How would you differentiate between a nation and a state?

>>3254905
State: Government, institutions, etc.
Nation: Culture, people, etc.

>>3254905

>>3253662
>THE POLITY IS THE SOCIOPOLITICAL ORDER WITHIN THE NATIONSTATE, CONSTITUTING THE GOVERNMENT, AND ITS INSTITUTIONS; IT IMPARTS ORDER TO THE NATION; IT IS ALSO KNOWN AS “THE STATE”.

>THE NATION IS AN AGGREGATE OF PERSONS; A COLLECTIVE ENTITY OF INDIVIDUALS; ID EST: “THE MASSES”; THE PEOPLE AS SUCH, ALL, OR THE MAJORITY, OF WHOM MAY SHARE A COMMON ORIGIN.

>>3254910
How would you split the United States then?

>>3254910
This

>>3254913
Sometimes a word has several definitions. Thanks to countries like the USA being unable to keep up with their promise of retarded decentralization state is one of such words. In the context of the USA a "state" would be better called a province while the federal government is actually The State.

>>3254910
Exactly this.

>>3254919
You misunderstand my question. Assume that the federal government of the United States is the state. What would qualify as the nation(s) within that container.

>>3254929
Hello?

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>>3254912
>>3254910

The nation is the ethnic group.
The state has the army and collects taxes, and may or may not represent the ethnic group.

>>3254929
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federally_recognized_tribes

>>3254929
The nation in my opinion would be "americans", although others with more knowledge may want to argue that other nations exist inside the USA and/or that the nation is actually anglo-americans including those from both the USA and Canada since they're culturally similar and the main differences exist due to their different States.

>>3254946
>The nation is the ethnic group.

Nope. Nation and ethnicity, are not equivalent.

>>3254929
Slowly but surely the US is developing not only a distinctive culture of its own, bit regionally distinctive cultural groups that will one day most likely be considered nations. The most famous of these are Texans, and southerners generally

>>3254905
>Nation: Language, Race, Religion and Culture.
>State: Government.

>>3254905
State is the aparatus of the government. Nation is the people + church + military + administration.

>>3254913
State is a thing that concerns countries with nationalist beginnings, which is not anglo nations.

>>3254905
Go do your own homework.

>>3254910
This

>>3254905
State - the government and the land it rules. The Bulgarian state, Bulgaria.
Nation - a group of people who share language, culture, history, traditions, and know and agree that they do. The Bulgarian nation, the Macedonian nation, the Turkish-Bulgarian nation, the Gypsy nation.

>>3254905
A nation is an ethnically and culturally united group. A state is a government, basically.

>>3254955
It legally is in Canada. There are race requirements for being part of recognized first nations.

>>3254964
It's temhe contrary. Southeners in general and texans specifically were proto-nations that were aborted, and what we have are some symbolic remnants that have not been erased yet. While state and nation are not the same, modern states tend to erase all nations under their power except for the privileged one.

>>3256357
Not him but that's because "first nations" is an euphemism for "amerindian". In this sense, it's close to how the states in the USA are not states (or, better said, they're a different definition of the word state).

>>3256428
I dont see how that makes my point wrong. Ethnicity is a part of being a nation.