How did Mansa Musa compare to European and Asian kings?

He was a poor cuck.
Stop with the Africa BS, please.

>>3231859
He was a benevolent and wise leader. Many Muslim leaders saw him as a role model to emulate.

hol up

>>3231859
His desire to open up the world to his presence and his people seems unprecedented at the time. It was lavish, grandiose and open hearted.

That takes an awful lot of moxy on his part but also shows his desire to gain from the broader world meant more than any sort of ethnocentric pride.

It was calculated in a way I don't see in other places around the world often

>>3231859

he was scammed by arabs to go to mecca and squander all his gold.

>>3231859
>be richest man in the world
>don't invest anything in gaining foreign technology
>your country get conquered by Morrocans in the 15th century while Mallians still use spears
What an idiot

>>3231859
>Economy is not based on agriculture like feudal european societies
>Makes nearly all of his wealth from industry, in gold/salt mines
>Historians seem to say that his wealth, from gold and salt industry, was unparalleled at the time
>Despite being hugely wealthy, he didn't decide to bring any architects or skilled craftsmen back to Timbuktu to build anything a bit more impressive, after he finished his pilgrimage. I guess the logistics of it would just be fucking stupid, i.e. transporting good stone across large distances.

You'll have to be more specific about which European and Asians kings you want him compared to.

>>3233072
>your country get conquered by Morrocans in the 15th century while Mallians still use spears
I think a lot of people were still using spears in the 15th century, anon, including Morrocans.

>>3231859
The fact that you have to post an image from Sid Mayer's civilization tells ya all you need to know

>>3231859
He was rolling in the gold. That is all I know about him.

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>>3234043
Wow a non Malian manuscript

>>3231859
He single handedly fucked the economy of North Africa on Hajj

>>3233089
He didn't really build the Madrasah, but he oversaw a Golden Age of Quranic study.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankore_Madrasah#Apex

That could put him on a level with Alfonso X or the Medici.

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>>3231859
He was pretty much the ptolemy of 15th century Africa

>>3234728
*14th sorry

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>>3233089
>never built anything impressive
wat

>>3234493
>That could put him on a level with Alfonso X or the Medici.


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>>3234728
HAAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

>>3234770
In what world is this reconstructed mud pile impressive?

>>3234770
Wow, dude. I am blown away by the architectural skill of the black man. Truly a wonder of the world.

>>3234493
>golden age
>koranic study

Pick one and only one.

>>3234770

Visually striking but technologically extremely primitive and unimpressive.

>>3234493
>The name Sankore means "white nobles", the term 'white' here referring to the light-skinned Sanhaja Berbers.[1] Sankore was built under the leadership of Sanhaja Berbers, between 1325 and 1433.[2] Finally the Oratory of Sidi yahya or the mosque of Mohamed Naddah was built at the beginning of 15th century.[3]
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

>>3234770
>He claimed that if a person was an unbeliever or a kafara, then that is the sole factor for their enslavement, along with that being “the will of God.”


Wow... such enlightened scholars

>>3234837
This is false. Whiteness in West and Central Africa isn't a literal whiteness.

That's what's annoying about Wikipedia, they jump to conclusions. Notions of skin color and terms aren't universal.

>The Ganda concept of skin pigmentation considers light coloured complexions to be differing shades of white. A dark brown skin colour is said to be eruyeru, that is, somewhat white. A really brown-reddish-yellow person is said to be mweru = white, which in comparison would be considered to be blonde; and this in the Ganda aesthetic language is considered as red = myufu, the most perfect skin pigmentation. (Lugira, 1970, pp. 34-35)

>>3234860
>Here too words meaning literally “white” are commonly used to refer to light skins though “red” may also be used. Light skins are admired just as much as is shown to occur among the Ibo, and young girls discussing the possible attractions of various young men have often been heard to emphasize “very black” as a point against someone. In the past at least one attraction of a light skin apart from its intrinsic appeal was the fact that the tattooing stood out against it in strong contrast. (White, 1954)

>>3234837
i's pretty goddamn impressive considering the resources they had

>>3234858
>>3234860
dyslectic much?

>>3234889
Not at all, they were a gigantic rich empire full of gold and they managed to put together a mudpile while Greek city states with a few thousand people built massive temples

>>3234844
>>3234818
stop being such an insufferable autist, if you don't have anything to contribute to an interesting thread on Africa, go to the 3 other "africa niggers dumb" threads on this board

you /pol/tards are already shitting up this board with your shitty threads, don't shit up the few actual discussions we have, you're just embarassing yourself

>>3234894
have you considered the logistics of hauling stones to a lake in the middle of the dessert

and you are an absolute idiot if you think greek citystates only contained a few thousand people and you could call these mosque more impressive than marble tempels. mud is an extremely effective insulator in the dessert and building with it is not easy

>>3234906
Well you're a fucking retard who compared a school whose most famous scholar's most important contribution to literature and philosophy is this:

>>3234858

With the Italian renaissance

>>3234913

>and you are an absolute idiot if you think greek citystates only contained a few thousand people

Some did, some others were much bigger

>and you could call these mosque more impressive than marble tempels.

Now, I said the opposite, you clueless retard

>. mud is an extremely effective insulator in the dessert and building with it is not easy

Why?

And that building looks like shit

It's not impressive no matter how you look at it

>>3234893
The bottom is my post not the top. Also do you mean dyslexic?

Skin preference in Africa is the same found in old Europe and historically in East Asia. Think of it as being blonde in Italy, not exceptional but occurs little enough to warrant special attention.

>>3234933
both of my posts didn't talk about your skincolour theory (that has btw been debunked since the 80s)

please take your geneautism to another thread and try to accomplish something yourself

>>3234924
none of your arguments make any sense, and there where no citystates with less than 10.000 inhabitants.

>>3234989
source on your stinking bullshit?

>>3234914
that wasn't me, just calling you out on your low-effort, autistic posts

>>3234993
http://users.clas.ufl.edu/kapparis/AOC/ATHENS.htm

>>3234994
Learn what autism is, you retarded fuck.

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>>3234493

>Golden Age of Quranic study


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3234844
>>3234818
>>3235105

same dude, butthurt muslim

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>>3235147

nope you retard. that was my first post, and I mock how "quranic study" is een as an achievement.

and I am definitely not a muslim. still, quite funny to see how such a rich nignog king bent over for arabs.

>>3234986
They have not been debunked by anyone. The basis of Sahelian society is with the Tubu and Kanem.

Whiteness and Redness are terms used in most African societies in ways that do not reflect or center Eurasian peoples.

You aren't going to find a shred of evidence stating otherwise by legitimate sources.

>>3235162
Its just a fancy way of saying "philosophy"
After rome fell most European philosophers were basically just critiquing the bible for some centuries.

>>3234924
Nigga the population of Golden Age Athens was 300-400 thousand. In classical Greece, you couldn't say you were a city-state if you had only a "few thousand" people. That would be the size of a town belonging to a city-STATE

>>3235568
No, it wasn't, stop pulling Numbers out of your ass

>>3235105
>>3234834
I guess we can completely discredit Augustine of Hippo and Thomas Aquinas then too since apparently theology is laughable.

>>3235592
Anon seems about right

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy#Size_and_make-up_of_the_Athenian_population

>>3231859
Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.
His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.
In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.
With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.

>>3235592
>Sh-sh-shut up guys! You're lying, you're LIARS!!! I don't believe you!

I know this is an anonymous trans-porn and animation discussion website, but please try to display some dignity when proven wrong.

>According to Thucydides, the Athenian citizens at the beginning of the Peloponnesian War (5th century BC) numbered 40,000, making with their families a total of 140,000 people in all. The metics, i.e. those who did not have citizen rights and paid for the right to reside in Athens, numbered a further 70,000, whilst slaves were estimated at between 150,000 and 400,000

[Encyclopedia Of Ancient Greece (ed. by Nigel Guy Wilson). Routledge (UK), 2006]

Go on, keep on giving me (you)s.

>>3235634
>Since the dawn of history the Negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light.

Diamonds have no intrinsic value

>His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.

The African Neolithic was centered around the Cow, later the Donkey and guineafowl were domesticated. Roger Blench proposes Central Sudanic populations in northern DRC and surrounding areas had domesticated Pigs in a extensive managerial system much like in the Mediterranean.

>A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use.

Most Africans were Herders and Farmers or both, most supposed Hunter gatherers were actually gardeners or apiculturists.

>He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.

Read above.

>In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.

Dhar Tichitt, Great Zimbabwe, the Ashanti houses and kiKongo amonst most others show otherwise.

>With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.

This actually isn't accurate. African populations navigated Mega Lake Chad and utilized riverian systems, evidenced by this is the Dufuna canoe which shows already then a long history of navigation skills.

>>3235614
Attica is not just Athens

>>3235655
Retard, now 140,000 = 400,000

WE WUZ KHANGZ

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>>3235634
Is this the fake Charles Darwin quotation?

http://quotefail.com/quote/charles-darwin-dawn-history-negro-has-owned

>rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy
Define rich

>crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet
In what way are diamonds useful to a culture transitioning from proto-anarchism to ancient civilization?

>yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light
[citation needed]

>His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
[citation needed]

>A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use.
Hasn't the "sub-Saharan Africans were a stone age before colonialism" meme been busted already? Pic related

>In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud
Who actually wrote this?

>yet he never dreamed a sail
I suppose Somalian traders just swam to India among other destinations, and held the goods they brought back with them above water? Here's a model of one of a common trading vessel
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beden

>Journal of African History - John Donnelly Fage and Roland Anthony Oliver

It's funny that people repost this, because Charles Darwin wasn't even racist when you place him in the context of 19th Century Britain. He was vehemently opposed to the crackdown on the Morant Bay rebellion.

>>3235694
Thanks, I was hoping you would reply. I was also hoping that you would fuck up, which you did. Beyond my expectations.

Now, let's do some maths!

But first, learn that there is a distinction between a citizen and a non-citizen, in every civilization. Thucydides says that there were 40,000 citizens living in Athens, and with their families that make 140,000 people - to start off!

Stay with me: 140,000 people + 70,000 non-citizen freemen = 210,000 people.

Now let's add the minimum estimate of 150,000 slaves to that figure, and we have a grand total of AT LEAST 360,000 people living in 5th Century Athens.

Learn to read.

>>3235684
lol rekt, quote is false btw

>>3234914
I made >>3234493 and I stand by my claim.
>The Sankoré Masjid was capable of housing 25,000 students and had one of the largest libraries in the world with between 400,000 to 700,000 manuscripts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sankore_Madrasah#Apex

Compare to Oxford 500 years later
>At the start of 1914 the university housed about 3000 undergraduates and about 100 postgraduate students.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford#Modern_period

Sankore was as good as or better than European universities of the time. Europeans held beliefs similar to >>3234858 well into the 16th century
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Salamanca#The_conquest_of_America

>>3231863
>poor

>>3235293
That's not entirely correct, Hellenic philosophy was discussed at large across Western Europe. Although if I recall it was mostly Plato. The bible certainly held its place but to think it was the only point of discussion for philosophers is just wrong. I suppose it could be argued that there weren't many philosophers at that point anyhow.

>>3237077
And yet it never produced anything, many students=/= quality, compare their intellectual "output" with contemporary Italian philosophers, mathematicians and writers

>>3237077
>Europe held believes similar to..

Maybe but The point is that's the only thing scholars from that African "school" ever came up with

Most important intellectual produced by the Sankorè University:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Baba_al_Massufi

Reading his article his whole "original" philosophy is saying slavery is ok with non musims, thus basically parroting the Quran, read it yourselves

Now let's compare it with intellectuals from the Italian University of Bologna living around his time or earlier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerolamo_Cardano

Relevant mathematician

"Today, he is well known for his achievements in algebra. He made the first systematic use of negative numbers, published with attribution the solutions of other mathematicians for the cubic and quartic equations, and acknowledged the existence of imaginary numbers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulisse_Aldrovandi

Botanist

"In the course of his life he would assemble one of the most spectacular cabinets of curiosities, his "theatre" illuminating natural history comprising some 7000 specimens of the diversità di cose naturali, of which he wrote a description in 1595. Between 1551 and 1554 he organised several expeditions to collect plants for a herbarium, among the first botanizing expeditions. Eventually his herbarium contained about 4760 dried specimens on 4117 sheets in sixteen volumes, preserved at the University of Bologna. He also had various artists, including Jacopo Ligozzi, Giovanni Neri, and Cornelio Schwindt, make illustrations of specimens."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus

Copernicus, I think the name speaks for itself:

"The publication of Copernicus' model in his book De revolutionibus orbium coelestium (On the Revolutions of the Celestial Spheres), just before his death in 1543, was a major event in the history of science, triggering the Copernican Revolution and making an important contribution to the Scientific Revolution.[8]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracelsus

Infleuncial mathematician and scientist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri

Rings a bell?

He's "hood rich". Uses the money for nothing but grand extravagant displays and has no lasting legacy.

Meanwhile empires of the west like Rome or China has a much more lasting effect with a rich cultural history and traditions.

>>3235600

fine by me. though there is a difference between blending religion with philosophy to study ethics, the universe, the relations between people, politics,... and mindlessly learning a book in a language you don't understand by heart

>>3235600
Even if we exclude philosophy contemporary Italian university produced a shitload of intellectuals who worked in many other fields too

Here I just named a few of the most prominent ones from the University of Bologna

>>3237440

>>3237077

give me one contribution of the sankore school that we know off and that doesn't involve brainless reading of the uran

>>3237468
> No lasting legacy
> Culture and oral tradition that master until today
> Our great effort in centralist a multi-etnic empire

>>3237396
It did produce quality works and we're in the process of recovering them.

>>3237398
>The collections include manuscripts about art, medicine, philosophy, and science, as well as priceless copies of the Quran.
And of course in the 16th century the university started to decline with political instability and the region being decimated by Moroccans. Colonialism didn't really help either, but it's unfair to just blame whites for everything.

>>3237492
See above. There are 700,000 manuscripts. It seems unlikely that all of them are just "brainless reading of the [Q]uran"

>>3237440
Civilization in West Africa started a millennium after civilization in Europe though. The Quran was the only real intellectual tradition they had to draw on, whereas Europeans had the Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, and Arabs.

>>3231866
Is that why their culture is selfish and a failure?