Can we agree that Americans were the bad guys in the Pacific War?

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>>3253505
That was literally the only theatre in which Americans were the good guys.

>>3253516
They really werent tho
Americans literally genocided millions of Japs civilians by purpotedly targeting them in thousands of firebomb raids from 1942 to 1945
Meanwhile, Japs never once bombed an US city

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>>3253505
No, because us Americans won WW2 along with our other allies, and thus, us Americans deserve the right to be called the good guys since we wrote the history. And the winners, who are also good guys, write the history. So before you come on here with your little Jap cartoons sympathizing for losers, you should probably redirect yourself to /pol/ since they seem to worship the losers more often there than the winners here, who of course, as I said before, writes the history.

See what I'm saying here, kiddo? This board is for winners, not losers. So uh, nothin' personell or anything but you're on the wrong board.

>>3253505
Take your weeb shit elsewhere. US had to put a stranglehold on the Japs resources to prevent them from raping and burning unchecked all across the Pacific.

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>>3253525
>What is Nanking?
>What is Unit 731?

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>>3253505

The Japs deserved it.

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>>3253505
Talk shit, get hit.

Simple as that.

>>3253571
Not american

>>3253571
>Nanking
>USA
kek
Also Unit 731 is a very little issue in WW2.

>>3253525
>Meanwhile, Japs never once bombed an US city
What nice guys. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the US being out of range of Japanese bombers.

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>>3253525
>A fire balloon (風船爆弾 fūsen bakudan, lit. "balloon bomb"), or Fu-Go (ふ号[兵器] fugō [heiki], lit. "Code Fu [Weapon]"), was a weapon launched by Japan during World War II. A hydrogen balloon with a load varying from a 15 kg (33 lb) antipersonnel bomb to one 12-kilogram (26 lb) incendiary bomb and four 5 kg (11 lb) incendiary devices attached, it was designed as a cheap weapon intended to make use of the jet stream over the Pacific Ocean and drop bombs on American and Canadian cities, forests, and farmland.
lol

>>3253670
They "bombed" USA with some crappy balloons though.

Strategic bombing was a mistake. Firebombing Tokyo, where you can be sure that the tens of thousands of people you're killing are not able-bodied men ready to serve at the front lines, was horrendous. Allies did extremely disreputable shit during the course of WW2.

Imperial Japan, however, were not only completely careless of human life, they were also cruel about it. They did some fucking awful things to China, and sure they didn't directly commit any mass atrocities at the US, but that's simply because they couldn't, not because they were all moral and shit.

>>3253505
In what way does unchecked aggressive expansion and perpetuation of literal crimes against humanity translate intoJapan being the good guys?
>Japs wuz gud bois, dey dindu nuffin!
It's called Total War, tard-o, look it up.
>implying you can narrow complex international wars into black and white, "Good guys and Bad guys," or the Pacific theater wasn't as close as you can get to that
I know being a contrarian weeb sound cool, you being 12 and all, but the IJA sucked, and was bad. They were completely out of control and did some real bad shit.

Stop shitting up /his/ with your absurd revisionism.

t.weeaboo as fuck

>Invade, steal, massacre, rape, etc across Asia for no reason
>They dindu nuffin!!!!

?

>>3253730
>No reason
They had reasons; muh autarky

>>3253732
*no good reason

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> Americans were the bad guys in the Pacific War
this possessed lizard disagrees

>>3253505
Firebombing and the atomic bombs were horrific.
Japanese conduct in China, the Philippines, and other occupied territories was also horrific.

>>3253865
Japs aren't humans.
Americans never massacred human civilians.

See where this kind of logic ends up?

>>3253719
No one said Japs were the good guys, OP just said that Americans were the bad guys
Japs were, let's say, the okay guys

>>3253730
>Japs invade mainland Asia to free the yellow man from white oppression
>Mostly welcomed as heroes, but few rebels in China cause problems and have to be put down
>Suddenly whitey from America attacks
>Bombs civilians en mass and even go to the point of nuking Japan to get an unconditional surrender and make the country their eternal bitch instead of accepting conditional one
>Murricunts then restore French and British colonization in Asia

And somehow America are the goof guys...

>>3253525
>Japs never once bombed an US city
Yeah, Pearl Harbour never happened

>but muh military base
It was but a part of a US island in which suffered also civilians and buildings.

>>3253941
>in which suffered also civilians and buildings.

Fun fact: the very few civilians (in the dozens) who died at Pearl Harbout died when US anti-aicraft shells fell back on habitations

>>3253901
>Japs rape and pillage their way through mainland Asia for no discernible reason
>Mostly met with lukewarm resentment as conquerors, except for in China where they took advantage of ongoing political instability, made things 100000x worse for the next half century and killed millions
>Suddenly for no apparent reason they attack America out of the blue and instantly regret it
>America mobilizes, breaks Japan's self-destructive imperialist attitude and rebuilds Japan into one of the largest economic powerhouses of the latter half of the 20th century instead of the crappy island junta it was on track to become.
>Other nearby nations get the idea of provoking America so that they can be rebuilt in the same fashion, but accidentally end up winning.

>>3253955
Several were wounded, and one committed suicide after capturing a downed Japanese pilot. I can't be assed to look up the guy's name since I'm in the car but it's pretty neat, worth looking into.

>>3253505

They are the single most genocidal people ever to have tainted the Earth. They have been wrong in everything they have done and when the little people get a chance to strike back, even in a small way like the sir commando

>>3253868
dresden

>>3253525
You are right, Pearl Harbour never happened just like the Holocaust.

>>3253505
That's literally not what that movie's about, at all. It's about Japan's stupid stubbornness during the war.

>>3254244
That was Britain doing the area bombing.

>>3253525
>millions
350,000 actually. Nice try, though. You slant-eyed fuck.

>>3254443
This, the japanese military was more fucking insane than the SS

>>3253571
Unit 731 did nothing wrong and they made massive contributions to modern medicine.
The United States agrees with me :^)

>>3254464
That's not what it's about. It was about Japan stupidly taking on more than they could handle when they attacked the US, and then not realizing their mistake. The kid is stupid and stubborn and ends up getting his sister killed because his aunt hurt his pride.

>>3254476
Im not seeing how its any different. The stubburn people in japan were the military.

>>3254479
It's not about the atrocities the military committed, it's about the fact that they had to get nuked twice before surrendering.

>>3254485
Yeah, thats what I meant. The military was stubburn as fuck. Thats what I was sayin' senpai.

>>3253901
t. Tojo Nobunaga

>>3253505
You know America could have just invaded the home islands killing millions more Japanese and splitting the country in two between America and the USSR just like what happened to Germany.

>>3254663
>and splitting the country in two between America and the USSR just like what happened to Germany.
Yeah, because the Soviets would totally be mounting a successful invasion with that huge fleet they didn't have and the considerable difficulty they had taking the fucking Kurils which had about 1/20th the defenses as even Hokkaido.

>>3253505
Wait so after japan declares war on the US, and bombs pear harbor we were supposed to do what? Surrender?

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>>3253505
We should've never stopped after the second nuke.

>>3254052
>and one committed suicide after capturing a downed Japanese pilot

What?

>>3255285
Fight them without bombing their civilians to death
Your own civilians werent being bombed, so it's not like you even needed to retaliate like that....

>>3253525

>it's a "Axis apologist not knowing what words mean" episode

>>3253700

>only able bodied men who can serve on the front line play any part of a nation's war machine

>>3256465

Please explain how to do so, with 1940s technology.

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talk shit
get hit

>>3256519
By fighting on the battlefield only, and accept a conditional ceasefire once you had defeated them on every island but Japan

You werent entitled to needing to conquer Japan just because they had bombed one of your military bases years ago
Not every war has to be a total war ending with the take over of the enemy country

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>>3253719
>>implying you can narrow complex international wars into black and white, "Good guys and Bad guys,"
>the IJA sucked, and was bad

>>3256548

OK. Can we get the Japanese to agree to this plan too?

>>3256548
>By fighting on the battlefield only, and accept a conditional ceasefire once you had defeated them on every island but Japan

Which means that the war will drag on for YEARS longer, until you have driven them out of
>All of Indonesia
>Burma
>Malaya, (incl. Singapore)
>The Solomon Islands
>Truk
>New Britain
>Those outlying Philippine Islands
>Mainland China.
>The Kurils.
>Korea
>Taiwan
>Vietnam
>Siam

How long do you think that would take? How many civilians, especially in the local areas (You were losing over 100,000 Chinese a month in the later stages of the war) will die because you're afraid to get your hands dirty? What makes their lives worth less than the Japanese ones, who after all, are the enemy?

And if you're not dismantling the government that started this shit, how do you know that this won't happen again after they've had a chance to build up again? After all, Japan rampaged through Asia for about a decade before America got involved, and initially reluctantly at that. They could easily conclude from a limited peace that the U.S. isn't *really* interested in Asia, and they can start kicking over people again.

>>3256582
So what if Japan rampages through China? What reason does the US have to play word police over conflicts that don't involve them in any way? Let the asians sort out the shit in Asia.

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>>3253525
Hi Hiro
You seemed to have gotten a better handle on your English

>>3256589
For starters, you have that treaty friendship and considerable U.S. economic interests in China that goes back to before the war, and in the defense of started the freezing of assets and embargoes that ultimately drives Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor.

Secondly, you do in fact have Pearl Harbor. That makes China a co-belligerent immediately, and then a full ally. And of course, I love how you ignore all those other places that the Japanese overran, several of which are possessions of European powers that are historically quite friendly with the U.S.

But America should just let that slide, let all those people die.

> What reason does the US have to play word police over conflicts that don't involve them in any way?
Are you retarded?

>>3256606
>>What reason does the US have to play word police over conflicts that don't involve them in any way?
>Are you retarded?
No, I was posing a rhetorical question. I am well aware the US is an imperialistic, murderous state of savages with a history that is just as if not more filthy than the regimes it demonises in media.

>>3256616
So, yes, you are retarded. Glad to have that cleared up. I especially like your moral condemnation of the U.S. for actually saving net lives of non-aggressor countries. Really gets the old neurons firing.

>>3256537
noone was following the geneva convention for about 30 years in China by the time Nanking happened.

>>3256631
Because the US totally went in there because their pure virtuous nature couldn't let them tolerate how badly the innocent people of China were being treated. Which is why they totally didn't ally themselves with the same people who fought the Chinese in the Opium Wars.

>>3256566
the japanese would have agreed to a conventional peace in late 1943. The Am*ricans can't get their head around such a ceasefire.

>>3256641
this, americunts didn't give one shit about china, in 45 they didn't bother to interfere in a slaughter that would continue for another 4 years.

>>3256642
[citation needed]

>>3256641
Oh, so now it's the intent of the policymakers that's the important part? Well then, why is the conduct of the war in any way relevant at that point? Fight solely on the battlefield, or bomb civilians, who cares? What's important is about making the Pacific free and safe for all, and that's a good thing, right?

>>3256657
>What's important is about making the Pacific free and safe for all
Which was never the intention of the American Empire, you fucking idiot. Their plan in Asia and now the middle east has always been the same plan of divide and conquer that the post-colonial powers had in Africa.

>>3253525

You're right. It totally was our fault that your industry was mostly based out of home machine shops and small business based in commercial sectors.

>>3253901
>few rebels in china cause problems
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Go back to your anime waifus Tojo

>>3253700
> they didn't directly commit any mass atrocities at the US

They committed mass atrocities against American POWs for sure

>>3256641

>Opium Wars
>80 years before Pearl Harbour

It's another Axis Lives Matter thread.

>>3256660
>Which was never the intention of the American Empire, you fucking idiot
I don't think you know what an "empire" is. You might want to consult a dictionary. What America is is a hegemony. But of course, your rabid Americaphobia probably won't let you admit that the U.S. is anything other than Satan incarnate, so I don't really think there's a point in discussing this with you further. Good day.

>Their plan in Asia and now the middle east has always been the same plan of divide and conquer that the post-colonial powers had in Africa.
uh-huh. You of course have proof for this grand sweeping statement of generational policy, I'm sure.

>>3256729
I guess bullying China is perfectly fine as long as you're part of America's murder-and-conquest circlejerk squad. Dumbass Japs forgot to hand in their application.

>>3256755
http://susannaives.com/wordpress/2012/04/an-american-view-on-the-opium-wars-from-1850-part-i/

>>3256755

>bullying

Jap sympathisers keep saying this about Japan's actions. Are they actually that disingenuous to claim that mass murder, rape, torture, human experimentation with vivisection, use of biological weapons etc etc, is just "bullying", or is it projection based on them being weebs who spent most of school with their head in a toilet?

>>3253505
Ehhh, No.

Japs are the bad guys.

>>3256813
>it's okay when the anglos and russians do it ;)

>>3253505
why does this fucking anime look like it was made in the 1980's
Also, no, OP is retarded

>>3256859
>Grave of the Fireflies (1988)
What did he mean by this?

>>3256910
Oh, I thought some anime came out recently about the bombing of japan? I guess I got it confused.

>>3256856

A complete non answer. No one claims those things were "bullying".

>>3256948
>I get triggered by the specific vernacular of 4chan which employs playful irony when describing things of a darker tone
Why is a newfag like you even posting instead of lurking?

>>3256968
It's literally only Jap sympathisers who post it in Japan dindu nuffin threads.

>>3256974
And what kind of memeterm do you have for the kind of retards who are so historically illiterate they genuinely believe the Americans and their buttbuddies are saintly knights of selfless virtue? Or do you not have one because you're one of those faggots who is perfectly content with bullshit being spewed as long as it conforms to your biases?

>>3256986

>all this sperging over failing to pass off mass slaughter as "bullying"

>>3257016
>still getting triggered by "bullying"
lurk more newfag

>>3256986
Who the fuck said americans were saints?

>>3257027
>keeps posting rants about how everyone but Japan is evil
>I'm the triggered one

Lol

>>3257034
Americans did

The US should've nuked the shit out of Japan. Once all of those Nips are dead, they could've easily have moved in and claimed those islands as a forward base. Nothing would've been lost except for anime and weaboos which is a good thing.

>>3253505
No, but we should all be able to agree that watching a young girl die for an entire movie is not a good use of time.

>>3254469
Name two significant contributions by Unit 731 to modern medicine.

>>3255443
He was an inhabitant of the island of Japanese decent, and attempted to help the Pilot escape. After the Pilot was killed in a struggle with locals, he turned his shotgun on himself rather than be caught and A)Lynched or B)Tried for treason

From what I understand the incident was a big motivator for the set up of the internment camps.

>>3257239
Why the fuck did that dipshit help the Jap pilot out?

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>>3256642
Hahaha, you're so wrong and dumb. Shit man, they tried to fucking kill the Emperor when he decided 2 nukes was enough, you mental fucking pygmie.

>>3256554
*at fighting. They were a disorganized mess. The only thing they did worth a shit was defense in depth.

>>3257247
He was Japanese, 2nd generation. I don't know man, why did Americans of German descent go fight for the Reich?

>>3257260
You just said it; 2nd generation. If it was 1st generation, I might understand a little bit though it doesn't justify it. But if you're 2nd gen Jap-American, you should tell that foreign pilot to back the fuck off and keep his hands up while the authorities arrive.

>>3257279
The authorities were trapped on the main island, the whole ordeal went on for several days. It's called the Niihau incident, here's the Wikipedia page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niihau_incident

It's crazy stuff.

>>3257173
No japan, no 2channel.
No 2channel, no 4Chan.

>fuck, anon might be right

>>3257305
Exactly. Japan has produced nothing of lasting value in human history. If they were wiped out in 1945, somebody else could've easily made the stuff or ideas they did, but most likely better.

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>>3257296
>get shot 3 times
>pick the motherfucker who shot you up over your head and chunk him into a stone wall
>your wife bashes the yellow monkeys head in while you slit his throat
>your assault is so brutal that the other Jap blows his own head off on the spot
Fucking Islanders man.

How retarded does one have to be to shill for imperial japan?

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>>3257350
Highly

>>3253525
>wartime bombing killing 300,000 people over the entire war in a country of millions is "genocide"

>>3257350
I mean, I love anime, but they were never in "the right."

>>3257350
You have to be either incredibly retarded or incredibly japanese

>>3257523
It wouldn't even be genocide, it would just be democide

this seems like the most obvious question ever - Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were two of the most terrible, abusive powers in world history. the Allies resorted to pretty extreme and ethically questionable means to break down morale in two countries where the narrative goes that all citizens were automaton lockstep followers of the regimes.

the more interesting questions here are:
>to what extent were the nukes and bombings in Japan in general justified?
>to what extent is this retroactive justification (i.e. were Japanese people really gonna commit mass suicide on unconditional surrender? why does America push this line if it's not true?)
>was Dresden strategically necessary (i.e. did the breaking down of civilian morale have a transformative impact on the course of the war that outweighed the loss of life there?)

i think there's a lot more gray area in these questions given that immediately after the war and US-led reconstruction of Germany and Japan, they became and remain two of our closest allies. Japan in particular is pretty wild since we were so close with China during WWII and suddenly, for "COMPLETELY UNKNOWN" reasons, once the war ended, Japan became close allies and China started to be viewed with extreme suspicion that continues 'til today

>>3253505
>Grave of the Fireflies was an indictment against the United States
Only dumb liberal westerners think this.

>>3258009
>Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were two of the most terrible, abusive powers in world history
Imagine being this clueless

>>3253505
Yes, they had a chance to make sure that weaboos would never exist and they didn't take it.

I think its interesting how the SS and the imperial japanese army were just as autistic as each other.

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I'll just leave that here

>>3258637
not seeing your point

>>3258051
Everyone thinks Grave of the Fireflies has some great anti war message, but the director has literallly came out and said it was nothing more than a childrens movie about how if you don't respect your elders you'll end up dying alone in a ditch somewhere

[spoiler]but it is really sad and I tear up like a pussy every time[/spoiler]

>>3259272
No one cares about what the director of the film says since the story is adapted from an autobiographic book

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>>3253505
no we can't, that's the dumbest thing i've heard.
>>3253525
ok this is bait, if not bait it's absolutely stupid. The japanese literally started the war with the americans by bombing innocents, they killed countless people in asia and tortured so many prisoners during the war. Their government brainwashed every last japanese to fight to the death and women jumped off cliffs with their kids hoping they can escape defeat because a winning army ALWAYS rapes and tortures the losers right, RIGHT? NO it's the fucking japanese who do that, it's the japanese who throw babies around like basket balls and the winning net is their bayonet, it's the japanese who do vile things to the soldiers they capture and they think this is normal and when americans victoriously would say "dafuk are you doing no i'm not going to rape you and rip your tongue out" the japanese were weirded out by the fact they were not being treated the way they treated others.
>>3253545
what this guy said too

>>3253505
no you gook bastard

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>>3253505
Heт пpимaнки

I hate this fucking board you guys are incapable of viewing history with any kind of nuance or empathy

>side A in a conflict is 100% good and side B is 100% evil ALL THE TIME
>also these sides are singular entities and not collections of individuals

autism

>>3259535
Except several times its been implied, and once outright stated that conflicts are black and white? Did you even bother to read before talking shit?

No, I forgot I was talking to a &humanities faggot, of course you didn't.

>>3256719
and large ammounts of Korean and other asian civilians

>>3256734
kek

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>All these responses to a baitpost

holy fuck guys, really?

>>3256915
it is a goo movie tbqh. all of Miyazaki's films are childhood classics

>>3253732
>muh autarky
>let's rob this land for our industry

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just a reminder that those slant-eyes fucks deserved a fiery incineration, as God sought fit to permit

>>3253901
>>Suddenly whitey from America attacks
>suddenly
i took the b8

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>>3253505

>>3256644

Even though we did?