Why does this book trigger so many people?

>>3277231
Because it's wrong.

>>3277235

Not an argument

I disagree with >>3277235
Many things are wrong yet don't trigger me, I would be at full maximum trigger 24/7 if that were the case.

It is obviously because of the racial element.

>>3277239
https://archive.org/stream/fp_Jared_Diamond-Guns_Germs_and_Steel/Jared_Diamond-Guns_Germs_and_Steel_djvu.txt

>In case this question immediately makes you shudder at the thought that you are about to read a racist treatise, you aren't: as you will see, the answers to the question don't involve human racial differences at all.

>in mental ability New Guineans are probably genetically superior to Westerners

>>3277231
4chan hates everything that normies notice.

It's written by a jew and uses every jew argument in the book to convince millions of blue-pilled plebs about how European superiority was an accident of geography.

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>>3277321
Pure ideology

>>3277321

If Europeans got the upper hand because they evolved superior genetics for civilization building that WOULD ALSO be due to differing environment.

DESU, if you want to get all up on the high horse of Western Euro exceptionalism being a moral claim you need to embrace explanations like Fukayama that base it on institutions. But even Fukayama shows that institutions are the result of environment to some degree.

>>3277321
t. American

>>3277231
Because it sucks. It's a bird scientist's half assed attempt to explain to his tribal friend why his tribe hasn't taken over the world yet.

>>3277321
>accident of geography
I don't get why would this trigger you. Why is an accident of geography any different than an accident of genetics? What should actually matter to a racial/ethnic supremacist is that a superiority exists, and his ingroup can maintain it.

>>3277231
Shit argument debunked fifty years ago, very sketchty or shallow investigation, overly blown and pushed in academia etc.

>>3277376

Explain North America being still Hunter gathers in the 15th century then

>>3277376
The jew eliminates all the evidence pointing to any genetic superiority and just makes out europeans to be no different to africans or muslims, just getting the upper hand through accidents of geography. According to him, all you have to do to get afrian world domination is to put all the europeans in africa and all the africans in europe.

Except we have already done that experiment, we have whites in south africa, rich and advanced, and niggers in europe, poor and retarded.

Never trust a book written by a jew.

>>3277352
Europeans evolving superior genetics is not part of the book, and of course it wouldn't, how could a jew ever admit to white people being inherently superior???

The European geography molded superior humans through natural selection but not only so. There are other races that have the same level of organization and intelligence as europeans but who did not get the upper hand e.g. east asians.

>>3277231
"Why the west rules" is much better and a literal brick of a book.

>>3277428
Jews are smarter than whites.

i, for one, thought it was a pretty decent book, he made some strong points and put forward an comparative analysis of how humans react to their environment that is unlike anything before or since in its scope. naturally, as is the case with any work of such grandeur, he ends up ignoring a bunch of things and oversimplifying others, but i thin his basic point, that environmental circumstances are the key factor in shaping how human societies develop, is pretty darn strong and i have yet to hear any arguments against it that have anything like the in depth research that diamond has.

the reason it triggers /pol/lacks is because they're uneducated manchildren who haven't learn to deal with people holding opinions that differ to their own, let alone someone writing an incredibly detailed and well researched book that sells amazing well internationally and essentially contradicts all the core tenets of their worldview.

take Hanna arendt for example, her works pretty seriously rekt orthodox (bolshevik) marxism, but you dont see marxists throwing a temper tantrum every time she gets mentioned (which is basically in all decent politics classes)

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>>3277438
>jews
>not white

>>3277231

Because /polfags want to feel special, instead they are taught that they dominated due to geography.

>>3277231
Most of the time it's Nazis getting mad because Diamond rules out genetics as the reason why certain places are more developed than others.

Serious historians have a lot of problems with Diamond's methodology and specific conclusions but broadly agree with the points he's making.

>>3277438
They evolved to be "smart" through millennia of cheating and screwing host civilizations across europe and the middle east.

Their type of intelligence is deceit, mass indoctrination and financial theft. Every single man that allowed europe to become powerful and industrialized and scientific was a christian white man, not a fucking jew. They ride and steal the ideas of greater white men, add a little shit to it, mediatize it and pretend to have done all the work, e.g. Einstein.

>>3277414
>North America being still Hunter gathers in the 15th century
Wrong. The southern half of north america had agriculture since the BC8000s. It came and went in many parts due to a variety of issues, but in the 15th century there were agricultural societies in north america, especially in the south west.

>>3277422
>Except we have already done that experiment, we have whites in south africa, rich and advanced, and niggers in europe, poor and retarded.
Are you fucking kidding me. That argument would require putting uncivilized euros and niggers into untamed Africa and Europe respectively. Too bad that there's no such thing as untamed Europe anymore, nor uncivilized euros to make the attempt.

>>3277376
Because he lives in the US. If it's geography not genetics, he doesn't have an excuse to feel better than other people

>>3277451
>rules out genetics

How can people be this stupid?
So Kenyans and Jamaicans dominating spring and long distance has nothing to do with race?

Top scientists and doctors all coming from very specific racial characters (europeans, jews, high caste indians, east asians) have nothing to do with genetics?

Massive IQ testing differences between racial groups have 0% genetic rationale?

Seriously, gas yourself.

>>3277438
Not true, Sep and Miz jews (the most pure ones) have a lower IQ than white, while the Khazars ones (askhenazi) are the ones than had a higher IQ.

>>3277414
I mean, a large chunk weren't, there were agrarian/fishing cultures. The Plains and Desert cultures were hunter/gatherer due to the geographical reasons; arid, hard to tend land without significantly advanced farming techniques, and in the case of the Plains cultures, a practically inexhaustible source of meat being the major source of mest, as well as one that is incredibly difficult to domesticate in the massive numbers they appeared in in the time. The Plains cultures were nomadic for this reason; if you have the choice between farming for a meager subsistence life off of small mammals, birds, and crops, or being nomadic with a near inexhaustible food source, why would you pick the latter?

Great Lakes, Pacific Northwest, and Southeast cultures did develop agrarian societies, proving you have zero idea what you're talking about besides DUDE EUROPEANS LMAO

>>3277461
>If it's geography not genetics, he doesn't have an excuse to feel better than other people
This is such a silly argument. If you can feel superior by virtue of average racial genetic (since you're using your race's fitness rather than your own) why can't you feel superior by virtue of cultural accomplishment and effective political relevance? I mean don't white supremacists already hold that against jews anyway? Why do you people feel the need to go about your business in the most retarded least efficient possible way?

>>3277231
I dont get why people dont agree with the idea that geography and trade has an impact on society.

Do those people belive that Italians are genetically disposed to create a larger country and be more inventive than slovenians? Or that syrians are supperior to saudi arabians?

Diamond even gave emaples of groups regresing thanks to differing incentives from geography.

What i find interesting is how technology and ideas, memes, affect our behaviours. That question basically is the ending chapter to the book.

>>3277463
The former is debatable but a point, but mental ability simply doesn't manifest genetically the same way as physical atributes.

IQ is effectively garbage the way international charts are done today. There is enormous bias in the results, since a nation with a particularly lower national IQ, like, say, Chad, has a massively smaller education budget and hugely worse quality of like than most of the US or Scandinavian or East Asian nations.

Hell, you provided the perfect example in your post; that of High v Low caste Indians. Caste has been proven over and over to be laughable bullshit, with there being no genetic differences. However, your example of High Caste people having higher IQs is due to two facts: they have better access to better education than lower caste people, and they are much more likely to be able to put all their focus on education as a child, rather than helping support their family like a poor, low-caste person would have to.

This obviously applies on an international level as well.

In conclusion, the only way for those "dae niggers are stupid" IQ maps to be less biased is to pick a sample population at birth, and provide them all the same standard of living and education, in their native languages, to remove as many outside factors as possible.

>>3277422
>that Second paragraph
How do you use a history board and yet ignore all historical context
South Africa wasn't some "perfect experiment". The Dutch sent trained, supplied, and civilized Colonists into the region, where they immediately enslaved a large portion of the native populace, and refused to make any attempt for an equitable society. The current mess South Africa is in is due to 250 years of Europeans having a ridiculous enough head start to effectively rule the entire region the second they arrived, not giving the native population any chance at all to catch up.

>>3277506
High caste and low caste indians both come from a shithole country, and both are nearly equally poor. In the west, once they have access to good education, food and healthcare, it's always high caste indians who end up making it big, because they have the inherent genetic characteristics to succeed (handed down by generations of selective breeding). Isn't it funny that merchant caste indians are generally the CEOs and owners of big indian corporations while high caste brahmins (educated priest class) tend to become top tier scientists and doctors?

As for the niggers being dumb even when adopted into a white family in a western country, we have a study for that, see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

>>3277527
The dutch didnt send shit, it was dutch surplus population in a highly overpopulated country, going overseas to become farmers.

The boers were just poor fucking farmers, not ubermensch. They created an entire advanced country where the niggers were just festering in poverty and mudhuts, even after the whites showed them advanced technology.

Even today, centuries after the start of colonialism, and blacks havent learned a thing.

>>3277532

What about the study and white and black american solders in Germany and their kids?

https://benthamopen.com/contents/pdf/TOPSYJ/TOPSYJ-3-9.pdf

>>3277532
Why so you believe it's "inherent geneticcharacteristics " and not "their families are more affluent, even slightly, and are able to send their kids to the west to have a proper education, whereas lower-caste people don't have that option anywhere near as often"

>>3277544
Poor fucking farmers who came from a nation significantly more advanced than the region they ended up in

Cmon, it's not that hard to understand.

>>3277558
Humans are no different to dogs. We have good guard dogs, good shepherding dogs, good sniffer dogs, good attack dogs, good play dogs... and the list goes on.

Caste systems are literally selective breeding systems. Races in general are seletively bred humans that are designed to prosper in their own environments.

>>3277231
Because of the introduction. He said some really retarded shit about races and intelligence. But the actual book is solid and well argued, and there's only a few issues with it that don't really affect the core argument, which I think is true.

People also think it's somehow supposed to explain history, but it never claims to do that or attempts it. Them only topic is what the requirements for the emergence of civilisation are, and why a civilisation cannot exist without those being fulfilled, which is fairly uncontroversial.

>>3277544

Farmers who came from a region where they learned better agricultural practices with advanced tools.

Was that too much to add?

>>3277449
Jews are as white as Arabs are

>>3277564
so why didn't the blacks adopt their tech through trade

>>3277576
>Because of the introduction. He said some really retarded shit about races and intelligence.
Said shit is pretty evenly spread through the book actually. I can easily see the average poltard being triggered every other page and focusing on the 'outrage' dismissing the actual argument as they're wont to do.
It's actually pretty funny to read imo: how the fuck did the guy not see the issue with saying (and I'm barely even paraphrasing in any way here) "no race is smart than another, but by virtue of havin govercome their harsh environment the papuans are clearly geniuses"?

>>3277593

Because you need specific specialized jobs inorder to produce such tech.

The blacks didn't have enough of a population in that area to dedicate to tasks other then food production.

>>3277599
Yeah, that's pretty stupid, but he himself recognized that as a possible objection, so he develops his core theory in a monoracial context, so nobody can dismiss it based on that.

>>3277231
mr. jared diamond
MISTER
JARED
DIAMOND

>>3277609
Nobody can dismiss his argument, but they can dismiss his book. Which is what 99% of triggered people do, damaging its reputation in spite of a relatively solid (if not really novel) argument.
I just don't get why would he put that shit in at all. It's just pure fucking damage, and he even acknowledges it. Short of it having guaranteed him like a sale for every papuan, it's just bad business AND bad writing.

>>3277428
>superior genetics
>99% of Europeans can't survive in sunny areas

>>3277422
I'm a race realist, but please stop writing like an uneducated retard from Stormfront.

>>3277626
It probably didn't cross his mind that people would disagree with his anti-white racism and IQ misunderstanding, since thinking like that is pretty standard in certain circles.

>>3277470
Khazar thing is bullshit, so stop promoting it until you find genetic evidence for it.

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>>3277573
>Humans are no different to dogs

>>3277645
It would really take an astounding level of doublethink to consider an argument he objectively believes wrong to be still valid or uncriticizable just because it's still socially acceptable.
Then again he DOES show astounding levels of doublethink in writing "everyone is equally intelligent but papuans are smarter", so eh.

>>3277593
Trading what? They were a subsistence farming society, all they would have had to trade was worthless to the Afrikaaners.

>>3277352
What should I read by Fukuyama? I read through his wikipedia page, seems very interesting

>>3277231
I think that the book is right when it comes to the differences between Eurasia and the Americas. There is definitely a dearth of domesticable animals native to the Americas. And of course the north-south axis which hinders the spread of agriculture.
The rest of the book is just wrong.

>>3277231

It's just ridiculous in its most fundamental form, history is not natural sciences, it's very hard to "prove" any theories. Anyone can create a narrative about anything if there is no burden to predict anything in the future, and you can cherry pick among whatever part of history you want. Why did China stagnate while the western world thrived after the dark ages? Seems like a very important point but it doesn't really interest Jared since it doesn't fit neatly with his narrative.

Ironically I jumped into this book to be able to back up my leftist views after it was recommended to me by everyone and their mom. The book instead made me realize what fucking morons leftist academics really are and that they'll eat up anything as long as you arrive at the same conclusion you do.

>>3277690
*as long as you arrive at the same conclusion they do.

>>3277674
read more books, they traded cattle for guns and steel

>>3277690
Read the book, idiot. It doesn't even deal with the crap you bring up as criticism.

>>3277690
>Why did China stagnate
Dont know much about China but isnt that what big empires do? stagnate?

>>3277681

I liked Origins of Political Order. The second volume, Political Order and Decay is apparently better and stands alone but I can't speak to that having not finished it.

The 1989 FP article The End of History is a really good thought peice but was proven wrong.

The two massive Political Order books he wrote 20 years later explain why he was wrong, even though so much of the world thought he was right.

>>3277707

I'll check it out, thanks for the tip

>>3277703
Why don't you read my post instead simpleton.

>>3277705
Yes, exactly, which signifies the importance of cultures.

>>3277729
You claim to have read it, and then write something that has nothing to do with its thesis as criticism. Tell me what the book is about. Should be easy if you read it as you claim.

>>3277732

What? My criticism IS that it has nothing to do with the thesis, he is cherry picking history and ignoring fundamental factors because they don't fit the narrative.

I won't pretend that environment didn't matter for Europe's development simply because I don't know. But you could just as easily as Jared make the case that it was culture that did it single-handedly, it still doesn't prove anything, it's just reductive.

>>3277747
As expected, you didn't read the book.

>>3277690
>Why did China stagnate while the western world thrived after the dark ages? Seems like a very important point but it doesn't really interest Jared since it doesn't fit neatly with his narrative.

well considering most of the book is primarily concerned with Polynesian islands, which he makes abundantly clear in the introduction, its not exactly surprising he doesn't talk much about china is it?

furthermore theres a fairly high degree of academic consensus around why china didnt develop the same way Europe did, look up the high level equilibrium trap

>>3277751

Good trole my man you sure got me, upvoted.

>>3277753

I agree that it's not surprising, but a theory that aspires to so much shouldn't allow itself to be so limited in scope unless it simply isn't good.

I know the main theories about China's stagnation, which don't include environment. Which is also why I brought it up, could have been clearer though I suppose.

>>3277747
>But you could just as easily as Jared make the case that it was culture that did it single-handedly, it still doesn't prove anything, it's just reductive.

so your basically saying that no mater how much research or thought you do, having any opinion about anything is no more valid than any other opinion unless you can 'prove' your opinion which is obviously impossible because all anyone else has to do to 'disprove' you is have the opinion that you havent actually proved anything

>>3277544
>The boers were just poor fucking farmers, not ubermensch
There were plenty of support programs for Boers in The Netherlands. We fucking shipped them rifles on the regular.

>>3277321
Incas were superior to europeans though.

>>3277770
lol what, his theory isnt limited in scope at all, he just chooses an excellent set of examples as to how humans and societies react to their environments, polynesia, and formulates a theory about it. he then points out that this theory can be extrapolated to apply to all human society, which is obviously a bit iffy but he sure as hell argues his theory better than pretty much anyone with any similarly far reaching theory about civilization with the possible exception of Marx.

him not specifically dealing with china is not a point against him, if it was than you could simply list every group of people that has ever existed and which he doesn't talk about to prove him wrong, which is silly.

>>3277774

Obviously there's nothing wrong with speculating and theorizing, but few would be so arrogant as to make such broad statements ignoring several large strokes of history (which fit much worse with his narrative), with so much confidence.

Reading GGS I remember him even skipping the "in my opinion" after a while and going straight to "this caused that".

can't tell if b8 or the pseudoscientific racists are actually out in droves

>>3277439
oversimplification and occasionally a reliance on noble savage stereotypes were the most immediately noticeable issues in the book imo. it's written with a lot of sensitivity but that's no excuse for romanticizing small groups of people shitting in the woods

beyond that it might not be 100% accurate but it's still required reading for a reason

>>3277463
That high caste Indians have higher IQ than other Indians, or that Jews have higher IQ than populations of similar genetics, PROVES intelligence is not racial.

Nobody would deny that intelligence has a hereditary component, but it can't be reduced to skin color and skull shape

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>>3277751
I didn't go to books,
I went to history.

>>3277825
high caste indians and ashkenazi jews are racially different from their "lower" counterparts though

>>3277235
First post best post.

>>3277231
It is wrong, it speaks about everything but the obvious... there are racial differences. Nature covered this and says 80% of iq is inherited by age 21.

http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

It's a good book but it's trying so hard to ignore basic facts that the conversation seems ridiculous. The only people this appeals to are people with four year degrees or anybody outside the field. Imagine how far this book would be along if they just said there are racial differences but we're focusing on cultural differences and this is how they work in tandem

>>3277825
>but it can't be reduced to skin color and skull shape

Nibba yes it can. You can have an iq of 160 and be a Jamaican, it's just extraordinarily rare. No blacks have won a nobel prize outside of Peace and Literature (jerkfests) besides one guy in economics who shared the award with someone (keep in mind economics is sort of a jerk fest as well, economics is now where medicine was in the 19th century -- it's there, people are figuring things out, but the majority of it is a dead end while the populace engages in snake oil sales).

>>3278034
Your s.XX analysis of these populations' IQ, which isn't actually science, is also wrong.

>>3277231
because it completely debunks the pol narrative of european superiority

>>3278086
>european narrative of superiority
Pffffffft
Do "people" actually believe this?

>>3278094
No people don't

>>3278048
I included my source

>>3278140
Not all your claims are sourced.

>everyone is equal, except for whites who are inferior to the rest.
>next spend one thousand pages arguing why europeans just got lucky but are also more evil

Haven't actually read the book more than a few pages but I think that tl:dr sums the book up anyway.

>>3278171
Literally nobody says this

>>3278171
But europeans are inferior.

>>3278177

Except for the book we are discussing:>>3277251

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>>3278155
Quit being a cuck and use your words, what are you refuting?

You know, it doesn't matter how much you want this to be false. Established science dictates it is. This isn't even just nature, the American Psychological Association say it's at least 75% by age 21... that's a slightly different metric. This means everyone who is a professional accepts this trend from many different sources. The only ones who are butthurt about these facts are little virgins who don't want to accept the truth because they have to face the fact that maybe right-wing people are correct, are possibly more scientific than then and, by way of not denying science or history, are more moral than them.

>>3278171
>>3278185
That's a good summary, I use the book as a reference because it is an interesting read when referring to the 20% of life that isn't determined by genetics. Just horrible conclusion that makes you want to lynch white cucks

>>3278171
Terrible bait

>>3278194
It's a good summary cuck, it is the subject of op

>>3277231
What is it even about?

>>3277480
You've obviously never heard of Chaco canyon, or the pueblo Indians of new Mexico and Colorado that built permanent Adobe settlements, including cliff dwellings and pueblos on top of mesas for defense purposes. They stretch up and down the length of the Rio grande, they had agriculture, and they even had astronomical knowledge which they applied to architecture and sacred sites.

>>3277532
it couldn't possibly be because the caste system was only relatively recently abolished and the historically high class and low class people still feel the benefits/detriments of that system today, right? I mean, once you make everyone equal they just become instantly equal!

also stop drawing a false dichotomy between environment and genetics guys, your environment influences the sorts of genes which are successful

>>3277634
Do you mean sunny areas, in which we thrive, or horrid, humid, steaming jungles with no perceptible change in seasons besides torrential rain/hurricanes and moderate rain?
These jungles are also full of malaria and bacteria.

As one of my professor said " diamond is probably guessing using a metodology wich is at least arguable, and indeed a lot of scholars disagree with him or find his theories whituot enough ground. BUT in reality, the image he paints is kinda reasonable. Maybe he got by accident, or just guessed something which makes sense starting by something wrong, but he gets to a point for sure."

>>3278316
80% of IQ is determined by genes
http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v20/n1/full/mp2014105a.html?foxtrotcallback=true

>>3278243
Arguing that Europe's success is as a result of good geographical location (lots of rivers, coal+iron plentiful, got gunpowder from Asian trade and were easily able to conquer the Americas+Africa because of it).

>>3278421
This is irrelevant to european "superiority".

>>3277231
Because it proposes a model for understanding the development of civilization that downplays the importance of genes and ideas, in favor of material, external conditions. It's often considered "cultural marxism" or "racist" depending who is attacking it. Rather impressive that it managed to check both those boxes.

People like to think their genetic or cultural group is special, or that picking good values and principles will lead them to a better place. The worldview of Jared Diamond is rather grim, if you think about it.

>>3278421
*when comparing people raised in the same country with similar ressources

>>3277376
1. People want power.
2. People want to believe the world is fair. To na extent, this is a constructive dellusion. You are more willing to work hard and do good if you think the world owes you something for that and that the people who are worse off than you simply didn't work as hard or are as morally upstanding as you.
3. To preserve the dellusion that the world is fair you must believe that you deserve what you got, and that if you don't have what you want, which you feel you deserve, is because something or someone the world is moving or moved away from an order that is fair.

Bad people also fall into the morality trap. Gets them focused whining about how they should have power instead of coming up with notions of how to take it and keep it. These people are useful idiots for those that focus on the latter approach to power.

>>3278723
These types of chimps are the ones who can't even accept some Inca superiority facts. They literally chimp out and deny everything they "said".

>>3278379
It's really just that he drew on a lot of consensus positions, and weaved together a picture easily digestible and relatable for mass consumption.

Like, if I read a book about Ireland, it's treated as almost a no brainer that Ireland never unified because it was full of malarial bogs, and the only real source of wealth was cows, which encouraged a culture of constant cattle raiding, and loyalty being based on people (who are mobile) versus land (which is only really valuable if cows are currently occupying it.

If I read a book about 'why do the Great Lakes have such an advanced civilization compared to neighboring African regions?' It's a no brainer that the Great Lakes hit this magic combination of a good amount of rainfall, relatively cool temperatures, nice soil, and an access to an inland sea. Of course it's doing better than the Sudan.

You read enough good history, this kind of stuff becomes a no brainer. Jared Diamond just figured out how to package this in a way digestible to normies, and also piss off /pol/fags at the same time.

That's the saddest part about watching /pol/fags try and fail to refute Diamond. They think it's going to actually matter if they win. It's like a creationist earnestly debating Bill Nye the Science Guy and thinking that if they win, Biology is over.

>>3278800
Pretty much this yeah. Much of the global butthurt is ddue to the fact that the guys just found the correct picture in which paint all the stuff we know about pretty everything, and i must admit he's good at narrating. Sure, there are a lot of imperfection, but he gest it, and all the scholar are pissed because, once again, a non scholar grab all the stuff they did and take the "merit"

>>3277251

That's not wrong

>>3278190
is there a higher resolution version of this picture?

>>3278800
except, while jared's premise is right, he did a shit job, /pol/ isn't mad, they are jumping up and down with glee because they can point out the obvious errors or how irrelevant his points are and pretend this proves the central premise is wrong

>>3278895
But are New Guineans superior to Incas?

>>3278936
but /pol/ opionion is shit by default.
Diamonds has done errors, but i believe they are done in good faith, dude just tought HE WAS ABOUT TO DISCOVER THE TRUUUUTHHHH, and it's ok, it's a nice work anyway.
/pol/ on the other hand? They're just neckbeards, deluded folks and the like.

>>3278936
No, they're incredibly mad, because they aren't even capable of comprehending the errors, and even if they did, it wouldn't help them.

Instead, they hurr and durr about how you can totally ride Zebras, and the Congo rainforest is ideal for agriculture.

>>3277231
It doesn't pander to current racist retards on the right or left.

>>3277321
He could be right, Iranians, Indians and Asians are performing pretty well in western countries and even in their own especially in mathematics.
(Not too sure about Indians considering they are a diverse nation so i am guessing the higher castes are the ones that succeed. Most are probably retarded)

>>3278964
>They're just neckbeards
The supreme irony is that most of them aren't old enough to grow facial hair

I agree with Jared's arguments but using Indian castes is a bad example. They were actually shown to be quite genetically distinct for quite a while very recently, which contributes to their own caste specific genetic defects

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/17/health/india-south-asia-castes-genetics-diseases.html

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>the fucking asshurt of this pathetic board towards /pol/

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>>3278696
No, that's not the correct point to make because you are speaking about the environmental effect of IQ, I just told you the genetic effect of IQ is 80%. Saying the genetic effect of IQ is precipitated on the environmental effect of IQ is a loop that never ends and isn't correct.

If you study IQ tests you can see similar ones, that don't use words such as Raven Matrices, are used across the world.

Either way, the IQ tests don't measure the genetic aspect of them, that link I gave does.

>>3279120
Not an argument

>>3279120
Not even one argument support "european" superiority. What are you talking about?

>>3279145
just pointing out the pathological obsession of this board, literally everything that is said and done here is blatant obsessive antagonizing of /pol/, and this thread is a great example
it would be sad if it wasn't so hilarious

>>3279178

>/pol/tards come in and shit up the board
>valiant bod/his/attvas fend off these lame b8s
>the problem is /his/

What did he mean by this?

>>3277231
It triggers poltards

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>>3279191
there it is, the obsession again
look, we have a fresh one >>3279192

>>3279178
Because stormniggers flood everyboard spewing their shit and ruining any type of educated discussion. It's a perfectly reasonable educated response when a smaller sophisticated culture needs to maintain independence from a bigger inferior culture. See Vietnam vs China

>>3279198
I'm a poltard you retard

>>3279120
>/pol/ is shit, they are retards
>ah ah you butthurt m8? U butthurt? :^)

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>>3279201
>a smaller sophisticated culture

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>>3279206
>constantly obsessing on every single thread about the /pol/ boogeyman, constantly opposing the perceived narrative for the sake of it
>w-we are t-totally n-not butthurt!
if /pol/ started worshiping this book from tomorrow the redditors of this board would do a 180° on it

>>3279201
Now you understand the eurangutan savagery being in denial to Inca superiority.

>>3279215

>the /pol/ boogeyman isn't real

How new?

>>3279215
Yeah sure dude, because im Like 12 and i pick my ideas looking at what others do, sure.

>>3277573
Wait... Are you saying that we have had human breeding programmes?

>>3279219
the quality of this board has gone downhill the moment you butthurt redditors started obsessing over /pol/ in every single thread

>>3279232
>>3279191

>>3279226
thanks for being sincere

>>3279232
Poltards or stupid fucks spewing the same retarded arguments shitposts on every thread, and People calling them out are obsessed? I just want pol to close, its the most useless Board on this fucking shithole.

>>3279234
>/pol/tards come in and shit up the board
pretty much the founding myth and sole reason of existence of this shitty reddit board

>>3279236
Yeah sure m8, sure :^)

>>3279232
Ah man that sucks.
Have you ever thought about leaving?

>>3279253
nah, I'd rather laugh at le englightened gentlemen here and their holier than thou underage attitude :^)

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>>3279268
You seem to have made a mistake, allow me to fix that

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>>3277321
>Written by a Jew

so it was written by the highest IQ group? how was that a bad thing?

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>>3277321
If not geography and context, what do you think genetics is determined by then? Magic?

>this is your brain on /pol/

>>3279274
Man that brit cunt is such a miserable human being. Imagine that, spending your life spewing bullshits on YouTube to lure idiots in and surviving off that

>>3279289
Dont try to confuse the supreme redpilled race anon, be kind

>>3279249

>the reason for the board is that another board shat it up before it existed

What did he mean by this?

>>3279289
Except Diamond argues that it is NOT due to genetics. He refuses to admit that different geographic conditions can influence the way the different races evolved. Have you even read the book?

>>3279291
It's the French Canadian that shot up a mosque, dummy

>>3279318
Das tru, im a faggot

>>3279092
The top 0.0001% perform well in western countries.

It's amazing the results you can get when you can skim the cream of the crop.

>>3279289
I can't tell if you're shitpositng, genetics is determined by genetics which was determined by molecules crashing together

>>3277231
The mutual hatred of this book from both the far left and right for pretty similar reasons tells me a lot.

>>3278895
Yeah it is

>>3277454
Do you have a single fact to back that up

>>3277231
It's total rubbish

>>3279092
That's because we skim the top 0.1% from their countries lol

>whites are superior because of genetics!
>no, whites are superior because of geography and trade!

At least we all agree that whites are superior. Let's not get divided over the "how"

>>3278190
That has nothing to do with "european"" superiority.
>cuck
So you agree with me?

>>3280398
Wrong. Incas were superior to europeans.

>>3280398
>Europeans are superior because of genetics!
>no, Europeans are superior because of geography and trade!
FTFY

>>3277506
Don't have the study with me, but I remember findiging one that compared IQ level of whites to blacks at similar income levels.

On average, the IQ for blacks that were in the top bracket makig 100k+ was around the same as those whites in the lowest bracket making $20 or 30. The average IQ gap between blacks and whites with the same income level was around 170 or 180, I'll try to find it.

>>3280821
Do you mean SAT scores or IQ?

>>3280862
Both. The study is actually in this guys pic

>>3278190

>>3280864
That doesn't excuse european slow development.

Correlation=/= Causation

So, is this book worth reading or is it a waste of time?

>>3281120
It's the same as reading all that IQ pseudoscientific correlations.

>>3281120
You should read it.

Much of it boils down to environmental determinism in the end even if you disagree with Diamond.

Even if you're a complete and utter biological determinist, you're basically saying that a certain group or its ancestors lived in environments that contributed to their selection towards certain ends.

One exception is that certain institutions that pop up due to weird historical circumstances can influence society in certain ways that also make it select for traits that will be shown to be positive in certain environments. E.g. the Catholic church might have influenced the marriage pattern in parts of western Europe.

In fact some leftist critics have exactly understood how close Diamond's reasoning is to biological determinism...From reddit

>Isn't that precisely where the slip into racism starts, though? If culture is just geography, one might conclude that western culture and white race is just a natural product of the shape of the earth.

And the more charitable to Diamond but apparently more blue-pilled answer

>I don't think so, not at all, no. He is very, very, very clear on the fact that there is no "white race" or other meaningful human biological difference.

Interesting. :)

>>3281361
Jared Diamond makes a holistic PoV of civilizations mentioning the major factors that changed the development rate or simply put others onto different circumstances than others.

However he skips most history and tactical processes that made it possible for the civilizations to conquer the others.

His point is flawed the same as the assumption that IQ or race is the determinant of development.

>>3277665

If I recall correctly, he never says "Everyone is equal".

His argument is along the lines of "I dismiss racial intelligence as an explanation, even if someone was to try and construct an argument like that there's a stronger case that papauns are more intelligent than europeans and yet their society didn't become more powerful than european, therefore even if we were hypothetically to accept that racial intelligence was a factor at all it fails to provide a satisfying explanation."

The purpose of him referring to the papauns is to say that even if you are someone who believe in significant racial intelligence differences, you should still recognize that it fails to explain Europe's success.

>>3277422
> He literally starts his argument with " The jew"

top kek

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say your a little biased.

>>3277439
> manchildren who haven't learn to deal with people holding opinions that differ to their own

I will note that there are a lot of people on the left who don't like dissidents either.

Nevertheless, I agree with you, when people who lean right hear contrary opinions, there is a palpable anger bordering on fury. It's very strange.

You'll be hard pressed to find a reasonable person on either side of the aisle nowadays, but if you do, i'm pretty sure they'll be left leaning.

I wish Diamond had somehow explained the mongol conquests, as well as why India/"the sub-continent" didn't see a similar incentive to dominate, as those were two sets of criticisms I saw that intrigued me.

More importantly I wish he considered it was "Guns, Germs, Steel, And LUCK" that were important factors. The Conquistidors arrived just as many of Meso- and south-american civilizations were in the midst of civil wars or sectarian violence.

There's also the factor of "earthworms", when looking at british/french settlement of north america. Apparently Earthworms were not native to this region (some say North America as a whole) until European settlers brought them, and this had a significant impact on the flora/fauna.

Nazis hate it because it suggests that Europeans are only on too due to accidents, not by them being Gods sent down to Earth to lord over the lesser beings.

Commies hate it because it suggests that not every single person and people on Earth are 100%exactly the same as each other.

>>3277454
I highly doubt that is the case. It appears there is something to the Eastern EU origin of Ashkenazi Jews.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/37821/title/Genetic-Roots-of-the-Ashkenazi-Jews/
I would guess they converted to Judaism, started moving into western EU countries, were barred from traditional trades, studied law/banking/accounting, got rich, got robbed and then booted from the host country. Repeat more then 100 times in EU history.
If you believe the evolutionary theory that environmental stress hastens biological changes, then this probably meant the Jews were having to "adapt" faster than most. Intelligence was probably their selective trait.
There is also a good chance that every time they moved, they left behind, those who were "too weak", financially unable, or not dedicated enough to the in-group. There is a fair chance this would lop off the bottom of their bell curve of intelligence every time they had to exodus to a new country.
This could very well be the drivers behind their higher IQs today.