What emotion do you feel when you look at this photo?

"Hella sick-ass cool photo, bruh"

>>3254944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLi0Fxfqtdk

>>3254944
Victory, sweet victory over the fascist scum. The Hiterlites of G*rmany brought this war upon themselves. Damn Stalin for thinking he could trust the Hiterlites oh was he wrong.

The arrogant G*rmans thought they could conquer the Soviet country, and subjugate the Soviet people, they played stupid games and won stupid prizes.

>>3254944
I imagine the Germans in the buildings saying, "LOL the tolerate left amirite???"

>>3254944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKBZeNJNUks

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>>3254962
>>3254966
>>3254954
>>3254972

Sad.

>>3254962
Stalin never thought he could trust them. He just knew he had to enter into a pact of convenience for both sides while he turned his agrarian shithole of a country into one of the world's foremost industrial powers.

also needed spam

>>3254962
[stands in breadline]

>>3254944
Disgust.

51 years of Soviet occupation is cruel but it had to be done. I just wish we could have learned from history and restored "Germany" to a patchwork of quaint peaceful principalities (sans Prussia) as they were before Bismarck.

>>3254944
Fascists painted red waiving their banner over other Fascists.

55 years rather

>>3254989
He thought Hitler would be bogged down in a WWI stalemate with France and he could make money by selling weapons to their industrialists.

So much for the "tolerant left"

>>3255138
>selling weapons
more like oil and grain

>>3254989
>Russia
>industrial power

>>3254944
always loved how the guy standing below the flag bearer is wearing a watch on both arms

>>3254944
Sad. As a german with relatives who had to flee the first wave of commie rapists, real sad.

My grandpa told me that once the first week was over and other russians and especially higher ups arrived the situation normalized and rapists and the like were often shot on the spot by their higher ups. Before that you could only hide and hope or run. My grandma hid in a cabinet in some cellar for 5 days until grandpa found means to get the fuck out of the east and to NRW.

>>3254962
Has to be bait.

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>>3254944
the weak should fear the strong

>>3255465
meh, the "throw humans into mg fire until they run out of ammo" tactics doesnt strike me as "strong"

>>3254944
Gladness that the Nazis were defeated. Anger that Stalin had caused and would continue to cause so much suffering and death.

>Slavs raping the "masterrace" with a communist handicap
Pride.

>>3255490
There's more to soviet victory than numbers, /pol/tard wehraboo

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>>3255490
Yes, that's totally what happened.

>>3255516
>>3255519
>even acknowledging losers

>>3255437

Its a compass.

Euphoric

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>>3255516
>>3255525
Winners don't need organized brigades to direct the discussion, roadkill.

>>3255516
Never been on pol but im german so yeah i might be biased.
Then tell me what amazing tacticts the soviets used.

>>3255543
This, because this single moment caused so much butthurt it can still be felt today

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>>3255546
Lol

>>3255548
Deep battle my german friend.
at least you get to be on top of the developed world while russians are standing in bread lines again.

>>3254944
It's a bit small. I cant see if this is the one where they edited out all his looted watches.

>>3255561
Everyone uses that tactic against fortified enemy camps and the like.

Why do all these pseudo commies who would be the first one to be send to the gulag think that the soviets first wave was anything of worth.
Its was steppe mongols and pretty much nothing else, more chinese than russian, send into the meatgrinder. After that it changed, no other faction made so much military progress in the war years as the soviets. But still. Im correct.
And if we want to be REALLY correct, not the soviets won, their harsh lands did.

>>3255554
>Doesn't even try to deny it
>b-but stormfags did it too!

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>>3255570
> But still. Im correct. And if we want to be REALLY correct, not the soviets won, their harsh lands did.

>>3255570
yeah, the harsh lands won the war for the russians. Its not like the germans wildy overestimated the amount of encirclements they would do when they went on the offensive after the winter of 41.

>>3255581
? most actual trained soldiers were stuck in the ice or already frozen or starved to death.
Russian scorched earth ever heard of it?
Berlin was defended by old vets and literal children in the end.
Also the strict order to take stalingrad, no matter the cost, fucked the heer up tremendously.
I said it once and Ill say it again, if Hitler had died at some point before barbarossa the germans probably woudlve won the war.

>>3255586
That was Hitlers retardation. Worst military leader bar to none, amazing speaker and thinker but man was he bad at war.

>>3255587
>the germans would probably have won the war.
hans please. HoI4 isn't a simulation.

>>3255591
Hitler made so many tactical errors along the way.
A lot of oldschool military leaders and the like hated his guts. Especially the ones from prussian lineages.
With decent leadership and some diplomatic finesse, yes the germans couldve won the war.
(Also Italy was a mistake)

>>3255587
>? most actual trained soldiers were stuck in the ice or already frozen or starved to death.
where are the proofs?
>Russian scorched earth ever heard of it?
Scorched earth is artificial, the land is naturally like that
> if Hitler had died at some point before barbarossa the germans probably woudlve won the war.
doubt.jpg

>>3255595
>A lot of oldschool military leaders and the like hated his guts. Especially the ones from prussian lineages.
Mostly because he disliked and distrusted them, preferring generals of lowly origins to the Prussian officer class.

>>3254981
Capitalism always prevails.

>>3255597
>Scorched earth is artificial, the land is naturally like that
I should clarify that I dont mean Russia is naturally scorched

>>3255516
Soviet tactics were garbage, hence the retarded KDR. Who are you kidding?

It's sad, to me the photo says "it's finally over" but literally none of that destruction in the background needed to happen.

>>3255554
>2012
Bwahahahahaha
Leftypol and reddit lookin awful desperate right now.

>>3255579

>2012

>>3255605
Well you know why? Because the german heers leaders were ALL prussian before the third reich.
They scorned and hated non prussian soldiers and generals.
It was a hate/hate relationship basically.
>>3255597
typical WHERE ARE THE PROOFS!!!
Proof is that most of our losses were exactly where i said they were, at the frozen hellscape of stalingrad and the surroundings. I dont know the exact number anymore but a really big portion of our losses were at stalingrad.

The land is naturaly hostile in winter yeah, but the old tacticts of the ruskie of burning down everything and taking everything of worth while retreating is smart and effective.

Given operation barbarossa was retarded because hitler demanded stalingrad to be taken just because of the name.
They already destroyed it, if they had jsut go around it to moscow it wouldve been a whole different story. Instead they got the meatgrinder urban warfare shitshow of stalingrad.
Cant imagine how it was for either side to fight there.

>>3255619
Are you saying you're not from /pol/?
Do you know how obvious you are you subversive kike?

>>3255619

>stormcunts have been invading for the past 5 years
>b...but reddit!!!!

>>3255624
>muh /pol/ boogieman
Could probably count the amount of times I've been there on one hand.
>>3255630
>a website that looks like its from the late 90s and barely nets 30,000 users A MONTH is totally influencing all of 4chan!
You know how retarded you sound, yeah?

>>3255630
The fact that you had to go so far back to even find a mention of 4chan should tell you something.

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>>3255656

>>3255656
>>3255662
>>3255630
CANY OU PEOPLE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOUR RETARDED YANKEE NONSENSE DRAMA!??
A WHOLE FUCKING NATION LARPING JUST GET YOUR CIVIL WAR STARTED AND GET IT OVER WITH ! GOD FUCKING DAMNIT YOU FAT ANGLOS!

>>3254944
we fought the wrong people, WW2 should have been everyone against the soviets

>>3255662
>2014

>>3255638

>stormfront has no influence on stormfags

Yeah, sure...

So much for the tolerant left

>>3255679
Go run over someone

>>3255621
>Well you know why?
Yes, I know why. Because the old-style Prussian nobility (that made a large part of the high officer cadre) never really supported the NSDAP and was prejudiced against people whom they saw as low-born upstarts (those not part of the old Prussian military nobility).

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>>3254944
Triumph, glory, justice.

mostly thoughts about 1940s photoshop

>>3255490
bad bait

>>3255587
Ah yes, don't mind the millions of armed men standing in the way of your objectives it was actually the frozen mud that got us btw we are the master race 1v1 me fgt

>>3254944
*takes over half of europe and enslaves it under communism*
good job americans you really liberated europe :)

>>3255590
>Worst military leader bar to none,
His generals made grave mistakes too
>amazing speaker
not really

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>>3254944
If only it was a British flag...

>>3255590
>Hitler
>Amazing thinker
lmao

>>3255621
>typical WHERE ARE THE PROOFS!!!
so you're laughing at logic and proper argument and citation? did you fail out of school?

>>3255638
>what are hardcore ideologues that spend day in day out agitating and making propaganda and dedication all their free time arguing with people on forums to push their ideological agenda.
you don't need that many people, you just need a few nutjobs willing to post constantly to convince people to their side through sheer repetition

>>3255675
thats about the date that other reddit picture is from too. in fact that picture has no date on it on purpose to trick people as to its age, obviously

>>3254944
I don't feel much. The photo itself was staged to be the next raising flag on Iwo Jima. It's not much.
And it's Soviets against Nazi Germans so who cares who wins? Instead of two great evil forces now there's only one to take out.

>>3255785
>haha hes dumb bro i am a much more influential thinker

I'm angry because they used some Georgian fuck for this staged photo instead of Mikhail Minin, the guy who actually planted the original flag on the Reichstag not two days ago.

>>3255805
>le ebil Soviets meme

>>3255842

Because concentration camps are not bad when the guards speak Russian?

>>3255848
Germans POWs had it coming, and Soviet veterans themselves were often victims of post-war gulags. The Red Army does not bear the responsibility for post-war communist crimes against the Soviet peoples.

>>3255842
There's nothing memetic about unquestionable truth. I'm so sorry history doesn't bow down to your wishes comrade.

>>3255865
You know Soviets re-opened Auschwitz and built several labor camps of their own after the war in their conquered territories.

>>3255877
I already adressed everything.

>>3255865
Wait, so. Soviet being evil is a meme, but the soviets being evil after the war is not?

>>3255877
Do you have any proofs for this claim?

>>3255881
They didn't just commit crimes on Germans but on every other nationality under their control.

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>>3255884
https://www.google.com/culturalinstitute/beta/asset/swietochlowice-poland-postwar-a-labor-camp-in-the-zgoda-oil-factory/uwG0fIm1p8IM4A

https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Zgoda%20labour%20camp&item_type=topic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salomon_Morel

Tankies on wiki already deleted his photo because it made him look bad so I'm posting it now. There were more camps though.

>>3255882
>>3255888
Soviets are not a hive-mind. Why can you tell the distinction between German civilians, Wermacht, SS and the Nazi party but not between the Red Army, Soviet civilians and the Communist Party?

The Russian soldiers of WWII are ultimately heroes and communism is a tragedy that struck the Russian people the most.

>>3255895
Yeah it's a tragedy and also tragic that the Soviet army was used to take as much land as possible and to the civilian population they proved to be worse than Germans which is no small feat.

>>3255785
Check out his plans for the greater germania and what kinda projects he wanted to start instead of fighting a war he didnt really want in the first place but maneuveured himself into due to autism and old hate.
>>3255775
Those millions of armed men had serious trouble with the germans for the first phases of the offensive. Where did I say anything about "Masterrace" etc. Why is this board so fucking shitty, youre like a worse lefty version of pol at times.
>>3255895
Most russian soldiers of ww2 that actually advanceed into western europe were mongolian steppe niggers, cannon fodder. And yes communism hit the actual russians real hard, i mean native russians were systematicly genocided by the soviets, yet its not that bad and my god that holocaust ! all this fixation on the holocaust and how many jews died there (plenty of non jews died in those camps) is absolutely retarded and disrespectful of all teh people that died in gulag or in american pow camps or anywhere in the theater of this war.

And people who actively defend communis should be send to maos china or stalin russia to live in the amazing world that communism creates. blue eyed naive sheltered shits.

>>3255949
I like Russian historians like Nikolai Ivanov always insist on calling them Soviets not Russians because Russia was the first victim of bolshevism and it was basically anti-culture. No need to identify with this cult.

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>>3255893
Better photo.

>>3256006
Yeah one of these days I'm gonna have to ask why they removed the photo. He's not gonna get any prettier.

>>3254981
Damn Lenin looks like THAT?

>>3255898
>and to the civilian population they proved to be worse than Germans
Maybe in the Baltics, because they largely collaborated with the Nazis, they definitely weren't worse to the others.

>>3256014
tell that to anyone from the balkans and the poles. oblivious yankee doodle.

>>3254949
This.
>>3254944
Also, "Well, it's finally over. Must have felt amazing to put that up there.".

>>3255968
None of the american pseudo commie larpers understand that tho.

I dont get it, what kinda history do they learn in uni? I really dont get it.

>>3256014
They were in Poland and Slovaki at least. I don't know about the Baltics but I wouldn't be surprised.

The only place where Soviets weren't worse was probably Ukraine.

>>3254944
why is the watch shopped of his wrist?

>>3256032
>The only place where Soviets weren't worse was probably Ukraine.


wait, waaat? are you serious? are you shitposting? what is this? WHAT

>>3256041
Have any relatives there or talked to veterans from that regions? Read testimonies or at least Anglo-friendly "10 things you didn't know about WWII" articles?

>>3256022
>>3256032

Tha Nazis killed 2.7 million Poles, the Soviets around 150.000. They were not worse. Those are official estimates made by modern Polish historians from IPN.

The Nazis and Ustase also killed much more people in Yugoslavia than the Soviets. Your anecdotal evidence means absolutely nothing.

>>3256043
Also sorry because of course there's also Belarus and not just Ukraine. Nazis fucked it up and instead of fullfilling the promises of liberation they started genociding.

>>3256044
They were worse for civilian population who encountered both armies when they were invading. Murder, rape and looting.

>>3256022
I'm from Balkans and in my case i find it laughable to even compare Soviets to anything the Germans have ever done. It's pure revisionism and only the descendants of obvious collaborators continue to cry about it.

Any form of anti-Soviet sentiment here started after the war was over.

>>3254944
Safety concerns.
Would never hire these guys.

Soviets already killed 200 thousand Poles in the late 30s. I don't know how many people were left in the eastern regions afterwards.

>>3256044
Never believe a Pole, everyone from europe knows that.
Nobody has a bigger victim complex than the poles. "official estimates " modern historians" like that heightens the validity of it.
All ww2 history is a witch hunt for anything german. propaganda made the germans the devil incarnate and they were so successfull with it they couldnt go back on it. Now please stfu with stuff you know nothing about.

>>3256049
They were not.

>>3256043
What happened in ukraine in the early 1930s.

tell me.

>>3256056
Should I believe the Germans then? German historians estimate that Nazis killed from 12-14 million civilians and POWs between 1939 and 1945.

>>3256058
Where are you from?

>>3256054
They killed 111,091 ethnic Poles during the Polish Operation of the NKVD. But that was before WW2.

>>3256065
Poland.

>>3256063
I dont believe either side to estimate anything correct and btw. if you said believe the germans dont think any german actually had anything to do with it. anyone who even tries to investigate anything natsoc and isnt completly onesided gets shunned. Very well known german historians got publicly shunned and kicked out of their uni jobs when they digged too deep.
And its was an all out world war. Any side did unspeakable things to natives and pows. In any war. But my power ranking in being evil and being systematic killers goes : soviets , japanese, nazis, allies

>>3256073
Any relatives alive in the country when the Soviets overtaking the western part from Lower Silesia to Pomerania? As bad as Germans were Soviet army was the most brutal and animalistic of all.

>>3256071
Twice as much. Unless the rest is just people from Belarus who just had Polish-sounding names because that was enough.

>>3256086
That has to do with the fact that those regions were predominatly german. Silesia aka Schlesien is german soil.

>>3256080
You're just a dumb stormfag, don't waste my time.

>>3256086
>Soviet army was the most brutal and animalistic of all
How many of your relatives were deported to concentration camps?

>>3256092
>twice as much
Source?

>>3256102
what the hell is a stormfag? Im just some german dude whose trying to see through the bullshit veil of propaganda from either side.
Youre just some 20 something american pseudo commie who spews half assed truths and anyone who thinks in any way different from your standpoint is a nazi a "stormfag"? or whatever. Do you not realise that?

>>3256080
I like how stormfags immediately turn everything into some big conspiracy. Germans dindu nuffin, dey were gut jungen, need dat geld for dem lebensraums.

Revisionism should be shunned and for a reason.

>>3256102
How about Soviet camps. Or how about Siberia?

Both Germans and Soviets used exactly the same tactics during different periods. Soviets were first to start policy of extermination based on nationality in late 30s. During WWII and early occupation both were just as harsh but the circumstances changed later during the war. It all depends on the timeframe. But based on the things I've heard personally and read I will never agree that Soviets were lesser evil.

>>3256097
Rural Polish area with little German connection. Not talking about Western Pomerania. More to the center than that.

>>3256119
????????????????????????????????????????????

The fuck are you on about? where did I say germans didnt do anything? And its not a conspiracy that for the most part ww2 was a propaganda war which the soviets definatly won.
And the victors always write history. So take anything said with a grain of salt, like the smart little boy you think you are.

You really are a special kind of stupid. I never said the germans were innocent or didnt do anything, stop projecting your little Yankee nazi/commie larp that you have going on on me.

>>3256123
Soviets fucking hated the poles, I dont exactly know why but the poles have the worst geopolitical position possible.

>>3255638
>>a website that looks like its from the late 90s and barely nets 30,000 users A MONTH is totally influencing all of 4chan!

Pretty sure that's more than whatever subreddit that got posted and /leftypol/ combined have by a wide margin yet it doesn't stop /pol/tards from using them as a boogeyman. And stormfag infiltration is real, even old /pol/ complained about them.

>>3256123
Yes, they were pretty bad, but what about them?

>But based on the things I've heard personally and read I will never agree that Soviets were lesser evil.
Anecdotal evidence is irrelevant. German occupation was much more deadly than the Soviet one.

>>3256126
>And the victors always write history
Every time when i talk to a revisionist they always say this. Every single time.

Didn't it go through your head maybe that we also use German pre-war and WW2 records and documents to write this history you wish to revise? Or is this one-sided too?

>>3256131
No it wasn't. It simply wasn't. They already exterminated Polish population in their own country and after 1939 both were just as dangerous. Both were killing the elite, the officers and sending people to labor camps. In fact on the Soviet side it was even more random. And originally I was talking about the attitude of average soldiers to average civilian.

>>3255426
Tfw you manage to pump out 80000 tanks and 40000 il 2s and delusional burgers still think your not an industrial power.

>>3256136
You know that this is a quote for like the 1700s right? Its a fact.

And documents have never been forged to get the public on your side, thats completly unheard of that is correct.

You guys need to get that blockade out of your head. Im just saying that the germans were made the boogeyman for everything ww1 and ww2. And thats undeniable. And stop with your buzzwords. I can smell the indoctrination on you, i can see your empty gaze. You probably own a che guevara shirt. Im not even left or right. I try to look at it in a neutral way. And looking at it that way makes the soviets look like some of the worst enemies of humanity. Doesnt make the nazis better or lets them stand in a different light.I never denied any nazi atrocities, which you would know if youd actually read my posts.But yeah. why am I trying to convince you.
A fuck you from the bottom of my heart to end this should be enough.

>>3255615
Dude when you consider all the murdered pows and axis casualties, the kd on the eastern front is 1.2 in favor of the germans.

>>3256144
Soviet industrial power was something to behold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oET1WaG5sFk

which this shows.

>>3256142
>No it wasn't

>German occupation
>2.7 million
>Soviet occupation
>150.000 + 150.000 before the war
It's really not comparable.

This is a fragment from Himmler's Treatment of Alien Races in the East (1940):

>Within a somewhat longer period, it should also be possible to make the ethnic concepts of Ukrainians, Gorals and Lemcos disappear in our area. What has been said for those fragments of peoples is also meant on a correspondingly larger scale for the Poles.
>For the non-German population of the East there must be no higher school than the four-grade elementary school. The sole goal of this school is to be
>Simply arithmetic up to 500 at the most; writing of one's name; the doctrine that it is a divine law to obey the Germans and to be honest, industrious, and good. I don't think that reading is necessary.

>This population will, as a people of laborers without leaders, be at our disposal and will furnish Germany annually with migrant workers and with workers for special tasks (roads, quarries, buildings): they themselves will have more to eat and more to live on than under the Polish regime; and, though they have no culture of their own, they will, under the strict, consistent, and just leadership of the German people, be called upon to help work on its everlasting cultural tasks and its buildings and perhaps, as far as the amount of heavy work is concerned, will be the ones who make the realization of these tasks possible.
Do you think this is less bad than just a communist regime?

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>>3256152
>You know that this is a quote for like the 1700s right
You know this doesn't help your argument right? Historiography and source critique have progressed immensly since the times of Gibbon and Voltaire.
>And documents have never been forged to get the public on your side
Right, another jewish conspiracy.
>Im just saying that the germans were made the boogeyman for everything ww1 and ww2
They've been made so for a reason. They are mostly responsible for the first war and completely responsible for the second one.
>And stop with your buzzwords. I can smell the indoctrination on you, i can see your empty gaze
Amazing ad hominems, but that will not help your argument. I like how you revisionists always pretend to be objective and neutral when in reality you just want to push your cause and revise history. You're more subversive than the jews in your fantasy tales.
>A fuck you from the bottom of my heart to end this should be enough
Fuck you too but no, that will not be enough. Don't try to get out of this just because you have nothing to prove.

>>3254944
Really conflicted. Yes, it's the symbol of the end of the war in Europe, but the cost as enormous, and you see that in the picture as well by how ruined Berlin looks. On top of that, the Soviets were brutal in their taking of Berlin, and the Germans were putting old and sick out there with weapons as a desperate last line of defense.

Plus, it signals (to me) the start of the Cold War, seeing the Soviets planting their flag over the capital of Germany like that.

I think if I needed to pick one word, I'd say sobering. Not many images capture war, especially World War II, quite like this.

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>>3256177
Again. For people who saw both armies Soviets were more dangerous. Can't change their memoirs those are their testimonies. They were more scared of the Soviets.
The policy of both regimes was changing from time to time but both were using the same tactics (Gestapo learned from NKVD).

It's relative vs. absolute as we can see on the map. In late 30s USSR basically anihilated the Polish population, During the war they did the same things as Germans including robbery, murder, arrests etc. This included local communists as well. Of course losing Germans accelerated the extermination programs. But basic principle of both was the same: kill undesirables and total disregard to others. After the war it meant politicians and soldiers who couldn't been a threat to the new regime. Of course since people living there couldn't talk about these things and because the West was at least partially responsible for it of course fewer people know about it but recently more historians like Snyder or Moorhouse have written about the subject.
No lesser evil.

>>3256211
REVISIONIST !
REVISIONIST !
REVISIONIST !

thats all you say when someone doesnt have your standpoint, not even that anon but man youre sad.

>>3256243
Why are you posting this map?

>In late 30s USSR basically anihilated the Polish population
In the USSR, yes. This is a map of Second Polish Republic.

>For people who saw both armies Soviets were more dangerous.
Are you sure that for, for example, citizens of Warsaw Soviets were more dangerous?

>>3256250
What he tries to argue is revisionism, yes. It makes actual sense since he actually advocates it.
>thats all you say when someone doesnt have your standpoint
Your lot calls people who don't agree with them jews and kikes, do you think that's better?

>>3256278
Do you realise that all you do in this thread is hating on anything axis? You dont evne care about the stuff other people say, youre like a commie shill, nothing more. Not even interested in the subject youre just here to spew your half assed shit and belittle people that think differently than you.

>>3256286
My lot?
Im not from pol mate, i was mainly on /ck and /x before i went here for a bit.
All this here is, is a shitslingling contest between larping nazis and larping commies who are nothing else but directionless yankees who fell for the divide and conquer tactic.

But I dont like semites a lot, I give you that but thats probably self hate since im half german and half jewish.

>>3256278
The map is because you talked about raw numbers. Plus you have to take into account special circumstances. Warsaw in 1944 was not only a major German occupied city but the uprising provoked the kind of reaction that is typical foroppressive regimes usually when challenged such a way. Especially the one that was losing the war.

Out of respect for the victims I usually say that Nazis and Commies were just as bad but I also remember what I've been told.

>>3256293
Ah so i'm a commie now. Cool.
>m not from pol mate
Of course you aren't, you just happen to advocate things that fall into their narrative.

>>3256308
Pls dont try to argue with him that both sides were practially the same when it came to dealing with non commies/ non nazis and collaborateurs

Wont work, I tried. On here your eitehr one side or another, they only deal in extremes it seems.
Its a lefty version of pol or something with a few pol dudes invading and baiting the shit out them. and vice versa.

>>3256311
Advocating look at both sides of the coin and taking an ideology that is known for the effective propaganda with a grain of salt? (this fits both the nazis and the commies)
Alright matey.

>>3256308
I like to talk about raw numbers because they are the only ones that matter. Anecdotal evidence can be misleading. Thanks to statistical data we know that the Soviet occupation was not as bad as the Nazi one, but that doesn't mean they weren't also bad.

My grandma lived in the East and for her the worst ones were not Germans or the Soviets but Ukrainians.

>>3256287
>anything axis
Not really, it's more like hating anything kraut. That includes kommunism too, btw.

>>3256323
I've never found a single "researcher" who didn't try to "look at both sides of the coin" without being one-sided. It usually just ends as pure apologetism of one side and condemnation of the other.

This especially goes for Nazi-Germany apologists, and it's always the same shit with them. We wuz good boys, everyone else around us were evil, we wuz misunderstood.

>>3256325
Even many American historians now acknowledge that the Soviet occupation was just as bad. And it's significant because it's out there it's uncommon. Almost taboo. Stalin was supposed to be lesser evil. Of course Snyder and co rarely find anything new for people who actually had relatives there but it's good that they spread the message. And Norman Davies forgot about him. For a leftist he's a great advocate of equating III Reich and USSR and their policy. But of course it's mainly people who investigate singular cases, study documents (which isn't easy considering Russia denies almost everything) so we have a picture of daily life under occupation. That's how we know it was just as bad.

>>3256340
Being unbiased doesn't mean being dishonest.
Neonazis expect taking their sources into account.

I think the best example of this in work is Che Guevara (because commies and nazis are so alike it doesn't matter). Commies always sperg when some article or video says something bad about him. Does that make the article biased? I'd just call it historically accurate. Being unbiased doesn't mean "Well one side says this but those who disagree say this"

>>3256364
This simple thing is what a lot of people here cant grasp. thank you anon.

>>3255516

Yeah, there was also a Lend-Lease

>>3256364
I mentioned in one of my previous posts but i'll say it again, since you obviously can't read. We DO take first-hand sources from Nazi Germany into account, they aren't ignored because of some jewish commie conspiracy like you fags think. What actually helped us form the view of Nazi Germany we have today are those same accounts and records. Einsatzgruppen reports, reports of camp governors, even first-hand accounts from the big guys like Himmler himself. Everything is catalogued.

But no, you aren't interested in that. You are interested in pushing your own narrative, which ignores actual sources when it's necessary.

>>3256382
I barely read those posts. I came here to fight. But seriously I just went back from /pol/ and as usual there was a thread about the origins of WWII, Hitler's policy towards Jews and fake quotes from Polish politicians who apparently couldn't wait to start a war with Germany, or British government controlled by the Jews and how Hitler only wanted peace and how nazis dindu nothing.
This puts you in a certain mood. Especially since they can't see how their infographics are clearly politicall charged.

>>3256353
I don't know any historians like that. Snyder is definitely not one of them.

>>3256661
Expert on the German occupation but the message is clear and obvious for those who suffered both regimes.

>>3254944
i instantly think of all the slavaboos who post this pic everywhere so i cringe

>>3254944
superior race defeated inferior one

Distant screams from unpunished rape and
murder echoes in the streets, blood is flowing
and the men are mad

>>3256959
what men?
only krauts and mongs were present

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>>3254944
Sheer bliss

>>3254944
i mourn the never ending struggle between humans for control

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>>3254944
It is an astonishing picture, it evokes a lot of feels

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>>3254944
A testament to kraut dastardliness.

>>3254944
Sadness. Defeat. Feels like the end of the world.

>>3254981
>ywn get payed to dress up and act like Stalin all day

>>3254981
Is that Jack Nicholson?

>>3257048
Where did you got my OC? This is quite old, i think i created it in early 2016 when someone posted meme about Yugoslav partisans staging photos.

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>>3257381
Got it from the first Dresden bombohoax thread.

>>3254944
>>3257048
good job, besides the fact it was a mock up done after the fact

>>3255548
Is winter a tactic?

>>3255621
>Given operation barbarossa was retarded because hitler demanded stalingrad to be taken just because of the name.
>Barbarossa
>Stalingrad
go back to school hans

>>3255490
>have fear of bullets
Lol.

>>3254944
I feel why the fuck did we have to lose 27 million people when we fucked up everything 40 years later. It would have been better if we had promptly lost to Germans then.

>>3258451
>It would have been better if we lost all people then.

>>3258517
>germans will piss into our skulls

>>3258517
You fell for muh PLAN OST meme? Sad!