>steppe dwelling Turkic horse niggers settle in the Balkans

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>>3224020
>t. retard

They were Scytians and the Slavs adopted their script and culture, no the other way around. They also stopped an Arab invasion of Europe so they were just as important as the Franks.

>>3224041
Who were the pre bulgar Slavs? Were they related to the other balkan Slavs like Croats and Serbs?

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>>3224041
>Le savior of Europe
The Arabs were busy starving to death and the Byzs were constantly raiding their supply lines, the bulgars just delivered the mercy kill, the only reason the Bulgars attacked was because the starving Arab troops started foraging in Bulgar lands.

>>3224020
Bulgars were named Bolgar, a Turkic "boy". Like Oghuz (Turkish) or Cuman (Tatar) turkics.

They got assimilated into Slavic culture.

Which is a shame, they were bad asses when they were turkic militaristic, fucking up Byzantines left and right.

Medieval bulgar history is pretty complex.

Old great Bulgaria was a confederation in modern-day Ukraine, and their origin is uknown. A highly probable theory was that the Dulo clan(the ruling elite of these tribes) were part of the original Hunnic federation. The early rulers of Bulgar settled kingdoms claimed direct descent from Atilla.

Anyway from this confederation, the royal warrior elite split into several groups, the two primary settling in the balkans and uniting with local slavic tribes, and the other in the volga region.

The balkan-danube bulgars were never a majority, they were a ruling dynastic military elite who somehow came to rule the slavs and gradually adopted Byzantine culture primarily. They converted to Christianity, and actually there was a long struggle between Rome and Constantinople to get them in their respective spheres of religious influence.

Volga Bulgaria converted to islam and was a wealthy and successful kingdom on the silk road, but it's unfortunate location, it was constantly raided by Rus principalities, and then completely BTFO by mongols. They were the predecessors to modern Kazan Tatars and Chuvash people.

>>3224041
false
>>3224366
true

due to ottoman subjugation bulgarians dismiss any suggestion that their elite were turkic nomads who got SLAVED and assimilated later on, there are also attempts to portray the nomads as iranic rather than turkic.
I don't know which one is true, but I know some `persian` words which are deffinetly loaned after ottoman occupation around 1500s and not before to be used as evidence for `iranic` origin, which is bad sport.

Again ottoman subjugation is a big issue for bulgarians and you will meet with hostility if you imply that, in return I also met turks who claim they are %100 turkic etc.

To me they are a slavic people who were briefly ruled by nomads, probably of altaic origin but the elite adopted the culture of the masses rather than the other way around. Only the name stuck. IIrc the elite were tengriist beore converting to orthodoxy,

>>3224020
Their ancestors lived in the Balkans since forever, they just ended up adopting Slavic language, Byzantine culture and are named after a bunch of Turks.

>>3224366
By the late middle ages, The Second Bulgarian Empire was pretty different. The rulers were pretty much 100% slavicized, but there were more players in the region as well, undermining the balance. The second Tzardom was sort of a united kingdom of Bulgaria and Wallachia. The nobility was way more mixed, there was some cuman queens for example. Some part-serb blood, even byzantine inter marriages.

They still had some pretty glorious moments. For example, they competely BTFO the latins and captured their emperor.

Actually one of the worst(the worst?) and most humiliating defeats a crusader army suffered

>>3224414
Their role in the fall of the Latin empire is downplayed. They killed a Latin emperor, mortally wounded the next and exterminated all of the original leaders of the crusade.

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>>3224414

Believe me, every single Bulgarian who claims he is a descendant of steppe nomads is an absolute idiot. We have a lot LOT more to be proud of other than wewuzing we are some kind of grandsons of Attila and half-brother to the Mongols.

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>>3224419
Not only that, but their contribution to the decline of eastern Romans is also really underrated. Everyone is about muh arabs, persians, ottomans, but Bulgarians constantly fucking pushed the northern borders and not one time they also pressured Constantinople. They actually exhausted Byzantines so much from centuries of warfare. For example Basil II, a capable general and a great emperor pretty much dedicated his entire life to putting down the fuckers, when he could have been expanding on other horizons.

fucking thracians

Ok here how it goes.
>Here be Thracians
>Hello, Thracians we are Romans you are Romans now.
>Hello Romans, you are now Eastern Romans
>Hello Easter Romans we are now Slavs
>Hello Eastern Roman Slavs, we are Bulgars
>Here be Bulgarian Empire
>Hello Slavs and Bulgars I am Boris I and you are now Christians
>Here be Bulgarians
>Hello Bulgarians I am Bazil the Bulgar slayer you are now Eastern Romans again
>Here be Easter Roman Empire
>Hello Eastern Roman Empire we are Peter and Assen and you are now Bulgarians (&Wallachians) again
>Hello Bulgarians we are the Ottomans you are Ottomans now
>Hello Ottomans we are Russia, you are now Bulgarians again

Fuck if I know what am I to be honest. I'm just proud this piece of land on the map is still called the same way and it's still on the same spot as it was 1300 years ago.

>>3224452
Lotta good the fall of Byzantium did them. Fucking Orthodox faggots never realized that whilst they were dick wanging the Ottomans were have a field day.

>>3224431
t. bhoorish slavshit

>>3224495
t. thracian larping wewuzov

Original Bolgars were awesome nomadic Christfuckers who drank from the skulls of Christcucks all across Asia and Balkans.

Now they are a bunch of russian hiv+ dicksuckers totally cucked

sad.

>>3224520
A lot of pagan traditions carried to the christianized Slavs later though. So it's not as simple as "they got assimilated". It was a process of mutual integration.

bulgarians are turks who are LARPing as orthodoxes

they even have slanted eyes, I saw many at Varna

>>3225268
Funny you should say that, since the majority of today's turks are just Byzantines LARPing to be muslims. Being so similar you really get a feel why those balkan fuckers hate each other so much

>>3225268
The two bulgars I happened to meet both had blue eyes and weren't very swarthy at all. One of them had blond hair and basic looked Germanic.

>>3225268
15% of Bulgaria is Turkish I am guessing among them are the original Turkic Bolgars somewhere

>>3225383
>Funny you should say that, since the majority of today's turks are just Byzantines LARPing to be muslims. Being so similar you really get a feel why those balkan fuckers hate each other so much
Nope.
Are you that Australian who spews that bullshit?

>>3225421
>>3225421
It is highly unlikely, 99% bordering impossible that you met Bulgars. Bulgars are the original people with that name which settled in these lands. We are Bulgarians - a fucking genetic cocktail of ethnicity and cultures. Mostly in order of genetic dominance Thracian, then Slavic, Bulgar, Byzantine Greek, Ottoman and even small amounts of Celtic and Gothic DNA. But hey, it's what makes us who we are. Nationalism is so 1800s anyway. I speak the language, I live in the country that makes me a Bulgarian everything else is just a waste of words. Also less than 10% of the Bulgarians have blue eyes.

>>3225476
Well there are Gagauzes in Bulgarians who say they're original Bulgars. They even call themselves "Has Bulgar".

>>3225487
>Herp derp we're so mixed
t. every retard who does not understand a shit about genetics.

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What is their ethnic makeup? All I've seen look kinda swarthy, but that might very well be because all I've seen in media are criminals and thus likely Turkish or Gypsy

>>3225504
IDK but AFAIK they're supposed to be a mix of Slavics and "Thracians".

>>3225504
in 21st century I'd say bulgarians are 30% turkish, 20% slavic and 50% gypsy

>>3225476
and only 20% of turks are turkic so

>>3225490
Gagauz is a transliteration of Oghuz of Ghuz. Meaning western branch of Turkics like Turks and Turkmen. Nothing special.

t. ethnosociology major russian

>>3225609
phenotypically speaking, you're probably right.
>>3225615
Gagauz means "Sky Oghuz". They are either modern Pechenegs or Seljuks that had fun with Romanians.

>>3225622
Turk here

Gagauz = Gök Oghuz = Sky Oghuz

Oghuz is basically the first Khan of Turkmen peoples. Fabled to be the same person as Modu Shanyu in 200BC. Gök means sky.

So yes you are right.

>>3225622
oh and forgot to add, Gök also means "Blue" in Turkic languages so they're either "Sky Oghuzes" or "Blue Oghuzes"

>>3225622
dna shows turks are mostly anatolians

>>3225504
>>3225487
>>3225421
I'm Bulgarian and have very light hair and green/blue eyes. As a child I was sandy blonde as my whole family was / is. In terms of exact genetics I don't know but I sure as hell have no roach or tzigan blood in me. Skin is much too fair for that.

In fact if you see any blonde or fair Turks, you can pretty much guarantee it came from a Bulgarian when they took our superior women during their occupation. Nonetheless, there are a fair amount of Bulgarians with very dark complexions. I figure my blood is firmly Slavic whereas the darker Bulgarians are Bulgar, Turk, etc

>>3225268
> LARPing as orthodoxes

One of the most retarded statements i've ever read.
Bulgars(yes the original turkic ones) are the ones who first christianised south slavs, and they were the center of medieval orthodoxy at some point.

>>3225476
The turkish ethnicity in Bulgaria(around 7-8% by the way) is all from ottoman times and has zero chronological relation to original bulgars,

>>3224066
>pre bulgar Slavs
were the "seven slavic tribes"

>Were they related to the other balkan Slavs like Croats and Serbs?
no. croats and serbs were the last slavs that came from the north and settled the region, there were slavic tribes that settled the balkans before them.

>>3224419
During Byzantine times at one point they killed the emperor, lamed the next one, and killed all the aristocracy, in the same battle, and then took multiple big cities in its aftermath.
But over time they became Byzantine themselves, slippers and silks and all. Leathery nomad warrior kings come in, get fat and drunk, and decline. You've watched that movie before.

Also post-Ottoman Bulgarians probably have nothing to do with early Bulgarians. All of the "traditional" Bulgarian kitchen includes New World food, all of their traditional dances and songs are Greek or Turkish, etc. The original people are lost completely.

>>3225008
>A lot of pagan traditions carried to the christianized Slavs later though.

Such as? Jumping over fire and wearing a red band? Those are early christian cult things.

>>3228398
>The Thracians are the most numerous people in the world, excepting the Indians.

t. Herodotus

So where did these very numerous people go? They walked into the sea or something?
How come nomadic people crossed the Danube and instantly were welcomed and supported by the locals, instead of resisted?
How come nomadic people started building castles a decade after settling?
How come nomadic people could produce iron armor for themselves AND their horses?

Bulgarian is a new name used to refer to the Thracians after some sort of confederation was created. Maybe there was a foreign elite in charge, but the people sure as fuck weren't outsiders, the complete lack of rebellions against them should confirm that.

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ITT: Non-bulgarians explaining bulgarians

>>3226031
Russian rapebaby

>>3228613
Is this a Bulgarian in your picture, Krumisperih Kublaikhanov?

>>3228613
true, but the bulgarians ITT are especially retarded

>>3228541
>all of their traditional dances and songs are Greek or Turkish
that's bullshit, the folklore tradition is distinct in many ways

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>>3228659
Do we have any proofs that Huns and Skythians were mongoloid in any way?

>>3224020
they are actually turks, turkish is the most spoken language in bulgaria

>>3228707
proofs

>>3228712
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars

The paleoanthropological material from all sites in Volga region, Ukraine and Moldova attributed to the Bulgars testify complex ethno-cultural processes.[211] The material shows the assimilation between the local population and the migrating newcomers.[203] In all sites can be traced the anthropological type found in the Zlivka necropolis near the village of Ilichevki, the district of Donetsk, of brachiocranic Caucasoid with small East Asian admixtures but with Bulgar males being more Mongoloid than females.[212][203][211] Despite the morphological proximity, there is a visible impact of the local population, in the Volga region of Finno-Ugric and ancient Turkic, in Ukraine of Sarmatian-Alans, and in Moldova of Slavic people.[211] The comparative analysis showed large morphological proximity between the medieval and modern population of the Volga region.[211] The examined graves in Northern Bulgaria and Southern Romania showed different somatic types, including Caucasoid-Mediterranean and less often East Asian.[166]

>>3228719
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Bulgaria

The official language of Bulgaria is Bulgarian. According to the 2001 census, 84.5% of the country's population speak Bulgarian natively.[1]

>>3228719
eбин мeм фpeн

>>3228557
>So where did these very numerous people go

You fail to account that the balkans went through a shit load of mass murder, migration disease. At some points 70-80% of the population died to plagues. Romans were importing all sorts of people from wherever they can find to populate the region originally.
>instantly were welcomed and supported by the locals, instead of resisted?
False. They conquered and raided, like it was the fucking norm back then. Slavic tribes in the beginning were not a war-like people at all, they simply subjugated them and they sort of let themselves be ruled.
>started building castles
byzantine influence.

Actually every relevant ruler in the medieval Bulgar state utilized greek scholars, engineers, architects etc.

>>3228727
Yeah, they had so many greeks in power that there was urgent need to invent an alphabet and standardize a language and get rid of greek.
Oh wait, that doesn't make sense, and is probably wrong.

>>3228722
according to common sense you are backstabbing turkish subhumans

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Listen here kids, clan Dulo descents from the Hunnic confederation and Attila himself. That clan decides to migrate to the Balkans because of too much multiculturalism and then find the Thracians which they find suitable enough to mix with, they united and start wrecking some Byzantine shit. Later on some wild goatfuckers out of nowhere appear while our kings are squabbling over who should be king and conquer us. 500 years later we're back and start wrecking shit again only to be stopped by the dirty backstabbers that are our neighbors. Fast forward we get occupied unjustly by the ungrateful Soviet shits and they fuck up our country even more. Today we're still ruled by commie trash and our ancient history is forgotten in favor of literal escaped prisoners and peasants.

WE will be back though.

>>3228735
srbe na vrbe

>>3228734
>so many greeks in power
Nobody said that?

You know how Mongols for example used captured Persians and Chinese to advance their civilization and warfare? Like that.

>>3228735
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Bulgarian_War

After the unification of Bulgaria the Serbian king made a deal with the Greeks to attack Bulgaria, and gained permission from Austro-Hungary and Britain to attack while the Russian military command was evacuating, and the Bulgarian army was without leadership.

>>3228735
>serb calling anyone subhuman
off to jasenovac with you, scum

>>3228741
The strategy employed by, for example, Krum, does not suggest he had a greek strategos advising him.
He sacked his capital and treasury, gathered an army of everyone (including elderly and women) and got around a mountain chain to move behind the greek army that was going home packed with loot, build a wall in a narrow passage, set it on fire, and fight there.

Greeks fought differently, moving along the coast or rivers, shipping supplies so they don't have to carry them, only having aristocracy and soldiers in the army, without many camp followers, etc.

>>3228721
>proofs
Well Bulgarian folklore music is fairly popular, I should not tell you how to find that. Not as Oriental as Greek and Turk tradition, a strong preference for female vocals.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFENEcSa3Cc

Also e set of recorded belief and rituals and mythical creatures that have no analogue in the cultures to the South. Common among Slavic peoples, tho.

>>3228721
>>3228750
yeah bulgarian folklore is more eastern european than greek-turkish, but it has similarities with both

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8MVZqnjzs0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A7beekR_80

>>3228750
bulgarian music sounds like some arab shithole alahu akbar songs probably because of your turkish heritage

>>3228750
>>3228765
Sounds like Persian-Ottoman stuff.

>>3228749
>moving along the coast or rivers, shipping supplies

Correct. Greeks utilized hugging coasts very well, which was annoying as fuck.

Bulgarian specialty was always ambushes, hit and runs, retreats etc.
For example they annihilated the crusaders with an ambush type false retreat, using Cuman cavalry. See >>3224422

>>3228771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL66mjFDgqc
how does this sound

>>3228765
those songs are not performed by bulgarians, they sound very distorted, especially the second one

>>3228788
>Bulgarian specialty was always ambushes, hit and runs, retreats etc.

Yes, which is very un-greek, so we know that they didn't utilize greek strategos.
They also had to hire mercenary navies, so we know they didn't utilize greek sailors or builders.
They also had to rent a siege park, so they didn't utilize greek engineers.
And they specifically developed their own alphabet and pushed their language and church around, so who the fuck did they hire from the greeks?

The original claim was they had a lot of greek specialists, but I can't see the greek influence, other than the bulgarian king imitating the more prestigious greek king.

>>3228791
Doesn't this song specifically state "We are Muslims, servants of Allah" in Slavic?
Kind of a bad argument for you there.

>>3228541
>Also post-Ottoman Bulgarians probably have nothing to do with early Bulgarians. All of the "traditional" Bulgarian kitchen includes New World food, all of their traditional dances and songs are Greek or Turkish, etc. The original people are lost completely.
you dont know what the fuck youre talking about m8

>>3228804
>The original people are lost completely
he is right on that. us modern bulgies are not exclusively aristocratic heavy cavalry

>>3228809
proofs

>>3228802
I'm bantering the Serb, that song is in their language.

>>3228802
The joke

>>3228814
>proofs
I don't own a horse, chainmail armor, and a composite bow. Haven't murdered any Greeks lately (I do make a visit every summer, for all times sake).

>>3228802
i am over you

>>3228827
well 100 years ago they wore kalpaks and opinci, i guess those ancient long forgotten bulgarians of 100 years ago are lost to us forever

>>3228833
In a way, they are. They've passed into the next world.

>>3228804
you are backstabbing turkish gypsies, most of your traditions are from to the turks

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>>3228833
>kalpaks
Is this a turkish or a mongol hat?

>>3228796
>didn't utilize greek strategos.
Agreed here.
>also had to hire mercenary navies
They actually had their own navy at times, which makes me think its greek influenced, because there was nobody in the fucking balkans before 7th century except east romans who would maintain or need a navy.
> pushed their language and church around
Which was accomplished with.... Greek scholars.

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>>3228840
it's more similar to the one Ataturk is wearing

>>3228840
It was used by the mongols during the Yuan Dynasty. (13th century) But like most things, it would be a shared cultural item from the Northern Nomads.

>>3228846
Ivan Assen ordered some ships from Dubrovnik AFAIK, but those got wrecked by the Latins.

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>>3228840
in bulgarian it refers to any traditional hat

>>3228854
бaхти гpoзния тип

>>3228840
>kalpak srpski
>picture of a german general

Prusja srce Srbje

>>3228836
wish you were here so i could stomp the fuck out of your little serbitch head 2bh

>>3228854
>>3228864
>white shirt
>black coat
>baggy pants
>red sash
>tall hat
>excessive jewelry

Looks like a medieval turk.
But then again, so does the greek military uniform, so I guess its a Balkan thing.

>>3228871
turk this

turk that

turk turk turk turk

>>3228871
>a medieval turk
do we have any records of those?

>>3228868
>>3228871
>>3228886

Don't you children have like 2-3 containment boards? Why you gotta shit up his as well?

>>3228868
come visit me in belgrade turkish subhuman

>>3228868
prljavi turk

Serbs are hybrids between pigs and humans.

>>3228902
>>3228900
ill fuck your mothers like my great grandfather fucked your great grandmothers in ww1

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WE WUZ KINGS

fuck turkgaria

>>3228931
>>3228905

>>3228886
>>3228900
>>3228902
>>3228905
>>3228909
>>3228918
>>3228931
please dont do this
keep it on /int/

>>3228936
I haven't posted in any Servia-related threads on /his/ lately. I come here to inform.

>>3228934
>>3228902

>>3228961
Were bulgarians allergic to valleys? All of these are in the mountains.
Look at Wallachia, the big empty flag, and only in the mountains a few buildings.

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Fun fact: Servia was destroyed twice by medieval Bulgarian kings, and the most famous Servian king was 3/4 Bulgarian.

>>3228967
Fun fact: Serbia won as many World Wars as Bulgaria has lost.

>>3228965
Well yes, many fortresses were in hilly or mountainous regions, for defense purposes. Philipopolis and the seaside towns are the exception, but then again before the Bulgarians came Plovdiv was razed to the ground every two hundred years by invasions.

>>3228972
don't matter . they got cucked from everywhere while we got some territories back despite losing wars

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>>3228972
>servia won the world wars

>>3225484
When you spread lies people are going to respond with more bullshit.

>>3228846
>> pushed their language and church around
>Which was accomplished with.... Greek scholars.
nah
the guy who created the alphabet used today was bulgarian
the guys who invented the earlier one were byz though

>>3228846
>Which was accomplished with.... Greek scholars.
wrong

>>3229064
>>3229046
Well the teachers of the creators of Cyrillic were Greek romei, how about that. Bulgarian aristocracy knew Greek, and copied the emperors in Constantinople in many ways. Some of the kings grew as hostages in the City.

>>3224366
>The balkan-danube bulgars were never a majority, they were a ruling dynastic military elite who somehow came to rule the slavs and gradually adopted Byzantine culture primarily. They converted to Christianity, and actually there was a long struggle between Rome and Constantinople to get them in their respective spheres of religious influence.
>Volga Bulgaria converted to islam and was a wealthy and successful kingdom on the silk road, but it's unfortunate location, it was constantly raided by Rus principalities, and then completely BTFO by mongols. They were the predecessors to modern Kazan Tatars and Chuvash people.

this has to be one of the coolest histories in europe

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>>3229121
I personally think one of the coolest parts of Bulgarian history is how one of the brothers of Asparuh, the founder of Danube Bulgaria--that was a guy named Altsek, made it all the way to Italy, together with his tribe. They even built a statue of Altsek in an Italian town.

>>3229147
There is a catholic church there with Dulo clan symbols on the door arch.

>>3228866
Actually, the heart of Serbia is Krajina and Bosnia.

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>>3224020
cause Slavic language was the hottest thing in early medieval Europe

>>3229515
And how, and why, did Slavic-populated territories expanded so much?

>>3230184

Mainstream theory goes that slavs were pushed on all sides by the invading peoples from Asia

>>3224041
Yeah, the Scythians were using Cyrillic script, right?

>>3230273
They were pushed on all sides so that they expanded from modern Germany to Modern Kazakhstan?

>>3230292
Scythians predate the Cyrillic script by one thousand years. Bulgar migrations predate Mongols by one thousand years. Stupidity is eternal.

>>3230292
Well then why did you or whoever that was claim that the Slavs adopted Scythian "script" if the Slavs didn't even have a script until the development of Early Cyrillic?