Does multiculturalism require a strong authoritarian to keep

>>3280024
>Does multiculturalism require a strong authoritarian to keep different nations within the state from ripping each other apart?
Are you assuming multiculturalism only exist where there's several nations under the same state?

>>3280024
why do you assume that different ethnic groups are always in conflict? The trick is to avoid the formation of enclaves that live under different law (like europe's sharia law zones) and to give the different groups a common identity. the US has done a very good job of this.

>>3280028
Isn't that what it is? Several groups of distinct peoples under one government without an officially sanctioned favored group? How else would you describe multiculturalism?

>>3280051
>Multiculturalism
>give the different groups a common identity
???

No, multiculturalism needs any sort of proof that it at the very least works. Then that it is beneficial and preferential.

Currently it does neither so I don't want it, and neither should anyone else.

>>3280084
>Several groups of distinct peoples under one government without an officially sanctioned favored group? How else would you describe multiculturalism?
This is not the same as several nations living under the same state. Case in point, the US. Unless I'm confusing how the US works.

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>>3280110
>multiculturalism needs any sort of proof that it at the very least works

Multiculturalism is such a misguiding term it's actually funny. It's the other way around, different world cultures being assimiliated into one gigantic globalist, consumerist monoculture.

>>3280120

The reason USA is successful is not multiculturalism, nice try though. Also, the U.S. has for a long time had problems caused by multiculturalism, heck, even in 2017 white cops were being shot merely for being white and cops.

>>3280120
The USA was white nationalist up until 1965

>>3280120
USA is far from an utopist multicultural society.

No, that's nonsense. The authority would have to be either itself multicultural - in which case, if we accept the premise that without authority the different nations would rip each other apart, then this authority would rip itself apart.
On the other hand, if the authority were homogenous, there would be one nation dominating the other - which would not be multicultural in any liberal sense of the word; those and those who generally have a problem with multiculturalism wouldn't have a problem with this kind.
If the two nations in their majorities can't be cooperative adults on their own, this authority is powerless to prevent them from doing so, and if they can it's unnecessary.
I don't get how you can come up with such an absurd question.

>>3280152
>white is a culture

>>3280157
As a whole, yeah true. But the possibility of improvement is historically demonstrable.

>>3280138
>The reason USA is successful is not multiculturalism
Who claimed this? The claim is that it is proof multiculturalism can be successful. That doesn't mean that the multiculturalism is the cause of a nation's success, only that the nation could be at the same time multicultural and successful.

>>3280170
This fucking response again
White in the context of America means white americans
You actually already know this and yet still play this game

>>3280180
But USA is not multicultural.

>>3280188
and where did those white americans come from

>>3280180

USA is not multicultural though.

>>3280188
White Americans come from all over Europe. of which some parts (especially around the Mediterranean) are or were not even seen as white
European cultures are extremely different from each other and have been in conflict for thousands of years, causing some of the bloodiest wars in history.

>>3280180
And it's no coincidence that as the US becomes less commonly European, it starts to fracture and people talk of balkanization.

Multicultualism between barely distinguishable ethnic groups like Germans and Anglos with a religious commonality so prevalent that you could hum the same Christmas songs and both sides across the trenches of WW1 is the easiest mode possible and it barely worked. Canada's French and English had war and in modern times Quebec was a very small amount of votes away from leaving.

The further away the cultures, the harder it gets. America's smattering of Europeans all did away with their native languages (how many germans or french speakers are left?) and unique customs for a unified American culture.

>>3280120
The US worked when it was largely a mish-mash of Europeans

That's no longer the case

>>3280152
>White Americans are a single culture
TOP OF THE MORNING LAD

>>3280152
>USA was white nationalist
Nice historical revisionism. Different white ethnic groups didn't get along for decades. White nationalism exists now because no one wants to admit they're mongrels that lost the culture of their ancestors unlike pure stock Europeans.

>>3280217
>There's a European culture
Nice try Hans

>>3280245
>>3280248
The cultural difference between British and Germans were small enough that they blended into one American mongrel blob without anyone noticing. Nobody can spot the difference between an American of German descent or an American of English descent today. Both of those groups now have a single culture because the gap was so small. I'd say there was a bigger difference between Catholics and protestants within both groups than between English and Germans. And even then that's hardly what anyone would call very multicultural,

>>3280051
>give the different groups a common identity
Exactly this. There won't be a divide between Irish and Italians if they're all American.

>>3280268
That's not multiculturalism.

>>3280051
>>3280268
>Multiculturalism totally works if everyone has the same culture

>>3280297
>>3280270
You know you're multicultural when you live in California, listen to a band from Indiana and drive a truck made in Wisconsin :)

Multicultural nations don't work for long, they are basically a time bomb that will go off eventually, violently or peacefully. UNLESS they can assimilate all the different groups in to a single one or one group can dominate the smaller ones completely. (Native Americans, Tartars, Aborigines) Some groups never assimilate and form enclaves that demand more represtation and eventually independence. In the event of national disaster such groups will take their own groups wellbeing first.

The USA is multicultural and always has been, but it has always managed to have a large "American" culture that united the European migrants there. Because one culture has managed to dominate the smaller ones the USA has not gone the way of the Balkans, Austria-Hungary or USSR. Hell even relatively homogeneous nations like the UK, Italy, France and Spain still have independence movements. It should also be said that just because some cultures manage to assimilate well in to a host nations culture not all cultures do, Australia and North American natives for example as well as African-American. It isn't a race thing imo, Indians and Asians have assimilated quite well in to Western countries.

Tl;dr "Multicultural" societies are a temporary transition period that eventually either become oppressive, assimilating Borg or split like pizza.

Imo they are the worst possible way to enjoy cultural differences as they just breed resentment and destroy culture of different groups.

>>3280260
>difference between brits and germans
>small
are all americans such backwater provincials

>>3280113
Technically the Indian reservations in the US are their own sovereign nations, but otherwise you're right.

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>>3280268
>ethnicity
>culture

Switzerland is probably one of the few chases where multiculturalism world
>>3280120
Perfect example on why multiculturalism is shit

>>3280340
>Multicultural nations don't work for long,

Not true. Romans lasted for thousands of years. If they weren't bankrupt at the worst time ever, all those peoples would still be under heel.

>>3280639
>under heel

There's a point here.

>>3280191
>>3280198
?

>>3280340
How is the US multicultural? Every state is basically the same, only Hawaii can be considered "different".

>Dude, how is a country with jews, WASPs, africans, natives, hawaiians, italians, hispanics and asians multicultural? It clearly isn't haha

Are americans fucking retarded?

>>3280051
>(like europe's sharia law zones)
What now?

>>3280297
>People can't have multiple layers of identities at the same time.

>>3280260
>I'd say there was a bigger difference between Catholics and protestants within both groups than between English and Germans.
Thank god no one consider you an expert on the subject.

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Daily reminder none of this multiculti drama wouldve happened in nation-state memes did not bring down the monarchies of the world.

Monarchies were the only ones ever proven to be able to handle multiple cultures. Nation-states are divisive pieces of shit that aren't up to the task.

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>>3280051
>the US has done a very good job of this
Where are you from dude?

>>3280051
>and to give the different groups a common identity.
Then it's one new culture, and thus not multicultural.
>the US has done a very good job of this.
Stop whitewashing U.S history. The U.S has had major problems that stem from multiculturalism, and still has.

>>3280907
t. Franz Joseph

>>3280051
>like europe's sharia zones

You're retarded.

culture isn't the same as ethnicity and multiethnic isn't the same as multicultural

i get the problem with multiculturalism, but a degree of plurality is healthy

>>3281085
>i read sensationalist news and so conclude race war is imminent!

>>3280755
>Every state is basically the same,
wtf are you talking about? multicultural doesnt have to do with the structures of government but the different peoples and their cultures ruled over by that government. where are you and all these people getting the delusion that multiculturalism only pertains to government. These denials of America being multicultural is hilarious

>>3280899
One overrides the other. There's a reason why demographics vote in blocks and everyone is concerned about securing the X vote.
>>3280907
Nation-states are perfect. States with multiple nations are a civil war/oppression/balkanization waiting to happen.

>>3280051
This.

The sensationalist garbage that we are approaching a race war is fucking trash.

>>3282258
I think a part of the debate here is what counts as a distinct culture. Can "adjacent" or "very close" cultures live under the same roof? How far is too far apart for different cultures to exist under the same democracy?

>>3280024
The most multicultural and multiethnic European country is also the most democratic one.

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>Jews, Muslims, Druze, and Christians live in relative peace in the Middle East for centuries
>Europe has civil wars and genocides over religion and ethnicity throughout its history
>Europe invades Middle East
>salafism, zionism, etc. begin to spread

>>3280152
A white nationalist country can be multicultural.

>>3280024
Scotland, England, and Wales have been together since the acts of union in the 1700's, the scottish fucking hate the weak effeminate english, and the english dismiss the scottish and welsh as idiots who fuck sheep, even when the scottish had the chance, they voted to stay in the united kingdom.

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>>3282881
>There's a reason why demographics vote in blocks and everyone is concerned about securing the X vote.
not entirely correct, and provably so

also might the reason be party policies directly aimed at some groups

>>3280260
>difference between Britain and Germans
>small
What the actual fuck have you been smoking, the British and Germans are fucking nothing alike.

>be multicultural democracy
>get easily ripped apart by anyone who uses racial based marxism
>get absolutely BTFO by every single nationalist group that still exists because it turns out that your own group choosing to suicide itself doesn't make all the other groups do the same thing
Lmao

>>3280907
Kingdom of Yugoslavia

>>3280907
Austro-Hungarian Empire

>>3282920
Just because it's not 100% doesn't mean it's not a massive enough trend to show that demographics come before common policy for voters.

Your argument is like saying since seatbelts aren't 100% effective at saving lives, they not demonstrably safer.

>>3282923
Yeah, Britain's multicultural democracy is a notorius failure.
Oh wait, no it fucking wasn't.

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>>3282929
nah it's the other way around
large part of republicans think niggers are subhuman and want to deport mexicans

sorry, but of course you will vote democrat if they promise conditional amnesty and you are some sort of a mexican, for example
>Your argument is like saying since seatbelts aren't 100% effective at saving lives, they not demonstrably safer.
analogies are for retards in high school to understand simple physics concepts
you can use analogies to show anything

what % is massive enough for you, should all the ethnicities be split 50/50, do we do a chi squared test to find how far away we are from that

the only outrageous number there is the black one (as with most statistics in america), so we need to start 'genociding' them asap or something, because you know homogeneous societies work best :^)

>>3282933
Oh wait it's actually turning into a notorious failure.

>>3282923
>racial based marxism
This doesn't exist.

>>3282933
Londonistan is looking great already.

>>3282989
>>3282957
>Britain is turning into a notorius failure
Britain held 3 cultures on it's mainland in a political union for 300 years, multiculturalism isn't "niggarz and mooslims" it's multiple cultures living under one unified state.

>>3283033
So multiculturalism works fine without black and Arab people/muslims?

>>3280242

That mish-mash of Europeans had different cultures.

>>3283184
And they blended together into an American soup

>>3283181
Brazil has 12-15 million arabs and there are generally millions of arabs all over the americas that blended into the soup

you just don't know that, because they moved after ww1 and nobody ever brings them up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Brazilians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_diaspora

arabs aren't problematic, but islam - yes, most certainly and the culture around it

>>3283190

So what's your point then, was it an argument in favor of multiculturalism?

>>3280051
I live in St. Louis and nah. Niggers are disgusting

>>3282910
>relative peace

>>3283203
Whens the last time you heard of Albania or Indonesia or Turkey bombing the west? They're all Muslim and seem to be sane enough. The problem isn't Islam it's this Wahhabist/Salafist crap the Oil monarchs love to peddle to the world that's the issue.

>>3280051
>the us has done a very good job of this

You can't be serious

>Ctrl+F "Singapore"
>0 results

>>3284244
You do realize the majority of Americans are not of English descent right? America has done a better job than any in making "multiculturalism" work. Of course their are problems. but name a country where the people of region A don't like the people from city B. Just because there are issues in America has not changed the fact it is stable and economically powerful.

>>3284257
City states are a different thing entirely. Much easier to keep control of.

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>>3280051
>the US has done a very good job of this.
And Americucks also believe China will abandon their cultures for a few bottle of Coca Cola.

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>>3280051
>US has done a very good job of this.
I post another post just to laugh you

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>>3280051
>>3282893
>US has done a very good job of this.
>The sensationalist garbage that we are approaching a race war is fucking trash.

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>>3280051
include me in the screencap

>>3282989
>literally the greatest city in the world
>globally dominate arts, culture, fashion, cuisine
>b b but there are brown people there and they scare me

>>3280051
>multicultural societies only work if they're monocultural.

Burger education.

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>>3280051

>>3280051
There are no sharia law zones in europe you retard.
Theres muslim dominant districts in england/france/german/spain but there no enforcing sharia law. They tried this once in Germany and got beat up by locals and other normal immigrants who didnt want it either.


t. middle european who travels all around europe because of his job

>>3284582
London's dominance is an aftereffect of the Empire, it has nothing to do with multiculturalism or immigration, and it is slowly slipping from preeminence.

Multiculturalism is Just Balkanize My Shit Up: the belief system.

Diversity is not a strength, homogeneous regions are superior and have higher trust and charity. Issues are not along demographic lines.

>>3284797
Wrong. London was in decline for most of the post ww2 period. It's only in the last 20 years or so (post Thatcher, post new labour immigration reforms) that it started to thrive again.

>>3280024

It needs a content population, since multikulti is one of the first things that breaks when social tensions rise.

>>3280268
Untill World War 1 (and a bit untill World war 2) there were massive etnic clashes between Polish, Irish and Italians in the poor American urban neighbourhoods.

>>3280024
No, not historically or in modality.
States and democracy, as well as capitalism are actually a huge problem for multiethnic nations, decentralized municipalities, mutual cooperation and libertarianism is the best way to do it

>>3280024
>implying multiculturalism is real
To be accepted in Western society you have to unconditionally accept the ruling religio , i.e. progressivism.

>>3285240
Not if you're Muslim.