>>Turkish historians
hahahahaha oh wow I haven't laughed that hard in a while, thanks

>>3292241
The (((Polish))) "Peasants" were in on it too, you imbecile.

>>3292622
>>3292614
>>3292644
>literal non argument

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>tfw you will never be a youg turks partisan during the Armenian "genocide"
>tfw you will never drag an Armenian christian QT by her hair to your turk lair and ravage her
>tfw you will never see the tears in her eyes as she is forced to spit on the cross and worship Allah
>tfw you will never crucify a horde of delicious QTs before cracking open a cold one with the turkboys

Why even live /his/?

>>3292672
>he thought he was posting posting actual arguments
oh wait let me laugh even harder

They got mascaraed around Kars with anti-partisan activity and mass deportations culminating in most of them dying along the way. A couple villages also got starved. There never was any western genocide though, or christian genocide with turks stabbing pregnant women to death in the Levant

It sounds like they made a good decision to me considering the ottoman empire got divided up in every way possible after the war. Though perhaps turkey would be better off without their kurdish eastern regions, the kurds made a good call any considering how armenians treated their Azeri minorities

You can't have this discussion without flags and IDs, look at all the posts with literal roach propaganda, it's disgusting.
Make this thread on /pol/, you'll realize why there is only a specific group of people who doesn't agree with the consensus.

>>3291264
>beatrice I don't like all these niggers and whops moving into the neighborhood
>we're leaving
>"genocide"

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>>3292886
>the consensus

The consensus is that it didn't happen. This is why Armenian scholars refuse to debate Turkish scholars.

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No genocide happened side:
>posts facts
>posts statistics
>post census
>post testimony
>posts argument
>calm and rational

genocide happened side:
>no facts
>no statistics
>no census
>no argument
>mentally retarded and shitters
>only denys that is all

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>be Armenian
>get replaced by Kurds
lel, how cucked are the Armenian people to even allow this by a bunch of mountain gypsies with no land of their own

Armenians are fucking pathetic

>>3292121
When youre so brainfucked that you think revolting against slavers in your own fucking country is bad and the oppressor citizens are innocent and so a genocide is justified

>>3291128
>Did the Armenian Genocide really happen?
There is little to no evidence of it, so probably not.

>>3292622
>History topic
>blaming & Humanities
You're a retard.

>>3291314

Which historians?

>>3291128
I didn't know there were so many roaches on this board, now I know where all the & humanities revisionism is coming from.

>>3291128
of course.
who could invent a genocide?

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>>3291128

>>3291128
Yes and it is the prime reason why t*rkraoches should be exterminated.

>>3291128
>Turks invade and occupy Arabs for 500 years
>not "imperialist"

Fucking Ottoboos are the worst

>>3293109
Moost

>>3292915
I'm not educated enough to have a serious opinion on this matter, but this is the only thing that is happening in this thread. Just come up arguments if it's so blatantly obvious that the deniers are wrong instead of making a fool out of yourselves

You have to actually kill most of the population for it to be a genocide, otherwise it's just ethnic cleansing.

The problem to me lies with those who preside or judge over such things.

>>3293121
Nobody, of course. Lying about such an act is a very monstrous thing.

>>3291128
The Armenians played out their cards and fucked up, that's was happened afaik

>>3293446
No one cares about this except roaches and Armenians, and there's probably 3 Armenians on this whole site, who would know to avoid these threads like the plague. I made a mistake and posted facts, but if you think I'm going to stay here and argue with roaches you're insane. Literally every single post is like a copy paste from their ministry of reeducation or something, there's no point in an academic debate when you're arguing against -85 IQ subhumans.
Ultimately, Armenians could not give less of a shit if t*rks recognize anything, they only want their country back. That's why they lobby in other countries.Getting a t*rk to admit they did anything wrong at all is a pointless endeavour, that's why there's only shitposting in this thread.
Only hope these serve as containment threads so we can have real discussion on this board.

>>3292681
>someone actually typed that
Seek help.

>>3293568
Why are people who make use of the word IQ NEVER aware what it actually stands for, for fucks sake? KILL YOURSELF YOU SUBHUMAN BABOON

it never happened but even if it did they deserved it anyway

>>3293596
t. sub 65 t*rkroach

>>3293634
>anyone who disagrees with me is a t*rk
you cannot possibly be more pathetic

>>3292681
stop it, boner

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>>3293649

It happened but its no doubt inflated or exaggerated, but it still happened. roaches are fucking delusional.

>>3291128
yeah it really happened and turks deny it. it's part of their unreasonable sense of honor.

what genocide?

armenian genocide is a myth

>>3291128
Lots of Armenians died, but it wasn't genocide. It was a spur of the moment thing rather than a systematic killing.

>>3293149
That would include armenians too you know

>>3295136
Yes?

>>3292681
None of that ever happened, delete this.

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They should be called the Turkic Genocides, because Greeks and Assyrians and Kurds were also Targeted.
Holy fuck, I hate Turks.

>>3295048
No it was pretty blatant on what it set off to do.

>>3297011
Assyrians were about as genocided as the Armenians, assuming it all happened anyway. Possibly more so and they started getting massacred 50 years before the first massacres of Armenians.

Talk shit get hit.
Also for some reason people here aren't posting the wikipedia links to the armenians being terrorists.
For example they tried to assasinate the sultan.

>>3297011
me too senpai

armeanians are subhuman

>>3291128
a bunch of armenians got killed in a forced relocation, which fits the definition of genocide so yes.

The Turks were just straight up shooting greeks in Trabazond though, and they dont talk about that genocide as much.

>>3297281
>forced relocation
>fits the definition of genocide

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It wasn't genocide.

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hmm... the reply counter keeps growing but the poster count stays the same
I wonder who could be behind this?

If Turks are genetically Armenians, can there really be such a thing as a Armenian Genocide ?

>>3297380
It does. If you force a certain group into conditions that cause death and mass suffering it's still a genocide.

>>3297011
You forgot Georgians, Bulgarians, Dravidians and Maori Indians
those fucking roaches will pay

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giv armenian gf

Armenian shills all throughout this thread

>>3292910
>withhout papers

What exactly does turkey think would happen if they admit to the killings? Germany admitted its shit and now it leads europe.The leaders of Turkey just use this as a bogeyman to rally up nationalist support whenever they need it, it's a moral issue not a geostrategic one, which is why most other countries scratch their heads over why this is such a big deal.

>>3297683
cringe
>>3297763
>MY CRACKER ASS IS ON FIRE

>>3299617
Ask your whore mother.

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>>3299617
Turks are the ultimate subhumans. Godless pigfucking, termagant worshipping arthropods not worth the lead it would take to eradicate them.

They are the shame of the human race

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>>3291128
How the fuck do I find out about these protests? Why do Turks do this, why are they even allowed? A while back, there was a memorial to the genocide put up in Wales, and Turks rioted and smashed the cross.

Would seriously like to attend a rally just to see how surreal it is, any info? What groups organize these? Think they'll be mad if I bring my Karabakh flag? Any groups in England?

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>>3292121
>guilty as an ethnicity

>>3292115
If you think that Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, and Armenians weren't targeted for being Christian you're just denying history.
Foreign powers like Russia and Great Britian constantly claimed to be protecting Christian minorities living in the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans feared having Anatolia partitioned if they had sizable amounts of Christians living there.

Is there really any actual political consequence for Turkey just admitting it?

Methinks we need a frogposter jannocide.

>>3300199
No, considering they still get NEETO bux. I guess they'd have to admit to being shitbags for the past century, and stop sperging out every year.
I mean, people bring up the Armenian Genocide once a year, while the Nazi's Holocaust gets brought up every day. Is that really so bad?
Plus, you got to kill all those other populations, and nobody ever talks about them.

The Greeks and Armenians entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to genocide the Turks, and nobody was going to fight them. At Van, Yalova, Manisa, Turgutlu, and a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yıldız_assassination_attempt

>Let me make this clear for some Armenians who claim that Armenians rebelled in self-defense---that is absolutely false. The Armenians offered to help the Russians attack before any massacres or attacks by Ottomans. If you were wondering if the Armenians or Ottomans started the fight, well it was absolutely the Armenians, who were filled with nationalistic ideas of establishing their ancient homeland of Greater Armenia.

>Boghos Nubar, the president of the Armenian National Delegation, confirms the degree to which the Armenians were dedicated to the cause:

>Boghos Nubar wrote: In the Caucasus, where, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Imperial Russian Army, more than 40,000 of their volunteers contributed to the liberation of a portion of the Armenian vilayets, and where, under the command of their leaders, Antranik and Nazerbekoff, they, alone among the peoples of the Caucasus, offered resistance to the Turkish armies, from the beginning of the Bolshevist withdrawal right up to the signing of an armistice.

>In contrast, the Jews did not rebel against the Nazis in World War II. The Armenian propaganda today, declares that the Turks were at fault for genocide, but they provide no proof that there was intention to exterminate. The only thing Armenians use today to back up their claim of genocide, is to quote various anti-Turkish newspapers or the American ambassador Henry Morganthau, who was asked to create propaganda by President Woodrow Wilson to convince the American public that America must join the war against the Central Powers.

>If we were to believe the Armenian propaganda, which is widely spread today, then any rebellion that was put down, can be marked as genocide. The Ottomans may have been unprepared for Armenian relocations, but that doesn't make them guilty of genocide.

>>3301164
seconded

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>in the 20s, the UN saw fit to exchange the tiny Turkish population in Greece for the large Greek Population of Turkey
>Millions of people forced out of Anatolia into Greece, where there was little opportunity or even housing
>Tens of Thousands of Greeks died
Brings my piss to a boil. Turkey has never seen Justice.

>>3301227
>UN existing in the 20's
retard
>millions of people forced out
Just 1 mil
>tiny population
Half a million Turks
>attempt to genocide the turks and steal their land along with four other countries
>get btfo
>complain

>>3291320
I would have to whey that claim.

>>3292937
This is why you can never argue with arm*nians.

>waaah turks killed us
>but you killed turks too
>WE ARE ALLOWED TO KILL TURKS BEcAUSE 1000 YEARS AGO SOME CHINKS FROM CENTRAL ASIA CONQUERED US

>>3292133
Events that could be considered a "Turkish genocide" did happen. Mainly in the balkans and especially Greece during their independence war. Entire Turkish and jewish communities were wiped out by the Greeks.

But no Turks don't go around protesting and rallying for it because Turks aren't taught to hate others in school unlike gr**ks and arm*nians.

>>3292524
The word genocide was used by an author to describe several events, including what Greeks did to Turks.

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>>3291678
>>3291707
>>3291144
>>3291184
>>3291230
>>3291314
>>3293340
>>3291320
>>3292121

>>3299648
ironiyi de mi anlamadın orospu çocuğu

>>3291689
No genocide has ever occurred. Genocide is a myth of the collective unconscious, found only within the Monado Mandala.

Yes, and don't let the eternal roach fool you

>>3301700
It's not a genocide because t*rks are not human.
If that was the case every can of Raid would be considered a WMD.

>>3301700
I'd totally support a genocide against t*rks
t*rkey must be used as an atomic testing ground
it's okay since they're immune to radiation

>>3301700

>Turks don't go around protesting and rallying for it because Turks aren't taught to hate others in school unlike gr**ks and arm*nians.

But they are taught to hate their own who are accused of being gulenists, right?

>>3304431
found the fetoid

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>>3302121
Funny how all those teritories belong to Kurds now

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>>3304505
Kurds are the Medes. Most of Anatolia belongs to them.

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>>3306012
>>3304505

>>3297011
>t. Kurd

You helped the Turks genocide Armenians and Assyrians

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>>3297053
>assuming it all happened anyway.

>>3306012

Kurds are just Persian mountain men.

>>3291169
>>3291277

Bernard Lewis was born to middle-class Jewish parents in Stoke Newington, London. He became interested in languages and history while preparing for his bar mitzvah.

>>3291128
I wouldn't classify it as a Genocide, but yeah, Turkey killed approximately 1.000.000 Armenians.

Wait so Kurds are native to those lands?

>>3308204
>genocide
>ˈdʒɛnəsʌJd/
>noun
>noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides

>The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.
How is killing a million Armenians not genocide?

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>>3308346
Yes.

>>3308346
kurds are mountain niggers from zagros, they don't have any claims to land outside that place
but wewuzzing is so strong with them

>>3307838
No, they aren't. Kurds have always been some sort of off-shoot Iranian nomadic people who have never settled in any one area between Anatolia and the Iranian plateau for millennia. Even back in the Parthian and Sassanid period, the term "Kurd" was used as an insult to call one a vagrant.

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>>3308600
even marco polo noted it

>>3308625
>>3308600
>>3308516
Besides one Russian anthropologist believing that Kurds are descendents of the Medes which has been otherwise not accepted in mainstream Iranian studies, who are they most likely stemming from? Cadussi seems likely.

>>3307971
OY FUCKING VEY

"Genocide" generally refers to the attempt to wipe out a human group. Given the nature of Armenians, it's a stretch.

I'll put it in another way, looking at the broader picture past this confrontation: you shouldn't end up getting ruled by other people who just moved into your area because they might end up killing half your population because you seek liberation from their rule on your own ancestral lands.

Hence why Europe should resist the demographic impact of Midle Easterners in our lands.

As an aside, the Turks in this thread talking about how the Armenian genocide is a lie and at the same time talking about what accepting and tolerant people they are, are hilarious. You guys realize you're living in an unbelievably intolerant society right? By Middle Eastern standards you're ok but compared to ANY European country, you're ass-backwards and every survey shows that. At least stick to calling Armenians subhuman like your other compatriots...

>>3309660
>Turks
>okay by Middle Eastern standards
They aren't even then.

>>3309660
>Hence why Europe should resist the demographic impact of Midle Easterners in our lands.
wh*Te subhuman please you cannot resit the brown and black men.

No.

>>3308358
>>The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.

Sounds like every war in history.

>>3308358
Wrong definition.
>>3309607
>"Genocide" generally refers to the attempt to wipe out a human group. Given the nature of Armenians, it's a stretch.

this

>>3291128
Holy shit is the image in France

>>3292910
do you have evidence of these? it's more likely that the jobs moved because of negro movement

>>3309660

On the subject of turks I too find it odd they denounce any accusation of genocide, but if you bait them by saying Kurds or are gonna kick their asses, they go berserk and point out their supremacy and rivers of kurdish blood that will follow.

What I find even more odd is that they think racists on 4chan are actually going to judge them for committing genocide, if anything we would applaud it.

>>3292911
>Serbia not regognizing
someone explain this

>>3315706
Serbians are truthloving people

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After years of low-level harassment by the Ottoman regime, the first large-scale killings took place from 1894 through 1896, when by conservative estimate 200,000 Armenians died, half murdered by Ottoman forces and the balance dying in the subsequent chaos. The "starving Armenians" became a cause celebre among European and U.S. humanitarians. (Sixty years later your columnist's guilt-tripping great aunts were still admonishing their young relations to eat their veggies because the starving Armenians didn't have any.) To no avail — the British government found the Ottomans a useful ally against the Russians and refused to impose sanctions.

When a 1908 revolt by the Young Turks, secular modernizers with a support base in the Turkish army, forced the Ottoman sultan to cede power to a constitutional government, the Armenians thought they might get a break, but the new nationalist leaders proved no more tolerant than the old religious ones. A massacre of 15,000 to 25,000 Armenians in 1909 set the table for the main event during World War I. Blaming the supposedly disloyal Christian minority for an early defeat by the Russians, the Turkish government starting in 1915 rounded up Armenians throughout the country, murdered vast numbers outright and deported the rest, with many dying on forced marches or in refugee camps. The brutal work was carried out by an elaborate bureaucracy that some historians consider a model for the extermination program of the Nazis. Add in a couple of additional massacres in the early 1920s and the Armenian death toll for 1915-1922 totals a million to a million and a half.

For a time after the war it seemed that the surviving Armenians would get a homeland protected by an American mandate, but resurgent U.S. isolationism doomed the effort. (Russian Armenia wound up as a Maryland-sized republic in the Soviet Union; it's now the site of present-day Armenia.) Attempts to try the Ottoman officials responsible for atrocities came to little. In the 1923 Lausanne treaty, the Western powers abandoned the Armenians in return for commercial guarantees from Turkey, where the no-longer-so-young Turks under Mustafa Kemal Ataturk had consolidated their power.

Though Congress never ratified the treaty, the U.S. made its peace with the Kemal government and Turkey has been a reliable ally in a volatile part of the world ever since. For that reason the U.S. has remained largely silent in the face of Turkish insistence that the Armenian genocide is a myth, was the Armenians' fault, etc.

(One difficulty in researching this topic now is that much of what's written about it is the work of Armenian or Turkish partisans and so of uncertain reliability. For this column I've relied on The Burning Tigris: The Armenian Genocide and America's Response by Peter Balakian, a persuasive 2003 account by an Armenian-American university professor.) One understands the political realities; still, it's creepy that a million deaths could be expunged from human memory so thoroughly that 90 years later barely anyone would know.

A civil war, and this is what happens.

Who can tell who is right or wrong in Syria?

arm*nian genocide never happened and even if it did the arm*nians deserved it anyway

>>3318708
t. Cenk Uygur

>>3318708
Based Cenk telling as it is

>>3318680
>Who can tell who is right or wrong in Syria?
Whoever has the might to win.

>>3291128
Can you commit genocide against a pest?

Let's say no one ever brought up the notion of an Armenian Genocide but everything else in the historical accounts was not denied.

Looking at it that way, WWI was literally the exact middle years between the earliest and latest official ethnic cleansing campaigns against Christians in the region. From the Kurdish-Assyrian war in the 1840s to the Nagorno Karabagh War, if I understand those events correctly. And persecutions can be seen until the 1900s and from the 1920s.

Basically, if there wasn't a genocide then it must've been a huge armistice instead. And historians would be asking whether or not that was a hoax instead.

The holocaust never happened either lol

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>>3291128
In 1915 the Donmeh crypto-Jews who earlier overthrew the Sultan of Ottoman Empire from within orchestrated the Armenian Genocide and also killed a shitload of Greeks because they were all economic rivals of the Donmeh Jews.

So yes, the Armenian genocide happened. But Turks bare no responsibility for it, because it wasn't us that orchestrated or did it in the first place. This is why we deny it, it's bullshit that we should get blamed for what some Jews did.

Educate yourself on the Donmeh Crypto-Jews.

The Arm*nian lolocide is unironically the most justified action in history. Arm*nian subhumans tried to gobble up as much of Turkey by killing Turks and Muslims and then had the gall to whine when they naturally got BTFO.

Wow a thread casting doubt on the Armenian genocide lasts a week, a thread casting doubt on the Holocaust gets deleted within an hour, makes you think...

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>>3321897
THIS

The (((Young Turks))) were not Turks at all

>>3291128
Considering we know of dozens of french sailors all over the Mediterranean taking armenians as refugees back then... Yes, it happened.

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>>3322637
holy shit just realized this

>>3322637
Good point

>>3291128
It was a self defense action by the Turks that Gre*k partisans escalated into an unfortunate tragedy. Greek partisans pillaged the Armenian homeland, often in captured Ottoman uniforms, in order to pus their agenda of a "free" Greek state, by ostracizing the Ottomans. Brave Turkish troops often escorted groups of fleeing Armenians to safety, but these Greek partisans would ambush these groups of refugees after luring away the Ottoman troops. Greeks orchestrated the entire genocide and blamed it on the Turks, which is why they were allowed so much land at the partitioning of the Empire, as their plan to make the Turks pariahs by falsifying a genocide came to fruition.

>rebellions get violently put down by empires
who woulda think it

>>3301192

So then it's literally just a matter of pride.

>>3323121
theres the gibdsmedat reparation money too

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So if Turks recognize the "Armenian genocide" will they get the same treatment as their Kurdish collaborators?

No one gives a shit while they can live ancient Armenian/Assyrian lands and can still opress those people to this day without any hassle since they "apologized" for what happened earlier?

>>3322637
>this
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>literally hundreds of posts saying the exact same thing over and over
We're in an actual unironic shill thread.

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>>3323147

That was never part of the deal

>>3322637
>thread casting doubt on the Holocaust gets deleted within an hour

wtf this is bullshit. they always stay up they just reach 300 posts in a couple hours and disappear because of that

>>3323341
What deal. Some armenians i see wants turkey to give their eastern border, the other wants to execute the descendant of the young turks and the other simply want some victim bux

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>>3323839
>Some armenians i see wants turkey to give their eastern border
Let them have them.

You get rid of the Kurds that are gonna claim those are their lands and bomb the Armenian infrastructure instead of the Turkish for once.
And now you got 1.5 million Armenians fighting over 20 million Kurds, showing the hypocrisy of the entire situation from both sides. All while Azerbaijan can take over Nagorno-Karabakh with less resistance.

And once they kill off eachother you can just retake it.

I don't believe Armenians even exist.

>>3324134
based pakistani

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We have one about commies, it's about time we have one about t*rks

>>3315706
Genocide-accused countries gotta stick together, ya no?

In reality they probably just don't give a shit.

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>>3291128
>Turkish official taunting with bread armenians

>>3291264
If gentrification black genocide then?

>>3306755
Proof that everyone We Wuzs
American exceptionalism (Burgers invented democracy and everyone copied us)
Hindutva (Before those damn mudslimes we had flying saucers n shieet)
Hwandan Gogi (All of East Asia ruled by the mighty Korean race)
Juche (Cripples are western propaganda)
Nihonjinron (Japanese people aren't homo sapiens)
Nazism (Kabyles, Vikings, and Native Americans are all Aryans)
Protochronism (Stalinist Dacians)
Thracomania (Orpheus, Dionysus and Spartacus were Bulgarians)
Turkish nationalism (All langauges came from Turkish)
Venetic theory (Ireland was Slovenian)
Hoteps (White people are genetic experiments gone mad)

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>>3291144
Mehmet