What were Strasser´s expansion plans?

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>>3230587
Kick the all the porkies and greedy jews from power

>>3230587
Socialism in One Country, more or less. Aside from possibly unifying Greater Germany, I don't think he ever intended to wage war on a large scale like Hitler did.

Alos, is Strasserism and "national bolshevism" or whatever becoming more mainstream lately? It certainly seems that way. Or would being a Strasserite still get you as much hatred by normies and the left as being a faggot who shouts "Heil Hitler"?

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>>3230644
Hitler was a traitor to the german workers cause and his autistic leadership ruined the ideals of national socialism.

>In an alternate timeline, Nazis would be considered communists rather than fascists.

Its a funny world we live in.

>>3230644
Vast majority of Normies have no clue what Strasserism is
If you tried to explain it to them and included the words "Hitler", "Nazi" or similar they would probably freak out

>>3230899
What if you said it was a form of socialism centered on the nation and opposed to capitalism?

>>3230928
if you take 'national socialism' away from its Nazi connotations, I think it would be very popular - elements of it can be found in many socialist states (like China) and European social-democratic parties (like those in Scandinavia)

>>3230946
what elements are you referring to in the social democratic parties?

>>3230946
National Socialism needs to be rebranded. As long as it is called "national socialism" people will think of Nazis and won't want anything to do with it.

Honestly as someone with left leaning values I could see myself supporting it as long as they don't go full retard with the racial scapegoating and militarism focus on civic investments which actually strengthen the long term health of the nation. My biggest fear would be a second Night of Long Knives Purge, right-wing nat-socs murdering all the left-wing nat-socs in order to make their policy platform more palatable to the business elite.

>>3231365
It sucks that a non-"national socialist" party ruined the concept of "national socialism." In the same way that Nazi autists ruined the Swastika as a symbol.

>>3231365
Very true. All emerging fascist movements today can't seem to help themselves. Their parties are something along the lines of "Social Nationalism" or "New Sovereignty" with red, black and white symbolism. And even those who aren't can't not mention how the Holocaust might have not happened.
That is not how you gain the people's support. Neofascists are the reason why we can't give fascism another chance.

>>3230587
Would Strasser have carried out something like the Final Solution? Would Strasser have killed millions of Jews, Slavs and others deemed racially inferior?

>>3230587
Redistribute estates and land to the poor people, alliance with Uncle Joe against Perfidious Albion. Possible a similar Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, but with a stronger alliance and no silly Barbarossa campaign.

>>3230708
nah, marxist economies don't work. Sorry, but as nice as it sounds, the average worker doesn't know shit about about managing a factory, as much as the average farmer doesn't know shit about managing a farm.

Hitler's economy was more or less Keynesian or Social-Democratic, so while it relied on liberal economics and privatisation, it also ensured worker's rights, welfare, healthcare benefits, etc. Kind of like New Labour or Kennedy's democrats.

>>3232184
Strasser national socialism is not marxist, is more like guild socialism or national syndicalism.

>>3232152
Probably not. He would have purged Trotskyists and Internationalists though.

>>3232214
no roehm was literally calling for land redistribution and confiscating land from the nobility in 1933. Hitler was right to off that faggot, he was a dangerous liability to Hitler's standing with the industrialists.

>>3232152
>Would Strasser have carried out something like the Final Solution? Would Strasser have killed millions of Jews, Slavs and others deemed racially inferior?

>implying Hitler did that

>>3232237
>i don't know what marxism really is.

You seems like /pol/ but land redistribution and confiscation land is present in other socialist/populist ideologies not only marxism, also your affirmation is a plain confirmation of the treacherous character of hitler who sided with the junkers while killed his own brethren in arms for power.

>>3231365
>Honestly as someone with left leaning values I could see myself supporting it as long as they don't go full retard with the racial scapegoating and militarism focus on civic investments which actually strengthen the long term health of the nation.
No anon, you're just a Stalinist

>>3232214
>national syndicalism
you really need to stop playing Kaiserreich

>>3232377
Strasserism and Stalinism are virtually the same thing.

>>3232385
Stalinism envisaged using Jews as a shock-troop police class to eliminate all the other troublesome ethnic groups and then eliminate the Jews themselves at the end once it was safe to do so, since they were the most treacherous ethnic group. (This is basically what Stalin did in the NKVD. Jews formed 50% of the officer class despite being 5% of the population. He used them at the height of the great purge and ukrainian genocide to get rid of all the peoples, factions, and ethncities that he didn't like. But then he decimated the Jewish officer corps. of the NKVD themselves because he didn't trust them at all).

Meanwhile Strasserism would have basically just kicked out the jews from the get go and not have to deal with them at all. Strasserism may have been socialist and not-racialist, but it still hated Jews. Even Otto Ernst Remer's Socialist Reich Party (he was a massive Sovietboo, and despite saving Hitler against the conservative putsch of 1944, he still thought it was a mistake to invade the soviet union), and he was calling for a solution to the Jewish question throughout his whole career.

>>3232411
Both sides only hated Jews from a religious perspective. They were both okay with racial Jews so long as they agreed to Socialism in One Country.

>>3232424
>stalin
>religious perspective

Lmao no, he just knew that Jews were backstabby and traitorous. Stalin and Lenin (who was part Jewish himself) were ardent atheists, but Trotsky wanted to completely genocide the Russian orthodox church, whereas Lenin thought that was too far, and both Lenin and Stalin wanted to maintain some degree of Russian nationalism. The Jews wanted worldwide revolution, whereas Stalin was more focused on building up a strong Russian/Soviet state.

Stalin knew the jews full well, he would just rather have used them as allies when convenient than do away with them all together. That's why he was the strongest supporter of Israel in 1948 and the first leader to recognise it. But by 1953 he had turned against them again and was planning to purge them for a second time, but they got to him first this time.

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>>3232377
Kek

>>3232380
This not change the fact this really existed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_syndicalism

>>3232380

>stopping playing Kaiserreich

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>>3232411
go back to /pol/ faggot

>>3233323
your graph proves my point

also fuck off you dumb ugly kike, you're the reason every hates jews so much. you can't even point out one historically relevant fact about jews without jews screaming "anti-semite!", fuck i hate you people

>>3233388
are you autistic? I just proved that Stalin hated the kike you Zionist

>>3232377
>Everybody who disagrees with me is a tankie

>>3232411
>THE JEWS
this is why nobody takes national socialism seriously. You can't get them to actually talk policy, they just want to rant about people they hate.

>>3232385
Wait I am a fucking commie? But I hate commies

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>>3233821
I don't hate jews because they are simply jews, I don't even hate all the jews in general, but I hate their implicit collaboration with the globalism, the mundial finance and neoliberalism, zionist are the worse of them, using their racial inmunity and the American influence to commit crimies in the name of Israel.

>>3234271

The real red-pill is that there is no real definition of what a communist is. All sorts of things can be considered communist.

Strasserism is a type of communism.

>>3234502
that pic made me kek

>>3230636
DELET THIS

>>3230708
>nationalists against capitalism
>implying you arent just communists

>>3239515
strasserism is non marxist socialism, more like guild socialism or national syndicalism.

>>3239904
What in Marxist ideology is Strasserism opposed to?

>>3239908
internationalism

>>3232184
unless they own the company engineers are workers.