Is this a historically accurate reproduction of a 15th century

>>3241374
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

no

>>3241374
No, it's more in line with weapons made in the late 3rd century after Aegon's conquest.

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>>3241374
No

Is that a shoop, or has GoT seriously devolved into giant plastic LARP weapons?
I realize GoT has Giants, but that guy would not be able to hold that thing. There's gotta be 200 pounds of steel there

>>3241374
That is cosplay tier, wtf is up with D&D, holy shit.

>>3241649
It's a pretty obvious shop.

progressing the show beyond the books was a mistake

>>3241649
He's been rowing for 3 years straight, he can handle the weight

>>3241708
did they ever explain why the did that? wasn't it popular enough to stretch it out and take as long as possible?

>>3241746
Because everyone knows the books will never be finished anyway, at least they're giving an ending at all

>>3241374
I'm in fucking disbelief. I don't understand it anymore. Is this World of Warcraft? I thought the whole appeal of this story to people was that it was low-magic and light on overtly fantastical elements. WTF is that Harley Quinn shit?

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>>3241374
actual

>>3241746
A retarded ending. Although, to be fair, I stopped watching 40 minutes into S6E1.

>>3241746
>did they ever explain why the did that?
cause the books arent finished

>wasn't it popular enough to stretch it out and take as long as possible?
It got popular using GRRM's material, now that they're writing it themselves it's turned to mediocre script-writing and predictable TV tropes. Characters of importance no longer die and fan service dictates screen time.

It's just going to be CGI battle scenes and Westerosi A-Team shit from here on out.

>>3241759
still comical

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Is this a historically accurate reenactment of medieval combat?

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>>3241759
i can accept this

>>3241836
i can't accept this. Brienne proved herself the greatest swordsman in Westeros by defeating the Hound, who had defeated the Mountain, who had defeated Loras Tyrell. this was completely retarded already.
now Arya, who spent most of her time in Bravos washing dead bodies while her sword was hidden in some rocks easily defeats her. anyone still watching this shit really needs to reevaluate their priorities.

>>3241836
>STR vs DEX

>>3241900
>I cannot accept this
>Posts a picture with anime tier armour and weaponry

>>3241907
it's fantasy, they have dragons and other unrealistic shit. as long as the fantasy elements remain internally consistent i can accept them, outlandish armour and weapons fall within that.

Arya getting stabbed three times in the stomach with a 6 inch knife, falling into a filthy river and then doing parkour the next day was not internally consistent and broke the immersion, for the sake of a cool chase scene. there have been no on screen explanations of how this stuff is possible, and it has not been possible outside of that one scene. they just write "cool" stuff now, how it fits in with the rest of the series has become irrelevant.

>>3241919
Only the 1st season was good anyway, everything after that has been D&D getting progressively more retarded with shit bad poosi and 20 good men

>>3241923
it would be interesting to see how shit the show actually gets, but i had to drop it after i realised that Dany's entourage was made up of 3 eunuch men, a dwarf man, and a bunch of strong women who she had conversations with about how stupid men were and how great women were. and they have an entire army of eunuchs of course.

i had no reason to be watching a show that gave me the shits that much anymore, Tywin and Stannis were dead and all the surviving characters were so poorly written it may as well be a fanfic.

>>3241934
The first episode this year included over 5 minutes of footage of Sam cleaning up poo from bedpans, I think it was the perfect representation of the show

>>3241941
it felt like 10. they could have included something interesting from one of his classes but nah fuck that a montage of him wrist deep in shit and shitty soup is a more worthwhile way to spend the very limited amount of time they have this season.

and then there's how retarded Jorah's cure was. this is one of the most dangerous plagues in the entire world and all you have to do is cut that shit off? Sam isn't even infected after all that? i don't understand why they're deliberately writing such nonsensical shlock, it's as if they're putting effort into their incompetence.

>>3241950
I like how important Randyl Tarly turned out to be, never tries to get Heartsbane back (doesn't even seem to notice it's gone), and dies after one battle he didn't even appear in, very important he was around though so Highgarden could be taken off screen

>>3241934
>Tywin and Stannis were dead
>the best white characters
>all the surviving characters
>all the surviving non-white cast
ftfy racist

>>3241907
It could pass for tournament armour.

>>3241956
i wouldnt be surprised if Sam never even mentions Heartsbane again, just another dropped plot.

why keep watching the show anon? there's no reason but all the complaining you get to do, which admittedly is fun but is ultimately pointless. 90% of the people watching the show think it's genius and all it does is raise my blood pressure.

>>3241978
>best characters happen to be old white men
>pure coincidence
it's not my fault m8

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>>3242013
>why keep watching the show anon?
Because I've lost control of my life, and /got/ memes

>>3242027
how was the last episode anyway? i might watch it so i can go bitch about it on /tv/

>>3242037
The Davos parts are alright

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>>3241836
GOT Water Dancing is basically Wuxia + Rapier/smallsword.

GoT's stunt crew pretty much asigned some of the exotic Essos stuff Chinese Martial Arts. Like Oberyn's fighting-pit spear movements.

Unsullied do meme HEMA spear and shield though.

>>3242056
The only martial art the Unsullied have displayed is losing to dagger wielding rich kids

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got past season 3 was a mistake

>>3242059
Fuck killing Barry Selmy. Still havent gotten over that.

>>3241900
The Hound had an infected wound and didn't really beat The Mountain, the King called off the fight

>>3242097
i exaggerated for comedic effect

but the fight between Brienne and the Hound didn't bring the infected wound or Valyrian steel sword into it at all. they clearly wanted to represent her as the superior fighter, which they've done throughout the series.

>>3242124
Well at least she's like 7 feet tall, not a meme like Arya

>>3242141
she's no taller than the Hound, who would be vastly stronger than her. the show (and books really) just have too much feminist bullshit in them for me.

>>3241374
kekekek
downloaded the episode this morning, not bad
but the hammer is shooped. but not by much, but youll see when you watch the episode

>>3241374
I can't bring myself to watch this show anymore. Every season after 2 it gets worse and worse.

>>3242079
This. There was literally no reason.

The fencing, historical combat and historical weapons are among the worst unrealistic fantasy shit ever. Otherwise a nice show.

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>>3242064
Never fucking understood the hate stannis received from them.

>>3242547
Why is realism such a good thing exactly?

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>>3242621
Ruling is hard. This was maybe my answer to Tolkien, whom, as much as I admire him, I do quibble with. Lord of the Rings had a very medieval philosophy: that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper. We look at real history and it’s not that simple. Tolkien can say that Aragorn became king and reigned for a hundred years, and he was wise and good. But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?

>>3241649
GoT has always had shit designs when it came to arms and armour.

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>>3242621
Because if you are spending already big money on production, why not make it at least look a little realistic.
Like you could make the weapons look less retarded and more functional whilst easily keeping them functional. Pic related.
As for the stage fighting, decades ago stage fighting was an art, actors would take fencing and riding lessons, sure it was stage fighting, but it was good one. got is just awful in that regard. It somewhat kills the atmosphere when somebody is about to die and they fight like clowns.
some positive examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBTFfHJjV8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn36Pb8z3yI

>>3242621
>Why is realism such a good thing exactly?
It makes the experience more compelling because when you see something that clashes with reasonable expectations it immediately makes you realise that you're watching actors in costumes playing pretend rather than a rendition of something that could happen under the given circumstances.

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>>3242657
>keeping them fantasy.
is what i meant, sorry.

>>3242657
>>3242668
Honestly, I suspect that if realism was the prime motivator for medieval fantasy series and movies, people would actually think it was boring.

Just a hunch.

>>3241836
>implying you should ever keep your sword behind your back

>>3242672
totally looks like a legit weapon

probably built a few years ago to scam tourists

>>3242731
Then don't make it the prime motivator but avoid retarded shit?

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>>3242731
Not as the prime motivator, but if you spend the cash anyways why not ask the props guy to make a hammer that looks a little less comic style?

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>>3242781

>>3242731
It's a balancing act

Too much "realism" would turn the show into a bunch of old men going to meetings and young men doing tedious shit over and over again with the occasional moment of sheer terror.

Too little "realism" kills the immersion for anyone in the know. When they see a tv show speak authoritatively about a subject they're clearly ignorant about, you're asking people to willfully suspend disbelief, and a large number of people have a very low tolerance for suspending disbelief

>>3241836

The only character in the show who fights like a Medieval European knight actually would is The Hound. Maybe Bronn, discounting him throwing blades and shit.

The rest is crap.

>>3241836
Brienne should be able to crush through those blocks and cleave Arya into a fucking pile. As with fistfighting and wrestling, the bigger swordsman has the advantage.

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>>3242766
It is a legit 19th century Indian Zaghnal.

>>3241649
>There's gotta be 200 pounds of steel there
Steel is much lighter than you're giving it credit for.

For instance, a 20 pound sword, if it's of average 15th century width and thickness, would be about 50 feet long. http://www.truefork.org/DragonPreservationSociety/Swordheavy.php

While granted, something of that hammer's dimensions would be way too unwieldy for a human to actually use, holding it up wouldn't be that much of a problem.

>>3242825
>The only character in the show who fights like a Medieval European knight actually would is The Hound. Maybe Bronn, discounting him throwing blades and shit.
They re not even close to realistic fighting, they just swing at each other like idiots with swords that seem to weight 12 pounds.
Most retarded thing, nobody seems to keep his helmet on, never mind just the most important piece of armor you got.
You have to give Rory McCann credit though, he knows how to split wood, the sept scene where you see him working is genuine.

>>3242731
>if realism was the prime motivator for medieval fantasy series and movies, people would actually think it was boring.
Why would it be boring? It would look less retarded and most people can't tell the difference anyway.

It's a fantasy show, these constant threads about how historically accurate it is are quite exceptionally autistic.

>>3242500
There reasoning is simple, they have no fucking idea how to resolve these character's, and likewise how to continue their relevence to the plot, so they just kill them because 'this is a show where no character is safe XD'
Same reason they killed Stannis. Same reason they killed the fucking Martels, and the same reason they killed off half the fucking cast of the show at the end of last season.
D&D are amongst some of the worst writers I have ever seen. It's really that simple.

>>3241900
>Arya, who spent most of her time in Bravos undergoing elite assassin training.
Fixed it for you. I know some people have a hard time accepting a girl as a remorseless professional killer but fantasy works have been exploring this trope for decades now, and even Tolkien himself touched on it.

I think it's plausible that someone like Brienne who is a stand up and fight bad ass would find herself out-footworked by someone who goes right for the weak spot. If Arya was a "real" assassin she'd be a great deal less interesting, just someone who could pass as a normal shlub while mostly working in poisons and other untraceable means of killing people. At a certain point realism has to take a back seat to narrative interest.

>>3242859
It doesn't help with the story that their "big fight" is some of the worst stage fighting ever and makes absolutely no sense. Like it is not credible at all.

>>3241900

Well to be fair, most of Arya's hits would have done nothing to Brienne. That sword was made for stabbing and not for cutting and all those hits were cuts. Even your clothes could have stopped the damage.

The only thing weird to me is that Brienne went all out with her swings, aiming for the head multiple times. A single connection would have killed or severaly injured a fully grown man, how could she have known she became a Faceless assassin that was ready for a no holds barred sparring session?

>>3241374
>muh realism
>>>/v/

>>3242834
19th century?

So they used warhammers in the 19th century?

Looks like a ceremonial weapon to me.

>>3242894
>stage fighting
This is true, but you just get a better effect with dynamic camera angles and presentation rather than just filming two specialized stuntmen showing off their technical finesse. I can see how people who do a lot of training with those weapons could find reasons to nitpick but as someone with a "normies' eye view" of the weapon work, all that scene made me do is realize that Arya is no longer a punk ass little shit, but someone you wouldn't trifle with. I recognize in the abstract that it's not particularly realistic, but it is consistent with the overall logic of the show and it drives home a character's development over the course of the show, and those are reasons enough for me to suspend disbelief

>>3241374
when I first saw him in the episode I thought he was Christian Bale for a couple of seconds

>>3241649
It's like half the size in the non-shopped version

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>>3242936
Yes, Indians used traditional weapons in the 1800's, courtesy of not being industrialized yet.
Also, Indian weapons often have weird designs and intricate decorations.

>>3242952
Like they are working at this for 7 years now, right? 2 lessons a week and they could fight real hardcore.

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>weird designs and intricate decorations.

Honestly, I love a good fantastic story, but movie props that look like larp shit turn me off, also, well researched historic details and settings help a lot to get along with getting lost in it.
Reason why I prefer Neal Stephenson to George R. R. Martin, I seriously hope they bring the Baroque cycle on screen and don't fuck it up with the details.

>>3241900
>nyone still watching this shit really needs to reevaluate their priorities.

I just want closure :(

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>>3241374
>Is this a historically accurate reproduction of a 15th century dragon?

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>>3241900
>anyone still watching this shit really needs to reevaluate their priorities.

>>3243132
That's a wyvern.

>>3242952
Even people unversed in fencing can tell that this scene is retarded. It's like watching Mike Tyson getting his ass kicked by Mark Zuckerberg.

>>3243148
Is there any evidence for a mythological distinction? Only seems to be a specificity with regards to British heraldry.

>>3243148
I hate when they're confused. Dragons have four legs and two wings, wyverns have two legs and two wings

>>3243165
Does Zuckerberg have magic superpowers obtained from training for years with a guild of superassassins?

>>3243185
How else do you think facebook beat out it's competitors?

>>3242631
There's literally nothing wrong with this.

>>3243259
There is when

A) Tolkien actually put notes about this in his own stuff, albeit unpublished stuff.

B) GRRM does no better with his own work.

Tolkien can at least claim that this isn't the type of story he wanted to write, and GRRM can claim that it's not criticism, it's explanation as to how Tolkien wanted to write mythology, and GRRM is writing machiavellian fantasy political intrigue. But it comes off as just incredibly ham-fisted, when we really have very little idea as to things like economic and tax policy in ASOIF, despite it supposedly focusing on these kinds of things.

>>3242594
>vaguely religious if you misinterpret him
>represents order and self-discipline
>serious
>middle aged white male

Too much stuff that prevents him from being fashionable.

>>3241661

No.

>>3243177
In spanish or at least aragonese heraldry the wyvern is specifically a dragon.

>>3243269
There's an awful lot of stuff about the intricacies of ruling, including some tax policies. Also tax policy was only one of things he mentioned in the list neither he or anyone else said that was the main focus.

>>3242837
The problem with your statement is that swords are really thin in comparison to the solid chunk of steal that a warhammer has. A solid chunk of steel is very heavy.

>>3243307
that that warhammer has*. Real warhammers were basically carpenter's hammers on reinforced poles.

>>3243305
>There's an awful lot of stuff about the intricacies of ruling, including some tax policies
There's a lot of vagueness about how Tywin is good with money, Robert is bad with it (but not much on the details of either), and of course what Daenerys gets up to. But we've never seen a tarrif policy, or a public works policy, or an explanation as to why there are so few bridges in the Riverlands.

>Also tax policy was only one of things he mentioned in the list neither he or anyone else said that was the main focus.
All of the other stuff is quite literally criticism/questioning of Tolkien to which you can see the answers to in HoME, volume 12, The Peoples of Middle-Earth, Sauron Defeated. We do in fact know how Aragorn taxed people (essentially a land tax), that he did not keep a standing army outside of a very small force of retainers supplemented by feudal levies in times of crises, relied upon said feudal nobility, most prominently Imrahil and Faramir to get stuff done, and did not embark on a genocidal campaign, but he did vigorously enforce the borders.


>>3243307
Hmm, you're right, I did the math, and I overlooked just how thick that hammer is. Here's my reasoning: Joe Dempsie, who plays Gendry, is 5'10. If he's proportioned like a normal human, that head is around 1/7.5-1/8 of his overall height.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_proportions

So we're talking a Gendry head of about 9-10 inches. So we've got a hammer that's about 30 inches long, and 20 from top to bottom. Thickness is not particularly uniform, but say the head is 1 human head and the spike is about half a human head? We're talking an overall volume of 6,000 cubic inches tops, and possibly less. That works out to about 0.098 cubic meters, with 7,850 kg to a cubic meter, means it weighs 769.3 kilograms. Even accounting for the spike that shaves off a good portion, you're still not keeping it under a thousand pounds. I stand corrected.

>>3243001
>>3242672

So are you meant to smash people with the flat/elephant side and flip it around if you need to scythe someone with the bladed side?

>>3242037
One of the best of the last two seasons.

>>3243347
Tywin isn't especially good with money, he just has a lot of it and it is explained why, his gold mine. It is explained why Robert is so bad with money, he keeps holding expensive tourneys and left the finances in the care of Littlefinger who kept appeasing Robert by borrowing more and was also in the business of enriching himself.

When Tyrion is Hand of the King he puts a tax on prostitution.

>>3242631
>But Tolkien doesn’t ask the question: What was Aragorn’s tax policy? Did he maintain a standing army? What did he do in times of flood and famine? And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?

Because the story had ended? You literally asking Tolkien why he didn't tell us about things that aren't part of the fucking story. It's "The Lord of the Rings", not "The story of King Aragorn".

>>3243347
>no cities in the stormlands because muh martial tradition
>keynesian economics by Littlefinger, when there is no central monetary policy and more money can't simply be printed and bonds bought back
>no heavy industries anywhere, no ironworks or textile mills, no sources of coal
>no one invests in scientific research, even the maesters are a bunch of talentless hacks who can't into scientific method, tech stagnant for at least several hundred years
>mines that have been worked for thousands of years are still productive
>you have peasants and villagers being used in battle like modern day conscription when the infrastructure and technology to support a national conscript army isn't there
>the Vale somehow didn't become a land of raiding Vikings despite being geographically predispositioned to
>the Iron Throne somehow maintains a standing navy, which is rather costly for a decentralized feudal empire
>the Reach has not zerg rushed everyone else despite being rich and powerful enough to do so

And I could go on and on.

>>3242952

>He willfully swallows hollywood semen

>>3243185

If this character has "magic superpowers obtained from training for years with a guild of superassassins", then how come she can't even hold her sword and looks like a clown even to the untrained eye?

>>3243461
What do you know about how magic superassassins fight?

>>3243468

good anon, they fight good. Not like a retard.

>>3243473
It's trickery to make you underestimate their powers.

>>3243468
In the books they aren't even that super skilled in combat. They are good at deception, diversion, and making poison as you'd expect an assassin would but no duels as of yet.

>>3243476

Feel free to go to such lengths to justify watching retarded shit, but as far as I'm concerned it makes you a rather pathetic simpleton.

>>3242631
This really highlights GRRM inability to understand fantasy or mythology.
Does he ask what Odysseus' tax policy was?

>>3243482
I'm laughing at this autism.

>>3243493

ok, enjoy swallowing the hollywood cock of mediocrity.

ITT: Braindead people who can't distinguish between historical reality, and a tv show based on fiction.

>>3243528
>"what was Aragon's tax policy?"
>own story devolves into a little girl defeating a giant dyke

>>3243549
He doesn't write the show.

>>3243528

>A story having fantasy elements means that NO FORM OF REALISM WHATSOEVER is necessary.

That's why Lord of the Rings would be better if at the end space aliens show up with laser turrets and just shoot Sauron in the face. It wouldn't be weird or unrealistic because dragons!

>>3243576

He does

>>3243589
Not anymore

>>3243589
He's written four episodes in total, the last one of which was three seasons ago, nor is he in charge of what happens in the show.

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>>3243549
They also used live steel in a sparing match, even though other sparing matches in the show made a point to mention they had to use sparing swords
The showrunners don't care, anon

can you gotfuckers go the fuck back to /tv/? this is a serious board.

Thanks.

>>3243643
These threads have nothing to do with people from /tv/ coming here to discuss tv shows and everything to do with OPs of them realising that if they pretend a fantasy show is supposed to be a realistic depiction of Medieval Europe they will get lots of autistic responses.

>>3243658

>fantasy elements means gravity no longer exists

>>3243726
That could explain how the hammer even remotely makes sense.

>>3241374
looks way too small

>>3242856
Internal logic is a thing. Having people break it just ruins the immersion.

>>3243658
ok

can you go now please?

>>3243745

No.

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>>3243178
That's a modern distinction. Historically, people weren't certain what dragons looked like.

There are plenty of paintings from the middle ages with dragons depicted as what in D&D terms would be wyverns.

>>3243148
Shut the fuck up

>>3243643
I'll take 5 /got/ threads over another "humanities" thread thanks

>>3242766
>What is a war pick

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseman%27s_pick

>>3243454
Not an argument

>>3242013
>best characters happen to be old white men
I agree they were the better actors, but i see the show as escapist entertainment and it still fits that bill, good actors or no

>>3243658
it stimulates debate

>>3242594
Because he's literally the stereotypical fantasy antagonist presented from a more sympathetic point of view:
>stern younger brother of the beloved monarch
>feels slighted for being ignored by said monarch
>lives on an island with a Gothic castle and giant statues of dragons that's plagued by storms
>allies with a witch who promises to grant him his birthright
>converts to a cult of pyromaniacs who use blood magic
>content with the witch murdering his brother with the power of blood-sex-shadow magic
>will burn anyone alive, including family, if it gives him better odds in the war
It's incredibly easy to portray him as a villain, so that's what D&D did.

If you don't want to fuck a woman with big titties you're literally a failure as a man.

>>3245756
Except that "converts to a cult of pyromaniacs who use blood magic" and "will burn anyone alive, including family, if it gives him better odds in the war" were invented by D&D and the rest shouldn't be villanous by themselves if not actively shown as that. Renly deserved to die.

man i get why people dig stannis but the entire books and show he has 0 likable people in his court beside davos

>>3242037
Pretty pointless.
>Lets sail from dragonstone to king's landing
>Lets sail from king's landing back to dragonstone
>Lets sail from dragonstone to the wall

Also Arya's a cunt and Sam gave up on being a maester because he's a fat bitch

>>3242631
>Muh tax policy
>Never goes into depth on tax policies
>Creates a world where houses rule for thousands of years but still have no cousins

>>3245787
He also has 0 relevant people in his court besides Davos and Melisandre.

>>3241900

I watch it because its a fun kinda trainwreckish type thing. And the theories are fun and I spend time with family watching it.

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>>3243393
Don't think about it as a bladed side or about scything.

Think of it as the SPIKY side with a heavy weight behind it that will punch through your armor and hook onto you.

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>>3241374
i mean that is a shoop but the hammer size is still incredibly large in comparison to a real life one

>>3242859
>Fixed it for you. I know some people have a hard time accepting a girl as a remorseless professional killer but fantasy works have been exploring this trope for decades now, and even Tolkien himself touched on it.
She spent like a month in Bravos and had almost no combat training. Stop with the muyh sexhsum narrative.

>>3241900
>Brienne proved herself the greatest swordsman in Westeros by defeating the Hound, who had defeated the Mountain, who had defeated Loras Tyrell. this was completely retarded already.

Sokoudjou proved himself the greatest martial artist in the world by defeating MAtt Hamill, who had defeated Jon Jones.

>>3241374
How realistic is this fight?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljExTEPNFnM

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>>3242631
Why is Martin so Pretentious? Is he really unable to understand Fantasy or Mythology?

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>>3241377
calm down buddy

>>3243178
this is some man child bullshit about creature that never existed and that don't follow any rules...

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>>3246819
It is exaggerated for dramatic reasons, but it is world class stage fencing. You can see that both actors are really good fencers, very fast, very precise. Back in the day, stage fencing was taught at actors schools and those guys had years of training.
Here is saber non stage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5w2Mh6CyXo

got is just to cheap to hire a real fencing teacher. Irony, they had a leading long sword instructor as part of their cast.

>>3242907
That is what I was thinking about. Even the very first strike would've split Arya's head in two.

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>>3246933

>>3245786
1. Renly was his kin. Relative to Westerosi morality this is a very big deal.
2. Renly had more popular support. Relative to our own western morality this is a very big deal.

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In historic times, would a noble lady of high birth ever start a romantic affair with a low born pagan?

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>>3241836
All the posing, pointles spinning of the sword and holding it behind her back look completely retarded.

>CIA is going to die next week

>>3246305
I aprox. 25-30kg weight of the hammer. Considering Robert was abnormally strong, and so would his son Gendry be, it's not THAT far fetched.

>>3247302
>it's not THAT far fetched.
>just 10-20 times the weight of a real war hammer

>>3247343
Around 8 times heavier, but i can imagine a 10kg hammer wielded IRL by a very strong dude, so a x3 weight for a fantasy flick, doesn't bother me. And for all we know, it might be hollow with an internal structure, bringing it's weight down considerably. All's i'm saying is, there have been many worse things in GoT than the hammer. Doesn't mean i'm not having a blast watching the show.

>>3247366

People with your level of stupidity is why Hollywood makes such bad movies and TV

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>>3241836

>>3247377
Roight, and mongoloids like you that want to watch uber realism on TV would enjoy watching 3 months of marching, digging shitting holes, carrying wheat for 10 hours, and 20 8hr sessions of tax discussions instead of fun stuff. Why don't you crawl back to your autismo blanket.

>>3242859
An assassin should be disadvantaged when facing a duelist in single combat. Duels are a duelist's specialty.

99% of being an assassin is sneaking to an unaware target.

>>3247385

You're arguing a strawman, mouthbreather

>>3246962
Renly was not the next in line for the throne, yet he tried that anyway. He was also a faggot. Renly could have easily been given some fancy title where he couldn't fuck anything up.

>>3243305
Stop with this marketing meme. The books were never about accurate and detailed descriptions of ruling or tax policies, it was about the interesting characters and story.

>>3247422
I never said anything different, learn to read more carefully.

>>3243177
Dragons, worms and wyverns aren't distinguished in most mythology. Much like elves, trolls and goblins are often the same in myths.

Even the kraken wasn't necessarily a squid.

>>3243393
The flat side is the nail in a board side. Note the small spike.

Perhaps the weight isn't an issue for the hammer, but that merely answers one out of several issues. Why is the warhammer shaped so that the bit sticking out has all the weight? Why does it look exactly like plastic?

>>3247422
>>3243305
Moreover, as you seem to think that Martins point was somehow valid I just have to point out that it is bullshit.
>Ruling is hard
Which is why The Legendarium is filled with bad rulers who coudln't handle the difficult task.
>had a very medieval philosophy
LOLNOPE. Tolkien was, by his own words, an anarcho-monarchist by which he meant that during times of need those with the right character would rise to prominence and take care of the situation (see Aragorn, the scouring of the shire)
>that if the king was a good man, the land would prosper
Again, false. Gondor is prosperous under Aragorn because he has 100+ years of experience in ruling, diplomacy, military and history. The message never was that Aragorn was a good moral man and therefore he is good. In fact I don't think there's a single monarch in the Legendarium who was "good".
>What was Aragorn’s tax policy?
Irrelevant to the story, altough deciphering the economical system of ME is not hard.
>What did he do in times of flood and famine?
Hardships are described in the Legendarium.
>Did he maintain a standing army
No.
> And what about all these orcs? By the end of the war, Sauron is gone but all of the orcs aren’t gone – they’re in the mountains. Did Aragorn pursue a policy of systematic genocide and kill them? Even the little baby orcs, in their little orc cradles?
A question Tolkien struggled with, and didn't give an answer before he died. But this isn't really his point. He is implying Tolkien didn't deal with genocide, which is undoubtedly false. It is specifically stated that during the War of the Dwarves and the Orcs the Dwarves killed every single orc they came across in the Misty Mountains. Even in the Hobbit the Battle of the Five armies was said to have depleted the orc numbers heavily. Also during the War of the Wrath the host of the West genocided 99% of orcs in Middle Earth.

>>3247426
>There's an awful lot of stuff about the intricacies of ruling, including some tax policies.
There isn't. Being a passive-aggressive cunt won't change the fact that your statement was false. There are no intricate descriptions of ruling and none of the mentions about taxes amount to anything deep. The dwarves penny is just empty noise as we really never get told how the economy of the kingdom works. We don't even get a consistent describtion of the values of the different currencies.

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>>3247445
It's a retarded and obvious shop. The actual hammer is more reasonably sized.

>>3242657
That duelists fight looks pretty bad for the first half, especially with the terrible camera angles.
But that second one is really good, I wish more shows looked like that, although it would be nice if it was cut a bit less.

>>3247476
Stop being such a massive twat, my reply was to someone that said there was nothing about tax at all in the books and I specifically said it wasn't the main focus.

I'm not being passive aggressive I'm calling you a rude cunt that can't read and is strawmanning me.

>>3247476
>Implying it isn't simple feudalism with most regions being self sufficient

>>3247492
>more reasonably
It would still weight dozens of kg.

>>3246933
I always thought that serious historical swordfighting like in tournaments looked like shit, but this saber sparring still manages to look cinematic and exciting.

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>>3247366
-> >>3247343
is right.
It's common misconception that tools made for war (weapons) are heavier than normal tools used for work. It's the other way around.
You see, the basic difference between them, is that normal tools are used with stationary targets. That's why you can have sledge hammers weighting 10kgs or more. They can be also unbalanced as fuck, because you have all the time in the world, and that wooden post you are being about to hit, won't dodge it. But if you miss, you won't have strength to stop it mid-hit, you just have to drop it or hit dirt.
With real humans as targets weapons have to be balanced, because you need that maneuverability to hit something.
Even ignoring all physics stuff and weapon construction problems, it's not a matter of strength. Every grown men would be capable of using that 30kg warhammer. But it would be retarded in practical situation, and normal 1,5kg warhammer would be far better. Abnormally strong Robert would just do wonders with normal warhammer, there is no point in giving him heavier weapon.

>>3241995
>horns on helmets
Thats just screaming "please grab my head and stab me in the throat"

>>3247882
>throws sword to grab horn
>can't stab
>throws shield to grab horn
>gets stabbed

>>3247882
As well as "Let me add unnecessary weight to my head, that won't cause any problems" and "I hope their blow doesn't catch on the inside of the horns and ride in towards my head, that would be bad".

>>3247882
sounds kinky

>>3247459
Do orcs even have babies?

>>3247919
Not him, but yes. They "bring forth young in the manner of all of the Children of Illuvatar".

>>3246962
1. Sympathetic characters do kinslaying in fiction and history too. It's always a big deal, as it's almost universally a very serious sin (not only in westeros), but so is treachery and Renly was by all definitions a traitor.

2. Irrelevant. Also the popularity that matters is among fans and Renly wasn't that popular in relation to Stannis before the series.

>>3246889
He's american so yes. American fantasy and mythology are the wild west and life's of early presidents and founding fathers. Not a bad thing per se, but a very different animal from older nation's mythos.

>>3242859
What does it have to do with her being a girl? Brienne is a girl too and she should have wiped the floor with Arya.

>>3247882
>arm
That's just screaming please grab my arm and stab me in the throat

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>>3247954
Ahem?

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>>3248000
>>3247954
And this guy?

>>3247379
Holy shit kek

>>3241374
That is a Maul not a warhammer.

No. Great episode and Gendry is cool... but wtf were they thinking with that prop?

>>3241902
>swinging a giant club on a thief
>pokes with his rapier
>doesn't matter still swinging giant club
>CRUSH

At least DS3 didn't fuck -everything- up.

>>3241900
gods, you sound miserable.

>>3247492
I know, I've seen the episode you twat. Doesn't adress any issues.

>>3247894
>"I hope their blow doesn't catch on the inside of the horns and ride in towards my head, that would be bad".
Nigger have you ever seen stag horns? Did you even see the picture? Don't be retarded my dude.

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>>3243185
I wouldn't be surprised tbqh

>>3242027
kek

>>3248429
Not him, but I think a bigger concern would be a glancing blow catching on the horns and force the head to rotate. Could mean falling off your horse or breaking your neck. Also, in a wrestling match, someone could control your movements by grabbing the horns and forcing you to move to avoid breaking your neck.

>>3242013
>why keep watching the show anon
I stopped watching 40 minutes into S6E1, the scene where Cerci was whining to Jamie about a Witch's curse or whatever, and I noticed that the props in the background were just some shitty Styrofoam column with one of those plastic vines, like the kind you see in a doctor's office, wrapped around it.

I shut it off and never went back.

>>3241836
>it's magic, I ain't gotta explain shit

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>>3242731
Well to be honest the Lord of the Ring is mostly realistic looking for most caracters besides a few exceptions like the witch king with his retarded huge flail
And i don't think it's boring

>>3243283
How is it not an obvious shop? Check the head of the hammer as it meats the shaft. Or check his hands.

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>>3249858
>as it meats the shaft.

>>3249854
>witch king with his retarded huge flail
That always doubly annoyed me, since the books makes it clear he's got a good old fashioned mace anyway. Why make it complicated when you could make it simple instead?

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>>3247492
>>3241374

>>3247379
>s-she's fast

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>>3250062
That's a big hammer

>>3249868
real mature

>>3241374
It doesn't even look like anything in his blacksmith shop wtf. Did he paint the hammer black and it looks like a wooden handle, what were they thinking?

>>3249854
>>3249877
There was interview about that flail and they purposely made it of retarded size. The first prototypes were smaller.

>>3250166
For you