Why did Ba'athism fail?

Speaking about Arab republican nationalism in general:

>US/UK support of conservative monarchies like Saudi Arabia and Morocco
>loss in credibility after losing several wars with Israel
>splits within Arab nationalism; Libya vs. Egypt, Syria vs. Iraq, etc.

>>3221583
It's not like fundamentalists didn't face similar obstacles and they thrive pretty well.

Truth is, they never went away really and what always got them was inner infighting, these countries have little democratic traditions and people would always put their own faction before republic. And military strongmen thrive in such environment

>>3221570
Well the UAR failed because the Syrians realized they got memed into letting Egypt run their country.

>>3221570

Ran counter to the currents within Arab populism, which were trending towards Islamism.

>>3222593
no fundamentalists (Pan-Islamists) did not face the same obstacles. They were suppressed by nationalist governments and never had the chance to take on government responsibility until recently, so they did have a lot of difficulties organizing in this hostile environment but they could always claim the moral high ground against the nationalists who lost credibility by failing to organize effectively against israel and being hampered by petty rivalries.

>these countries have little democratic traditions
sure

>people would always put their own faction before republic
not until recently. religious factionalism rose in importance after arab nationalism, which transcended religious affilitations, failed. The turn to Pan-Islamism made the religious identity primary again and that had catastrophic results in a region with extreme religious diversity.

>>3221570
Didn't fail, it was dismantled by America

>>3221570
internationalist nationalism is a difficult concept to implement

>>3222643
Right, nothing has ever been an Arab's fault. Its always been the Turks/British/French/Americans/Jews/Soviets taking advantage of his pure hearted naïveté.

>>3222674
right, there is never someone who would use the situation in the middle east for his own advantage

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>>3221570

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>>3222605
This. Nasser should have realized that the Syrian Baathist were his natural allies but instead he wanted to ran roughshod over them.
>>3221570
Ba'athism failed because 1) Saddam foiled the merger with Syria, 2)Syria decided to support Iran during the Iran-Iraq war and fight against Iraq during the Gulf War and 3) It was something of a meme ideology to begin with.

>>3222735
Not related to Ba'athism

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>>3222674
>actually attempting to deny that US used (and continues to use) textbook divide et impera in the middle east

that's just sad

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>>3222743
American foreign policy is very related

>>3221570
>socialism will always fail and it fucked my country up to this day we are still suffering
>Rulers were cruel dictators
>The military used to control everything;military rule is the worst rule
>there is no such things as Arabs just speakers of different dialects of Arabic but with different history and cultures so cramming them under Arab nationalism can only exist in the minds of the Arab nationalists
>Syria and Iraq and most arab nations except Egypt have multiple ethnicities making the only way to rule them is by being a ruthless despot who can unify the multiple warring factions especially since the ethnicities hate each other for various historical or religious reasons
>The Arab defeat in 1967 was the last nail in the coffin of Arab nationalism and nasser's deth

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All the various BTFOings by Israel demoralized and delegitimized arab nationalism

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>>3221570
bACAUSE COMMUNISM SUCKS AND RELIJIZZ CAPTIALISM IS SUPERIOR
t. rightwing liberall

>>3222776
Half a century later, Israel still illegally holds Golan Heights, despite nobody recognizing it as part of Israel.

>>3222807
I hear your crying all the way in tel aviv

>>3223188
Post your address, I'll come wipe your tears.