SWEDEN YES /SY/ Destroying Archeological Findings Edition

ANGER...AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

please leave and don't come back

>>3222566
Also, I know the vikings were not that great. It does not matter whose history is destroyed it should be punished with death.

>>3222566
it is kinda fucked up, yes

>>3222566
>(((they)))
where are you quoting from?

>>3222572
you leave, buddy. this is a history board.

>>3222576
no u

>>3222566
The leftist movement tends to promote this kind of "identity" reformation. ALWAYS. All these people changed the names of the streets, profaned tombs, destroyed history, burnt "false" books. Shit like this makes me so angry. They did the same on Peru and they are trying to do it on Spain.
They literally want to take Franco out of his tomb... I'm not even pro-authority, yet these savages are obsessed about a radical delete of the culture just to resemble the past socialist countries. Goddamn I'm so fucking mad right now.

>>3222576
This is about history, or rather its destruction.

>>3222566
>/pol/ here

For fellow Scandinavians, and other people who can read swedish, please check out these pages:

https://hedniskatankar.com/2017/08/09/ola-wong-om-forstorelsen-av-det-svenska-kulturarvet/

https://hedniskatankar.com/arkeologi/

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That website contains important information related to this topic.

> Om och om igen har vi från de styrande i landet fått lära oss att ”Sveriges historia saknar betydelse”

sounds like it's a local issue, to be taken care by swedish authorities.
write a letter sweetie.

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>>3222585
forgot my pic.

>parentheses meme
Fuck off to your containment board.

Leftism seems to have s hardon for destroying culture and heritage in general. Communism caused incomprehensible damage to Chinese historical sites.

>>3222566
>((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((EBIL JOOS)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Excellent post, mate

>when capitalism literally commodifies your cultural heritage and it is somehow leftists' fault
Adorno must be spinning in his grave

>>3222607
do you think Jewish people can never do anything wrong

>>3222597
>Leftism seems to have s hardon for destroying culture and heritage in general. Communism caused incomprehensible damage to Chinese historical sites.


Yes but evil white debbil.

W E
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>>3222566

If it pisses off Swedish stormfags, I'm glad.

>>3222591
>>3222590
>>3222585
>>3222576
>>3222572
Now I know to sanitize my posts here next time because apparently you people ignore the message and focus solely on the messenger.

>>3222582
>>3222597
Anything to push their agenda. Even the destruction and removal of the confederate statues in the southern USA, I don't give a flying fuck for the confederates, but that was history. You don't destroy monuments to men who died in battle, it is wrong.

>>3222566

A fair bunch of findings, mostly on urban areas, are done when there are construction works. Today archaelogical studies are mandatory and public projects tend to respect that but they usually force archaelogist to work really quick to beging with the constructions.
And when private interests are involved the care tends to shrink some people avoid telling anoyone about findings on their private properties to avoid archaelogists stopping their projects for months. They prefer to build over archaelogical sites or just destroy then.


>Why do you need to satate that you are /pol/?Genuinely curious

>>3222630
>Why do you need to satate that you are /pol/?Genuinely curious
Seemed like a good idea to cite where I got the pasta from, it was not. Next time I will be incognito mode with a sanitized post.

>>3222582
>>3222597
>>3222628
There's literally nothing related to "leftism" in the op. Please go have your conspiracy driven childish rants to /pol/.

>>3222650
*sips tea*

>>3222630
That's not the correct way of using meme-arrows, ledditfriend.

this is the result of capitalism

every western country does that, you see when you build something new, a road, a pipe, a building, you need to move the soil, and you cant tell what that soil could hold

maybe an entirely new cemetary that shows our ideas were wrong about living and who what culture or tools they were using, but its not unearthed properly because

it costs too much time and money, yup culture makes no profit, so it has to go

thank your profit driven minds for it

>>3222705

Soviets destroyed a lot of archaeological sites.

>>3222624
kek, don't worry cuck that day is coming soon

>>3222719
At least Soviets didn't pretend to give a fuck. The problem with capitalism is that even if people did want to preserve such stuff, the profit notice overrides such impulses.

But don't let such minor nuances get in the way of your whataboutism

>>3222719
soviets introduced a law that there needs to be a probe digsite to see if theres anything, if there was the place was halted till it could be properly unearthed

thats how several sites were saved and found, until the law was abolished by construction lobby

ITT: people seriously try to claim the European lefties are responsible for budget cuts to the heritage sector.

>>3222821

Fake news.
They destroyed tons of culture and denied us so much knowledge about the past.

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>>3222566
This hurts me so much. These people are fucking insane!!!!!!

>>3222628
Lefties literally get into discord groups and work in shifts to make sure every perceived /pol/ack gets bitched at

>>3222880
Nah, those are the radical centrists. Lefties are too stupid to think of that themselves.
The "/pol/" in "/leftypol/" is there for a reason, after all.

>>3222898
either way it's pathetic, and it's being done

>>3222898
>Lefties are too stupid to think of that themselves.
That's why the nerd virgins are hired by people with plans and goals. They are foot soldiers, useful idiots.

>>3222566
>>>/pol/

Holy fuck this pisses me off >:(

>>3222880
*tips tinfoil hat*
inb4 I'm part of the conspiracy

>>3222926
You can't tip the typical tinfoil hat, its molded to your head. Unless you are some tinfoil hatter of great skill.

what the flying fuck is this thread even about, archaeology departments are underfunded, big fucking whoop

>>3222937
Instead of doing literally anything else with the artifacts they are being destroyed. Give them away, sell them on the black market, donate them to a school, throw them in a ditch, anything but take the time to destroy them forever.

>>3222926
Even if you're not you're still a sadsack
>I just feel so POWERFUL when I call out fascists on 4chan

>>3222566
Who cares, they still have higher standards of living than most rightard countries. Meanwhile Americans are dying from not being able to afford healthcare.

ISIS destroying history in middle east
Sweden destroying their own culture

nothing else is new

but if >>3222582 is correct. There seems to be overall some sort of monkeying around with history.

I mean we all know that the victors write the history books.
Maybe if they reset culture the resistance to marxism, socialism, or a one world dictatorship/republic etc... might be easier to implement becuase future generation will have nothing to tie themselves to ancient history and will only have contemporary culture as a referant.


I must say it is a brilliant , but infuraiting strategy for an ideology to impliment.

maybe the facists need to start making marble statues en masse. start casting all the ones we have now, so incase they do fall under isis we will have back ups.

I know museums have casts of smaller works, but for the larger ones something should be done.

>>3222946
They literally say in the article you've posted why they aren't doing it. But da joos and libruls amirite XDDD

>>3222946

Why not write an email to them and suggest that then?

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>>3222961
>joos

>>3222959
>for the larger ones something should be done.
Too bad we can't scan all of them with lasers or something so we have 3d models.

>>3222566

Oh no! Some rusty bits of unidentifiable metal and pottery fragments are thrown away because there's 57468845 of them in the archives and there's no more room or funding to keep them.

This happens in museums across the world every single day. Not every single bit of old shit is important.

>>3222955
>make thread about underfunding in archeology
>arbitrarily blame a conspiracy of leftists and da joos
>admit to being a /pol/tard
>after getting laughed at, make up another conspiracy to justify it
>start quoting imaginary people
What's the next step in your master plan?

>someone starts an actual history thread
>redditors SEETHING because it isn't yet another 'le spooks xD' thread
What the fuck do you people even want?

>>3222969

If only some museums were already doing just that! But nah, that can't be the case, because museums are part of (((((them)))) and are secretly seeking to destroy all the stuff in their galleries.

>>3222965
Worth a shot.

>>3222961
>Runes also say that archaeologists do not give away or sell the find to collectors, something that could save them to the aftermath. The reason is that you do not want to create a market for antiques, thus encouraging robbers to go out with metal detectors to search for their own findings.
They don't want to create a collectors market by giving or selling to collectors, so what would stop them from giving to schools? Think of the children, if someone here in america donated arrowheads to a class it would be appreciated. Rather than say smashing them because they don't have the money or time to store them.

>>3222989

It's not a history thread. It's a /pol/ thread complete with dank ((((())))) memes and a complete lack of understanding of the subject matter.

>>3223004

>implying little shits won't just smash the arrowheads, just they ruin everything else.

>>3223006
>>3222989
Speak of the devil

>>3222965
Because the article itself explains why they don't do that, meaning they already considered the idea. Of course, the thread is about /pol/ having a fit and not about the issue.

Consider the following. Tin cans are now considered antiques by most definition of the term. In 500 years, how many to cans do you reasonably expect a museum to keep hold of before they just start throwing them away?

>>3223014
That justifies destroying them instead? Because a kid might smash them?

>>3223015

>/pol/ here
>The reason is that (((they)))

What did OP mean by this?

>>3223020
>Other items thrown out are amulet rings that were ritual objects of the Forensic Swede during the Vendel and Viking times.
Not exactly tin cans.

>>3222566
Based Sweden triggering /pol/tards

>>3222987
Crashing this thread, with no janitors!

>>3223037
How is that based? I left pol a looong time ago but that is destruction of cultural heritage without blinking an eye.
that shit belongs into a museum ( queue indy theme here)

>>3223028
He copied the thread from /pol/ and left it as is because he felt he should credit his source.

>>3223032

Yeah, because we're totally talking about the state of archaeology. Definitely not just engaging in conspiracy theory about (((((them))))) and liberals right?

>>3223033

>ritual objects

Litterally archaeological code for "we don't know what this is"

>>3222987
>conspiracy
>leftists
Retard. The radical cultural change is the basis of marxism. The change of names, destruction of identity and profanation of history is what literally happened on every socialist country.

Socialdemocrats share these values too. On Spain there has been a fucking public matter about taking Franco out of his tomb for gods sake.

>>3222566
>citing a News Today article as fact

Literally the Swedish equivalent of Breitbart.

>>3223045
>/pol/ here, I know you do not like us. That being said I thought I would share this with you. I don't thing I have ever been legitimately angry at something on here. The destruction of artifacts though touches a nerve, I am truly disgusted. How often does shit like this happen? I know ISIS did similar stuff, but does anyone else?
Yeah nothing but conspiracy theories and liberals.

>>3223052

>left wingers increase funding for heritage and museums
>right wingers slash it to the bone

What did they mean by this?

>>3223052
>Retard. The radical cultural change is the basis of marxism.
Please quote anything by marx that supports this.

>>3223056

>>3222582
>>3222597
>>3222719

>>3223027

It doesn't, but let's not kid ourselves as to what will happen to them.

>>3223063

>OP injects /pol/ shit in a non-/pol/ thread
>gets called out

Why does this trigger you so much?

>>3223072
That is still a far better way to deal with them rather than throwing them in a furnace you fucking idiot.

>>3223072
No, I am not kidding anyone. What kind of shit tier school did you go to where they could not control the children?

>>3223080

Of you go then. You sort it all out.

>>3223076
Why do you feel the need to "call someone out" when they've done nothing wrong?

>>3223057
>cut museum moneys
>leftists proceed to burn and destroy the artifacts
Hmmm...
>>3223059
Cultural marxism is based on the marxist postulate that all societies are supported by their economic system and should be radically changed from that point. Cultural marxism follows the same methods of dialectical wordplay yet affirms that culture is the basis of society and should be radically changed.

>>3223089
See >>3222880

>>3223094
But lefties weren't the one slashing funding.

>implying cultural Marxism isnt the analysis of how the bourgeoise dominate culture
At least read Gramsci before sprouting your misinformation

>>3223089

>actually complaining about making posts clearer and easy to read

The absolute STATE

Ah yes, /pol/, the well known academicband trustworthy source. Leaving in that you found something there, really helps the credibility.

>>3223092

Not /pol/ with dates etc.

>>3223108
This, Gramsci is actually okay tier, even if you're a /pol/ack you should read him.

>>3223094

Perhaps they'd have more archives and more staff to examine artefacts if budgets weren't slashed

Hmmmmm.

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>>3223097
>>3223094
Nice compact chan native posting.
>>3223076
>>3223072
>>3223057
>>3223051
>>3223084
Reddit style spacing

>>3223092
because /pol/kikes need to be called out wherever they set their slimy foot

>>3223108
Slashing funding doesn't put the artifacts on the forge to be melted, anon.

>>3223094
>leftists proceed to
?
This is "profanation of history". This is fitting history to your narrative. There's nothing about leftists in OP.

>Cultural marxism is based on the marxist postulate that all societies are supported by their economic system and should be radically changed from that point.
>muh cultural marxism conspiracy
Not a real thing. And the people associated with the conspiracy, like adorno, would absolutely oppose this. On the other hand, calling "marxist" something that goes against what marx wrote is exactly the kind of "profanation of history" for ideological reasons you are supposedly opposed to.
You don't give a fuck about history and you actively distort it to fit your conspiracies, then blame the people you dislike of doing the same.

>>3223110
>I am the self-appointed arbiter of /his/'s board culture
So you're a minimodding faggot. I guess that would be what "triggers" me, to answer your question.

>>3223114
See>>3223122

>>3223120
Jokes on you, we are everywhere.

>>3223120
If you're to take it upon yourself to bitch whenever you feel like somebody might be right-wing then don't act annoyed when people bitch back. You have no friends.

>>3223116
Why do lefties post like redditors?

>>3223116

You seem intimately familiar with the way Reddit lays out its posts...

>>3223123
Wrong. Social democracies share the same slogan of cultural change. The name changing and history profanation is one click away on google.

>>3223122

Where do you out them then?

>>3223134
Not him but there's right wing people that don't act like absolute retards and shitpost all day about conspiracies of jews and leftists. For example, evolafags seem to be perfectly civilized and I have never seen anyone tell them to fuck off. If you're acting like a /pol/tard outside of /pol/ it's your fault.

>>3223142
>Wrong
Compelling argument, friend.

>>3223110
>actually complaining about making posts clearer and easy to read
You guys always go back to that. Strange how we got on for years without spacing everything, but suddenly people are trying to make everything easier to read, using the same format, across most of the boards, all at once. Almost like they came from somewhere else, all from the same place.

>>3223141
>le boilerplate redditor response
Say "this isn't your sekrit club" next, I love that one

>>3223122
But not slashing funding definitely would prevent that from happening so what is your point?

>>3223149
It's just dumb. OP's post had parentheses in two spots and now half the thread is shitflinging. Why is that necessary? Just glance over it, or say "I don't think it's the Jews" without getting all meta and gay.

This has nothing to do with Leftism per se, the Soviets did not destroy any archaeological monuments, they just blew up some irrelevant Churches to make way for government buildings.

Swedes like other Germanics are moral fanatics, 70 years ago they were fanatical nationalists and racists, but now their pendulum has gone to the way of extreme liberal left and identity politics. The Quakers in the US are very similar to that mentality nordics carry. They have a somewhat troubled and even sick brain to the lengths they go to satisfy their moral imperatives.

>>3222566
>nyheteridag.se

Hello Sweden Democrats shill.

>>3223144
I wonder how many methods there are...selling, donation, transportation, etc. And all of them possible without state funding.
possible
Destruction of material is always avoidable.

>>3223158
That slashing the funding does not mean it should happen. The funding should not have anything to do with whether or not the artifacts get thrown in the trash or melted down. Maybe put into a museum and archived, I could see it stopping that. It is not a binary option though.

>>3223162
I think the "it's budget cuts" crowd is right on this one. No need to appeal to Germanic puritanism when there's clear evidence the budget was indeed cut.

The question is *why* the budget was cut, and the answer's likely cuckservatives, but I wouldn't put it past Euro-lefties to cut funding to preservation of European artifacts specifically.

>>3223158
Banning leftists would also prevent it from happening too, yet that's not the solution.

>>3223160
Control f and look for "left" to see where the major shitflinging started.

>>3223154

As someone who's been here for years I'd say it's the opposite. Go through the archives and you'll see people posting with spaces all the time, as is/was taught in basic typing. You start a new paragraph by putting a full space/line between it and the previous one. It's only in literally the last 6 months or so that "reddit posting" has been an issue.

>>3223160
Half the thread isn't shitflinging? You are being pretty generous there. I agree though, most of the thread is not even about the destruction of history.

>>3223167

All those things cost money to do.

>>3223194
All possible without state funding. Without the social democrat state money.

I wonder which group of people decided to burn it... I'll check their relations and political party supports hehe

Whoa...so this is the power of /his/ moderation

>THE JOOOOOSSSs
>THE LEFT IS MEAN TO US

Grow a fucking pair of balls and stop being delusional

>>3223174
And again the point you are making is worthless if the funds was never slashed in the first place. Shit on their incompetence if you want, but they are not doing it for shit and giggles.

Also putting it in a museum cost money moron

>>3223176
>implying

>>3223160
If you haven't noticed this is was a bait thread from the start

>>3223204
You just told me
>Just glance over it, or say "I don't think it's the Jews" without getting all meta and gay.
Telling him he's a retard for using the parentheses meme is exactly that. I don't know what else you expected, it's tiring having /pol/tards sperg about jews 24/7. But yes, those two posts and the next one from OP started the heavy shitflinging.

>>3223209
Two sets of le meme brackets doesn't make a thread about destruction of artifacts "bait".

>>3223206
>Also putting it in a museum cost money moron
You have terrible reading comprehension. I said that putting them in museums and archived may be stopped by the lack of funding. The point you are making is worthless because the funds were slashed, but that does not mean that the artifacts have to be destroyed. I don't go smashing cool rocks I find in the road because I am not funded to take them home and archive them.

>>3223199

So you want the state to dig them up and then give them to private companies to sell?

>>3223217
Sure thing m8
The moment OP, the gigantic faggot said he was from /pol/, it was obvious this was a bait thread
/pol/tards can't help but to cry and bitch and to find excuses for their shortcomings, this is one of those threads

>>>/pol/
>>>/reddit/
Your kind is not welcome here

>>3223216
Those posts were not the aggressors in the shitstorm. They were discussing the topic, granted with a biased view, but on topic nonetheless.

>>3223216
>literally quadruple the posts from kvetching lefties, and starting before /pol/'s posts that were perhaps dumb but not exactly attacks on other posters
>/pol/ started the shitflinging!
Okay.
Notice I left this post out:
>>3222615
That's constructive discussion. It's written in a smarmy tone, but it's still basically a good post.
>reeee /pol/ I hate parentheses reeee
Is not, that's shitflinging.

>>3223231
>so you want to not destroy them?
Hmm?
>private companies
Yeah yeah we get it, you hate private companies. Now go keep goalshifting.

>>3223241
Then the people telling responding to them are on topic too and this isn't a shitflinging thread.

>>3223232
>doing the gay little 4chan formality of saying "Hey guys /board/ here" is bait
How?

>>3223248

How do you get that from my post? Most archaeological digs are organised and funded by the state. How are artefacts to be sold "without state funding" without them being passed on to a private company?

>>3223249
No, not really.
>I think the left just likes to destroy artifacts
Is stating your opinion about why the artifacts are being destroyed.
>I disagree, capitalist parties in power cut funds and that's why the artifacts are being destroyed
Is also doing that
>fuck you go back to /pol/ you le BIGGIT MAN FACE!! (()) BOTHERS me
Is shitflinging.

>>3223249
That's some fucked up logic you got there. If I tell someone whos discussing artillery that they are a faggot and they punch me in the face, we are no longer on topic.

>>3223275
Are you saying people organize into groups to influence imageboards? Nice tinfoil hat
>inb4 I'm a part of the conspiracy

>>3223218
Putting it in museums cost money you moron. They are not for profit.

>funds were slashed, but that does not mean that the artifacts have to be destroyed.
Repeating your statements doesn't make it any more true

>>3223273
>>3223279
"Leftists are behind X" with no further proof is a worthless post. What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That being said, the opinion was in fact engaged. But as I said before, people are tired of this shit for obvious reasons.

>>3223292
How fucking stupid are you. I am not saying that museums are free you fucking retard. I am saying that without funding putting items into museums may be stopped BECAUSE IT COSTS MONEY

>>3223269
>>3223292
Simple. State funding cuts from a social democrat government doesn't obligue the people to destroy the artifacts.>>3223167

The destruction is always avoidable.

>>3223302
The opinions were voices with the presumption of preexisting knowledge in that area. The problem was not those posts it was the ones who were upset about (()) and /pol/ and wouldn't stop screaming about it.

>>3222582
>Blaming leftists
>When conservatives at Lomma county sent it to the junkyard because it was cheaper
top kek

>>3223316

And as pointed out those things all cost money.

>>3223329
Because the ((())) implies another opinion that is asserted without evidence and can be dismissed without evidence.

>>3223340
Put up a craigslist ad, "FREE ANCIENT ARTIFACTS"

>>3223306
That is not what you said
>Maybe put into a museum and archived I could see it stopping that.

>>3223257
Stop pretending to be retarded

>>3223302
>"Leftists are behind X" with no further proof is a worthless post
>What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
I agree, it's a dumb opinion. Whatever people may say about the predominance of the left in academia, it's still run rather well for what it is, but the opinion is still just a dumb opinion, not a verbal attack on individual posters.
>That being said, the opinion was in fact engaged.
By the people saying that capitalists commodifying culture and then making budget cuts is a more obvious driving force in the destruction of artifacts, yes. Not by the "ree you're /pol/" autists.
>people are tired of this shit for obvious reasons.
That's your business, keep it to yourself. "Self-moderating" isn't moderating at all, it's the opposite. It's shitting up the board. A lot of the people here are /pol/acks, whatever. If they happen to have stupid opinions, tell them why their opinions are stupid, not that they're /pol/ and you feel like a big boy because of rules you aren't tasked with enforcing.

Any board on 4chan is going to be repetitive, that's the nature of 4chan.

Why don't they just offer them at auction? It's a win-win. Hell, even our police service does this with goods seized.

>>3223354
With the "it" being the slashed funding.
>Maybe put into a museum and archived I could see [slashed funding] stopping that.

>>3223340
Which doesn't imply state money.

You cannot literally make any of this shit up hehe

Destruction is always avoidable.

>>3223355
I'm doing nothing of the sort, you're actually retarded for getting mad every time somebody says they happen to use /pol/.

>>3223355
How is he being retarded? People have been doing that forever here.

>>3223369
For fuck sake, proofread your post before you release it

>>3223371
t. retard

>>3223371
>>3223380
Engaging /pol/tards in any sort of conversation will bring /pol/tards crying and bitching about jews, leftists, liberals, women, etc etc
It's better not to engage their kind outside of /pol/
Anyone with two brain cells can see this

>>3223370

But then requires the artefacts discovered with state money, to be handed over to a non-state, private company/organisation. These are artefacts too commonplace or damaged to be of interest to the museum. You think these private companies are going to buy them?

>>3222844
your little fascist ass is fake new, how dare you shitstain, i worked on those, fuck you and die in cancer

>>3223368

Arranging and overseeing the sales and dealing with all the bullshit that goes alone with it costs money. Probably a lot more than theyd make back. The artefacts being discussed here aren't exactly the Sutton Hoo helmet or Rosetta Stone.

>>3223412
>Walk up to school
>Here, have some artifacts for the classrooms
Cost = gas money

>>3223417

Yay! Some random pieces of twisted metal and pottery fragments! Thank you so much Mr. Museum Man!

>>3223381
OK, so we have established that you understand I was saying museums are not free and slashed cutting will stop their usage as a means of artifact preservation. Now, back to the original argument. Just because you do not have the funding to preserve an item in a museum, and are unwilling to sell it, does not leave destruction of the item as the only option.

>>3223417

Yes, it's that easy isn't it? No records need keeping. Which school gets which artefact doesn't need to be organised. Making sure each school gets a similar level and number of artefacts doesn't need to be organised. This is government we're talking about too, so there'd be 5875 layers of health and safety and risk assessment to make sure little Erik doesn't slash his hand open.

>>3223397
>Engaging /pol/tards in any sort of conversation will bring /pol/tards crying and bitching about jews, leftists, liberals, women
Ethnic identity, gender dynamics, and political groups play pretty important roles in history, dude.

>>3223427
>But the archaeologists did not have the resources to take care of everything and were forced to "grind" a large number of objects, that is, send them to the shots. Among other things, a variety of coins and buttons, a knife and a ring.

>Other items thrown out are amulet rings that were ritual objects of the Forensic Swede during the Vendel and Viking times.

>>3223443

Once again, ritual object is archaeological code for "we can't figure out what this is for". A corroded, twisted """ritual""" ring is still utterly worthless

>>3223440
Sure, I wouldn't mind discussing it, however, the way /pol/tards engage in those topics are always with shitposting in mind, or crying and bitching about it without giving anything of value to the discussion
They are not very smart
For that reason, it's better not to engage /pol/tards outside of /pol/

>>3222566
>/pol/ here, I know you do not like us.
Why did you say this? No one will take you seriously here. You're either retarded or looking for attention and baiting. And why the ((they)) comment? It's harder to take you seriously.

>>3223399
In this case the matter would be discussing the importance of such findings and objects.

>>3223454
>Among other things, a variety of coins and buttons, a knife and a ring.
Are not utterly worthless though, besides, you are donating something to the school that has historical value, not monetary.

>>3222680

You are too dumb to understand.

>>3223478

In most cases they are worthless in an historical sense too. Degraded, corroded bits of metal that can only be identified as such by experts.

>>3223455
Plenty of people shitpost. If it's a genuinely shitty post like calling you jidf for having an opinion, then yeah, that stuff should be deleted, but a post like "I think society was better off when wombyn were subordinate", if that's done with the intention of discussing gender history from a pro-patriarchal perspective then there's nothing wrong with that.

>>3223590
Nop
Never engage /pol/tards outside of /pol/, that's the golden rule
They will end up acting like monkeys, flinging shit around, 100% of the times

>>3223719
This, but apply the same rule to anyone who expresses partisan beliefs and attempts to inject their political biases into the conversation. /pol/, /leftypol or otherwise.

>>3222566
FUCKING LEAVE RIGHT NOW

>>3222566
>let me tell you about your country

>>3223738
Agree

>>3222582
I don't think he Came from /Pol/ to /his/ for /Pol/tier shitty reactions,

Andbtw theTrump administration has cut the budget die history institutions tremendously so do not start shouting your retarded political retoric on this board we're all sick of it

>>3222615
Lol you're right

>Spurging out over muh leftists and social marxists destroying history to kill the white race
>OP article basically says they're throwing this shit away because they don't want to pay for its upkeep

What the fuck is wrong with you people? Is this seriously the lense with which you view everything?

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>>3222566

>>3222566
Fuck off the nearest bridge

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>>3223040
What most people don't seem to get (because I guess they have no actual interest in archeology and historical preservation) is that the sad truth is that we can't save every small scrap of iron or piece of pottery. There is neither space nor money for it. We should be glad that they at least fund an excavation to see if there is anything unique worth saving for future generations (while a pottery shard is cool and all, the relevant museums already have a huge surplus of it), instead of just starting construction immediately. And Runer is right in saying that selling it to a private individual and creating a market for such things could increase the chances of grave robbery (which would destroy heritage that has preserved for future generations), which is something that unfortunately already occurs.
Of course, I wish they could find a better alternative than throwing it away, but with what resources? The culture department is criminally underfunded (As most people, in most places, don't seem to have the biggest of interest in culture for the most part), and increasing it would mean reallocating resources from other departments like education, healthcare or the also underfunded military (things people care more about than culture and history). We could solve it by increasing taxes, but they are already quite high in Sweden.

TL:DR, I guess OP can't read, and have no real interest in the topic, because nowhere does it say that this was done as an attempt to destroy Swedish cultural heritage.

t. Someone who can actually read and who's family member actually works with the preservation of Swedish heritage. (Including, but not limited to, deciding if a company gets to build on a certain plot of land and which group of archeologists that will take care of any excavation that is necessary, which it always is if the site is a grave site or a former village, and allocating the budget)

>>3224230
Damn, you go anon
The response i would expect on this board

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>>3222566
Wew Lad I did NOT need that today, what the fuck is wrong with Sweden? I thought they were some sort of paragon of civility and progress

>>3222575
He's not actually quoting. He's just "enhancing" a paraphrasing with personal opinion.
t. swede.

>The amount of angry libtards outing themselves as pissy autistic virgins ITT
Of course you don't give a shit about history. Why are you here on this board again? Shitposting about communism all day?

Kill yourselves. You'll never get laid.

>>3224562
Bad governmental decisions lead to budget cuts in low-priority establishments, which forced some of them to cull less-valuable stock as cheaply as possible. Welcome to capitalism.

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>>3224230
There are alternatives. You can sell them to foreign museums, you can DONATE them if no one is buying, you can start a campaign to raise funds, you have a lot of alternatives.

It is a destruction of Swedish cultural heritage because of the disdain had and the lack of effort to solve this problem. The disregard alone is an insult to it. It's like your carpet started burning but you don't put it out because "Well, what CAN we do to avoid this from spreading to the rest of my house? It's not like I have a readily available source of water to drowse this tiny flame!".

Face it, there's a modern disregard for Sweden's cultural heritage in modern Sweden.

>>3225052
>because of the disdain had and the lack of effort to solve this problem.
Or maybe it is because austerity and the fact that no one really cares to prevent the funding from being slashed?

>>3222566
>(((they)))
Everything is about Jews for you people, perhaps you don't understand that just because it's old doesn't meant its has values. So they send a couple of coins, buttons and knifes for recycling. is that such a big loss when they have hundreds of others like them?

>>3225065
Again, there are alternatives. You don't see Italy tearing down the Coliseum because they're in dire need of some extra cash and they're in an arguably worse position than Sweden.

Just stop. You've no way to justify this.

>>3225072
Yeah, let's tear down the Arc of Triumph, it's just a couple of stones put together amirite?

>Being this fucking naive and childish
I HOPE you grow up. Get a fucking grip, son. Why are you on this board?

>>3225077
>let's tear down the Arc of Triumph
Sure if you get 10 others just like them
>Missing my point this fucking badly
Why are you here if you are just going to miss everything?

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>>3225077
I justify by saying that the Swedish people do not give a fuck anyway or are not economically fuck over to do so.

>All ancient knick knacks has the same the value as the Arc of Triumph
Hyperbolic as fuck

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>>3225052
Swede here, there's nothing leftist about it. It has always been written in the law that objects found by archeologists are for museums, not private collectors. When museums don't want it, there's no reason to keep it.

Fuck off pol, I don't go to your board because I don't like seeing the rampant misinformation, how about you stay there.

>>3225096
>100 dollars to kill myself
That's a terrible deal

>>3225077

No, you saw parts of Pompeii falling appart while they looked for a sponsorship for the Colliseum.

>>3225105
For a retard like you it is a steal

>>3225113
I'm not the poltard

>>3222624
How sad that sturmfergs are the only ones who care about history.

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Ok to this single faggot that whines every thread about the polacks, if they annoy you so much why you still lurk here? there are a thousand different forums free from them you'd enjoy more, but you have to go to 4 chan, the sea of piss of all places and demand sanitization? Give me a fucking break, this is the den of the scum of humanity and proud to be so, these people don't care if they are racist/misogynistic or whatever liberal buzzword you call them and they shouldn't, this is an anonymous imageboard for christ fucking sake.

But perhaps you want to go back from that place you came from....

>>3225158
>But perhaps you want to go back from that place you came from....
And that place is 4chan...

>>3225077

People travel from across the globe to see the Colliseum. Noone is travelling to Sweden to look at a rusty , barely distinguishable knife blade and a button.

>>3225132
oh my bad senpai

>>3225166

That's not how you spell NeoGaf

You admitted yourself, If you want to stay here, just stop being a bitch, see I'm a lefty too but i don't cry like a pussy whenever some faggot is being racist on an anonymous imageboard, this place shouldn't be sanitized because of you, learn the rules and live by them, ignore trolls and stop posting like you just choked on your dad's cock, most people here have been around since 2003, we can see it.

>>3222566
Yeah, that sucks, but it's not simple. Just like how it also sucks that libraries have to burn thousands of books every year, but there's no easy fix.

You can really tell who the Americans are in this thread. Not every bit of old shit is important. Not every bit of old shit is worth preserving. Museum vaults and archives are packed floor to ceiling with old shit. Actual important old shit, not ANOTHER ring or pot sherd that's identical to the 300 others in that museum alone. There's so much old shit in Europe, in places you can litterally reach down at random, pick up a handful of dirt and find ancient artefacts. It's all more of the same unless it's something spectacular.

OP is no different from those women that have the need to announce to the whole world that they are female.

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>>3225052
>here are alternatives. You can sell them to foreign museums, you can DONATE them if no one is buying.
We are not talking about something like pic related here, but small bits of iron and pottery. No foreign museum would want it, because 1) They probably have some already 2) It is very common, and relatively uninteresting.
These are the types of finding they find in abundance during every excavation, we can't save every speck of metal just because it happens to be 1000 years old, resources should be conserved for greater findings (Like an intact sword or helmet, or something smaller of greater significance).
>you can start a campaign to raise funds, you have a lot of alternatives.
Like what happened when the Vasa ship, something of great historical value, was discovered? If you think people should start a fundraiser every time a shard of pottery can't find a shelf to be left on you are delusional.
>It is a destruction of Swedish cultural heritage because of the disdain had and the lack of effort to solve this problem.
Disdain? They are not destroyed because of any disdain held against them, but because they can't save every last bit of scrap they find. It is not because a lack of effort, but because a lack of money and space, which should be saved for findings of greater importance.
>It's like your carpet started burning but you don't put it out because "Well, what CAN we do to avoid this from spreading to the rest of my house? It's not like I have a readily available source of water to drowse this tiny flame!".
This is a very bad analogy. It's not like this action spreads destruction to other objects, like fire. They haven't started burning down castles to make room, and they won't either.
>Face it, there's a modern disregard for Sweden's cultural heritage in modern Sweden.
Not more than in any other country I would imagine, actually I think Sweden does more for preservation than most. But let's face it, you're not interested in the truth.

>>3225092
>Sure if you get 10 others just like them
That's not how history works, you don't cherrypick.

>Missing my point
Your point is shit. Clearly you've no integrity whatsoever because apparently you're advocating for tearing shit down because "LOL THERE'S PLENTY OF 'EM".

>>3225096
Yeah, I'm sure the guys who were burning Greek statues for limestone were thinking "There's plenty of these knick knacks laying around", it doesn't mean they were right.

You don't cherrypick, you either value history and its objects as a whole or you don't value any.

>I justify
You can't justify it. Again, unless you're here to shitpost and nothing else, there's literally not a single justification for doing so.

>Moefag is also a dumb fuck
Shocking.

>>3225103
>Being this obsessed with /pol/, a board I haven't visited in over 5 years
The state of your life, having an obsession with a 4chan board.

>Swede here
No wonder you're advocating for this and bitching about /pol/. Way to live up to your stereotypes, you libcuck.

>>3225328
Where is the historical value of something that you have an overabundance off? Supply and demand cracka, supply and demand.

>>3225328

>indistinguishable bits of metal and broken pottery fragments are the same as statues

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>>3225175
Not an argument.

>>3225302
>but small bits of iron and pottery
See >>3225328
You don't get to cherrypick. Either all are valuable or none are valuable.

>If you think people should start a fundraiser every time a shard of pottery
Maybe do a proper one that can cover this several times over instead of managing your money so poorly you have to destroy history you fucking retard.

>They are not destroyed because of any disdain against them
The blatant disregard implies disdain. Again, you do not cherrypick. SOLUTIONS exist, widely available. There are ROMAN SKULLS WITH SPEARS THROUGH THEM in Argentina. I'd rather have it well in the middle of bumfuck Latin America than have it destroyed and replaced by something else. Have some fucking integrity.

>Bad analogy
Calling it so doesn't make it so.

>Not more than in any other country I would imagine
Pic related, lol.
Inb4 No True Scotsman.

>>3225339
>>3225346
Either all of them are valuable or none of them are valuable. You. Do. Not. Cherrypick.

Maybe go to a university, work for a degree and have some integrity shoved into your NEET bodies instead of shitposting online based on Wikipedia articles you autistic virgin fucks.

>>3225346
Broken pottery can have some value, given that they can be like a vinyl record.

>>3225364
You. can't.fucking. keep. them all

Btw nobody likes Mona Salin in Sweden and she is currently under investigation for massive tax frauds.

>>3222566
Mods you seriously need to go fuck yourselves, it's not even subtle at this point, you fucking deserve what is happening to this site

>>3225328
>you either value history and its objects as a whole or you don't value any
The kind of random (non) logic that makes it obvious a person is stupid.

>>3225364

And from which university did you gain your archaeology and/or museum studies degree, that you are so able to pontificate so wisely?

Please, tell us how a rusty bit of indistinguishable metal is just as valuable as the Vindolanda Tablets or Rosetta stone?

Did you not think that Roman skull in Argentina is there, precisely because it has a spear through it? If it was an otherwise normal Roman skull, it'd be in a storage box in a provincial museum or reburied where it was found. There's so many Roman skulls and bones that only the most unusual and noteworthy are put on display.

>>3225387
Yes. You. Can.

The US has more museums than it has McDonalds. It's feasible if you do shit right instead of paying for welfare for 15% of your population.

>nobody likes Mona Salin in Sweden
That's irrelevant. A lot of people think like her.

>>3225391
You have to go back.

>>3225420
>This Sociology student wannabe (because he's literally too dumb to get admitted into any Uni) talking
Rich.

>>3225428
No you fucking can't, we might as well go back to lead water pipers if we are going to have a mindset like that.
>It's feasible if you do shit right instead of paying for welfare for 15% of your population.
oh don't you fucking dare bring up government spending bitchboy, it's an argument you Americans will always lose.

>>3225428

>this is what people who saw Indiana Jones once, thinks the heritage sector is like

Museums barely have funds to have paid staff these days and you think they can take in every bit of junk that crosses their way if they just try extra super hard?

>>3225428
>This Sociology student wannabe
Making up an imaginary story to justify yourself confirms your retardedness

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>>3225328
>>3225364
>>3225428

>That's not how history works, you don't cherrypick.
But it is how museums and the conservation of findings work. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>Yeah, I'm sure the guys who were burning Greek statues for limestone were thinking "There's plenty of these knick knacks laying around"
Once again with the bad analogies. An ancient greek statue =/= an old iron nail.
>You don't cherrypick, you either value history and its objects as a whole or you don't value any.
>You don't get to cherrypick. Either all are valuable or none are valuable.
By this logic you should not be allowed to cut wood because "all life is sacred, you don't get to cherrypick"
>Maybe go to a university, work for a degree
Oh, like you never did?
>Pic related, lol.
I love how you complain about cherrypicking, while using a cherrypicked quote from a cherrypicked individual.
>Broken pottery can have some value, given that they can be like a vinyl record.
Everything is obviously checked before they decide to keep it or not.

>>3225428
>The US has more museums than it has McDonalds.
Yeah, like most countries i imagine.
>It's feasible if you do shit right instead of paying for welfare for 15% of your population.
I know it is difficult for an American to imagine a nation that actually cares for its inhabitants.
>That's irrelevant.
It is relevant when you try to judge a country of 10 million based on her quote.
>A lot of people think like her.
And I presume you have a study to back up this claim?

I cant be bothered reading all the autistic raving in this thread so I dont know if this has been said or not.

The reason why the items are destroyed is because of cuts in archaeology fundings that forces them to make quick bucks on shit like this. Who is it that want to stop funding "useless science" (read: everything that isnt STEM) The left or the right?

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>>3222666

>>3222928
This. If you tip your tinfoil hat it's because the government told you to because your hat wasn't tight enough to stop the mind control rays.

>>3225158
>that screencap

It's obvious that that's a falseflagging /pol/tard. Your jewish subversion tactics won't work on me.

>>3225427
Finished my Bachelor's in Cambridge, my Military History Master's degree in Sorbonne, spent a year in Salamanca to further my Medieval History studies and another year at Humboldt U (both as a part of the Erasmus program). I'm working currently and I'll start my PhD in October.

All of the above is completely irrelevant and a Bachelor's degree at the university of Pisa would be more than enough to tower above 90% of the NEETs on this board, you included, who advocate for destroying history because "LOL KNICK KNACKS".

Again, either all of them are valuable or none of them are valuable.

The point flew over your NEET head, not surprising. The point is that it's a ROMAN skull in ARGENTINA, you autistic cretin. Try to digest that for a bit before you make haste for another IQ lowering post.

>>3225445
>No you fucking can't
>His response is "NUH-UH"
Nice argument.

>Americans
Nice try. So basically you were gonna try to weasel your way out of this by playing the American card? Shows how shallow your """"arguments"""".

>>3225450
>Projecting
Nice.

>Museums barely have funds
If European museums have a shortage of funds, there are others who would take them. Again, Roman skull in Argentina. I don't know how much more blatant can I be. Or are Italian museums also underfunded?

>>3225453
>Struck a nerve in the non-degree having retard
Lol, have fun being a janitor.

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>>3225495
>it is how museums and the conservation of findings work
Again, there are solutions. I don't understand why you keep pretending that it's either Swedish underfunded national museums or the furnace. It seems to me like the defeatist mindset you have that allowed your country to fall into shambles is creeping into everything else you have going on.

>They're bad analogies
>Why?
>I just say they are and that means they are!!
Nice """argument""".

>By this logic you should not be allowed to cut wood because "all life is sacred, you don't get to cherrypick"
Now not only is that a PERFECT example of a bad analogy, it's also a Strawman. Nice try, attempting to weasel yourself out of this.

>Like you never did
Read my previous post. I'm more qualified than the overwhelming majority of this board to speak on these subjects. You on the other hand, don't have a degree.

>Cherrypicked example
A politician who got votes. A lot of people think like her. Quit pretending this isn't your mentality you defeatist loser.

>Everything is obviously checked
>If this autist with no degree and no life experience says so, IT MUST BE SO!
You'd be surprised with some of the shit that goes on behind the scenes in some archaeology courses. But again, you'd be surprised to see yourself in any academic environment considering how stupid and limited you are.

>Yeah, like most countries I imagine
Way to miss the point.

>American
>The smug Swede trying to weasel out of this by playing the American card
Read above. Not American. You're just trying to divert attention from your shitty country into another one because you lack the arguments to justify what's going on there.

>Relevant
Read above. She's a person of prominence. Not just some random hobo on the street such as yourself. Quit pretending this isn't your mentality, weakling.

>I presume you have a study
Pic related. Again, politician, votes, people back her.
You're the typical Swede, getting humiliated.

>>3223235
Just ignore the /pol/ part and answer is question

>>3222566
>The reason is that you do not want to create a market for antiques, thus encouraging robbers to go out with metal detectors to search for their own findings.
Yeah, a real shame that someone would go find and sell something like that, better to just fucking destroy it right?

>>3227556
>If European museums have a shortage of funds, there are others who would take them.
Eh, not really. Most artifacts are never displayed because they aren't interesting enough.

>>3227556
History is irrelevant and none of it is valuable. Stop egostroking yourself, debtslave.
>military history
Wehraboo?

>>3227687
>history is irrelevant
then why are you here?

>>3227556
You're a pretty shitty historian if you believe in an article from mainstream media.

>>3222582
How is this related to leftism?

>>3222844
>They destroyed tons of culture and denied us so much knowledge about the past
Name one time thi shappened aside from churches being destroyed.

>>3222987
You moron, the denigration of history is the result of modern degenerate leftism.
>>3223052
this
>>3223059
He calls for Revolution of all places. It's the same with Bakunin. These radical "lefties" ,they shouldn't even be called that since being left wing isnt inherently bad but has been highjacked, want to destroy everything of the past.
>>3223206
>>implying
>implying it wouldn't

Why are poltards so simplistic and reductionist, Christ

I get throwing away old bits of useless Metal and clay, but rings are fucking cool. I'd love to have a vendel-era ring.

>>3227721
wHy ArE yOu SuCh A lAzY nIgGeR?

>ppl who never worked for museums ITT

they usually have a huge storage located somewhere which isnt their main building, i worked in one of them, everything is cataloged and stored, since culture is not profitable, its gona be enough for a very long time, not alot of new findings were sent in, thanks to widespread practicing of ignoring archeo findings

>>3227702
Because this isn't a history board?

>>3227732
Oh, right, sorry. I forgot this is a humanities board.

>>3227556

>if I keep screaming NEET it'll make my point somehow

So much education and they forgot to teach you one of the basic principles of modern archaeology: you can't save everything. I'd ask for a refund.


There are solutions and they all cost money. Say they shipped it to another museum. First they need to be inspected and conserved to make sure they survive the jouney. This takes a conservator, lab supplies and time in a lab followed by it all being written up. Then they need to be packed up, also requiring a conservator, supplies and time. Then they need to be insured in case something happens to them. Taking up time for someone, probably a curator, to organise and costing literal money. Then they need to be shipped, requiring a courier, possibly a specialist, to make sure they get them at all. Then they need unpacking, conserving, recording, insuring etc etc by the people at the other museum. ALL of which costs money.

You keep bringing up that it's a ROMAN skull in Argentina. How many ROMAN skulls are there in Argentina WITHOUT spears through them? How many completely ordinary, normal ROMAN skulls are there in Argentina? How many bits of indistinguishable "copper alloy" are there and how many bits of fragmented pot sherd? Did you not consider that one is only there because it's wierd and unique, not because of some altruism on the part of Argentina?

>>3227713
>You moron, the denigration of history is the result of modern degenerate leftism.
Is it? Because that sounds more like good old capitalism to me.

>>3227749
Why can't they just give them to the people who want them, though?

>>3227752
>He tried to make an alarm in a debate article in the journal Popular Archeology (No. 4/2016), showing how arbitrary thinning occurred. Especially in archeological studies before construction and road projects, the focus is on quickly and cheaply removing the heritage so that the machine tools can handle.

>Often, especially in the case of minor excavations, it is a standing order from the county administrative boards that as few discoveries as possible should be taken.

>It is the county boards that make procurement of archaeological companies to carry out archaeological investigations. An easy way to lower the cost is to reduce the number of items to be preserved.

>Ceramics require no preservation and are usually saved. However, iron and metal must be treated after perhaps a thousand years in the field. So if the company puts in its bid funds for conserving two metal objects but finding twelve then they have to throw ten. In metal recycling.

>>3227756
ppl are generally shitty when it comes to preserving things

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>>3227767
>OP whines about the state destroying muh heritage to save costs
>keeps silent when private company do it for the exact same reason

>>3227771
As opposed to sending them away to be melted down?

>>3227795
one gets recycled the other is wasted, i guess
>>3227780
obviously since most of us live in democracies, the state represents the interest of the private sector, and in this case the construction sector, which is actively profiting from destroying history

>>3227795
>implying giving it away won't also destory its quality
if it gives them enough money to preserve other stuff why not?

>>3227804
>democracies, the state represents the interest of the private sector
>private
Wew lad

>>3227756

Probably because very few people want mangled bits of indistinguishable oxide?

>>3227805
They get almost nothing for it anyways.
>>3227815
But they exist, anon.

>>3227823
almost nothing >>> nothing

>>3227824
No, it really isn't. They pay, like, $10 for 100 pounds of scrap metal.

It's quite baffling how /pol/ misinterpret facts. It's all about saving money, not about destroying history. Comparing it to Communist revolutions is completely absurd. If you want to be taken seriously stop twisting facts.

>>3222566
>/pol/ here
What the fuck are the mods doing?

>>3227833
Let me check my math annnnnnnnnnnnnd it is significantly higher than $0! Not even counting the upkeep costs of holding it

>>3227823

Theydon exist, sure, but they're so rare as to be not really worth considering.

Perhaps a solution could be to put out a list of what's being thrown away, anyone can take it, so long as they arrange everything and pay for it all. That'll separate out the people who scream bloody murder over it but never actually put their money where their mouth is.

>>3227846

*they do exist

>>3227839
>not even counting the upkeep costs of holding it
Putting it in a cardboard box near the entrance labeled "free to take" costs nothing. You're literally getting 10 cents per pound, its not even worth trying to scrap it at that point. You could honestly make more money selling them to people who are interested in them, like what >>3227846 said.

>>3227810
sharters should be banned from this board

>>3227854
Which will create a seller's market and encourage "robbers to go out with metal detectors to search for their own findings"

If your solution to selling heritage as commodities(scrap metal) is actual commodification of heritage then you need to stop posting

>>3227854
It's possible that doing this would be against the law.

>>3227862
>which will create a seller's market and encourage robbers with metal detectors to search for their own findings
Oh, the humanity! People going out and selling scrap metal to each other so museums can't melt them down!
If you seriously think random assholes with metal detectors can actually locate artefacts as well as historians, then you, sir, need to stop posting here.

>>3227854
>>3227862

I was thinking more along the lines of them being given away absolutely free, but the person receiving them has to do all the legwork. Something along the lines of "we'll have the thing in a box/zipock bag at reception. It'll be there for <insert time span here>. After that if you don't pick it up or have someone pick it up for you, it gets binned".

>>3227869
They can destroy more than you think.

>>3227869
Pretty sure the difficulty of archaeology is not finding relics but preserving and analyzing them moron

>>3227884
>the difficulty of archaeology is not finding relics
Tell that to carter, faggot

>>3227869

They do. It's called nighthawking and it's a serious problem. It doesn't take a genius to work out that there might be artefacts near an historic site.

>>3227891
>serious problem
>Nighthawking was the subject of a study[5] undertaken by Oxford Archaeology and collectively funded by English Heritage, Cadw, Historic Scotland, National Museum, National Museum of Wales and the Portable Antiquities Scheme. The primary aim of the study, 'Nighthawks and Nighthawking: Damage to Archaeological Sites in the United Kingdom and Crown Dependencies caused by illegal searching and removal of antiquities' , was to assess the level of damage caused by Nighthawking to British archaeological heritage and to study the adequacy of current law in dealing with Nighthawking. The review, which cost the taxpayer £66,000, proved that over the ten-year study period, attacks on archaeological sites equated to fewer than 1.5 incidents a month and was far from the crimewave some archaeologists believed it to be.

>>3227895
thats about already existing digsites
ppl go on "treasure" hunting with their detectors, a little bit of knowledge is required to struck something, such as elevated places near riverbeds, next to dried up riverbeds, with a bit of practice, this "hobby" can be fruitful (and damaging)

>>3222628
>Now I know to sanitize my posts here next time because apparently you people ignore the message and focus solely on the messenger.
It's like the fable of the boy who cried wolf. All those reddit recruits on /pol/ are hell bent on shitting up the board by injecting politics into any and all subjects, and proselytises by shitposting because /his/ is both a soft target that the mods simply do not give a fuck about and one of ideological importance. Don't be surprised when the posters that just wanted to discuss history tell you to fuck off even if you've finally posted something relevant and concerning.

>>3227835
This, it's as insane as the fact that there's literally only one person pointing out that the idea about leftists wanting to destroy history is absurd when it's literally a leftist telling people that the shit these conservatives are doing is destroying history.

>>3227895

Those 1.5 incidents can completely fuck up a dig and ruin any information actual archaeologists could find.

It's also a world wide issue, especially in Eastern Europe. Take a glance at eBay. A lot of the artefacts on there are blatantly from recent, unofficial digs. Especially WW2 personal items that are frequently offered in disturbingly "dug up" conditions.

>>3227903
1.5 incidents a month from KNOWN digsites, i doubt that random people "treasure hunting" is resulting in much more.

>>3227890

Carter didn't have ground penetrating radar, satellite imaging etc etc.

>>3227904

No it isn't, you absolute god-damned faggot. And the reason for this?

Because /pol/ is always right. Always.

Good work OP.

>>3227925
Who the fuck uses radar and sound penetrating imagery to hunt for random bits of metal?
>>3227911
The point is that the amount of nighthawking going on already is tiny. Selling some old rusted iron for a penny is not going to cause an explosion in it.

>>3227941

>Who the fuck uses radar and sound penetrating imagery to hunt for random bits of metal

Archaeologists.

>>3227955
Touche

>>3227929
>Because /pol/ is always right. Always.
Fuck off they are. Dolchstoßlegende, fabricated Churchill quotes, fake doctored photographs, that African hut shitpost tha becomes increasingly specific each time the OP gets blown out "why did Ghanaian dental assistants not invent the rotary pantograph", the vast majority of the bullshit that dipshit spic nazi tripfag posts, etc...

>>3227913
it does, ebay and local versions of ebay/flea markets are full of stuff that should be in museums

in fact, the director of the my local museum made a fortune on coins purchased on those markets, because the seller couldnt identify what he got his hands on

>this thread is still up

Wtf where are our mods and janitors

>>3228100

This thread has actually turned into a semi decent debate about museum funding.

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>>3228100
>mods and janitors
>/his/

>>3222566
Its nice method to proove WE WAS KUNGS memes.
- Where are proofs of 5000 years of Chinese history?
- They were destroyed by Manchu barbariens in 1750-1790 and by Mao cultural revolution of 1950s.
- Ok, question is closed.

>>3228098
But is that the result of museums creating a market? or is it just a market that sprung up on its own?

>>3222572
>triggered

Delete this.

>>3223245
What's the point of the parentheses in this context. Literally no one here cares one way or the other about the Jews or their treachery. Is it to trigger people? I just don't see what it adds to the post other than pointing out how obnoxious you are.
>/pol/ here
Again, what does this add? No one cares. Just post the article and the context. You morons hate getting people onto your side, don't you?

>/pol/ here
Was this some king of marketing strategy?
Op's post was pretty interesting on its own why did he need to say that?

>>3223167
>selling
They don't want to create a market, see OP
>donation
I guess you mean to schools etc, but that still requires an archaeologist to go through the site and sort out and catergorise them. Someone needs to pay for that
>transportation
???

>>3222566
Saying Sweden yes, is a sour fucking meme ain't it? You speak as if the people had a say in it. You dumb cunt.

Can the janitors please fucking delete this thread already? Do you job you lazy fucks.

>>3230457
Yeah, it wasn't the people who elected the politicians who made the country that way. You dumb fucking Swede cunt.

>>3230485
>>3228100
>These asshurt lefty virgins
Lol

>>3222628
Fuck off, leave this board. We don't want your fucking kind here. Kill yourself.

>>3230520
It isn't the left being asshurt in this thread

it is /pol that is being BTFO once again

why is /pol always wrong?

>>3230486
Yes surely the people took in regard every community-politicians stand on archeological findings when voting.

Fuck off.

>>3230743
The people elected the polititans who are representing them Swedecuck, it is your fault.

>>3227710
In Afghanistan, Soviet forces absolutely destroyed the ruins of Ai-Khanoum and a large portion of Balkh, erasing centuries of Greek, Buddhist, and Afghan history.

>>3230667
>"n-no, u-u"
The state of pussy leftists lmao.

>>3230667
>/pol
>not /pol/
hmm

>>3222566
But why are you mad, /pol/lock? Humanities are useless garbage, muh STEM degree amirite?

Dude capitalism LMAO that metal can be used to make cars with a fapping machine instead of wasting space in a useless museum that can be turned into a shopping mall

>>3231367
>being this autistic
No wonder no one takes the left seriously.

>>3222628
>removal of confederate statues

frankly I think they should be replaced with statues of Sherman, Grant, Farragut, Sheridan, and probably a few others.

>The Union Forever.

>>3231411
>le you must be a leftist may may XDD
Le u le mad?

>>3231487
Keep crying, leftist scum.

>>3231491
Lame b8 tbqhwy pham

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>>3227682
>Eh, not really.
Saying so doesn't make it so. If you define what deserves conservation based on what is "interesting enough" then you, and most idiots here, don't belong on this board or anywhere near academic circles.

>>3227687
>History is irrelevant
Kys, leftist scum. I usually say "kys" half-jokingly but I meat it you lifeless NEET.

>>3227749
>He goes from saying "OH RLY, WHERE'D U STUDY HUH??" to "WELL I'D ASK 4 A REFUND XD" thinking that's clever or witty
You're sad to look at.

>Rest is you is sperging out about something I already addressed repeatedly and missing the point to the fact that it's irrelevant whether there's a spear or not through the ROMAN skull in ARGENTINA
Just stop, son. Get help, you're clearly mentally impaired and limited, you keep repeating the same bullshit over and over, as if yelling louder makes your point stronger.

You're literally too stupid to be talking about anything, you pseudo-intellectual dumb fuck.

Were there any attempts of shipping these items to anyone or anywhere? The answer is clearly no. You brought up the nonsense of private collectors not being allowed in Sweden as if justifying something as "WELL IT'S AGAINST THE LAW LOL" is an argument. A hundred years ago it was legal to beat your wife with a stick, it doesn't make it correct.

Again, there are solutions you're ignoring conveniently. Almost as if you had an agenda.

>>3231510
>Has to declare anything outing him as liberal scum as "b8" to hide
Typical weak leftist scum. Keep crying.

>>3231367
It's funny because most of /pol/ unironically thinks like this

>>3231560
>take it from me, I'm an expert on all things /pol/!
>why, you're a regular there?
>fuck no, what do I sound like a fucking racist xenophobe to you???
>then how do yo--
>DON'T QUESTION ME!
Kys

>>3231573
I would consider myself quite an expert on /pol/ since you are still circulating several of my info-graphics filled with lies around your cess-pool. All I have to do is demonize the Jews or some other group you don't like and you'll believe whatever bullshit I tell you.

>>3233049
>Literally lying to save face that you're an autistic permavirgin libtard
Lmao, what a loser you are.