Why do african-americans reject MLK JUNIOR?

>>3229730
He is too popular with whitey.

>>3229730
He's an Uncle Tom

>>3229730
He's a cuck. Malcolm x was more redpilled.
MLK was a race mixing communist sympathizer

>>3229730
because they are more racist than anyone on the planet?

>>3229780
I don't think so. Can you explain how the people who suffered the most on history can be racist?

>>3229730
They don't white people misquote him in an attempt to silence black people and black marginalization.

Also black people aren't a hivemind.

>>3229854
>>3229756
>>3229752
>>3229744
there we go

>we need to stop singing and start swinging!

>>3229856
Isn't this from Muhammad Ali?

>>3229826
The current ones who didn't suffer blame whitey for past oppressions even though most current whites never enslaved them or were a part of enacting Jim Crow laws. So they stereotype whites as oppressors or racist, themselves becoming hateful and racist in the process.

>>3230142
That's wrong though. If whites are known to oppress black people for all USA history, how can the black man start trusting the white man again, if the answer is literary, "deal with the past?".

I cannot comprehend it.

>Why do african-americans reject MLK JUNIOR?

Citation please.

They don't.

>>3230158
So what, are the two groups just supposed to hate each other forever now? There can never be peace?

>>3230142
Current blacks are still living from the consequences of the history. Their ancestors were denied housing and crowded into ghettoes through redlining. There even was a thriving business community in Tulsa that whites burned down. They literally just became legally equal, what 50 years ago? Lol

>>3230173
This.

I've never noticed anything but good things said about him from most people. I can imagine he's not popular with black supremacists etc. but that's hardly surprising.

I'm not an American so I'm just guessing but I suppose it might be because of that MLK-Ultra thing he pulled on them.

>>3230158
>If blacks are known to steal from and rape white people for all USA history, how can the white man start trusting the black man again, if the answer is literary, "deal with the past?".

>>3230367
It's widely known this didn't happen till recently in USA. It's obvious the consequences of black people not having dignity on their entire history.

Why are you so racist?

>>3230220
Niggers fared better before desegragation.

>>3229826
Because racism isn't subjective. I'm sorry black people suffered and I will give you 100 million dollars to feel better but you are not exempt from human nature as a victim of suffering.

>>3230373
>black people not having dignity
And he's the racist?
You can still be poor and have dignity you raving baboon.

>>3230377
I'm sure all those ghettos were veritable gardens of prosperity and happiness. Those Sundown Towns were great for blacks too!

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>>3229826
There are others who have suffered, maybe not as much as black people in america, but damn near, and they manage to act differently.

History isn't about comparing scars, my friend.

>>3230373
Ah yes crime was unheard of in the African-American community until very recently when whitey came and taught them how to be evil. Before whites came and corrupted them blacks were peaceful and honest folk living in harmony with nature frolicking in the meadows! You see this is why black people are not responsible for the bad things they do because when a black person commits a crime it's actually because whitey made them do it, they don't want to be criminals but alas they are enslaved by the evil white man who is ever lurking in the shadows laughing maniacally as he forces them to rob liquor stores and do drive-bys. When oh when will the white man tire of forcing them join gangs and smoke crack! Why won't he just set them free?!

>>3230352
underated pun

>>3230220
>literally just became legally equal, what 50 years ago? Lol
Aren't blacks like the most powerful and intellectual race in the world? Why do they need government programs to bend the rules for them to succeed?
What does excusing racism on their part have to do with getting their shit together?

Could it be that despite your bitching (apologies, it's not really *yours* if you learned the technique from some white professor from new york) there are families of blacks that hold totally contrary philosophies to yours which actually managed to get a grip in the modern age?

>>3230417
It's simple. Black people has been discriminated by their own country. The country that pick them from the motherland. Now, the motherland is not their home, yet the country of USA, with the slavery and discrimination isn't theirs neither.

If black people feel like their own country has treated them like animals, how is it normal for them to love their country, identity and thus, conection with their neighbours white people?

>>3230434
Can you explain your point without wordplay and irony trying to hide your racism? Thx

>>3230397
As I said in the beginning of my post. History is unforgettable. Humans aren't tools that can be repaired "efficiently".

>>3230402
It's pretty simple how learning about history gives you an identity and a reason to love your country. If independence gives you courage against foreign matters, slavery and oppresion won't give you the same impression.

The answer is obvious. Go be a racist somewhere ok?

>>3230452
>Black people has been discriminated by their own country
What about the Japanese in that picture?
>If black people feel like their own country has treated them like animals, how is it normal for them to love their country, identity and thus, conection with their neighbours white people?
What about the japanese people in that picture?
What about other black people who still manage to do so?

>History is unforgettable
Indeed, history is objective. So is racism. Either an event happened or it did not.
Similarly, either a black man commits an act of prejudice, or he does not.

>>3230459
How do you feel about the country of Liberia, which operated on this philosophy? A place where black people can feel pride in their homeland.

>>3230446
>Why do they need government programs to bend the rules for them to succeed?
Because the government has been doing precisely the opposite of this since its inception. Do you think that centuries of slavery, subsequent forced labor, Jim Crow, redlining, and discrimination was undone in 50 years?

>>3229730
Is really this easy to get people on this site so riled up?
Just post an obviously false, broad, and subjective statement as if its fact.

As a black person in America I've never heard any black person no matter how ghetto, boujee, well-educated, militant, or uncle tomish ever "hate" MLK. In fact i've never seen anyone of any race just say they hated him. Even people who try to discredit him with his personal affairs still admire and respect him and his message. Some may disagree with him on his non-violence or integration but they still respect his ideological position.

>>3230459
How do you manage to think so calmly and independently despite also knowing about this heinous history of yours?
By what miracle are you able to operate a computer despite white people abusing your ancestors for so long?

>>3230452
My point is simple: it's racist for blacks to hold whites responsible for their behavior.

>>3230474
>Do you think that centuries of slavery, subsequent forced labor, Jim Crow, redlining, and discrimination was undone in 50 years?
I do not, but I do think we were and still are progressing in strides with or without shit like rent control and welfare. Look up Thomas Sowell. Listen to some of his talks on conservatism and the african american community.

>there is no reason to be proud of your race or your nationality or the acts of your ancestors as it is something you had no influence or control of.
>you should be held responsible for the acts of your ancestors and give gib me dats to people who claim they were oppressed by them

Funnily enough this almost always comes up exclusively with blacks. It appears they are the only victims that deserve to be compensated. I'm starting to suspect the american left is actually nazis in disguise trying to make everyone hate niggers.

>>3230484
>blacks to hold whites responsible for [blacks'] behavior.

ftfy

>>3230476
You're a cool dude, but we aren't riled up about the OP. There's an idiot in here calling white people racist and claiming that black folks have no impetus for self-responsibility.

>>3230497
Yes that's what I'm saying.

>>3230464
>japanese
Japanese people have a motherland and an ethnic history of accomplishment that give them pride.
>some black people
If racists are able to acknowledge that not all black people commit crimes, then this can be an argument. Sadly, this is irrelevant.

>prejudice
And worplay won't hide your racism. Omitting past crimes and consequences today... How does it feel to have an identity? Black people will have an identity that is built on oppression and conformity against the white race that in some moment of History, made it possible to be legal to treat black people like animals. This will NEVER be forgotten.
>>3230470
Irrelevant to USA.
>>3230480
It's pretty simple. Just compare it with a group of people working together till some individuals backstab the rest because their color of their skin, and enjail them for years. The group of people who are outside of jail will manage to work for their goals, the ones enjailed won't. Then after centuries, one day, the ones enjailed get free. "Aren't you happy? You have a computer!"
>>3230484
History affects people. If it doesn't affect people, why are so many racists whining about a little change about some kids history shows?

>>3230505
>Irrelevant to USA.
Have you seen the flag? What if I told you Liberia was literally set up by the USA as an apology to former slaves and it collapsed.

>>3230505
>racists

>>3230517
Former slaves aren't trained nor experienced about economic matters. It was pretty much predictable it would collapse. Even then they were a similar case to the USA, I don't know about Libera history.

>>3230505
>Just compare it with a group of people working together till some individuals backstab the rest because their color of their skin
I don't understand what you're talking about.
You just finished saying that a black man in america with knowledge of his history can't function because of all the shame, yet here you are, functioning.
Indeed many black people manage to function, without even relying on handouts.

>>3230505
Yes history affects people and it blacks continue to blame whites for everything their history will continue to be a sad one.

>>3230533
*if blacks

>>3230529
>Former slaves aren't trained nor experienced about economic matters
What if I told you they were given training, and in fact were separated from actual slaves by generations? In fact they were guided with the help of whites for some time.
They wouldn't just give a country to some poor idiots still wearing loincloths and chains.

>>3230505
>why are people protesting historical revisionism driven by a political agenda
You got me there


>>3230529
They pretty much became the ruling class and held political power, excluding the native blacks, and built plantations much like those in the american south. Essentially an apartheid state until the civil war drove them from power.

Pretty ironic desu

>>3230532
Maybe you have a mental illness. People over here have caught the topic and keep answering correctly, meanwhile you keep avoiding the point of the example and cannot even reread the first question. Maybe you think people are robots who should be the same if they live on the same country. Pretty sad.
>>3230533
It depends.
>>3230545
I don't know. Because I didn't study Liberia history.
>>3230549
The same as ^
>agenda
As anything on history. Yet the consequences are there.

>>3230505
>History affects people. If it doesn't affect people, why are so many racists whining about a little change about some kids history shows?
You acknowledge that history is important, yet get upset about ordinary people who demand truth in children's history shows. you call them racist. Ironic.


There is a difference between forgiving and forgetting.
There's a difference between acknowledging history, and blaming literally all of your issues on it. You might understand history but you've no clue how today's world operates.
There are more factors to an individual's freedom than inheritance. Loads of blacks understand this, who vote republican and have white friends yet still know who they are and where they came from.

>>3230557
>I don't know. Because I didn't study Liberia history.
I think you should. It will help you in future debates.

>>3230557
I no longer know what you're babbling on I just don't see how protesting historical revisionism pushed in the name of (identity) politics is racist.

>>3230588
>I don't know what the word institutionalized means
You're correct though, affirmative action is literally institutionalized racism that mainly benefits blacks, other minorities and women.

>>3230557
>Maybe you think people are robots who should be the same if they live on the same country

Actually, I believe that Black people in America all behave the same because institutionalized racism forces them to. Those poor individuals, suffering because of their history! They have no choice but to rely on food stamps and hate white people!

>>3230491
Sowell is smart and makes good points but he's an ideologue for libertarianism. I like his redneck theory and other unique points but he also goofs sometimes.

>>3230584
>You acknowledge that history is important, yet get upset about ordinary people who demand truth in children's history shows. you call them racist.
My point is that it affects people. Racists over here don't consider black people as equal so they lie and change opinions quickly. That's why I made this comparison.

>You don't understand how the world's operates
And History won't be forgotten. Black people will have a history of oppresion and being treated like animals on the country they live today.

>>3230596
>>3230588
>>3230606
Political matters are irrelevant here. Go to pol for that kind of shit. If you think that History doesn't affect them, go for it and explain why.

>>3230603
My point is that History affects people. Why can't racists affect this point, if we are talking about black people?

>>3230532
Lol the existence of successful black people doesn't negate the overall history and it's effects on the general population.

>>3230614
>My point is that History affects people. Why can't racists affect this point, if we are talking about black people?
You are using words and constructing sentences but you are not making any sense.

>>3230625
accept*
Oops

>>3230625
>gets btfo
>yes, I found a typo! Haha that'll show him!

>>3230639
He probably has low IQ and is unaware of that. Let him be.

>>3230631
>>3230639
>>3230646
I don't see how "history is affecting people" is an argument for faulty historical revisionism. Maybe teach black history to black kids instead of pretending European history is also black history by adding token blacks where they have no place?

Hope you're a samefag and there's really not 3 of you idiots in here.

>>3229756
You do realize both of them were socialist

>>3230664
That isn't the topic over here. We are here discussing if History affects black people. You can create a thread to discuss for nth time if that's what you want to do.

>>3229730
Since when have African-Americans rejected him? I've seen countless images of him on black owned businesses and black homes.

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>>3229899
it's Willie Mays

Fun fact: Liberia was a fringe scheme in which a relatively small number of former slaves colonized western Africa and ruled over the native majority like a European colony. They had very little outside investment, and their economy was driven primarily by Firestone rubber plantations.

Racecucks cannot into history. Their Liberia memes are almost as bad as the "Lincoln was going to ship the slaves to Africa" meme.

>>3229730
Because despite massive amounts of historical revision, MLK jr. was against what we now call "black culture".

>>3230505
>Japanese people have a motherland and an ethnic history of accomplishment that give them pride.
so do the nigs technically. most white americans are mutts too anyways and can't really pinpoint their exact country of origin. unfortunately being 80% west bantu and 20% h'white amerimutt understandably doesn't conjure up feelings of pride and belonging.

>>3229826
>black suffered the most on history
>what are jews?

You should be thankful your people weren't gassed

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>>3229730

because he liked western civilization even though he was disenfranchised by it. for this reason pro-blacks see him as an uncle tom. he would quote white literature, reference white authors and bring up his love for bach and mozart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmtOGXreTOU

>>3229730
(((progressives))) taught the blacks to play the eternal victim. play off whitey's guilt and ask for gibes.

MLK wanted equality and for blacks to be judged on merit.

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>>3232518
*blocks your path*

>>3232565
That isn't racial guilt just socialist lite.

>>3232565
But the entire premise of Socialism is that from each according to his ability to each according to his need

>>3229826
Black people never suffered under whites. In fact their living conditions improved

>>3230142
Jim Crow laws only imposed segregation. Blacks suffered without whites to take care of them

>>3230158
Point me to one time the whites opressed blacks. They taught them everything they know and shared their society with them.

Blacks are just jealous that the white man works harder and does better in life

>>3230220
>Their ancestors were denied housing

No one denyed them housing. Buying a house in USA is easy if you are good with money

>>3232799
Drumpf didn't let blacks in his condos in the 70's

>>3232795
>/pol/ history where white men are simultaneously the victims and conquerors of history

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>>3232840
>simultaneously the victims and conquerors

every race goes through that at some point though

>>3230607
>libertarian ideologue
>supported Newt Gingrich
pick one faggot

>>3229730
Asa Philip Randolph was a better activists that accomplished more

>>3230665
Malcolm X was muslim, not a filthy marxist.