What went wrong?

Bad neighbors.

>>3231989
Slavs hate each other and detest the idea of living together.

See also:
Dissolution of the Soviet Union
Yugoslav Wars
Polish-Ukrainian wars

>>3231989
No more Germans for the Czechs to need the Slovaks to counterbalance against.

>>3231989
G*rmans. Would be the most successful central eastern country if krauts didnt fuck their shit up. Other nations in the region turned into shitty autocracies so the czechs would get ahead by simply not shitting the bed like them.

>>3232193
Nvm OP has a post ww2 map

All these fucking meme answers. Czechs were richer and didn't want to keep supporting the Slovaks. The Czechs wanted more control of the nation because they provided most of the budget and were supporting the Slovaks economically. In the end an autistic Czech president demanded either the Slovaks surrender more control to Prague or the country will split. So the country ended up splitting because of one autistic politician despite only about 40% of the population wanting such an outcome.

Germans had nothing to do with it.

>>3232139
We were never at war with ukraine you retard

>>3232233
>polen education

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Ukrainian_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia

I bet you didn't know that over half the guards at Auschwitz, Treblinka and Sobibor were Ukrainian volunteer askaris. That's how eager they were to help kill Poles and Jews.

All Slavs hate each other this is a fact.

>>3232232
this

>>3232139
also let's not forget the glorious Polish-Czechoslovak War, in which Czechoslovak forces defended against absurd Polish claims over Tešínsko

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_War

>>3231989
SK wanted a bigger say in things
CZ didnt want to give it
SK was a bit of a resource drain
CZ didnt want to share anymore
so the powers that were just agreed to split
loads of people were against the dissolution
but in the long run it was a good choice
and no one *really* cared, it was like 30 % for, 40 against, 30 undecided but there were no protests or anything, more like nostalgia

>>3232232
>>3232610
This really is the answer. It's not that the split wasn't mutually beneficial or amicable, but these really were the main issues at hand.

>>3232232
It was the other way around, Slovaks wanted out more than Czechs and all polls from the period pove that.

>>3231989
>What went wrong?
Slovakia existing

>>3231989
>People unnironicaly bealive people supported it

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>Czechoslovakia

Here is a better idea.

Klaus and Mečiar didn't want the split.
Slovakia wasn't bankrolled by Czechia and didnt' need to bankrolled by it. It's been proven.
Twas a complete fabrication from Kalvoda and co. and literally immediately after the split, it was evident that Slovakia - even with weaker currency- was self-sufficient, which emboldened Slovaks and embarrassed Czechs, killing any hope for restoration.
Somebody simply wanted to rile up the two ethnics against each other with lies and succeeded.
My father in law remembers his Polish friend who - upon hearing Czechoslovakia was going to dissolve - proclaimed "Little shit you are and yet you want to halve on top of it..."

Hungols stay out of this.

eastern Europeans can't get along
they are the most butthurt people on earth
bitching about ancient battles or injustices, holding grudges
the ethnicities are retarded

it's a shame Germany didn't get the chance to finish their genocide and/or germanization of the area

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The capital should have been in Brno for starters.
And a new compromise language between Czech, Moravian and Slovakian should have been reached, and called it New Moravian.

That one guy died died in a planecrash in like 1919. F.

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>>3233256

>We're new around here. Can we have a closer look at your magnificent empire? We promise not to break it.

>>3233256
SVATOPLUK 2018 MAKE MORAVIA GREAT AGAIN

>>3232139
>Slavs hate each other and detest the idea of living together.
>Best international relations in Europe
>most of Slovaks didn't even wanted dissolution
???

>>3231989
>Štefanik falling down
>Early state chauvinism
>Hawkishness of Masaryk
>Gommunisms

>>3233321
Most Czechs you mean, most Slovaks wanted to fuck off. We even had a plan in place to bomb Brno in case the Czechs re-invaded.

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>>3233339
>most Slovaks wanted to fuck off.
absolute horseshit

>>3233339
And a few Czechs through about tank-solutions. Fortunately, like these Slovaks of yours, they were irrelevant retards.

> most Slovaks wanted to fuck off
>Sociolog Ladislav Rabušic proto raději než na spekulace odkazuje na indicie z výzkumů veřejného mínění z konce roku 1992. Vyplývá z nich, že česká veřejnost měla velkou většinou z připravovaného rozdělení obavy a na Slovensku ho vítala jen asi jedna třetina obyvatel.

btw are you that cuck shilling for Tiso 24/7?

>>3231989
The Balkans demands the destruction of any union whatsoever, no matter how much people like the union, it's doomed.

>>3233380
>Czechoslovakia
>Balkans
What did he mean by this?

>>3231989
They should have create a common language and ethnic identity in the 19th century and a common name, not something hyphened or composite.
From what I understand the languages are very close and the cultural difference isn't that great and it's just like just like in any sufficiently large territory where you have some sort of difference between the regions.
Some regions are more rural and traditional (Slovakia), other are more urban and industrialized (Bohemia). This isn't some huge obstacle. It gives the country a bit of variety.

>>3233385
It's a radius.

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>>3233412
>They should have create a common language and ethnic identity

They were trying, but the main proponent of Czechoslovakism on the Slovak sidet fell down from the sky.

>>3232575

>defended

AFAIK it's the Czechs who started when they realized they won't win the plebiscite.


>absurd Polish claims over Tešínsko

Does solid Polish majority now count as "absurd"?

>>3233256

There's theory that gains ground that Piasts are agnatic descendants of the Great Moravian dynasty and came to modern Greater Poland in 9th century from the south. It would mean that the early Polish state was a rump remnant of the Great Moravian Empire, and Poland is continuation of Great Moravia.

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>>3231989
Why'd they create the country anyway? Why not just Bohemia and Slovakia?

t. knows little history

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>>3233527
>Why'd they create the country anyway?
More Slavs to balance Germans, Masaryk also was half Slovak.

>Why not just Bohemia and Slovakia?
Bohemia is only the western part of Czech lands and Slovakia wouldn't survive against Magyars on their own.

>>3233571
>BoheMoraSlovakia

>>3233579
*Bohemorasleslovakia

>>3231989

Nothing, it was a Velvet Divorce, not a civil war. Slovaks wanted to go their own way, Czechs said well okay then. Relations between the two countries are still extremely close.

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>>3233224
>tfw Trianon will NEVER be undone

Top kek get fucked Pedro

>>3233251
>they are the most butthurt people on earth

You've obviously never talked to an Irishman.

Slavs never had a period of national unification like Italians and G*rms, maybe it's too late now but maybe Intermarium will come along and in a hundred years they will all just be "Slavs".

>>3233256

That would be one UGLY country.

>>3233579
>>3233582
>Bohemoslovakia

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>>3233625

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>>3233650
BoheMoraSlezSloRuthenia

Prag and Pressburg should both be bombed for having shit rail station

>>3231989
>Lets make a country with 5 different ethnic groups, what could possibly go wrong

>>3233571
Moravia was included in the kingdom of Bohemia though so the name would still be valid.

>>3233717
Not really, you are thinking Lands of Czech crown.

>>3233712
It wouldn't be as much of an issue, if it didn't looked like a snake.

>>3233739
*Lands of the Bohemian crown

>>3233770
Lands of Czech crown is more correct, yet neither of them is "Bohemia". "Bohemia" is clearly defined region.

>>3233739
>It wouldn't be as much of an issue, if it didn't looked like a snake.
It wouldnt have mattered much because they would still have enemies everywhere.

>>3233816
They were the lands of the bohemian king and therefore the lands of the bohemian crown. Remember that Silesia and Lusatia were included and they were not czech.

>>3233870
Which would be less of a problem, when garrisons wouldn't be spread so thin.

>>3233888
>They were the lands of the bohemian king and therefore the lands of the bohemian crown.
That's what I am saying.

>Remember that Silesia and Lusatia were included and they were not czech.
Yet they belonged into the Lands of Czech crown.

>>3233901
>That's what I am saying.
The kingdom was officially only Bohemia so therefore the crown is bohemian and not czech.

>>3233890
Garrisons would still be spread thin because all of their neighbours wanted to annex them and more than half of the population wanted to secede. The shape hardly mattered.

>>3233914
>The kingdom was officially only Bohemia
Kingdom of Bohemia was in Bohemia. The three Margraviates and duchy of Silesia belonged into "lands of Czech crown".

>therefore the crown is bohemian and not czech
Same thing. Germanic and Romanic languages said "Bohemia", slavic languages said "Czech".

>>3233937
>all of their neighbours wanted to annex them
Poland only wanted a tiny bit, Germans were castrated (and only managed to get up due to Chamberlaine's incompetence), Hungary was weak and Romania was neutral

>and more than half of the population wanted to secede
That's incorect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovak_parliamentary_election,_1929

>>3233994
>Kingdom of Bohemia was in Bohemia
and therefore the crown was bohemian.
>Same thing
Not in germanic languages, it doesn't matter if it's the same in slavic languages.

>>3234020
Come on, you can't be serious...

>and therefore the crown was bohemian.
Království české=Czech kingdom=Regnum Czechorum=Regnum Bohemiae=Kingdom of Bohemia

>Not in germanic languages, it doesn't matter if it's the same in slavic languages.
On the contrary, since as you may know, Czechs spoke a Slavic language.

>>3234036
>Království české=Czech kingdom=Regnum Czechorum=Regnum Bohemiae=Kingdom of Bohemia
Direct translation=/=correct translation
>Czechs spoke a Slavic language.
Does not matter. The main reason they are not the same is because of the sudeten germans who were historically considered to be bohemians but not czechs.

>>3233994
You are delusional if you think Czechoslovakia could have taken on Hungary and Germany at the same time.

>>3234051
Lel, why do you assume anyone gives a fuck what Germans think?

>Direct translation=/=correct translation
It is a correct translation. Lands of Czech Crown, Lands of st. Vaclav's Crown and Lands of Bohemian crown are the same fucking thing.

Poles even made it clear when in one of their chronicles "kingdom of Czechs who are also called Bohemians".

>>3234057
In what year? Germany was incapable of offensive actions before Hitler started to take massive debts to feed his war machine.

>>3234078
>Lel, why do you assume anyone gives a fuck what Germans think?
Englishmen obviously did which is why they are distinct.

>>3234090
After Anchluss.

>>3232253
Also see: the Khmelnytsky uprising
The Polish-Ukrainian conflict has a religious side aswell, although many Ukrainians are (Greek) Catholics.

>>3234103
That's probably the most popular question of Czech pubs. But there are too many question about international support for either Czechs or Axis: "Will Polands declare neutrality or even support for Czechs?", "Will Yugoslavs punch trough Austria to help?" "How large would be support from Axis for German invasion?". IMO the shape of border wouldn't allow for Finland-like scenario.

>>3234102
>Englishmen obviously did
Please provide medieval (or even modern, but official or academic) English document that makes distinction between those two. I already gave you a document that supports the official version (Kronika Polska Stanislawa Chwalczewskiego,starosty kobrynskiego dziedzica Raskowskiego pisana 1549).

>>3234140
>Though they were living beyond the medieval Kingdom of Germany, an independent German Bohemian awareness, however, was not widespread and for a long time it played no decisive role in everyday life. Individuals were usually seen as Bohemians, Moravians, Silesians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudeten_Germans
The article uses german sources so i doubt you would accept it but you are just a delusional czech nationalist so i don't really give a shit.

>>3231989
>slavshits
>human

>>3234223
>Though they were living...
How's that relevant to semantics of "Lands of Czech crown"?

Try again, you said "Englishmen" so you have to provide an English source or abandon your claim.

>you are evil person hurting my feelings
Be so kind and get a tampon, nobody is interested in that rectal bleeding of yours.

>>3234256
>How's that relevant to semantics of "Lands of Czech crown"?
>(german)Individuals were usually seen as Bohemians, Moravians, Silesians.
>>you are evil person hurting my feelings
>Be so kind and get a tampon, nobody is interested in that rectal bleeding of yours.
I am not german, i just know whats what and i do not let my nationality blind me. Words are different for a reason.

>>3234272
>(german)Individuals were usually seen as Bohemians, Moravians, Silesians.
Moravians, Silesians and Bohemians are German ethnicities?...You know how stupid this sounds? You need to read in context of the whole wiki article, not just extract a few sentences.

>I am not german
I would prefer if you were. Germans generally act smarter than Germanboo Americans, they also have greater knowledge of this topic

Now, back to your claims:
>"Lands of Czech Crown" and "Lands of Bohemian Crown" are different things
>Englishmen support this distinction
Find us something to support it.

>>3234316
>Moravians, Silesians and Bohemians are German ethnicities?
No, they were regional identities at this time which included both germans and slavs. What the text meant is that people were more defined by the region than the ethnicity.

>>3233635
They could've became "just soviets", but for some reason they were all against that.

>>3234417

Yes why would they be against a regime that robbed them and enslaved them for decades truly a great mystery for the ages!

Czechs and Slovaks are just different groups.

>>3236638
Czechs are Germans who speak a Slavic language.

>>3233579
>>3233582
>>3233650
>>3233675
Českomoravskoslovensko, or Českomoravskoslezskoslovenskyrus

>>3233471
>Těšínsko always belonging to Bohemian kings
"Hurr durr but Poles live in there"
>Poland attacking eastern Belarus
"Hurr durr rightful Polish clay"
Also: most of the locals just viewed themselves as "Silesians", without additional nationality, not Poles. Most actial Poles were poor workers from Galicia, settled there during times of A-H.
Polish troops weren't intelligent enough to realize what a "preliminary agreement" means, cut Czechoslovak railway and started to conscript locals into Polish military. So yes, your claims has been always dumb.

>>3236649
... or Germans are Czechs who speak German?
KEK

>>3236763
You literally have no idea on the subject.

>>3233256
>Moravian language
literally no such thing

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>>3233256
agreed, let's attack Slovakia now.

>>3238674
This makes much less sense

>>3238706
depends on who you ask

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>>3238872
does it?

>>3240281
Only east Germany and they were not czechs