Why were crusaders so ineffective?

>>3244711
They were pretty sucessful inside Europe. In the balkans and greece and in iberian peninsula they were massive victorious.

>>3244723
Dude white people conquered the entire world, from the english, to the french, from the portuguese, to the dutch and spaniards and then americans.

>>3244754
>Dude white people conquered the entire world
I don't see any wh*Tes here bro.

Your logic is false! You cherry picked the battle where peasants went ahead of the actual army and got lost. Why don't you show the battles and sieges that happened after this battle?

Turks are not good soldiers. Mongols are good soldiers. Turks do nothing in life other than get assimilated by cultures around them and lie to themselves about them being the best. And they keep getting raped by mongols. (Both seljuk and ottoman empires were destroyed by mongols in two different wars)

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

>>3244711
>peasants, women and kids

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>>3244772

>>3244771
see >>3244778

>>3244778
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>>3244711
It's because they drank. Same reason that the Turks were always beating the Austrians. The Turks were sober.

>>3244792
>>3244778

One day, I hope the US abandons Turkey and let the Turks fight the Russians. See how long they can hold Istanbul before it becomes Constantinople.

>>3245558
>The Turks were sober.

Didn't one of the sultans die when he was drunkenly chasing a naked boy around a bathhouse? I find it hard to believe Turks were all sober.

Because the Turk is a superior soldier to wh*tes

http://desuarchive.org/his/thread/2689765/

>From this you will see that it is the patience, self-denial and thrift of the Turkish soldier that enable him to face the most trying circumstances and come safely out of' the dangers that surround him. What a contrast to our men! Christian soldiers on a campaign refuse to put up with their ordinary food, and call for thrushes, becaficos [a small bird esteemed a dainty, as it feeds on figs and grapes], and suchlike dainty dishes! ... It makes me shudder to think of what the result of a struggle between such different systems must be; one of us must prevail and the other be destroyed, at any rate we cannot both exist ]in safety. On their side is the vast wealth of their empire, unimpaired resources, experience and practice in arms, a veteran soldiery, an uninterrupted series of victories, readiness to endure hardships, union, order, discipline, thrift and watchfulness. On ours are found an empty exchequer, luxurious habits, exhausted resources, broken spirits, a raw and insubordinate soldiery, and greedy quarrels; there is no regard for discipline, license runs riot, the men indulge in drunkenness and debauchery, and worst of all, the enemy are accustomed to victory, we to defeat. Can we doubt what the result must be?

t. holy roman ambassador

>>3245818

Western Orientalists thought that Turks were the most beautiful race, but I think we all know how true that impression turned out to be....

>>3244723
>t. Roach

>>3244771
>Turks do nothing in life other than get assimilated by cultures around them and lie to themselves about them being the best. And they keep getting raped by mongols.
Gotta suck being a Truk. They were an "Empire," yet contributed nothing to the world.

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>>3245829
Turks were the most beautiful race. The only mistake they made was being too tolerant of wh*tes and ar*bs and turn the empire into a multicultural shithole. Now Turkey is filled with non-turk genes.

>>3245841

They contributed the art of putting copper buttplugs into the asses of Cypriot boys to prepare them for a long future of fulfilling the unearthly lusts of debauched, liquor-swollen Turkish men.

>>3245735
lmao the butthurt over 500+ year old wars is amazing. That shit was so far back we probably both are related to the same damn soldiers who fought in these battles

>>3245848
bruh for every beautiful Turkish girl theres like 100 beautiful white and Arab women. And please stop warping history to fit into your little modern ideology

>>3245848
Lol thats a gook. Nice "genes"

>>3244771
turks at the time were known as some of the best mercenaries one can get and were employed for hundreds of years by people in the middle-east and east-europe

>>3246288
stop talking shit about my waifu wh*Te boy
>>3245848
that's not related to the topic or what the HRE ambassador meant.

>>3244760
Yet you speak a white people language.

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>>3245818
>Because the Turk is a superior soldier to wh*tes

Hmmmmm

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>>3245848

>>3247642
>Talking about Turks
>Brings up battle between Egyptian land rabble and peasants against a modern army with very likely exaggerated casualties

>>3247505
Fuckin rekt

>>3248264
>against a modern army
>french peasants armed with guns
Pick one

>>3247505
Traces back to proto-slavic and eastern languages.
Checkmate buddy

>>3248278
Actually traces back to Germanic, particularly Ingvaeonic languages.
Checkmate, nigga.
Also, Slavic people are considered part of the "white" race, dumbass.

>>3248301
Germanic traces back to eastern slavic languages too.
>slavs are part of the white race
Nice meme dude. Whites never developed a written language, all their alphabes and languages were burrowed from Greeks, Persians are proto-slavic immigrants.

Why can't this Turkish faggot just fuck off? He's shitting up every board with his forced memes. And by the way, no one finds "wh*Tes" funny. It's as pathetic as /pol/tards who think writing "nigger" makes them funny.

>>3248317
wh*Te meme is not meant to be funny
it indicates that you're subhumans.

>>3248322
But I'm not subhuman, that's a really horrible thing to say. Why can't you be nice?

>>3248333
because i hate wh*Tes

>>3248307
I'm speechless at the retardation I'm seeing from your post. Have my last (You), because I'm not going to have linguistic argument with a retarded troll such as yourself or your Turkish friend.

>>3248322
The only subhuman here is the person that tries to be the new Ikibey but ends up looking like a cheap knockoff version while putting in twice the effort.

>>3248264
>>3248274
It was French infantry with muskets vs Turkish cavalry with sabers and guns
Same technological advancement, but Turks were retarded and charged at squares

>>3248342
I'm not trying to be anyone, i'm proud of what i am, i'm your mother's bull

>>3248317
Honestly, no Turks should be allowed on 4chan.

>>3248349
>Turkish cavalry with Sabres and guns
Lets get one thing straight, there were next to no Turks in this battle nor all of Egypt.
Now we got that cleared out of the way, no. Firearms were scarce among the Egyptians, the few were antiquated Jezzails or pistols carried by small scattered contingents of Mamelukes. The majority of the army was bubonic plague-ridden peasants rooted out of their mudhuts along the nile and have whatever that is in their possession that can be called a weapon
>Turks were retarded and charged squares
Guess what, the french are retarded too and charged squares many times.

>>3248359
So basically you are saying the Turks got beat fair and square in a fair fight.

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>>3248370
kys faggot. You're fucking helpless
I'm out

>>3248379
I win again, I have vanquished the Turk.

>>3248389
i'm not him but i'm still here

Why are Turks basically mongrelised Caucasians with occasional but negligible chink ancestry that got Persianised and larp as sandniggers then go around saying "wh*te" as if that is supposed to mean something?

>>3248695
>wh*Tes in charge of genetics
why are you wh*Tes always so cringy and retarded?

>>3248340
Sounds like a personal problem Mehmet

>>3248727
my personal problem is your mother

>>3248353
>your mom jokes
>>>/4th grade/

>>3248744
I personally like them
so does your mother

>>3248713
>wh*Tes in charge of genetics
We did invent it.

>why are you wh*Tes always so cringy and retarded?
I don't know, my slightly non-white friend. Why don't you tell me why you made this thread?

>>3248751
>wh*Te boy thinks i'm one of his untermensch kind
lel
>Why don't you tell me why you made this thread?
i didn't

>>3248760
>uses untermensch
How very white of you.

>i didn't
If you say so.

BTW, I've known "wh*tes" who have been mistaken for Turks by actual Turks.
>inb4 they were roaches

>>3248817
>BTW, I've known "wh*tes" who have been mistaken for Turks by actual Turks.
then it means they're not wh*Te lmao

>>3248826
>west-european
>not white
Kek

>>3244711

Lack of gunpowder, most likely.

>>3248841
don't care nibba we're talking about phenotypes here not genotypes.

>>3245735
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkTLEOC27-I

>>3245841
Prove it.

>>3245735
we would just behead Russians i guess just like how Chechens did in Grozny

>>3247642
Guess how that turned out in the long run.

>>3247505
Indo-European languages include both European and Indo-Iranian languages. Which makes the language family not exclusive to whites.
>>3248307
What the fuck are you talking about, Persians predates slavs by thousands of year. Iranian tribes were predominant in eastern europe centuries before Slavs lived there. Also, Greeks are white. Nice meme.

>>3245735
Why would Turkey and Russia fight each other? Nobody cares about who controls Instanbul/Constantinople anymore, there are no Christians in the Russian government, just like there are no Muslims in the Turkish government.

>>3248991
Are you retarded.

>>3248874
with the french going on to colonize north africa and the ottomans disntegrating?

>>3248874
Brits had to save retarded Turks

>>3244771
The mongols were hardcore assimilators lmao what you on whitboi?

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>>3249124
yt boy wants you to start the truck

>>3244754
>balkans
>what is late 1300s to early 1900s ottoman occupation of balkans.
Are eurangatuans this delusional?

>>3244711
God was against them

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>>3245848

>>3245449
Yeah, probably the same way casualties fighting the Cathars are "unknown".

>>3244711
Richard the lionheart and his dudes cleaned house, mang. IDK what you're talking about.

They feared the cockroach warrior

>>3244711
Okay, James Portnow may be a sensationalist shithead who thinks the Crusaders had no justification for counter-invading Anatolia and the Holy Land, but he still pretty much has a point about how fucking disorganized and badly trained the People's Crusade was when compared to the Turkish army.

>>3249136
You're aware the Ottomans had been losing ground in the Balkans since Vienna? In the end they couldn't even beat a mob of Serbian and Greek goat farmers with pitchforks.

>>3244711
>people's crusade got fugged
>1st crusade was a massive success
Gee, its almost like t*rks are only good at fighting disorganized mobs

>>3248874
With Western Europe bailing out the Ottomans when they were being btfo by Russia?

>>3248264
Turks lost because their tactics were outdated.

>>3250029
They still held the area from 400 to over 500 years. Thats two times older than the US

>>3244711
>People's crusade
Well there's you're problem, OP, you used a horde of zealous unequipped peasants as your strawman.

>>3245558
But anon, the Turks lost against the Austrians half the time during the Ottoman-Hapsburg wars, and proceeded to lose against the Russians, who were even heavier drinkers, if anything. Even at the height of their power, the Ottomans were viciously harassed by the alcoholics of the Cossack Hetmanate, whose forces even sailed to Constantinople and defeated the Ottoman navy on their way out after sacking several Ports on the Bosporus

>>3248264
OP used the fucking people's crusade, fairness was already thrown out the window.

>>3244711

Seriously though, it was a lack of gunpowder. Before gunpowder, laying siege to ANYTHING took FOREVER.

>>3244771
Nigga the crusaders were kicked out of the holy land by an army of turks.
Also lets not forget how the ottoman empire rekt several crusades in the balkans or how they fucked up the italians and the spaniards at sea till lepanto happened.

>>3248998
No you are he is right russia and turkey have pretty good relations now.
They don't have any reason to fight.

>>3250288
That was during the decline though also the cossacks were genocided at the end as far as I know.

Reading through the Venetian and Portugese conflicts against the Ottomans is really depressing, and even more so the crusader battles against them during the 15th century, notably the Ottoman and Hungarian war where crusader knights were just fucking smashed to pieces by jannisaries and sipahis.

Seriously, after reading this, I fail to see crusaders as anything but wimps now. Their crowning achievement, the siege of Malta, is just but one speck on a mountain of defeats against their arab enemies.

>>3251142

>lepanto

What's hilarious is that the Holy league still lost that war despite that naval victory because their leaders couldnt agree with anything.

I think a major reason why crusader coalitions always get beaten by the turks is because of that very reason. Fuckers always fight amongst themselves

>>3244711
>Walter Sans-Avoir
kek, what a glorious name

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>>3244711
I want to hop on my horse (truck) and kill wh*Tes.

>>3252287
>hide behind walls
>still lose 10.000 men

why are wh*tes so shit?

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>>3244723

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>>3244711
>People's crusade
Why not just shill the children's crusade also? Obvious b8 is obvious

>>3252388
see >>3244778

>>3252380
I didn't know that Weimar Republic or FRG had colonies

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>>3252402
See
>>3252380
>Having to cherrypick victories
This triggers the t*rk

>>3252438
>Invent toys that shoot bullets
>WE WUZ WARRIORZ!!!!!!!!!!
lmaoing at your pathetic race, wh*Tes

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>>3252450
>Roman conquest of Northern Africa
>Alexander's conquest of the whole known world
>Greeks BTFO Persians time and time again
>You are now aware of the performance of the Ottoman Empire in both world wars
>You are now aware of the history of the Africa post colonialism where small amounts of white guerillas consistently BTFO hordes of black people
>t-technological advancement are unfair reeeeeee
>You are now aware of the American conquest of Turkey Japanese

Butthurt t*rk roach wants his empire back huh?

>>3252438
Doesn't change that Europeans lost almost every battle they had against the Ottomans. They couldnt even successfully invade them in WW1 when the Ottoman Empire was at its weakest.

People remember Malta and Vienna because they were rare victories against the Ottomans, not because how strong Europe is.

In hindight though, they were a ragtag bunch of small countries fighting an entire empire with a lot of guns and cannons, I guess I could give them some slack.

>>3252812

And yet no one had successfully destroyed the Ottoman Empire for a whole 600 years of its existence, even despite numerous crusades by the Popes to Deus Vult against them.

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>>3252817
>Doesn't change that Europeans lost almost every battle they had against the Ottomans.
*Until they didn't, unless you forgot about the empire that no longer exists and shits itself at the mere mention of the word "Russia"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_War_of_Independence

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>>3252812
>the Ottoman Empire in both world wars

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>>3252833
>Ottomans stronk!
Roachaboo get out

>>3252839

>unless you forgot about the empire that no longer exists and shits itself at the mere mention of the word "Russia"

The same could be said for all great empires in the past like Spain, China, Mongolia, Persia, Italy and Greece.

>>3252844
Call it whatever you want, it's turkroach land with or without the monarch

>>3252846

Just stating facts, butthurt Slav. Not my fault tiny countries like Hungary and Romania had to face the brunt of aggressive Islamification in the 15th century upwards.

If it werent for the Poles crushing the Ottomans at Vienna, Turkey would be a lot larger today. That said, Europe has had a very bad record fighting against Muslims and horde armies like the Mongols.

>>3252867
>europe has had a very bad record of fighting against muslims
kek, Richard absolutely raped Saladin time after time.

>>3252861
Turkey did literally nothing relevant and was neutral until the very last months of World War 2, when it joined the allies as little more than a formality. I don't know why you would bring it up.

>>3252870

Yes, he did. But after he fucked off, every consequent crusade after that was a failure. Richard couldnt event reclaim Jerusalem. The only crusade that actually met its goal was the first one.

Think about it. Every crusade was an alliance of European nations banding to fight one fucking country and they cant even conquer it properly.

I mean look at every damn battle against the Ottomans. It's a bunch of countries ganging up on some mudslimes with guns, and they still fucking lose most of the time. Look up the crusade of Varna. It was supposed to be a revenge crusade from previous defeats but the crusader fuckers still got their ass kicked like punks. Made even more pathetic when the Sultan himself wanted to make peace already but the crusaders wouldnt have it.

>>3252902

The 9th crusade could be called a success in a way that the Vietnam war was tactical victory for the US due to higher kill counts but like that war, the crusaders had to withdraw anyway since the people back home were sick of sending their loved ones to fight sand niggers.

>>3252867
>Turkey would be a lot larger today
Lmao no, it would've been byzantium 2 slow collapse Boogaloo either way. T*rks can't rule for shit

>>3252902
>banding to fight one fucking country and they cant even conquer it properly
Most of the times they were too busy fighting amonsgt themselves , and in case you forgot, the one time when they actually were unified (1st crusade) they BTFO'd everyone who got in their way

All of this doesnt matter.

The British Empire was and will be the greatest empire of antiquity anyway.

>>3252846
>Be Turk
>Behead Vlad
>Rape Vlad's brother
>Rape Vlad's people
>Years later
>Some balkanrapebaby posts Vlad to prove that it's superior to us
lmao

>>3252812
>Romans
>Greeks
not wh*Te
and anyone can btfo Fersians. Not a big achievement
>You are now aware of the American conquest of Turkey Japanese
Amerimutts are not wh*Te either. They're mutts.
Are you an Amerimutt subhuman? I can't wait any longer to rush Incirlik and behead every amerimutt subhuman there. Just like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam etc.

>>3252978
now i'm off to bed. if any wh*Te boi replies to me i won't be able to answer it for 10-12 hours

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Friendly Reminder.

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>>3250040
>>3245735
>>3252839

Why is everyone hyping up russia again? Russians historically were SHIT soldiers. The only way they could win battles is if by either throwing more bodies at the enemy then they have bullets or if the enemy itself fucks up by attacking in the winter or something.

During the Ottoman empires weakest moment the Russians tried to invade the Balkans and they literally didn't win a single battle. They got humiliated so much that even western europe was mocking them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Olteni%C8%9Ba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Calafat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Silistra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bergmann_Offensive
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Plevna

The only thing Russians had going for them was having a stronger navy then the Ottomans and having an army that was 5 times larger. And even then they only won thanks to the balkan countries rebelling and helping the Russians.

Russian land forces were always absolute shit.

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>>3252978
Why are t*rk roaches such choleric crybabies? Day of the raid soon

>>3253158
>Has to side with the Germans to make sure Russia doesn't retake Constantinople
>Empire collapses anyway
Lmao

>>3253112
>/pol
Talk about redditors.

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>>3253206
Why is this nerd bragging about the first world war anyway? The allies had like twice the manpower and still lost more men.

>>3253237
Because offensives took way more lives than holding trenches. And the Allies held more offensives, exactly because they had more men.

>>3253362
>Because offensives took way more lives than holding trenches
Evidently not

>>3244711
The crusaders were always somewhat successful but the ultimate downfall was petty squabbles between kings and princes. Also politics at home. Meaning some kings were afraid to lead armies to the Holy Lands out of fear of people rebelling or grabbing land.