>The Illiad and Odyssey were the only 2 surviving books out

We have lost a large amount of Classical Philosophy.

Chryssipus was considered one of the greatest philosophers of antiquity and has written a lot. We have no surviving texts of his.

A large part of the failings and uselessness of post-medieval Ethics are due to this.

>>3231013

The bulk of the writing was in the two books so we didnt miss too much. Also Homer as the "author" probably never existed. It seems far morelikely there were generations of oral story tellers and multiple authors trying to mash everything together.

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>>3231038
>a monk should not laugh etc

>>3231038

I wonder if any of that is in the carbonized papyri from Herculaneum.

>>3231038
>The Archimedes Palimpsest is a parchment codex palimpsest, which originally was a 10th-century Byzantine Greek copy of an otherwise unknown work of Archimedes of Syracuse and other authors. It was overwritten with a Christian religious text by 13th-century monks.
AYYY LMAO

>>3231013
The Gilgamesh Epic, every couple years the find a new missing fragment.

>>3231210
Homer as the "author" almost definitely existed. Muh oral tradition theory has been debunked decades ago.

>>3231013
>tfw you will never read all the Boston
Why even live

>>3231765

B-but Christians preserved western civilization!!!

>>3233174
Western civilization is disgusting and needs to die.

>>3233197
Not sure if leftist or islamist

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>>3231210
>Also Homer as the "author" probably never existed.
>this meme again

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>mfw "Weak as men are now"

Somehow makes me sad to realized, even in Homer's time mankind was considered degenerated. Just think of the physique of the Achaean warriors compared to your average modern person.

>>3231013
Neither the Illiad (by Virgil not Homer) nor the Odyssey (by Homer) were books. They were songs/poems orally passed on for centuries before being written down.

>>3233274
>Homer's time

Or you know its just proof that nostalgia goggles are real and that idealising the past and crapping on the present is part of human nature.

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>>3233310
What if you're wrong though? What if men really have degenerated for thousands of years, and in our age humanity has sunk to the lowest of low points, physically and mentally. What if the degeneration is a process that began thousands years before Homer and continues to this day.

>>3233274
They would most likely be mentally stronger, but physically weaker.

>>3233322
So?

>>3233353
Gives me the feels, is all.

Important parts of Tacitus' Annals are lost, documenting some parts of roman history we only have Suetonius' gossip of.

>>3231819
False, your'e talking out of your ass, I studied Ancient Greek literature at uni and the most commonly accepted view is that that Homer never existed as a person.

>>3233274
Homer's time (if he ever exited) were 750 bc, the physique and ideals weren't the same as classical Greece (500-400 bc)

>>3233322
"Degenerated"

Myceneans were usually like 160 cm (5'4) on average and were portrayed as of average build, not even as nearly as muscular as Classical Greeks

>>3233365
Well I teach ancient Greek literature at uni and i'm telling you he did.

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>>3233365
>I studied Ancient Greek literature at uni

>>3233381
What's so funny

>>3233378
Epic, I really doubt it, you're most likely a clueless merryfat that learned about the Iliad from Troy

>>3231013
>>3231038

Thanks, religion of peace.

>>3233197

/her/ is literally leftypol at this point in time. I hope you are proud of yourselves and your worthless degrees.

>>3231013

Argonautica was probably part of it, as were the mythic cycles of Perseus and Belleraphon.The only book we know for sure was part of what you might call "the Mycenean Corpus" is the life and deeds of Odysseus' son Telemachus.

>>3231210

Homer may not have originated the story (since it was based on actual event, arguably it has no ultimate "author"), but the version we have is from one storyteller and we mat as well call him Homer.

>>3233404
Argonautica is a Hellenic poem wrote by Apollonius of Rhodes in the 3rd century bc

reminder that those events actually took part in Northern Europe

>>3233370

Homer was 10th century BC, the events he wrote about took place in ~1200BC and oral traditions are not reliable beyond a few centuries (cf the Lakota myth of their origins, contradicted by known historical events and taking place only 200 or so years ago).

>>3233425
Sure buddy, North Europeans didn't even have cities at the time so, no.

>>3233425
Actually Homer is Korean. His real name was Ho Meoyung.

>>3233371
>>3233322

Mycenae was a warrior dictatorship (an aristocracy), while the average shitmuncher was no bigger than his descendants, the actual warriors themselves, who feasted daily on meat and fought and trained nonstop, would have put the average football team to shame.

>>3233427
>Homer was 10th century BC, the events he wrote

Greeks didn't write anything in the 10th century bc, they didn't have the alphabet yet and didn't use Linear B anymore, there is no proof of him existing but most guesses say that the Iliad and Odyssey composed in the form we know today around the 9-8th century bc, the first certified time it was written times is in the 6th century bc

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>>3233431
> the actual warriors themselves, who feasted daily on meat and fought and trained nonstop, would have put the average football team to shame.


Hmmm no, I'm talking about aristocratic burials and they were all around 160-163 cm tall, I don't know if they were built but from the paintings of warriors found in the royal palaces it doesn't seem so.

>>3233424

Obviously I'm talking about a lost Argonautica, not the much later version we have. The story itself has deep Mycenean roots, many of the heroes at Troy had fathers who took part in the Argonautica. Illiad has many references to Jason, this wasn't some story Apollonius made up.

>>3233431
>if you eat a lot of meat as an adult you will be tall
Are you retarded?

>>3233433
>Greeks didn't write anything in the 10th century bc

Hence "oral tradition". You're a bit slow, aren't you? Obviously i wasn't WRITTEN by Homer, who was famously blind, but from contextual cues it is possible to guess at the ind of society Homer himself must have lived in, and this is a Dark Age society, not an Archaic one.

>>3233450
You said wrote, are you retarded?

>>3233446

Yes that's obviously literally what I meant, there is no possible way to read my post other than to confirm that I literally and unironically think eating meat directly and necessarily makes you taller, I guess you're right I am retarded.

Fucking dope.

>>3233451

It's a figure of speech you dense fucktard.

>>3231819
Though Homer as a person most certainly existed, it is almost certain that he wrote down and oral tradition from mycenaean times.

>>3233454
No, it's not, learn how to express yourself properly, dumb amerifat.

>>3233452
>the actual warriors themselves, who feasted daily on meat and fought and trained nonstop, would have put the average football team to shame.
^^^^this is what you wrote. One half of your hypothesis is that eating meat daily as an adult (as a warrior) makes you taller. The other half is that training nonstop makes you taller. Honestly the part I left out is more retarded.

>I guess you're right I am retarded.
I'm glad we agree.

Wow we have a lot of actual autists in this thread

What if the other 8 books have lolis as main characters?

>>3233460

If you can't understand my very simple and clear posts, then I have no interest in talking to you.

>>3233461

Okay so you don't know how the English language works. That's fine, go be illiterate somewhere else.

>>3233461
They were tall on average for their times but they are rather short for ours, they were 5'7

>>3233465
>would have put the average football team to shame

>>3233466
>implying they don't

>>3233394
Leftypol with 5 "if africa good, why niggers dumb" threads up? Sure a small board that died out long ago in a site that isn't even searchable by google is the problem.

The post you replied tot was an obvious strawman, we want you out /Pol/.

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>>3233467
>Okay so you don't know how the English language works
Tell me, for my amusement, how you think the English language works, then.

>>3233467
It's not my problem if you can't even write in your own language

the verb "to write" has a precise meaning

>>3233473
I want both of you danm faggots out of this board. /leftypol/ and /pol/ are killing this place.

>>3233475

You are a literal moron.

>>3233476
>the verb "to write" has a precise meaning

No, it has several meanings. This is why you are an illiterate, and why I'm not going to waste more time with you.

>>3233475
It doesn't. English is a cancer language.

>>3233473

Saying that Soviet Union did nothing wrong is just as bad as /pol/ shitposts.

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>>3233478
It was worth waking up early on a saturday to witness your butthurt.

>>3233495
>sleeping

>>3233482
It doesn't, it's pathetic how stupid anglophones are and how you don't even know your own language

>>3233490
How embarassing.

>>3233297

The Illiad is Homer. The Aeneid was Virgil

>>3233297
Retard

>>3233518
>>3233297

tbf the Aeneid is Homeric fanfic so

>>3233365
>>3233433
>>3233450
>>3233459
"Homer" is probably one person, that wrote down and formalised a set of stories and legends that had been circulated for about 500 years in oral form. Parry and his studies on oral poetry in the Balkans basically prove its possible.

>>3233536

It could as easily be the founder of an oral tradition that was ultimately collected and written down centuries later, very much embellished. Attributing your text to an illustrious founder or predecessor is an old trope.

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>>3231038

>>3233274
they were all midgets

>>3233569
Have you ever considered that maybe we are giants?

>>3233569

The average height way 5'6" but some were six feet or more. Humans are pretty variable.

>>3233310
>Or you know its just proof that nostalgia goggles are real and that idealising the past and crapping on the present is part of human nature.

The Illiad was written in an era called "Greek Dark Ages", after the "Bronze Age Civilization Collapse".

Most of the times when people complain about the degeneracy of their era, they are right.

The people complaining about the Hippies (Hippie apologists loved to spread this idea that people alwayd complained about degeneracy) were absolutely correct.

>>3233229
neither
>>3233394
>worthless
>paid for
Pick one, STEMSperg.
>>3233473
No kiddo, not everything you dislike is a strawman.

>>3233174
>>3233197
>one monk overwrites an old book
>christians destroyed civilization!!! reeeeee!!!

>>3233737
Except that things are continually getting better for everyone

>>3235544
Better is subjective.