Neoliberalism

>>3221193
It works wonders with fascism. Also they love money so there's your answer.

>>3221193
By killing everyone who opposed it 1914 - 1991. Had its heyday in the Bush/1st Obama term years but as evidenced by the rise of Russia, ISIS, China, the split of the Philippines (once intensely loyal to the US) from American influence etc etc its basically collapsing. Trump is ultimately just a right of centre neolib. Brexit maybe reflects distrust in the world designs of neoliberalism. At any rate it is coming apart at the seams and nobody really has a replacement. Though Russia seems to want to position itself as the alternative global pole

>>3221193
neoliberalism is literally liberalism taking to its fullest logical extent, which is why liberalism is fundamentally flawed.

>>3221221
>It works wonders with fascism
Hello Trotskyist. Neoliberalism = fascism is dems r the real racists levels of retarded.

>>3221193
Structural factors + war + memes

Treating the economy like a biological community allows the most fit organizations, strategies, and standards to dominate while poorly managed ones fail and die out. It is more tolerant of failure of systems because other more fit organizations can fill the gap, unlike in a top-down managed system without the "inefficiency" of competition. It's failures are exacerbated when the government attempts to control the markets, prevent failure of companies, and protect local industries from competition. Other failures occur from rent seeking, government permission of monopolistic or collusive behavior, and regulatory capture.

Alternative economic systems have not been able to to provide the fault tolerance through constant competition, or been able to agree on appropriate prices through non-market means, or to provide the breadth or products and services that result from the independent direction of productive resources.

It doesn't help that in command economies the control over economic resources is most often concentrated entirely in the government. This leads to massive concentration of power in the small number of individuals that control those who determine the economic plan allowing them to be seized more easily by those who wish to control them for their own interests. This is also evidence in economies that rely primarily on resource extraction, or in countries where large national industries are sold to private interests without sufficient protection against monopoly. This allows totalitarian or authoritarian control to be exerted over the populace with near impugnity.

Basically, despite the problems and contradictions of neo-liberalism (as an economic system), the alternatives are worse.

Bribing elites. Both the old-fashioned bags of money kind, and the fact that you can live a lot better as a well-connected plutocrat than, say, a central committee member of a society promising an equal standard of living.

MLs failed to decentralize power and left a weak point that could be exploited.

By being the best

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>>3221193
>>3221233
>neoliberalism is bad

ISHYGDDT

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For me being a NEET is the highest form of rebellion against the neo liberalism.

>>3221193
A almost century of massive red baiting to deal with any critics

It's not, though, it's an ideology under heavy siege. I don't disagree that it's been generally good for the world, for a few decades at least, and it's sure as shit better than communism, but it's currently in a state of collapse.

>>3221390
It's not a cohesive ideology at all. It used to be an empty but nice sounding thing politicians could call themselves before it just became an insult, like neocon.

>>3221390
>>3221390
I'd say it peaked in the late 90s early 00s, but since then its problems have overtaken its positives (I guarantee mass immigration will be looked back upon as a complete disaster), especially after 2008, and it's currently in decline.

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>tfw the 2020s will be a great rejection in the West of both market neoliberalism and reactionary faux-populism
>tfw governments will stop pretending that deficits matter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXjWeucTyFU

>>3221229
As Russia is a bureaucratic kleptocracy determined to create international drama to point domestic discontent outwards instead of formenting a protest against their shitty corrupt government and institutions, I don't think anyone will be taking a page out of their book anytime soon.

>>3221193
By delivering the highest sustained standards of living of any politico-economic system in history.

>>3221422
Yeah, Russia's book is a depressing one.
Chapter 9: How to be the world's largest country yet have a GDP the size of Italy's.
Chapter 12: How to drive your most ambitious and talented people into exile.
Chapter 17: Autocracy: hard, soft, and with a side of oligarch.
Chapter 22: Blame everything on the Naglo-Saxons.
Chapter 24: Seizing small slices of territory at the cost of suffering large economic consequences.

>>3221193
By being better

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>>3221427
That would be postwar social democracy. Living standards in the West have stagnated for the vast majority of people and are outright falling in large swathes of the US.

Pic related. From the end of World War II to the end of the 1970s these lines were all rising at about the same rate. Then came Reaganite fascism.

>>3221422
t. Pollack

>>3221446
I'm no Putin sympathizer, but Russia's decline since 1991 can be blamed heavily on NATO and the IMF. Shock therapy was disastrous and privatization created a corrupt oligarch class out of former communist officials and their friends. Meanwhile, NATO, despite its mission being completed, slowly crept eastward while bombing civilians in Serbia to punish its government for suppressing an Islamist rebellion.

>>3221463
Can we be sure that postwar social democracy would have functioned better than neoliberalism when it faced the challenges of rising European and Asian economic power and technological advances that more and more made the old corporate system outdated?

>>3221476
>NATO bombing Serbia caused Russia to decline

never change

>>3221463
Thatcher did nothing wrong. The culture of dependency, laziness, the huge deficits and the stagnation of economy would only go away with massive reforms with massive blowbacks.

>>3221492
Define "function better".

>>3221495
No, but NATO's growth coinciding with Russia's disastrous 1990s is where Russian resentment towards the West is rooted.

>>3221506
>implying that deficits matter
also

>muh laziness
If the work week had kept up with increasing worker productivity we'd be <30 hours a week.

>>3221495
Russia was in love with the US, they were Polish tier USboos before that.

>>3221522
>implying deficits don't matter
Enjoy your rampant inflation

>>3221539
Irrelevant after 1971. No nation which prints its own currency needs to care about deficits or debts.

>>3221522
>Define "function better".
"deliver prosperity to the US population as a whole (not just the top)".

>>3221556
Growth would have slowed and the US would still have had a trade deficit, but without the dominance of neoliberal ideology I suspect that poverty rates would be much lower, the Rust Bellt and rural areas would be doing somewhat better, and we wouldn't have the telecom/media conglomerates we do today without Clinton's deregulation (Bill essentially validated the Reagan consensus by moving the Democratic Party hard to the right; this is why supporting his wife in the 2016 primaries was a non-starter).

>>3221539
It's economics go-... senpai. It just works.

>>3221551
It baffles me that someone is this naive. And believes all this horseshit after all the empirical evidence that advises against it. You people are literally out of touch with reality.

>>3221596
please elaborate :3

Money, I just love money.

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>>3221568
>da jooz

>>3221193
By proving to be superior to the other ideologies.

>>3221476
Shock therapy and nato is a meme that gets thrown around . Read Kotkin's Armageddon Averted. What happened in 1990s Russia was the RUSSIANS' FAULT. It was all in their hands, and had nothing to do with foreign intervention and neoliberalism. It was basically nomenklatura cannibalizing state industries and making themselves rich off of it while the state disappeared for everyone else.

>>3221539
britain has had a deficit since the 1690s you fucking idiot and that never stopped the eternal anglo from becoming the most powerful empire in the world. you libertarians need to kill yourselves.

>>3221193
>it won
It's dominant now, but there is zero reason to expect neoliberalism is the "end stage" of human society. I think once the current set of crises (climate, refugees, """"terrorism"""", resource wars, etc.) reach critical point (it hasn't yet), we'll see some kind of change. Might be worse, though. Probably surveillance/police-states ruled by oligarchies. Just look at Russia, China, Turkey or heck, most of Asia and Africa, for examples.

Neoconservatives bungled in Iraq, and old style progressives got increasingly irrelevant after Reagan BTFO the democrats. Also rent seeking

/thread

>>3221344
>he really believes that """free markets""" exist.

Neoliberalism won, because cosmopolitan top 1% lobbied it to be so. Neoliberalism inevitably leads to the tyranny led by those who have the most resources to hijack the democratic process.

>>3221476
The emerging Russian mafia-state (now in place) was forming long before NATO bombed Serbia. Yeltsin was incompetent and died of alcoholism, otherwise he or a lackey would currently be Russia's don boss instead of Putin and his lackeys. The "NATO creep" is bullshit pushed by Moscow so they can claim "see, look what you made me do, go invade Crimea and Ukraine and all, it's your fault!".

Worth noting that the Baltics, Poland, Czech R, Hungary, et al WANTED to join NATO precisely to keep Russian meddling away.

>>3221775
>The "NATO creep" is bullshit pushed by Moscow so they can claim "see, look what you made me do, go invade Crimea and Ukraine and all, it's your fault!".

They fucking had to you mong. Crimea had the biggest naval base open to Russians on the black sea. It would be like the Chinese funding an independence movement in Okinawa to kick out American military forces

>>3221751
>implying US and the West aren't surveillance police states
Just because we don't prosecute as much and people are "free" to consume to their hearts content doesn't mean all the data we create are in the hands of tech monolopies and the government.

>>3221837
>Crimea had the biggest naval base open to Russians on the black sea.
And even if the Ukranian government changed it would have remained in Rusian hands. The Crimea is majority russian speaking and already had nationalist sympathies, and sevastopol was essentially a russian possession in all but name rented out to that country by the ukrainians. The ukrainians wouldn't have ever had the balls to kick them out, because then russia would simply switch off the gas, which it has already done several times the last decade to piss them off

>>3221193

It's extremely flexible. It is the one system liberal democracies, one party states, dictatorships, monarchies and more could prosper from.

The ONLY group to reject it is wahabbist islam.

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>>3221938
>The ONLY group to reject it is wahabbist islam.
Notice me senpai

>>3221938
The ONLY group to reject it is wahabbist islam.
are you kidding? wahhabi saudi arabia is one of the LINCHPINS of the neoliberal order, despite their tendency to produce disaffected youngsters

Because Leftists are hilariously incompetent in economic matters

>>3222000
i guess its true n some sense but saudi boubadi is still a theocracy under sharia law

>>3222030
yes, i agree, but neoliberalism is structure of the economic and geopolitical order at the moment, and from my understanding saudi arabia plays a big part in upholding that order. paradoxically, the US has a deep interest in keeping an deeply conservative, unchanging authoritarian monarchies the gulf states because they have promised the ossified and repressed social order to allow oil to flow effortlessly to fuel the industrial west.

>>3221938
Because it allows corrupt government officials to sell their countries national resources for cents on the dollar to foreign capitalists.
The minute neoliberalism runs out of third world countries to exploit is the minute it collapses.

>>3221420
>being a keynesian

neoliberalism is like the guy who wins a competition by cheating, he isn't actually the strongest or most skilled, but his tactics always win. it perpetuates itself, like a cancer.

>>3222041
OMG YAAAS its like you putting words in my mouth brain, i havent had a mindgasm like this in awhile

>>3221193
Jews decided it was better to be a neo liberal than a commie, and so many Jews migrated out of the USSR and joined their Jewish brethren in the west and became capitalists. Communism lost when the Jewish community moved towards western neoliberalism.

By having a shitton of money

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>>3221596
>It baffles me that someone is this naive. And believes all this horseshit after all the empirical evidence that advises against it. You people are literally out of touch with reality.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>3221193
By winning the military battle.

>>3221193

People like being more free than less free. Also, free market economics turns out to be the most efficient and the best at raising standards of living.

>>3221740
>Read Kotkin's Armageddon Averted. What happened in 1990s Russia was the RUSSIANS' FAULT.

I find that a person's opinion on Syria has become a convenient shibboleth for assessing (without having to do any real reading) whether or not an apparently "smart" person is really a dumb and vicious piece of shit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/opinion/sunday/is-putin-getting-what-he-wanted-with-trump.html

Neoliberalism is the only system to not have collapsed. That itself counts as success.

>>3222480
>standards of living
Literally a meme metric

>>3221251
>dems r the real racists levels of retarded.
they are, faggot

>>3221596
Reality doesn't exist. Empirical evidence is an oxymoron.

>>3222498
>to not have collapsed.
To not yet have collapsed* fixed.

>americans thinking neoliberalism = democrats because the word "liberal" is in there somewhere
The US was a mistake

>>3222523
das rite.

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>>3222498
>Saying this after 08

it didn't

>>3222588
>a couple of years in recession is now a collapse

neo liberalism is the way of the current aristocracy to preserve itself, it preaches againt itself but if you look at it closely, you will see that their claims are insane and unrealistic

you see, lets pick a nowadays popular and often heard thing about racism

pro and con, its a useless thing, it emphasises color of the ppl, not their education, not their behaviour, their colour

its that itself is racist, calling white black green blue whatever someone? ppl are ppl end of story

but thats their intention, while they all sit up in their ivory towers the plebs are killing eachother over skincolours

>>3221251
This, Marxists have downs

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>>3222820
>implying the bailout was neoliberalism in action
>implying that the global economy has fully recovered
>implying that another one is not coming

Because the inherent pragmatism and un-ideological nature of Neoliberalism as a approach allows it flexibility that a dogmatic doctrinal approach like laissez-faire or socialism lack.

The recognising that the world's problems are far too complex to be boiled down into a simplistic, one size fits all worldview and the willingness to follow what evidence has proven to work is what has lead to it's triumph.

>>3221417
mass immigration IS a political disaster as it has brought the neoliberals under heavy fire, no matter if it is actually that bad on the ground. they are NEVER doing something like this again.

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>>3222877
So? Is that a complete collapse?

>>3221344
>allows the most fit organizations, strategies, and standards to dominate
until of course they become too big to fail and then do fail and have to be bailed out by the government

>>3222915
Neoliberalism actually encourages immigration. It's a good thing.

>>3222970
not when it causes them to lose elections or powerbase

>>3222981
They lost one election and a referendum everyone now regrets.

>>3223005
neoliberalists are known to be big tent, so major electoral defeats really shake them to the core, that's why you see shit like millions of refugees being stuck on an island in the aegean or in turkey

>>3222953
No, since somebody remembered Keynes exist before it was all too late

>>3221193
By pretending is was something else

>>3222956
If you finished the paragraph, you would have read
>It's failures are exacerbated when the government [...] attempts to prevent failure of companies
In fact, this prevention a d the proliferation of "zombie firms" kept alive through corporate welfare are thought to have an effect on the recent lack of efficiency growth and Japan's lost score.

>>3222479
this

>>3221379
>As long as the economy is functioning, nothing else matters

Neolibs

>>3222082
can't tell if you're serious or not kek

>>3222496
i never said anything about syria though...

>>3222030
Economic systems and political systems aren't the same.
Neoliberalism has many a political implications but is first and foremost an economic system.
See how China is a «communist» government but has free market economy.
This paradox is frequent.

>>3222480
sike

>>3222891
*imf destroys your third world country by imposing orthodox laissez*
heh... nothin personnel kid... we're "pragmatists"

>>3222542
well tbf, republicans AND democrats are neoliberals. Bill Clinton turned the democrats into neoliberals (if not Carter before him). He implemented neoliberal policies. Obama was essentially neoliberal in practice. He did absolutely nothing to change the established order or even try to speak out against it. His TransPacific Partnership was NAFTA (passed by clinton) on steroids if I'm not mistaken.

>>3222479
>>3223233
Those are the answers.

>>3225263

That's what he is. The fucking asshole is a date rapist. I don't loath this piece of shit because he is a center-of-right politician or because he panders or because he doesn't support my interests. Anyone with any sort of power in this worthless country would slice my throat and my interests to get ahead. They don't give a shit about truth or fairness or equality. So in this respect Obama is nothing special. So that's not why I loathe him.

I loathe this motherfucker because of what he does to people like me. More naive than me, but like me. Younger than me, but like me. More optimistic than me, but like me.

I hate Obama because of what he does to the equivalent of my retarded brother.

Even republicans realize that McCain is a soft-serve piece of shit funneled into a nutcase. No matter how worthless or sick or mindless republican voters are, they are going into this election with eyes wide open.

But not the liberal youth. They believe in this fucking bitch. This self-serving date rapist spineless cowardly slippery and smooth slick Brooks Brothers suit of nothing. He's somehow convinced them to believe in him. To be optimistic. To "hope" for "change".

Here's the thing, though. He's full of shit. It's obvious to anyone with the right eye. But people like my retarded brothers and sisters, they don't see it.

So if you wonder why I hate Baquack Obama, it isn't because I fell for his bullshit. It's because I know people who are intellectually and emotionally close to my worldview who fell for it. And they are giving him millions of their dollars and thousands of hours of their time just so he can ignore them the moment he doesn't need them anymore and do exactly the opposite of what my brothers and sisters thought he would do.
(cont.)

>>3225314

Yes, it's my brothers and sisters' fault for leaving the party, drunkenly walking across the overgrown grass in the backyard and wandering into the outhouse on the edge of the Ozark woods with Baquack Obamailure. But it's his fault for raping them.

He is a son of bitch. Because at least Hillary and McCain had enough balls to scoff at the idea of hope or change, in this country, at this moment, by politicians with the same old, self-obsessed ideals that they all hold.

But Obama packaged "hope" and "change" as a big red roofie and shoved it down my 12 year-old sister's throat with his fingers until she gagged on his wedding ring, all because he knew once she swallowed it he would get what he wanted.

Fuck Barack Obama.

>>3225314
Is this pasta?

>>3225314
>>3225318
What on earth are you going on about?

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>tfw too intelligent to not be neoliberal

>>3225354
yup
>>3225361
barack hussein obama