EUIV

I don't like the mana system being tied into everything

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>>3244669
I prefer ck2 more because it's more fair and playable. Both Eu3 and eu4 were too complicated and I got BTFO in every single game file I started like when I played as Pisa and worked up to declare war on urbino but unexpectedly got destroyed by Bohemia which unexpectedly marched its army across Europe into Italy just to destroy me.

>>3244669
one of the most casual historical grand strategy games ever. it is very accessible to new players relatively speaking, has lots of "legal" exploits regarding the AI and warfare, and once you've played a game in every continent the novelty wears off as unique country ideas aren't enough to create a difference. it does not favor building tall, due to how development mechanics work, and it is very easy to stabilize conquered lands meaning the map just becomes giant blobs of ahistorical color.

that being said, if I wanted something historical an indepth I would probably play something more autistic like vicky or ck2. eu4 is an alright game. the base game isnt' very interesting anymore for me, so I mostly play extended timeline, and maybe someday I'll feel up to trying out MEIOU

>>3244687
lmao, CK2 is a ton more difficult then EU3 or EU4, wtf are you talking about

>>3244691
It was like I was extremely unlucky every time I played Europa universalis. I got crippling rebellions popping up in my provinces even when I was +3 stability and during wartime.

>>3244697
what nation were you playing

>>3244697
wartime does not help your stability anon, war exhaustion gives you more unrest which only goes up during wars.

>>3244706
Played easy start games like Poland or France and some more harder ones like Leinster, I unified Ireland but got destroyed by Scotland+rebels.

>>3244725
do you know how to calm down rebellions?

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>>3244669
run by money grubbing swedes
have fun paying $300 for the full game

>>3244738
in stability and expansion tab, go to the "handle them!" page at the bottom and do what you can, boosting stability and coring provinces helps

My favorite part of the game is uninstall.exe

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>>3244762
>points out swede cucks
>is leaf

Come on man

It seems almost counterintuitive desu, I haven't played much but it's fairly annoying. There really isn't much to do when not at war, with the exception of calming down territories you achieved through war. War is definetly the most fun part of the game, and yet a lot of mechanics exist solely to prevent the player from engaging in too much of it, which in the end is incredibly frustrating because without them it becomes a blobfest and with them you spend most of the game just waiting to spread your culture to conquered territories.

Crusader Kings is a much better game imo because there's a (admittedly small) amount of things you can do that are fun without being war. You can fuck around with other dynasties, hunt for artifacts, accumulate domestic power and reorganize your realm and vassals.

Victoria 2 would be my favorite game for all time if it actually implemented the ideas it tries incorporating. Having a detailed society and economy that I can interact with would be amazing, but I don't feel like it was done very well.

>>3244762
>Buying a Paradox game
Unless you want multiplayer (and there's workarounds for that too) there is really no point. I buy the CKII shit, I'm not paying for anything else

>>3245810
>(and there's workarounds for that too)
Go on...

>>3244690
That big mewmew and taxes mod fixes your complaints, but makes it even slower to run.

>>3246630
The russian Counter Strike hackers forum has an english board that features uploads and cracks for all Paradox games, with DLC, with multiplayer capabilities.

its a great game, i have played over a thousand hours, their fiscal policy is hilarous but thats because they think everyone has a sweden tier salary, it also works for them so why not (i guess theyd be thinking)

>>3244762
Well I bought the game and the crucial dlcs for 50€

Shit. Torrent and then play Victoria 2. Be a real man amongst men.

>>3244762
I play Paradox games for years and i never paid for a single DLC, let a lone game in my life.

>100+ hours
>1000 hours
hmm, life is short

>>3246714
I have about 1000 hours in each Football Manager game.
Life is meaningless, make your own gods. My god is the GOAT regen.

1600 hours and not a single steam achievement, just trying to LARP historically as the nation I play.

Fite me

>>3246744
there are some larping achievements though

I've played Vicky 2 to death, same with DH Kaiserreich, so I've been getting into HOI4 lately. I do enjoy some of the casualised/streamlined design choices, while others only clutter the UI and were "casualised" into some esoteric mess that's somehow more complicated than previous entries' mechanics. I hear HOI4 Kaiserreich is coming into its own, so I'd like to give it a try sometime.

CK2 with HIP, as well as that post-apoc America mod are also great fun. Geheimnisnacht is as well. I just want Elder Kings development to speed up, as active development would give me a reason to stop uninstalling CK2.

EU4 is just boring for some reason. Even Stellaris manages to keep my interest up to a certain point.

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Is there any feeling better than beating England as Scotland? That rush of sensation as you take a far weaker starting position and use careful diplomacy and vulture-like scavenging of Ireland to build a war machine that can go toe to toe with England is top-fucking-tier.

>>3246811
Thats a funny way to spell "ally France and wait".

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>>3246817
Fuck no son. Let me break it down for you.
>1. Blitzkrieg Ireland. Fabricate claims, use vassalization to chain wars, and build spy networks in Irish minors you will soon border to keep warring. You should have Ireland by 1450.
>2. Pillage all of the ducats from each minor. If you manage to drag in Leinster and Tyrone if they don't ally England, that should nab you around 800 ducats total.
>3. DO NOT ALLY FRANCE AT GAME START. They will inevitably call you in on the Surrender of Maine war, meaning you'll probably be England's first target, and France will be war leader, meaning you get jack shit even if you win.
>4. Using all those sweet ass ducats, build at least 10 heavy ships, preferably 15. You also want to ally at the very least Castile, preferably them plus Burgundy, which should be enough to beat England at sea.
>5. Wait until England fights France again around 1460-5ish. They will hopefully ship over their army onto the continent. Declare, defeat their fleet (good luck, England has broken navy ideas which you need like 2-1 superiority to beat) and trap their army in Europe.
>6. Full siege England, and take Northumberland (the one with the fort on your border), Cumbria, Lancashire, Marches (another fort), Gloucestershire, and Hampshire. This steals all of England's forts and cuts them in half with one war.

And now you have been educated, my son.

>>3246824
...I guess I'm off to play Scotland then.

>>3246824
>Here is the plan: beat England's navy

Plan discarded.

>>3246824
you can ally france and avoid the maine wars if you know how to play, you can also use your favours to call in france and togather you can eat england without touching ireland, moreover, you can do both at the same time and start colonizing aswell

>>3246845
>>Here is the plan: wait until you build 15ish heavy ships and bushwhack England with the help of Castile, Burgundy or both
You're still not a naval match for England alone, your goal is to provide enough backup that another country can tip the scales
>>3246850
>favours
I don't have that DLC, I've given all my shekels to Paradox already. Besides, I like subjugating the Irish.

>>3246850
You can also get a war with England if you help Denmark against Sweden, this is generally favorable.

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>>3244669
>tfw have never finished a paradox game because i either get bored or ragequit halfway in or earlier.

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>>3246824
Absolute mad genius
I'd always tried to fight England on land and lose because they have double my force limit and also lol infinite ducats
This might actually work

>>3244669
>turkey is ottomans

Come on guys it has been almost a century.

>>3246856
draft heavies and grab an admiral from burghers, 8 or 9 total will destroy the english fleet. no need to waste all your cash

you can beat them on land anyways if they're fighting france, mil focus and hit them with tech advantage and a good shock leader

>>3244669
EU never caught me, I prefer CK2 and V2 much more

Europeans universalis is boring.
War mechanics in paradox games isn't fun or interesting outside of the Hearth of Irons serie.
Victoria And crusader Kings are Good tho because it has meaningful things to do besides of warmongering

>>3246952
I like EU4 and Vicky II but just don't get CK2. I just load up a game and I have no idea what to do and no clue what is going on.

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>want to learn vicky 2
>too stupid

>>3244762
buy the game, pirate the dlc. the only way to play paradox games

>>3246824
>tfw trying to form ireland is RNG

>>3244676
This is probably the worst thing in the game, it's not that fun when every single event and action is dumbed down to abstract bird points

I wan to roleplay England but its events, decision and whatnots are too many and i dont know much for correct choice historically. So, anyone has a link or whatever that can help?

>>3244669
>nearly 1000 hours on vanilla EUIV
Kill me.

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>>3246976
>play as Feudal lord
>raise money and deploy your marshal to train troops, send your chancellor on diplomatic mission or getting casus belli, treasurer to tax collecting, bishop to convert local populace if needed.
>use casus belli to declare war and gain land.
>repeat until you have large empire/kingdom

>>3246788
>>3246744
Yeah the LARPing achievements are the most fun. I actually kind of ruined an Ethiopia game I was playing by being a stupid achievement hunter and going for Constantinople instead of Delhi.

>>3246811
Beating the Ottomans as Byzantium, with no allies outside of the Balkans.

>>3246856
EU4 without favours isn't worth playing to be honest.
Just ally the biggest country in the block and let it fight your wars for you

>>3247330
>Play EU with favours
>have to spend 40 years doing nothing as a small country.
Nah man without favours you are actually allowed to have fun.

>>3247437
>have to spend 40 years doing nothing as a small country.
or you could ally similar sized nations, who give you 1 favour a year. And you could help them in their wars, so you gain favours even quicker

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>>3244762
>a leaf buys while the swede sells

>>3246857
good point, although sweden will get into trouble with russia and you dont want that war

>>3244669
It's a cool game at first as you're experimenting and getting the hang of it, but once you realise how simple it really is it loses all of it's initial champ.
Plus it has like a bilion of tiny dlcs sold separately making the entire game cost like 300 euro.

>>3247134
lad, when the even pops up the google that decision and educate yourself a little bit, you can pause as much as you want

>>3247555
*charm

>>3247437
>i am shit and dont understand anything
>le have fun meme

liquor simulator awaits

>>3244669
>What is /his/ opinion of EU4?
Somehow Paradox managed to create a strategy game where money doesn't matter, because mana is always gonna run out before every single other resource, effectively bottlenecking you.
Honestly I liked EU3 much better.

>>3247559
my pc is slow and i can pop up and google without closing the game. and i am lazy.

>>3244816

Just kill them with your armies dude, if they're peasants they fall apart

My computer runs too slowly to play these kinds of games as the in game timer goes about 3 or 4 times as slow for me. Are there any similar games that are turn based?

>>3244762
>not pirating it
I know your my countrymen so I should defend you, but your a fucking faggot. I hope you get beaten to death.

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>>3246669
>clicking on any russian page ever

>>3246870
This is the patrician way to play Paradox.

>>3248403
cs.rin.ru my negro.Its clean, you need to make account and latest version of any paradox game is yours.

>>3247639
Then use your phone

>>3246980
Im legit lacking IQ points to play victoria II
Way too many things everywhere

>>3248707
It isnt that hard, if i managed to grasp anybody can. Difference in Victoria is that you dont have things set in stone like in most paradox games, where you collect mana and you do something that you need mana for, but you more or less give direction and hope for the best, especially with regards to economy. For me it is one of the most satisfying paradox games, together with darkest hour.

>>3246811
>>3246824
>>3246824
Fuck off.
t. England player

>>3244669
Its imo too luck and random based.

I load a game and immediately get some complete bullshit event.

I siege a fort 1 with 20k soldiers and 4k artillery and a general with 3 star siege. Siege can take between 30-800 days, completely random and annoying.

allies are fucking retarded and can seriously fuck you up real bad.

connected to that problem it is completely annoying that the guy who gets there first is the one that will conquer the fort or region. oh, youre coming with a 30k army to this fort? too bad my 4k troops were here a day before you, so obviously this is my siege! and then later you cant claim that in the peace talks.

i also dont really understand how the battle system works- but results there are also very inconsistent and random.

all in all fucking annoying how luck and random based it is.

>>3248979
>connected to that problem it is completely annoying that the guy who gets there first is the one that will conquer the fort or region.
Not if you have the DLC. Pay up!

>>3249002
I bought the "Extreme Edition". Thought this was including all DLCs and stuff? Im completely new to this game. Bought it last week and have like 20 hours played.

>>3249029
The DLC in question is "Art of War". If it's enabled in the launcher, it should work. Note that countries that desire a province that they are singing down (i.e have claims or cores on it) will occupy the province for themselves. If they don't, then they'll transfer the province to the war leader (or a human player, maybe). It's frustrating when your war goal is a province that an ally desires. (I only play with Common Sense and Art of War, the two really necessary DLCs, so maybe some other mechanic is in play, I dunno)

>>3244669
What is the absolute comfiest country to play as? My money is on Denmark

>>3249047
well i just looked, the "extreme edition" consits of the base game plus some constantinople soundtrack. No DLCs or extension packs whatsoever. Fuck me.

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>>3249114
>entire strategy boils down to being bros with Norway and Sweden
Agreed, comfy as fuck

>>3247590
The meta has changed. Money matters much more now, especially early on.

>>3246824
My child, why must you do so much to achieve so little?

>start game
>focus mil immediately
>conquer irish minors and steal their ducats while waiting for mil tech 4
>vassalise 1 irish minor
>mil tech 4 hits build to army FL
>hide navy in port and declare war on the english
>mil tech 4 gives .25 tactics and +1 morale and the english starting ruler is garbage so since you rushed mil they wont get it for many more years
>have fun stackwiping anglos with your smaller army, detach 1k stacks and siege out the english while leaving one hunter stack to wipe any new armies they make
> split the land between you and your 1 vassal irish minor to distribute the coring cost
>voila, you have neutralised england in one war, they will never be a threat again

Guaranteed to work 100% of the time

>>3244762
>includes the fucking ebook

I can't get into it. Seems to take too much micromanagement for my liking.

>>3250251
Maybe I'm retarded or unlucky, but I never ever get the stackwipe on Anglos. Plus they generally outnumber me two to one unless they be fighting France or War of the Roses

Any tips to defeat Ottomans as Byzantium?

>>3251082
You need strong allies. If you can get Hungary and Poland (preferably with Lithuania PU'd), you should have enough firepower to crush the Ottomans and retake all of your cores. If you're a cheesy shit or you can't get both of them or Austria allied and get crushed, then restart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVfyM-mknNw

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>play as Granada
>succesfully fleeing from Iberia and conquer some land in North African specifically Maghreb
>Try to stabilizing my kingdom and hope i can retake andalus again in the near future
>Just right in the time 200 years later where my country's been fully stabilized, both portugal and castile come to me with their huge fucktons army as the result for being OP after conquering the New World

>>3251094
Did you win? Usually the AI is retarded at cross-oceanic invasion

>>3251082
star building spy networks in candar and circassia, you can conquer candar before the ottos dow you, then just expand to circassia crimea and build a powerbase big ebough to reclaim your balkan cores. Its hard to get big allies this patch because f the -100 from many relations.

>>3251097
Nah, castilians army were more outnumbered. I was allied with Tunis but that's no help. My whole army (with Tunis counted) was like 50k while Castile and Portugal was like 70k+. Their navies were terrific that i can't even cross the Gibraltar strait. I should be better to defeat them early,because Castile and Portugal went OP after they conquered the New world.

>>3251111
get dip rep, rival mamluks, ally otto, profit

>play Ethiopia
>manage to ally Ottomans

They actively help me conquer land around me, and passively feed my economy by calling me into wars in Europe and then sharing reparations when they make peace.

>>3248979
why would you siege a fort which requires 3k troops with 24k? do you like flushing down manpower in your toilet?

its not random, you are just an idiot who doesnt know the game

>>3246811
Beating another coalition of hungary,austria,poland and lithuania as the ottomans.
Fucking crusading retards should stay put of the balkans.

>>3246811
eradicating ottoshits from europe before 1500 and let have them as prestige farming grounds

>>3251123
>>3251136
mixed signals

>>3246809
It just now occurs to me that HoI4 would probably be a good fit for Kaiserreich as the latter didin't really focus on the operational level warfare stuff. With HoI4 streamlined stuff it might just capture the former's Europa-harem ERP VN feel.

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>>3248970
I'm going to have to play a Finland game in EU3 and get your failed bead-eye country Mongol'd.

>>3251082
none. Byzzie start is so luck dependent these days that it's not even worth it. The removal of the AI bonus diplo spot for players has made it impossible to get decent allies these days.

The only viable strat left is heavy spam, pray Venice likes you, pray you can trap Otto's in negroponte. It's incredibly unreliable

>>3251118
lol, even with my very limited experience i already understood that the percentage you start the siege with is smaller when you have a huge army. so i guess you are the idiot, huh.

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>>3251094
I started a Granada game in EU3. It went like this.

>expect Spain to DoW
>they do
>...on Aragon
>well whatever, I was already prepared to secure myself against them, loans and immediately assembled shock troops bitch
>war goes on
>I siege a multitude of their provinces succesfully while they do fuck-all in Aragon, sieging their provinces one at a time with their 10-15k army
>they sue for peace with the better portion of the Catholic Monarchs
>start coming after me
>at this point I've sieged like 70-80% (or more) of their provinces and know that I can't let them capture them back
>assemble my 1k to one slightly larger stack
>goad them inro coming after me while my troops complete one or two more provinces in Northern Spain
>avoid confrontation while denying the Catholicucks the leisure to take back Toledo/Madrid
>my troops are done sieging
>sue for peace while claiming all the provinces I need to deny Castilians land-access to the southern provinces I have cores in, meaning I just needbto bide my time until they revolt and join my Gre(n)ater All-Under-Heavendalus Empire
>they do, and Castile can't into revolting -> Andalucian Patriots take a huge jihad on their authority as the go-to name in the region
>after signing the peace treaty and rebels flipping the Andalucians provinces back under the sovereignity of the Sultan of Granada, I'm sitting on the entirety of the southern half of Spain
>the best part about this? the whole war with Castile was fought without fighting a single battle

And after that I got bored and haven't resumed that game since.
I don't have them on me now but l will post screenshots later today.

Few questions:

1. How to dismantle HRE? Is it by war and occupy the capital provinces ?

2. How to become both the Emperor of HRE and China? From China is easier or other way round?

>>3251094
>Not rushing adm to get exploration and colonizing Madeira and Azores to start a new kingdom in the Americas

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>>3244669
>Map borders look like a recreation of modern european borders
>Belgium doesn't exist and is just split up and occupied by other powers instead

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In a really old game, as the Pope, I was allied to Spain and Austria. We ended up at war with France, and things were looking hairy, so I excommunicated France. Immediately, England and Portugal declared war on France, and France got BTFO'd. After another war later, Europe ended up looking like this.

Unfortunately, a new patch rolled around right after that, so I stopped playing.

>>3251355
war, occupy the emperors capital and have ALL electors involved in the war (they can be your allies too)

your second question is way too ambitious, ive never blobbed so hard, probably easier to do it with Ming now, since its been significantly buffed

>>3251528
you can patch your game back easily, its a pretty decent feature, so no games have to be sent to the shitter because of a patch

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>>3251532
I know, but it's a pain in the ass to do it and revert back every time I want to play a different playthrough.

Currently waiting on Third Rome to go on sale, to do my first ever Muscovy--> Russia game, after which I might do a West African or native American game because those are more obscure. My most recent game is a Ming campaign where I colonized California and created a network of tributaries in North and Central America.

>>3251550
>35000 money

wew

>>3251553
It's called spamming docks and temples, getting tribute, and doing nothing that could hurt your treasury. No mods, no console commands; I just had an income of between 30 and 60 a month for a period of about 100 years. China's economy in Mandate of Heaven is ludicrously OP.

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>>3246980
I can't even get into EU4, fucking sucks to be brainlet

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>>3251326
Not really, you could just bring cannons to sieges and have the same effect if not greater. Calvary units are completely useless for sieges and you're better off leaving them parked in the territory right next to you to play defense. You also gain siege ability by having a high Army Tradition, as well as certain ideas/country traditions. Sticking 50k troops on anything other than an level 9 fort in Paris, Beijing, or Milan is a waste of manpower.

>>3249187
Congratulations! You are now the proud owner of a Paradox bitch boy game, where we lock essential mechanics behind $20 paywalls.

Also, this is from my most recent ironman. Spain/Castile dun goofed to the point where tribes in Africa are more advanced than them.

>>3251326
you know jack shit, top kek
read the wiki atleast brainlet

>>3251094
Here was my successful Granada -> Andalusia run,
>Conquer Algiers with morocco help
>remove all forts and move capital to africa
>when castile comes, turn the straits of gibraltar into a death trap for their armies, wiping them over and over again using my limited navy as a suicide squadron to cut the crossing
>make the wars super costly and LONG as possible, as Castile is vulnerable to peasants + civil war early game
>eventually surrender just 1 province after a 14 year war due to all battle war score
>watch as Castile with no manpower or cash dies to rebels, more rebels, and Aragon
>invade, win.

>>3251669
Its unfun to play small nations, going tall in EU4 is impossible. If your enemy has 5x your land, they win, regardless of the quality of said land.

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>>3251701
I can understand the sentiment, especially since the major powers will inevitably decide to steamroll you if you just sit around. But I don't think I've ever played as any of the major powers in EU4 and I still have a fair amount of fun blobbing and I'm afraid that things would probably get too easy if I tried to play as France or the Ottomans.

I'm having a bitch of a time forming Italy though since I don't want to piss off the pope and Venice is allied with Austria and Genoa is allied with France.

>>3251550
Benin is kinda fun if you're looking to do a West Africa game. They have some decent Combat/Siege traditions and depending how you get started, you can have the Ivory Coast all on your own by the time whitey shows up.

Also, Castile just discovered how to shoot cannon after the rest of Europe figured it out a century ago. England is pretty much the only major colonizer in this game.

>>3251728
Sometimes its just a case of targeting allies of enemies, so as to avoid the big powers. I think the AI has a bias/habit of giving you a challenge by penning you in, like that.

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>>3251728
>That Tyrone

>>3251728
>Russia actually beat Poland

Whoa. 99% of my games Poland and Ottomans wreck whatever forms in Russia.

Is it weird that after 600 hours in this game I have not once seen the commonwealth form in any of my games?

>>3251767
>>3251771
It's about half-and-half for me; it all depends how well Muscovy does.

>>3251771
What the hell, unless I specifically throw all my weight to prevent this, it always forms, and always wrecks, in every one of my games.

>>3248403
Being this paranoid

>>3251782
For some reason Poland chooses the local noble most of the time and the few times they choose to get the PU over Lithuania, they never attack anybody, in my last game they didn't attack the Teutonic order until 1537. The TO only had Denmark as an ally and Poland could have attacked them with denmark denying the call to arms many times. Also, because they attack so late, Russia forms and kicks their shit in before they can fully take the TO.

>>3244691
wat.
in CK2 you can easily win the entire map if you start as a duke or higher.

in EU i never manage to take spain or france.

>>3244676
Mana is a fucking gay mechanic, it's like they're rubbing it in your face that it's a stupid video gamey meme to help casuals

>>3252036
I think its a reasonable abstraction.

>>3244676
What's the mana system? I play the game, but I've never heard of this. Do you mean monarch points?

Life is shorter than you think :D
I have 4021 hours on Europa Universalis II :D

>>3251701
you can actually do very well as a small nation if you have big allies that can compensate for your lack of manpower.

>>3246980
Dumbshit that game is easy as fuck

>>3252031
Are you retarded? At least in CK 2 rebellions can be an actual threat, If you are having difficulty at actual conquest you are stupid.

>>3248482
>spoonfeeding retards

>>3252174
i usually start with tiny nations in eu4, its 150 years before i have real power, and by then spain france and england are usually enormous.
ck2 has no mechanism to slow your conquest, its just one war after another.

>>3252181
Why are you comparing tiny countries in EU IV to duchies in CK 2? A duchy equivalent in EU IV is a country like Saxony or Brandenburg, a one or two province country in EU is more like an independent count in CK 2. So if you find CK 2 that easy try playing as an independent count instead of a duke in France or the HRE which is honestly easier than starting out as an actual king or emperor.

>>3252190
i made a mistake, i meant i started ck2 as a count. usually in russia or prussia areas.
it has been quite a few years. my bad.

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Don't stress out because you don't fully understand the game mechanics. Not knowing exactly what you are doing is part of the realism.
Plus losing is fun.

>>3244669
INSTITUTIONS
WERE
A
MISTAKE

>>3251094
>start new game with Scotland
>vassal it's some of Ireland.
>England declares war while fighting France.
>take my army to north England
>2 consecutive SLIDERs show up giving me the choice of ruining my economy or getting 12+ noble rebels in my provinces.
>army gets destroyed
>England declares peace with France.

>>3252181
CK2 has coalitions today. Also Conclave made vassal management much more harder. As someone who has 2000+ hours on both I think that CK2 is harder. Also World Conquest in CK2 was never really possible with every religion/culture. Sure world conquest is easy as the Magyars or Mongols when you get a CB that allows you to constantly take large chunks of land.

>>3244669
I'd say paradox games is one of the worst things that has happened to this board. Thanks to their games we have bunch of retards running around and acting like they are experts on history while not having a clue about things like supplies, politics and morale.

I'm more into CKII and Victoria 2, but EU4 is a good entry level Paradox game. I have 800 hours and I'm about done with it though.

Don't buy HOI4, please.

>>3254618
I honestly think it gets a lot of people into the topic though.

It's entry level shit and can be annoying, but it's a start to them being well versed in history later down the line.

>>3244697
Just give them autonomy when you can't deal with them right now, or try to get them to revolt when you can afford to kill them manpower/money wise so they won't fuck up things later. I never really felt like it was necessary to change culture in most provinces, but that would be an option after a rebellion too, I guess

>>3252067
Those bird and paper points, dunno the name. Some people me included hate them because they're an unnecessary addition that didn't exist in EU3 and doesn't bring anything that compensates for breaking suspension of disbelief.

>>3252043
What makes it "reasonable" or even an abstraction? The categories don't even make sense, navies somehow work with bird mana instead of sword mana (or whatever) for example.

>>3244690
>ahistorical color

How can colors be ahistorical wtf?

>>3251487
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncWOIy8wGWA

>>3251696
Their navies didn't beats you?

>>3251669
>Spain/Castile dun goofed to the point where tribes in Africa are more advanced than them

Sounds like Spain irl

EU4 is literally babby's first grand strat. It's not bad but if you can't get a firm grasp on it after 100 hours then you're pretty fucking stupid

>>3244762
It's 300$ if you include all the shit extras like unit packs and music and whatnot, that's what drives up the price. The way they add DLCs is kinda leechy though, especially when you just know that they omit some things in the base game so they can charge for them again later on. Still if you get the game and DLCs during sales the game and the game-affecting DLCs shouldnt be more than 60-70$ roughly, I think

>>3254993
I think he's referring to countries being able to take and hold lands that they would never have been capable of historically. E.G. Blobbing.

>>3251701
top kek, how bad are you

>what is brandenburg-prussia-HRE

>>3255254
>what is brandenburg-prussia-HRE

Large blob nations that you expand to own a couple dozen provinces with?

>>3254167
>I think that CK2 is harder
t. retard who doesn't understand inheritance

>>3255253
Oh, well, coming from this board I imagined he was claiming that color green was ahistorical or something.

>>3255244
At least they've started bundling the graphical DLC with the actual content starting with Monks and Mystics

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>>3244669
>Corsica part of Italy

>>3252085
I liked EUII, if I recon well it has more historical events. I like that stuff.

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>>3244669
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD

>>3244738
Raising autonomy.

>>3246980
The liquor factory meme is true fuckstick

>>3256504
>making separate nations for Egypt and Arabia
>not putting everything under direct rule from Constantinople
boi

Any tips for playing Wallachia?