So were (((they))) behind the Russian Revolution?

If you donate a nickel to an orphanage, does that mean there would be no orphanages without you? What little evidence there is of Jews supporting of financing the Russian Revolution does not prove they orchestrated it.

intellectuals yes, financiers no, would you finance your own downfall? thought so

>>3284604
Who is Jacob Schiff?

(((>>3284595)))

(((>>3284604)))

Not exactly strictly jewish but a lot of the ones bankrolling opposing factions and trying to stir up communist revolutions were indeed zionists ( not exactly normal jews) .
In Germany in the spartakus uprising at least 7-10 of the leaders were jewish communists.
Germany is still to blame because we send Marx to Russia do destabilize them instead of just killing the useless fuck.

That being said i used to be all commie and everyone works and everyone gets their share etc.
Looks nice on paper but thanks to the human condition it will never ever work, even the nazis were closer to the ideal of the communist than themselves. At least they gave a shit about their people. (not other people I know)
But communism is just throwing people into the meatgrinder. I dont know exactly how much it was but didnt the bolshevicks kill like 15-20 million russian christians starting in 1918?
It was a fight against traditional russian culture and heritage, with stuff like that communism doesnt work, has to be erased first.

>So were (((they))) behind the Russian Revolution?
>Not trolling. Were German politicians
and financiers actually responsible for the Russian Revolution and other communist movements?

>>3284613
A guy who did not finance the bolsheviks.

>>3284617
Neo-Nazi myths. Stop simplifying history.

>>3284571
Yes, the Jewish Anglo-Teutonic monarchists and the Jewish sect known as Christianity in Russian empire caused their own downfall when the Slavs rebelled against them and liberated Russian people under their oppressive rule. Sadly some supporters of mentioned Jewish groups weren't caught and after a while they infiltrated the system started to pervert it so that it would exist as an subservient entity for them and work alongside with their Anglo slave states (USA, UK, Commonwealth, etc.) to enslave all free people of the world. Of course before this could happen they had to weaken the Soviet system and they did so by launching a war against them, using Zionist agents known as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini to whip Germany and Italy into war frenzy and having them wage war against Union of Soviet Socialist Republics while Anglo-American forces discreetly supported their war effort against the Russian people.

>>3284642
>Anything not completly demonic about the nazis is a myth in this time and day.
Stop simplifying history.


Seriously do you realise how dum this makes you seem?

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>>3284604
>would you finance your own downfall
Yes

>>3284571
Nope, who told you that and why would you believe him?

>>3284634
Was Leon Trotsky a bolshevik? Because Jacob Schiff gave him some bling bling and sent him off to Russia

No matter how many jew delusions you try to push everyday you are still going to get replaced. Let's be honest with ourselves, you cannot do anything to stop it. Face your extinction, cancer.

>>3284830
>Was Leon Trotsky a bolshevik?
From 1917, but he stayed Menshevik at the heart

>>3284571
Yes I mean its pretty undeniable when both Trotsky and Lenin were ethnic jews and received alot of funding from big wall street financiers who were also jewish. Not alot of people know but there was alot of investment into soviet union by american big business.

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>this fucking thread again

HERE WE GO

Get ready for a whole bunch of /pol/tards linking Amazon Book links and posting unsourcable quotes.

>>3284858

>Lenin
>Jewish

>>3284869
Don't do it man. This is the trap they set. Just let the thread die peacefully.

>>3284861
I DONT BELIEVE SO IT CANT BE TRUEE!!

- the post

>>3284877
I HAVE A VICTIM COMPLEX AND FEEL AS IF THERE'S A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY BY JEWS WHICH PREVENTS ME FROM LIVING A UTOPIC 1950'S EXISTENCE

- the ideology

>>3284881
germans dont have a victim complex buddy.
Its not a jewish conspiracy its a globalist conspiracy with a lot of heads being zionist jews.
1950s sucked, especially in Germany.

Any more? mr. i only believe the official narrative and cant be arsed to look around a bit.

>>3284888
kys /pol/fag.

>>3284869
His mom was jewish, was she not?

>>3284614
Logically explain what is wrong with my argument.

1: The German state did far more to support the Russian Revolution than outside financiers in order to hurt the Russian war effort.

2: Most financiers were not Jewish.

3: The revolutionaries could only get credit after they had all but won the war and lenders knew they weren't throwing their money away.

So why would you conclude Jews orchestrated it?

>>3284893
Im not even on pol, the fuck are you on about?
Im just a german that smells the bullshit of american libtard uni propaganda a mile away.
Just because your social studies / pseudo history prof. said so doesnt mean its true.

And why are you telling people to kill themselves. Youre probably one of these antifa "peace through violence" trogdolytes and thats not one bit better than these pathetic americans with 2% german genes LARPing as Germans stuck in a new Weimar.

Your country is some real sad shit these days.

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>>3284571
hello /pol/

at the place of looking for retarded conspiracies, try look at socio econmic factors why Jewish people in the soviet union supported the Bolsheviks. Under the tsar, jews were often massacred by groups like the black hundreds during the polgroms. It makes sense that if a group that promised to end the tsar, people who where brutal repressed would be more likely to support the Bolsheviks. Still, it is a myth that all Bolsheviks where jewish, especially after stalin came to power as he basically purged all jews from party apparatus. The idea that communism is jewish is literally just repacked nazi propaganda that people still believe for some reason.

also it makes no sense for bankers to support an anti capitalist movement if they themselves are capitalist it is simply against their interests.

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>>3284888
>1950s sucked, especially in Germany
Do you even know what fucking Wirtschaftswunder is?

>>3284894
Her father was Jewish so Lenin would not be considered Jewish by the Nuremberg Laws or by Jewish matrilineal descent (as his matrilineal side was christian).

>>3284911
Yes I do. Doesnt mean the citizens enjoyed being oppressed, forced to invite a few thousands anatolian mountain turks to work who halal slaughter goats on the streets, being an american/soviet proxy etc pp.
"but look at the economy!" blind eyed faggot.

>>3284904
most germans would literally eliminate their own race to appease niggers
all the good germans died in and after the war

>>3284919
Look another skinny fat US LARPer!

Dont talk about shit you have no clue about.

>>3284916
That's 1960s.

>>3284916
>turks
>in the 50s
>oppression AFTER fucking Nazi Germany
kill yourself retarded polack, you fags can't even discuss history because you're historically illiterate and know jack shit outside your echo chamber memes

>>3284919
>lemme tell you about ur cuntry hurrrr

>>3284916
Yeah, they hated it so much they named it as the best period in German history in 1956 or 1957. They hated it so much that CDU/CSU in 1957 won 51% votes, even more than NSDAP in 1933.

>>3284830
It's a myth. There is no proof that Schiff ever met Trotsky. Schiff supported Kerensky government not the bolsheviks.
Do you guys even look at the sources or do you blindly believe in everything you read on some blogs?

>>3284571
No, it is just a coincidence that a lot of the guys pushing for civil war, chaos and revolution were Jooish.

>>3284617
>a lot of the ones bankrolling opposing factions and trying to stir up communist revolutions were indeed zionists ( not exactly normal jews) .
Could you name some?

the eternal Hohenzollern was behind the Russian Revolution

>>3284861
>I don't ever read opposing arguments because I don't ever believe anything remotely conspiratorial, not discussed or not part of the accepted story.

Fuck off leftie. Open your mind.

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>>3284893
>LE SMART AND SENSIBLE GOY WHO IS TOO INTELLIGENT TO ENTERTAIN THE IDEA OF CONSPIRACY THEORIES.JPG

>>3284571

Yes
>The Tsar and his family were killed by Bolshevik troops LED BY YAKOV YUROVSKYunder the orders of the Ural Regional Soviet. Their bodies were then mutilated,[1] burned and buried in a field called Porosenkov Log in the Koptyaki forest.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_of_the_Romanov_family


Yakov Mikhailovich Yurovsky was the eighth of ten children born to Mikhail Yurovsky, a glazier, and his wife Ester Moiseevna (1848–1919), a seamstress. He was born on 19 June [O.S. 7 June] 1878 in the Siberian city of Tomsk, Russia. The Yurovsky family WAS OF JEWISH ORIGIN but its relation to the Jewish faith seems ambiguous:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Yurovsky

>>3284905
>If Jews died then it must be that Jews were never responsible for the revolution, because no one would ever do something that harmed their own people.

Yeah, I mean that would be just OUTRAGEOUS to think that Jews (or any race/nationality for that matter) would do something that resulted in the deaths of their own people in the name of a cause.

That's a bad argument.

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>>3284571
This seems like a distraction from the fact that Lenin and the Bolsheviks were bankrolled by the German government.

>The disruption of the Entente and the subsequent creation of political combinations agreeable to us constitute the most important war aim of our diplomacy. Russia appeared to be the weakest link in the enemy chain. The task therefore was gradually to loosen it, and, when possible, to remove it. This was the purpose of the subversive activity we caused to be carried out in Russia behind the front--in the first place promotion of separatist tendencies and support of the Bolsheviks. It was not until the Bolsheviks had received from us a steady flow of funds through various channels and under different labels that they were in a position to be able to build up their main organ, Pravda, to conduct energetic propaganda and appreciably to extend the originally narrow basis of their party. The Bolsheviks have now come to power; how long they will retain power cannot be yet foreseen. They need peace in order to strengthen their own position; on the other hand it is entirely in our interest that we should exploit the period while they are in power, which may be a short one, in order to attain firstly an armistice and then, if possible, peace.

Really makes you think.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_K%C3%BChlmann?wprov=sfla1

>>3285191
If people should open their minds at every retard spewing /x/-tier theories we wouldn't be doing anything else.

In this time and age of information overload one must know how to spot obvious bullshit.

>>3284571
Was the Kaiser Jewish?

>>3284888
>germans dont have a victim complex
It's the entire basis of their nation since 1918

>>3285846
>jewish financiers were behind the Russian revolution.

WOW ITS LIKE EVEN WORSE THAN REPTILIAN LIZARD SHAPE-SHIFTER CONSPIRACIES! HOW COULD ANYONE POSSIBLY BELIEVE THIS?

>>3284894

>His mom was jewish

Nope.

>>3285882

>HOW COULD ANYONE POSSIBLY BELIEVE THIS?

Good question. Why do you believe it?

>>3285882
>Le random Jewish financiers were the primary reason for one of biggest events of 20th century
>Not reptilian-tier

[[>>3284614]]

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>>3284571
No. German financiers.

>>3285881
*ever since the Franco-Prussian War

>>3285270
No shit, Germans have a habit of blaming the Jews for shit they do.

>>3285931
Because its factually correct, not just conjecture. They literally did fund and were responsible for the Bolsheviks and the degeneracy in Europe at the time.

>>3287978
Yes, it is undeniable, the Judeo-Bolshevist conspirators of the (((Hohenzollerns))) and the (((Oberste Heeresleitung))) were behind the Russian revolution.

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>>3284571
The majority of the leadership and financiers of the Russian revolution were Jewish.

>>3285270
According to "The Russian Revolution" by Richard Pipes, pages 410-412:

>Such organizational and publishing activities [for propaganda] required a great deal of money. Much, if not most, of it came from Germany.
>German subversive activities in Russia in the spring and summer of 1917 have left few traces in the documents.* Reliable people in Berlin, using reliable intermediaries, delivered cash to Bolshevik agents by way of neutral Sweden, without written requests or receipts passing hands. Although the opening of the German Foreign Office archives after World War II has made it possible to establish with certainty the fact of German subsidies to the Bolsheviks and with some approximation the sums involved, the exact uses to which the Bolsheviks put the German money remains obscure. According to Minister of Foreign Affairs Richard von Kühlmann, the chief architect of Germany’s pro-Bolshevik policy in 1917–18, the Bolsheviks used the German subsidies mainly for purposes of party organization and propaganda.
>The total money assigned by the Germans to the Bolsheviks in 1917–18—to help them first take power and then to keep it—has been estimated by Eduard Bernstein, who had good connections in the German Government, at “more than 50 million deutsche marks in gold” ($6 to $10 million, which at that time would have bought nine or more tons of gold).*
>Some of these funds the Germans channeled to Bolshevik agents in Stockholm, the principal of whom was Jacob Fürstenberg-Ganetskii. Responsibility for maintaining contact with the Bolsheviks was assigned to the Russian expert at the German Embassy in Stockholm, Kurt Riezler. According to the counterintelligence service of the Provisional Government, directed by Colonel B. Nikitin, the Germans deposited the money for Lenin at the Diskontogesellschaft in Berlin, which forwarded it to the Nye Bank in Stockholm.

>>3288294
>Ganetskii would make withdrawals from the Nye Bank, ostensibly for business purposes, but in fact for deposit at the Siberian Bank in Petrograd on the account of a relative of his, one Eugenia Sumenson, a lady of the Petrograd demimonde. Sumenson and one of Lenin’s lieutenants, the Pole M. Iu. Kozlovskii, operated in Petrograd a spurious pharmaceutical business as cover for financial dealings with Ganetskii. The transfer of German funds to Lenin could thus be disguised as legitimate business. After her arrest in July 1917, Sumenson confessed to having turned over the moneys which she withdrew from the Siberian Bank to Kozlovskii, a member of the Bolshevik Central Committee. She admitted to having taken out of her bank account for this purpose 750,000 rubles. Sumenson and Kozlovskii maintained with Stockholm a coded business correspondence, some of which the government intercepted with the help of French intelligence. The following telegram is an example:
>Stockholm from Petrograd Fürstenberg Grand Hotel Stockholm. Nestles sends no flour. Request. Sumenson. Nadezhdinskaia 36.
>The Germans also used other means of subsidizing the Bolsheviks, one of which consisted of smuggling into Russia counterfeit ten-ruble bank notes. Quantities of such forged money were found on pro-Bolshevik soldiers and sailors arrested in the aftermath of the July putsch.
>Lenin kept very much in the background in these transactions, entrusting financial dealings with the Germans to his lieutenants. Still, in a letter to Ganetskii and Radek of April 12, he complained he was receiving no money. On April 21 he acknowledged to Ganetskii that Kozlovskii had given him 2,000 rubles. According to Nikitin, Lenin corresponded directly with Parvus badgering him for “more materials.” Three of these communications were intercepted on the Finnish border.

>>3288294
Asterisked content:
>*Bernstein’s figure was confirmed by postwar researches in German Foreign Ministry Archives. Documents found there indicate that until January 31, 1918, the German government had allocated for “propaganda” in Russia 40 million deutsche marks. This sum was exhausted by June 1918, following which (July 1918) an additional 40 million marks were assigned for this purpose, although apparently only 10 million were spent, not all of them on the Bolsheviks. A German mark at the time bought four-fifths of a tsarist ruble and approximately two post-1917 rubles (so-called “Kerenki”). Winfried Baumgart, Deutsche Ostpolitik, 1918 (Vienna-Munich, 1966) 213–14, Note 19

>>3288246
Nice pic

>>3284617
>marx to russia
Lmao

>>3284571
yes
http://archive.is/Mn3pu