Nagorno-Kharabakh War

>>3251428
Based Iran supporting its Armenian kinsmen against the vile T*rks and Azerbaijani serfs. And the Russians supporting both sides.

>>3251428
Russians provided weapons to armenia but recently have been trying to warm relations with both of them go get them into their Eurasian Union project.

>>3251428
NK is autonomous oblast within Azeri SSR, with Armenian population, within a traditionally Armenian region (70% at the beginning of the conflict). They vote to declare independence from Azeri SSR, Azerbaijan responds with ethnic cleansing and so the Armenians revolt. Soviet Union collapses and Azerbaijan and Armenia become independent. NKR continues war with support from Armenian diaspora (material and personnel). Turkey amasses troops on Armenia's border and prepares invasion, tying up most of Armenia's military to border defense and making it impossible for them to support NKR. Russia does not want a NATO state to invade one of its former republics and so sends troops to secure Armenian border, allowing Armenia to send troops to NKR. Fighting ends with liberation of Artsakh (NKR and surrounding Armenian populated lands) and a ceasefire still in effect, with a major violation occuring during the 4 Day War in April 2016, initiated by Azerbaijan most likely to stress test their military, play with new toys, and reduce political unrest at home (AZ is a weak dictatorship propped up by oil money, oil prices decline, etc.).

Armenia entered the war with significant material and economic disadvantages as well as an economy in the gutter (an earthquake in 1988 destroyed Armenia's industrial center). Almost no planes, almost no tanks and a few APCs. Azerbaijan on the other hand had more troops, much more armor and an actual air force, as well as a shitload of oil to prop up their economy.
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>>3252288
Despite this, Armenia won. The reasons for this are thought to be twofold:
>When pressed into Soviet military service, Armenians were given combat positions whereas Azeris were usually sent to labor battalions. Therefore, the Armenians in the conflict were much better trained and many had combat experience, including foreign volunteers who had fought in the Lebanese Civil War.
>Artsakh is actually, if not legally, Armenian clay. The Armenians in the conflict were, at a much higher percentage, fighting to defend their homes. The Azeris were fighting to conquer more land. With ethnic cleansing being threatened and acted upon by the Azeri side, the Armenians feared a second genocide. The attitude amongst Armenians and the Armenian diaspora was that if Artsakh was lost, Armenia was over.

The conflict can also be viewed in the context of east-west power struggle. Armenia is backed by Iran (not a fan of their own Azeri independence movement), so Israel backs Azerbaijan (for oil and against Iran). Turkey backs Azerbaijan ("one people, two states") and so Russia backed Armenia slightly more than Azerbaijan (they really just wanted their kids to get along).

Currently, the Artsakh Republic (former NKR) is seeking independence. Azerbaijan wants the territory returned to their control as an autonomous state. Considering the threat of ethnic cleansing that sparked the war and the continued anti-Armenianism in Azerbaijan, Armenians find the latter solution unacceptable. Both sides seek a political end to the conflict, as Armenia would look bad internationally if they invaded Azerbaijan proper and probably couldn't afford to anyway, and Azerbaijan would in the case of an invasion have to face a much much better armed Armenia (including the Iskander missile system, the latest model of the SCUD only operated by three states, Russia, Belarus and Armenia).

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>>3251428
2nd war of Revanchism by jealous Europeans after WWI while the third, Oriental wheel of the WWI genocide continues to get wiped out

I can't wait for the second phase of this confilct. Azerbaijan is no longer the poor, weak, inexperienced, Soviet shithole it was in the 90's. Azerbaijan is now far more richer and stronger thanks to the Oil money it got from Baku and the pipeline and railway it build with Georgia and Turkey. The government for the last 15 years has been spending and building the military from the ground up and training the soldiers with Israeli and Turkish support. Azerbaijan has Turkey and Israel as allies. Who does Armenia have? Russia and Iran are too busy with Syria, Iraq, Ukraine and Yemen to give a damn about an irrelevant region like the Caucasus. Armenia is way more poorer and isolated than Azerbaijan. Armenia also has a declining population thanks to emigration. Azerbaijan's defense spending on it's own amounts to Armenia's entire national budget. Armenia will be crushed and Nagorno-Karabakh will be liberated. Finally then Iran will be Balkanized and turned into just another Middle Eastern U.S/Israeli puppet.

>>3252963
t. Delusional Azerbaijani

Iran and Russia won't let Azerbaijani win.

>>3252963
t. roach
What are the chances Azerbaijan thinks its oil wealth will ensure a victory in the case of another war? I think it's high.

>>3252963
Absolutely delusional. The oil production peaked around 2008-2012 and that's when they just went all out and mounted some attacks with tanks and helicopters, guess what they lost all their equipment again and had dozens dead while Armenia only got injured. Now unsustainable production and Arab-tier wasteful spending are catching up and every year the oil profits get exponentially less and less. Since last year it's all going down. I would say they could have at least saved some in their budget, but in the peak years they spent a disgusting amount of money to build statues in other countries and useless skyscrapers in the capital while the rest of the country is an African shithole.

I don't know why I bother explaining all this about a country that thought human wave attacks uphill through a mountain forest against a literal medieval fortress was a good idea and was the best tactic they could come up with throughout the entire war.

I also can't explain to muslims why outnumbering, outspending, and outclassing your opponent in equipment does not mean a guaranteed victory. A*eris are so bad at maneuvering tanks and armour in that geography that Armenia started with practically no tanks and near the middle had captured a quarter of the enemy's.
Furthermore, the refusal to understand your enemy's culture and motivations results in getting BTFO constantly.
The four Armenian patriarchs came together and literally called a crusade, bringing Armenians from around the world to fight in the war. Some of the best commanders and battalions were from the diaspora. Meanwhile, the roaches called the goddamn muj from Pakistan Afghanistan and Chechnya, including Basayev who had an entire battalion. He was only defeated once in his career, and that was in the NK war by an outnumbered crusader battalion.

Keep dreaming roach, your best hope is that next time Russia also intervenes and stops the Armenians from marching into the capital again.

>>3252986
The Supreme Leader of Iran is an Azerbaijani and Azerbaijan is much more economically important for Russia than Armenia ever was. Also, don't forget that a Turkic person is currently controlling the entire monetary system of Russia, and I don't recall any Armenians who have that much power in Russia right now. I think you are the one who is delusional

Anyone know of any good books on the topic?

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>>3253437
>>The Supreme Leader of Iran is an Azerbaijani
AZAR you stupid t*rk. People from Iranian Azarbaijan are proud Iranians and hate you mongrels wewuzzing Persian culture. Do you not see how dangerous it is to rely on such a powerful ally when they have no interest in helping you? Please tell me the Azerbaijani leadership is not retarded enough to expect help from Iran who has consistently taken Armenia's side on literally every issue.

>>Also, don't forget that a Turkic person is currently controlling the entire monetary system of Russia, and I don't recall any Armenians who have that much power in Russia right now.
Literally who?
You can't be this stupid to know some factoid about a random economic minister being vaguely from central Asian area and not knowing Lavrov, the foreign minister is ethnically Armenian.
Russia also has a base in Armenia, meanwhile pic related, Azerbaijan is getting less useful by the day.

>>3253526
>People from Iranian Azarbaijan are proud Iranians
Not the guy you respond to, but i have never heard this from any `azeris` living in iran, only from farsi iranians who speak on the behalf of azeris. Everyoe is iranian rhetoric.

I think iranian goverment is really pushing this in order to prevent any balkanization of their coutnry

>>3252963

>Azerbaijan is now far more richer and stronger thanks to the Oil money it

Saudi Arabia is now far more richer and stronger thanks to the oil mon-

*laughs in Houthi*

>>3253551
No one in Iran wants to balkanize, the government hates Azerbaijan because they unironically believe in the turan meme and claim parts of Iran.
Iranians are islamic, they are Khomeinist and a theocracy. Azerbaijan is post-socialist and slightly different muslim. Azerbaijan is hostile to Iran and their policies.
Putting aside cultural and historical ties, in realpolitik terms, there's no reason to be against a friendly nation like Armenia, and support a hostile nation like Azerbaijan.

As for the people, it's not my problem you haven't talked to any ethnic minorities from a islamic theocracy. You'll have to do your own research if you don't believe what everyone else is saying.
Iran is not pushing anything because it doesn't have to, there's no threat except Baku constantly tries to stir shit up in Iran with pan-turkist nonsense and propaganda.

Armenia has a thousand times stronger claim to Iranian Azarbaijan but neither the government nor the people push for that bullshit. In fact, the Armenian provinces of Iran include Paytakaran, Nor Shirakan, and Vaspurakan, which was the cradle of Armenian civilization and includes lake Van and Urmia. Vaspurakan was the largest Armenian province after Ararat and was part of the Armenian kingdom from like 500BC to the 14th century.

Since they don't antagonize Iran, they are very friendly with each other. Not being an irredentist piece of shit and subverting Iranian peoples gets Armenia a few benefits.
Just recently, cultural director of Azarbaijan announced they will spend a few million dollars to restore an Armenian church in west Azarbaijan, the St. Thaddeus monastery which was built by the apostle Thaddeus in 68 AD. This would have been a pile of rubble in Turkey or Azerbaijan (see the city of Ani). Look up the cemetery of Julfa, among other ISIS-tier destructions of history in Azerbaijan, and ask yourself if all the Armenian churches and monuments would still be standing in Azabaijan if the people were the same.