East German National Socialism

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>>3251207
They even used Nazi helmets, weapons, and uniforms.

>>3251207
East Germany was basically a Strasserist state.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1CyPjQQTAM

Doesn't look like such a bad place, was it really as bad of an oppressive police state as Western media likes to make it out to be?

>>3251208
Only at the beginning when they had nothing else. After a while they got new stuff.

>>3251233
>Posts literal DDR propaganda footage
Gee I don't know why did so many people try to escape from there?

>>3251239
Because they couldn't see 50 years into the future?

>>3251233
>>3251240
It was a society more inefficient and brainwashed than we can even imagine...

>>3251207
>Was East Germany (DDR) the true successor to Nazi Germany
If by successor you mean "oppressive totalitarian shithole", then yes, yes it was.

>>3251207
> was a Bolshevik puppet state the true heir of The Third Reich?

No. No it was not.

For the people who keep getting hung up on the National "Socialist Workers" Party name, remember that the actual socialist elements in that party were murdered in '34, leaving only the Mystical Racists , Opportunists and Kleptocrats.

>>3251244
>It was a society more inefficient

If inefficiency provides for full-employment and a decent quality of life, is that inherently a bad thing?

>brainwashed

How so? Have you seen modern West Germans? Can't get much worse than that.

>>3251247
>remember that the actual socialist elements in that party were murdered in '34

That was the original national socialist party, though. So it was a successor to the original vision.

My stepmother is from east Germany.
One the one hand she is a brilliant woman, has a phd in maths, physics and russian. She is a professor at an university.
That's the only stuff she says was good about the DDR. The strict ideology and school system.
She loves being in a capitalistic society now, she was the coolest kid at her school due to being the only one with a fancy pen that her father smuggled in.

Sorry for my disastrous english, I just got up and have to work.

>>3251249
Nobody in middle Europe has bad living conditions if he hasn't fucked up completely.
Especially during the economic boom in the 60's and 70's Germany and Austria were safe havens for nearly everyone.

>>3251249
>decent quality of life
It didn't
>full-employment
It is a mark of inefficiency
Inefficiency is the biggest sin to the German nature.

>Have you seen modern West Germans? Can't get much worse than that.
Have you seen modern Russians?

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>>3251207
The German Nation died with Hitler desu, they're in a seemingly permanent state of self abasement ten times worse than post-WWI now and forever. And perhaps that's for the best.

East Germany seems like it was such a happy place to live.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6-pCCU9G8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQIB1vSBYqU

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>>3251207
DDR was basically Nazi Germany minus antisemitism. There was a significant degree of hardcore national pride, family values and ethnic homogenity, something that the Anglos and the Americans completely eradicated in the BRD and replaced it with a culture of self-hate, cuckoldry, drugs, homosexuality, prostitution and mammon worship. It's pretty pathetic that such a nice state is now reduced to lame jokes about LE TRABANT STASI AND NO BANANAS xDDDD

This thread is giving me mixed feelings. Who to believe?

>D-daddy BRD, pls gib me another credit I can't pay for my bills.
>D-daddy Soviet union, pls help me, I can't control my own population, pls send troops.
The state that wasn't funtional.

>>3251297
What the fuck do you want us to prove? That DDR was some kind of continuation of Nazi Germany? No it wasn't, the DDR hated everything about Nazism, they were their class enemies.

Was DDR the same totalitarian shithole as Nazi Germany? Yes, because both commies are nazis are ignorant thugs and retards who must rely on oppression, propaganda and intimidation to achieve whatever autistic goal they have.

>>3251304
>Yes, because both commies are nazis are ignorant thugs and retards who must rely on oppression, propaganda and intimidation to achieve whatever autistic goal they have.

Because neoliberalism doesn't rely on force to get it's way, right?

>>3251305
No you leave, you have an entire board where you can freely admire totalitarian hellholes all you want
>>3251314
I'm sure all those runaways from DDR left it because they were forced to. Oh wait they didn't, they ran away because they wanted to.

>>3251319
How many Turkish immigrants did DDR import as cheap labor?

>>3251323
They imported Vietnamese for this purpuse.

>>3251327
>the guy fiercely defending BRD turns out to be a Turk
Shocking

>>3251259
>It is a mark of inefficiency
Inefficiency is the biggest sin to the German nature.
>what are the german colonies under the german empire
>what was the holocaust
>what was the blitz
>what were wunderwaffen
>what was the invasion of russia
>what was the alliance with japan
>what was the alliance with italy
>what was the naval race
>what was the discrediting of battleships of any kind
>what are proper supply lines
>what are shitty chains of command
>what was stopping at dunkirk

>>3251314
>there is only communism, nazism or neoliberalism
Democracy is an economic idea, not a ideological one.

>>3251342
The third Reich did not follow the German traditions, but was a social revolutionary experiment.
African coloninialism was also a meme.

>/his/ - Nostalgia & Humanities

>>3251348
>Democracy is an economic idea, not a ideological one.
I think you have that backwards.

>>3251363
Fuck, i meant neoliberalism, it's early in the morning.

>>3251327
He never mentioned anything about getting laid though.

>>3251369
Insinuations about a poster's sexual activity is the last refuge of a retard who has lost the argument.

>>3251207
Well that just sounds completely retarded, sorry.

>>3251252
Have to work at Reddit? Cos that's the vibe I got from this post

>>3251422

People who say communism is bad, are Reddit now?

for the amerisharts

your retarded "communists" are not commies, certainly not the USSR type of communists

all of the warsaw pact countries and the USSR itself contained nationalism, cleverly coated with bolshevik context

russian for ussr, romanian, hungarian, czech, german etc for their ethnic state, renaming a country didnt make existing beliefs and centuries long differences vanish

you imagine it as every ppl being oppressed under red internationalism but what actually happened is ppl kept their usual traditions with a red maze, national holidays renamed but kept on the same day

anyway you wont believe me because you lack basic education but whatever

>>3251454
Yeah this. For example under National Communism in Romania the WWII era dictator was actually treated with respect and seen as misunderstood by Ceascescu.

>>3251208
>>3251239
They used helemts designed in the Nazi-period and their uniforms were in the tradition of Germany/Russia, which resembled Nazi uniforms a lot more than Western Uniforms. As for weapons, like West Germany, they never used WW2-Nazi equipment in any kind of quantity, besides pistols. They used Soviet equipment, while German weapons were sent to other countries as military aide.
List of equipment used (it's in German, but there are nice little pictures, so go figure it out):
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Technik_und_Bewaffnung_der_NVA

>>3251207
In terms of being an oppressive shithole it was a good successor to Nazi Germany

>>3251467
>WWII era dictator was actually treated with respect and seen as misunderstood by Ceascescu

This is nonsense, Antonescu was still the "military dictator that lead the country to disaster". Sure, it was toned down from "fascist dictator" of the initial decades.
If you just read Magazin Istoric from the 80s there's no obvious "respect". Maybe Ceausescu admired him in private but there was never anything official.

>>3251454
>all of the warsaw pact countries and the USSR itself contained nationalism,

This is exaggerated and I say this as an Easterner. "Red internationalism" was very much a thing in the 50s and 60s when some of these regimes did try to remove national identity, sometimes by removing the nationalist elites themselves. But after they became more pragmatic and toned it down and even then only a "correct" type of nationalism was allowed only directed against certain countries or groups. And worshiping anti-Soviet/Comminist nationalist figures was obviously banned.


I think this opinion exist because in the past 30 years the media and politics of the West have become so distanced from national identity that even communist regimes seem "nationalist" by comparison.

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>>3251239
Besides the sick pants it's very similar to the feldgrau uniforms of the past

>>3251521
or because you are a middle class child taught to hate anything pre 1990

>>3251482
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Communism_in_Romania#Rehabilitation_of_cultural_figures
>Even fascist Conducător Ion Antonescu was semi-rehabilitated, getting a much gentler treatment than previously, in line with the nationalism and the façade of anti-Sovietism.[7] This was part of a strategy of inserting "great leaders" throughout the Romanian history narrative, to serve Ceaușescu's cult of personality,[8] Antonescu being seen as a "misunderstood patriot" rather than a traitor.[9] This process began with Marin Preda's novel Delirul (1975), continuing with Aurică Simion's Preliminarii politico-diplomatice ale insurecției române din august 1944 (1979), before becoming part of the official ideology in Ilie Ceaușescu's Istoria militară a poporului român, vol 6 (1989).[10]

>>3251525
Look more soviet than anything.

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>>3251454
I wouldn't say that was necessarily true for Russians. Lots of Russian tradition was brutally suppressed by the USSR.

>>3251212
god you faggot, in every thread you can you post some bullshit about Strasser.
Just go on and write your fan fic where he impregnates you. jesus christ fan boy on a stick.


DDR was fucking awful. My DDR relatives said so and I believe them.
Country full of snitches, nobody trusting anyone, Stasi.
>>3251233
Yes, it was.

>>3251582
Killing Orthodox clergy who disagree with government policy IS Russian tradition

>>3251328
And the Ossis went on to the "Vietnamese Klatschen" which just means slapping the shit out of the viets anywhere they saw them.

>>3251586
usually said by ex stasi agents the loudest

>>3251454
Tell that to about 20 million dead russian christians you blueeyed genious.

>>3251593
Well basically anyone was a stasi agent or worked for one etc pp.

It was a giant "Lauschfest" everyone listening to anything anyone said. Couldnt have been fun.
I really liked that the DDR had stuff like their own Hitler Jugend and the likes. Stuff like that is really missing in modern germany.
Boys need to be kept of the streets and be active and learn. Most kids these days just hang around bored with their phones.
A nice little marsch in the woods with camping and grilling after would treat them well.

>>3251540
Nice projection but no. Also that's kind of the point in some way, anti-nationalists in Romania (who would be "liberals" if transplanted in the US) all claim to hate Communism.

>see guys, Communist were nationalist too that's why you must hate nationalism

And i have to add, communism will never work, under any circumstances, just because of the human nature. there is I said it.

>>3251271
>DDR was basically Nazi Germany minus antisemitism.

and minus the sovereignty

>>3251595
>muh christians
you happily give weapons to kill christians, sod off retard

>>3251604
no you have no idea what you are talking about, historically illiterate propaganda eater

>>3251454
>don't true communism

Ok man

>>3251648
>i cant read please shoot me

Ok man

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>>3251648
He means it wasn't as internationalist or Bolshevik like as the uninformed believe.

>>3251634
I do what?

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>>3251692
Your shity commie nationalism is just forced prosoviet culture, but this is ok all this countries were under their influence after all

>>3251251
...suuuuure. enslavement to the USSR was the original plan of a Nationalist party. This doesn't change the fact that the Nazi party constructed by Hitler, Himmler, Hess and Goebbels wasnt Socialist.

>DDR was the good guy!

This is what happens when you hate immigrants more than you hate communism.

National socialism is very different from socialism in one country, you can't just, remove the context from everything and act like that's all there is to it.

>>3252337
Few years back American's learned that "Nazi" came from National Socialist and now they think it's just combination of nationalism and socialism.

>>3251602
>I really liked that the DDR had stuff like their own Hitler Jugend and the likes. Stuff like that is really missing in modern germany.
ever heard about Boy Scouts?

Erich Honecker did nothing wrong.

>>3251906
Goebbels was originally a Strasserfag.

Was there any bigger spaghetti spilling moment in history than Erich Mielke?
>Nov. 13 1989
>Stasi head summoned to speak before Volkskammer (Parliament) to defend his actions and justify why his agency is needed as the GDR moves away from single party Socialism.
>Mielke keeps referring to everyone as "Genossen" (Comrades)
>Gets reminded by chamber member that the GDR is no longer a one party system and so not everyone is his comrade
>Mielke starts screaming how "Everyone is my comrade, I am a humanist, I love everybody!"
>Chamber laughs him off the floor
>Four days later the Stasi gets disbanded, replaced, and Mielke loses his job

>>3254338
So was the Stasi as big and bad as everyone says? Doesn't sound like DDR inhabitants took it very seriously.

>>3254345
The Stasi was bad but towards the end when the SED was losing its exclusive power, and it was becoming clear that the DDR was not going to live much longer, some people stopped caring. Like the Soviet KGB, the Stasi served the party and so when the party began losing its influence, so did its intelligence/security agency.
The Stasi was definitely something to fear if you pissed off the wrong people. The main tactic was fear that they could get to you, doing things like breaking into your home and rearranging the furniture just as a little reminder they knew who you were. Perhaps they weren't as brutal as the Gestapo, but you definitely didn't want them tailing you or knocking on your door.

>>3254338
Didn't the wall come down because someone spaghetti'd a live broadcast interview?

>>3254376
>total destruction of your nation, culture and values vs having your furniture rearranged occasionally

Doesn't sound too bad desu

>>3251271
>LE TRABANT STASI AND NO BANANAS xDDDD
kek

>>3251207
>East German National Socialism

?

YOU MEAN "EAST GERMAN COMMUNISM".

>>3251337
>I never mentioned Turks in the first place
You sure sperged out royally the second they got mentioned.

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Basically, almost all I know about DDR comes from this series.
Was it accurate? (not in the spy-plot, but in the portrayal of the people living beyond the wall)

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>>3254548
and this, of course.
that seems to some kind of nostalgic service for those who lived the regime.
This movie makes it feel like it was bretty good.

>>3254454
I believe the message was that they were soon going to allow travel through the borders with proper checks, but whoever delivered the message said anyone could cross over effective immediately. These words were broadcast as news headlines and so everyone heard them.
Whatever NVA ad Grenztruppen who were watching the wall were suddenly hit by a swarm of people trying to cross over, and West Berliners trying to climb over to help those in the East. No one wanted to be responsible for giving the order to shoot, so nothing was done and eventually the mob began tearing down the wall.
Border crossing were to start the next day anyway but the spontaneous nature of what did happen is amazing.

>>3254473
That may be putting it a little too lightly. The Stasi were not above kidnapping, interrogation, torture, and murder. It was just not as common as
There were plans towards the end to put people into what were pretty Concentration Camps if the DDR started to go into revolt. Mielke was prepared to take that step but realized things were hopeless. As Stasi director he was more concerned with ordering the destruction of all files on citizens, which was prevented by citizens forcing their way into the offices.

>>3254660
>American flag when talking to an European
You sure showed me you parasite

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>>3251207
Lol no. Don't be tempted by oversimplification and dilution of history and politics. It clouds your judgement.
Perhaps the diluting of ideologies you don't follow is less because of their similar superstructure from far away but because they are both enemies of your country, no?

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tfw there is evidence to support the idea that east germany will never be able to catch up to west germany economically

>>3254731
Economy matters fuck all when your lands are crawling with non-German swarthoids.

>>3254738
wow
its almost as if person with communist ties invited them all in

>>3254817
>migrants didn't exist in the BRD prior to 2015
>what are the Turkshit Gastarbeiters in the 50s and 60s

>>3251454
Our commies are the product a bizarre blend of competing CIA and KGP psyops and good old fashioned American political illiteracy.

What weird fucking strategy is going on to get Nazis to like the DDR?

>>3254823
Different situation in its entirety mate.
THink about what you just said. Turks were invited and send by their own government to work here. It was a contract beteween germoney and the roaches.
2015, just hordes of undocumented, coming from who fucking knows, just swarming city centers and doing jackshit.

Its something completly different.

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DDR was pretty cool desu, better than current germany atleast, also mad aesthetics

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>>3255468
I miss when /k/ wasn't just a outpost of /pol/ and we had comfy DDR aesthetic threads

>>3255409
nazis and fascists quickly changed their black/brown shirts for red ones

its a recurring anecdote how the same ppl got beaten up by the same ppl in 45 or 46 during interrogations

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>>3255445

there are 4 000 000 turks in Germany. that is a fact, doesn't matter wether it was "controlled" "legal" or whatever. it was a big big mistake, made possible because of capitalist greed, corporate hunger for for more profit, at the detriment of society.

the BRD was and is an americanized consumerist german-hating prostitute.

>>3255481
This is not true for important leadership positions. All of them had ties to the soviet union or had been part of the german communist party before Hitlel came to power. That the DDR was "a bit like nazi-germany" is a german left wing meme so that they can be openly communist without getting questioned. The fact is that the rhetoric of the SED was the same as the left wingers of today.

>>3252454
>Boy Scouts
The scouting organization is as based as it gets.
>Idea was born from young volunteers who served as scouts and pathfinders in the Boer War
>Teaches you to navigate using a topographic map and compass
>Teaches you to make a temporary shelter in nature
>Teaches you to walk long distances
>Teaches you to make a good fire even when the wood is wet
>Teaches you how to work with knives, axes, tools, ropes and wood
>Teaches you first aid
>Teaches you to love physical work
>Teaches you to be social
>Teaches you responsibility
>Teaches you to respect your elders
>Long treks through nature teach you to love your country
>Great traveling opportunities and fraternizing with foreign scouts
>For older scouts it's comfy drinking and singing with your lads next to a fire
Honestly needs to be
Youth organizations are amazing in general and we need more of them.

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>>3254548
>Was it accurate?
Well I guess kind of, it didn't really portray SBZ-life as much as other media did, but:
it being rare to have a car would be accurate.
Military service having lots of benefits/being respected in society was accurate.
Nudism has always been a big thing in Germany (FKK), in the SBZ it was especially pronounced.
Women had a lot of rights, more and earlier, than in the west (being a single parent who works wasn't really special, abortion was easier, etc.)
When discussing the SBZ it's important to remeber, people still laughed, fucked, loved their children and had real lives just under somewhat different rules. I think it's important to keep that in mind when discussing totalitarian regimes/forms of government we don't "condone". I'm not saying it was better in the SBZ than in the west (alcoholism was rampant, high suicide rates), but people weren't starving and it had the highest standards of living in the WP

>>3255409
poltards jerk off furiously to totalitarian hellholes and DDR happens to be flavour of the month.

>>3255674
not possible with todays culture
>everyone is speshul
>le be an individual! (eventhough you are a little shitter without any idea about the world so we should show you ways of life)
>be inteeeereeeesssting, singing beside he fire LOL, ill rather text janine and trade nudes lel

you need certain discipline and rules otherwise it turns into a shitfest

>>3255870
Works decently. I mean, kids today are bleeding unbearable. Obnoxious, entitled, uncooperative, but they grow into it by the first year of secondary school. Then all the work starts paying off, once they get actual responsibility and start pulling weight. They need a lot more discipline in their younger years, but there isn't much we can do about it.

t. young senior scout

>>3252454
Well yeah, but they hardly existed in west germany these Pfadfinder.
DDR made it mandatory for boys and girls as it should be.

>>3256000
because its voluntary, at least its for daddy, but to make it compulsory, youd have to change the general attitude

As someone who grew up in the DDR the strangest thing to me was how everybody in West Germany focus on holocaust.

It wasn't taught so much for us I think because then the party would have to say like "Yes Nazis were very bad for putting people in camps, just like uncle Jojo and Boris do today"
A lot of easties got in trouble early after unification for not caring about Jew holocaust

>>3256047
Rammstein got into trouble just for doing metal in german.

>>3256040
Nothing needs to be compulsory. I'd just like youth organizations (the scouts are a good example, as I myself am a scout, but I'm not necessarily talking about scouts) to be widespread and popular. Trust me, teaching children to deal with both personal and group responsibility, cooperation and in-group solidarity (and giving them a way to socialize) does wonders for character. These skills are being developed whenever children are assembled into groups and given tasks or responsibilities, something common to youth organizations.

>>3256047
Well because thats natural, thats how ALL other countries dealth with dark pasts.
America wouldnt allow that, or better put Americas bosses didnt allow that. I dont wanna sound antiseitic or anything but :(((jewmerica)))):

>>3256047
Ironically most of the camps were on the Eastern Front also.

>>3256105
Psssst. Dont go too deep into that, last time I did that i got banned for a day.

>>3256117
Are we going to go into "the Holocaust was a Soviet invention" for the 185246853rd time?

>>3256138
No. not exactly. Its just extremly weird that all death camps are situated on the eastern parts.

And that I think that the holocaust is blown out of proportion thanks to after war propaganda, well, I said that plenty of times here and get called a "stormfag" or other weird buzzwords.
Im neither left or right, just realistic.

>>3256159
>No. not exactly. Its just extremly weird that all death camps are situated on the eastern parts
Seeing as the Generalgouvernement was situated on the Eastern parts, what is weird about that?
>And that I think that the holocaust is blown out of proportion thanks to after war propaganda, well, I said that plenty of times here and get called a "stormfag" or other weird buzzwords.
Im neither left or right, just realistic.
Brah, just wait for the eternal holocaust thread and lurk a bit. Hell, I'm pretty sure there is one on right now. No need to turn this thread into yet another of those. There's barely anything being discussed on this board aside from nazi Germany and why Africa didn't develop.

>>3256208
Tell that to the yankees.
Its your little LARPING session nation wide.
You all went completly bonkers over the course of a few years.
Skinnyfat loser vs skinnyfat loser, one right wing one left wing.
But all just larping a history that was never theirs.
Id rather discuss medieval england or renessaince france or even ancient history like sumeria or something but it seems its not possible atm.
tough luck.

>>3256159
It's almost like they wanted to exterminate those situated on the east.

>>3256257
Eh, what?