German-Soviet-Axis talks

>>3287797
It wouldn't. His whole ideology centered around using Russia as lebensraum. They only allied to by off time while Germany fought France and the UK.

>>3287811
It wasn't so much specifically "Russia" as the "east" that he wanted as lebensraaum. He had Poland, he could have negotiated an alliance with a Russian nation state that still allowed him to colonise eastern territories such as the baltics or parts of Ukraine/Belarus, in exchange for Russia expanding its influence elsewhere.

Nothing in hitlers ideology specifically mandating erasing Russia specifically. In fact he even created a "Russian Liberation Army" with the goal of creating a Russian puppet state in soviet territory after winning the war

>>3287797
Not that unthinkable considering they were already so alike and their partnership from 1939-41 was rather close. But it had to end sooner or later. Both had bigger plans and Europe was too small for them. Now that sounded cheesy but it's true.

>>3287827
His entire ideology is based on "untermensch asiatische hordes in ze east" and we're proud Aryan white warriors that need to put them down and colonise their land using them as slave workers.

Also, Nazis were self-proclaimed enemies of Bolshevism. Which they didn't hide.

>>3287811
And Poland. Both USRR and germany invaded it

>>3287797
Natsoc and bolshevism does not work together.
Natura enemies so to say.
And even if they would have allied, few years and few enemies later they wouldve stomped their heads in.

>>3288473
Poland isn't mentioned in Mein Kampf anywhere. Russia is.

>>3288464
Have you ever seen pictures of the first waves of soviets that entered germany? they actually were savage asiatics from the steppes
>>3288483
Because poland is a geopolitical playball and gets tossed around like a pornstar in a gangbang.

>>3288488
>Because poland is a geopolitical playball and gets tossed around like a pornstar in a gangbang.
There is actually a different reason for this. He saw oportunity in the new state in the east.

>>3288488
>they actually were savage asiatics from the steppes
top kek, go back to /pol/ nigger

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>>3288503
tell how they werent.
I had family in Berlin who managed to escape to the west somehow after the first few days of occupation. Theres a reason my racist grandma always spoke of the "yellow danger" and not that bad about russians.
I actually have family or better put had (rip grandma barbara) who were there and told me.
Most of the first waves were asiatic mongols and the like from the steppe.
Theres a reason the mass rape slowed down extremly once actual russian generals arrived with russian battalions.
uneducated faggot.

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>>3288515
They look more European than 90% of G*rmans

>>3287797
But they both wanted eastern europe, so there would not have been much room for compromise. Neither Germany nor Soviet Union would have accepted trading influence in eastern Europe for influence in africa or middle east. For both eastern europe was the top priority, so conflict was inevitable.

Also Soviets prepared for an invasion, too, it just got delayed due to Stalins paranoia. Were it not for Stalin and his mass jailing and killing of russian commanders, Soviets might have declared war on Germany in 1940 while they were busy with their french campaign, and then things would have been a lot different.

>>3288503
/pol/ Imao xDDD

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>>3288534
They sure do lad.

>>3288658
le eks de xDdD
>>3288677
I hope they raped your grandma tho

>>3288686
Na my grandmas stayed safe thankfully. One grandpa died shielding my grandmas escape tho.
Mothers family was already in the rhineland and my grandpa from that side died in the camp. other one died somewhere around saxony in some woods.

Why are you so mean and agressive to me anyways? got any problems you want to talk about?

>>3287797
You have to remember that the USSR was essentially playing for time since Zhukov informed Stalin that the Red Army wouldn't be ready for war until 1943 at the earliest.

Placating Germany as much as possible while biding their time was Soviet policy pre-June 1941

>>3288696
Wasnt it Timoshenko?

>>3288503
He's right, we experienced them in Hungary too. They were not ethnic Russians.

>>3287797
>There's no doubt that Molotov was very serious about his proposals for the Soviet Union to enter the Axis as a fourth power.
Yes there is.

Soviets always knew they'd have to fight the nazis. They were just desperately trying to buy time.

>>3288899
Desperately? Destruction of Poland, Baltic states and other land grab was an important step in their master plan.

>>3288922
Not sure what you're implying but yes, they were more than happy to fuck over other countries to save themselves.

>>3288534
The real redpill is realising the Germans were the untermensch.

>>3288935
Only Stalin wanted to spread the revolution Barbarossa surprised him. He wasn't some great political visionary who was forced to take over half of Europe because he was scared of Germany. Him and Hitler were in exactly the same situation. They were planning expansion but had to somehow deal with another dictator.

>>3289051
There was a book about ww2 and how it was mainly about 2 confliction ideologies and it went in very deep into the bolshevick jewish leadership or that many of them were jewish. It was written by some famous german historian, cant think of the name.
It got published, he got INSANE amounts of shit from all sides just because he didnt paint it all black and white and evil germans etc pp.

He lost his prof. job at uni and wasnt allowed to speak in public forums anymore.

Thats how far this goes here, you just cant question it even tho theres a lot to it.

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>>3289051
Sounds liek a reason why he killed the Trotksy that wanted to do exactly that.
>>3289079
If your """research""" is based on nothing but Jakob Goldblatt´s propaganda, dont be suprised that you loose your job.