Non-western historical weapons

>>3220348
That seems really impractical, then again it might be amazing for Iran since it's such a hot climate and very few soldiers would have anything heavier than leather/hide.

>>3220348
Where in Iran specifically?

Why have spiked knuckled if the finger armor prevents you from forming a fist?

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Copper culture spear heads, this things are 5000 year old from modern United States, no joke.

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Urumis. Basically a sword-whip.

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A shuriken is a Japanese concealed weapon that was used as a hidden dagger.

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Chinese chain whip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcPr-AP1Vss

>>3220488
Backhands.

cultures that didnt have very good armor or didnt mass produce decent armor have the weirdest looking weapons. Stuff that would be utterly useless against a typical european soldier but kinda makes sense in a setting where people arent wearing much armor at all. European weapons are all about getting through or around armor, so there's a lack of diversity in that respect.

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Rope dart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW67MBO8M8

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Japanese ceremonial sword (look everybody I got the longest!)

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>>3220866
detail

>>3220748
aren't they basically useless as thrown weapons?
unless you got somebody right in the eye it wouldn't do much more than slow them down, it doesn't penetrate far enough

>>3220643
never head about it, but damn imagine having one conceiled then BUM fucking cutting metal whip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBFZIqywIkM

>>3220444
>it might be amazing for Iran since it's such a hot climate and very few soldiers would have anything heavier than leather/hide

You're retarded. The hot shit in Iran has been heavy cavalry for milennia.

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>>3220444
Iranians pretty much invented plate armor, dipshit

>>3220910
>cavalry

key word there, the nobility of iran were the OG tin cans, but the general levies and footsoldiers were far less protected and relied heavily on their shields to compensate.

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Gilbert island shark tooth swords

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>>3220942
And don't forget to wear your pufferfish helmet when wielding these
Safety first!

>iran was anime-tier during 1200's
Damn, you learn something every day

>>3220748
lol

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>>3220942
needs more teeth

>>3220348
God DAMN! That is is Sauron tier shit!

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>>3220957
>Sassanids running like this into battle like this

>>3220928
Nice goal post moving, where did your shitty argument about hot climate go?

>ITT: Dex weapons

>>3220978
i wasnt the guy you were responding to I was just pointing out the fact that only rich cavalry chads had good armor in iran and the majority of soldiers were basically given shit if they were even given anything at all. This is why weird weapons pop up, because armor wasnt very widespread in the lower classes of society so crazy whips and all that actually work whereas europeams have always armored themselves as well as they could and are in fact known for that as far back as ancient greece.
So yes, their geography and culture lended themselves to weapons that wouldnt work in other areas. Its a completely legitimate point, and heat does affect what kind of equipment you use so Im not sure what dumbfuck point youre trying to make about that. Colder climates tend to have people that wear more clothes, this also generally translates to more armor since overheating in heavy armor is exactly how Saladin crushed the christians.

>>3220942
OSH TE LEMA HAMA!

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Chinese fire arrow battery

>>3221017
wacky as fuck. Chinese weapons always seem like theyre just on the verge of becoming something gamechanging but they never take that next step so its all so specialized and silly. Its like they enjoy having their underdeveloped ideas appropriated and improved by europeans.

>>3220348
this is like something from kushan from berserk

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>>3220748
Here are some Bantu throwing knives. They are equally intricate and phallic.

>>3221037
Is there a real downside to using a dart like Eastern (especially Korean) guns tended to instead of a round ball? The balls must have some advantage or they wouldn't have switched over in the first place.

>>3220866
>>3220869

This is for show only right? They are made by silver?

>>3221037
>Le_Chinese_stuck_with_firecrackers.jpg
Come back when you actually learn history m8.

>>3221076
Kpinga knife.

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>>3221111
Whoops

>>3221077
An arrow is more massive than a bullet, so you would need more powder to throw it the same distance. Arrows are also more time consuming the manufacture. You end up spending more money to do the same (or less) than the guy firing cast lead balls.

>>3221102
It's undeniable that the Chinese were quickly outpaced when it came to firearms development.
Not the guy you replied to btw.

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>>3221077
Canons have a higher kinetic energy to fire a heavier projectile and therefore inflict more damage.
Fire arrows are more low tech, can be spammed easier and have better aerodynamics.
So both have their use
The chinese also had their first Handcanon by the 13th century
>pic related

The europeans gained an edge on both hand held fire arms and canons though, therefore being able to crush the chinese at the opium wars

>>3220878
They used to wear it as a belt and would use it to engage multiple opponents. The user is said to be the top tier of the martial art.

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>>3220643
Kpinga swords and knives, used by the African Zande warriors.

>>3220348
How the shit do you use the knickles when you can't make a fist with those nails? Are you just supposed to back-hand the schmuck or something?

>>3220812
Seems more like a torture device, unless those thick metal parts are heavier than they look, than it could act like a mace of sorts, would be pretty neat.

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>>3221098
It's genuine glorious 1000 times folded nippon steel.
Quenching that thing must have been a nightmare.
But your right that this one is for show only. Its 377cm and 14,5kg. They paraded these things around, prayed to before them for good luck in battle or put them in temples.
Odachi used in battle were shorter, around 90-150cm.

>>3220878
He's perfected those movements to the point that the sword-whip hitting the floor creates a rhythm.

>>3221179
>It's like my chinese cartoons

>>3221173
I think the idea was cutting, not blunt force, but it's still retarded since having your hand stuck open like that gives drag when you try to swipe at someone, effectively lessening the speed of a weapon that was meant to be fast.

>>3221178
It's not for torture, it's a secondary weapon that could easily be concealed.
The kinetic energy of the spinning chains can break bones without a problem.
Even a much smaller metal point on the tip of a rope can inflict serious damage.
I train with an non-martial variation of these for fire spinning (poi) and even these can hurt if you accidentally hit yourself.
Watch the video I linked >>3220812
Also this one for the modern take on it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xoT_ugO2rQ

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Maori weapons look cool af

>>3220928
Holy shit you are dumb

>>3221219
Why the hole in the middle of the center left club? Just looks? Is it a balance thing?

>>3221076
Youd have to be kinda fag to see dicks in those

>>3220872
Not if you rub them in poison, shit etc before hand, just need to make a minor wound to kill them or at least have a festering wound that incapacitates them

>>3221227
nice argument

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>>3220348
For those wanting more information on these, they seem to have originated in India as modified bagh nakhs(pic related).

Semi-related source that cites these as bagh nakhs and also talks about their use amongst the Marathan Confederacy in India:

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1600_1699/marathas/pratapgarh/pratapgarh.html

>>3221334
Nice argument.

>>3221514
hur

if you want to explain how my comment is in any way incorrect or innacurrate, go ahead.

Or just keep doing a shallow reply chain and avoid actually supporting your original insult.

>>3221361
That weapon in legit since Shivaji apparently killed his opponent Afzal Khan using that while he hugged him.

>>3220348

I have a very hard time imagining somebody actually using those things in combat. In what possible situation would such objects be preferable to a sword, or even a long knife? And what if you need to actually pick something up?

>>3221582
i wont defend those gauntlets in particular but there are advantages to having two free hands as opposed to one in the grapple, if you can pin their knife arm it becomes a grapple where your fists are deadly and their fists are not. You also cant drop them or be disarmed. I would imagine it was a backup for if you dropped your main so you could still defend yourself.

Im just speculating though i dont really know

>>3221602

I think that even something like a small dagger would be a superior back-up weapon, because it can be drawn quickly, whereas those gloves probably aren't quick to put on and off if you're in a fighting. It might only take a few seconds to put them on but that's still plenty of time for somebody to stab you multiple times.

>>3221626
i mean the gauntlets are already on, and you hold your main with those gauntlets, then you pull out a dagger, and if you lose that you have spikes on your fists so youre never truly disarmed no matter what.

>>3221643

I guess I can kinda of see it now.

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This is the sword of the ruler of Granada, Spain during al andalus

>>3221557
lol

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>>3221119
Yeah but to say they aren't game changers?

I mean, shit, siege warfare became deadlier in Chinese and East Asian history when the first powder, bombs, and the early cannons showed up that they stopped being content with clay brick and rammed earth walls in favor of stone and extensive internal fortification.

Not to mention the damage it was doing to 1200s-1400s naval combat.

Early gunpowder usage in Chinese history was far from just battlefield curiosities anon was insinuating they were. They did real work.

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>>3220348
狼筅 - Bamboo (or iron) sticks with spikes attached. While useless against flesh/armor, it's specifically made to counter the Japanese katana battles.

https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%8B%BC%E7%AD%85
https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-hant/%E7%8B%BC%E7%AD%85

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>>3222087
*in battles

>>3221017
Korean, and it's more like a primitive missile launcher. They used it to fight the Japanese when Toyotomi Hideyoshi went "you know what? Now that we're 'unified', let's go fucking attack Korea"

Japan failed pretty hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P3g8N_u7c8

>>3220872
The star-shaped ones were only thrown as a distraction. You wouldn't throw it in a way that it would stick in the person. Ninja would throw them to effect a getaway and confuse the enemy.

Now, there are ones with penetration but they are a different shape, like a long nail that you have to hit point first. Even the samurai schools taught this.
(I've studied under Stephen K. Hayes and Masaaki Hatsumi lineages, ninja and samurai/bujutsu schools)

>>3220866
how many times was it folded? asking for a friend

>>3221250
There is literally a dick with balls in this one >>3221172

>>3220643
So tape measure battle

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>>3220748
>>3220872
>>3222134
Most shiruken were almost square in shape like the one on the bottom left there. Easy to make in bulk, and heftier to throw (meaning more impact). You throw them almost like darts, vertically oriented with your hand drawn back over your shoulder. Throwing them horizontally is trickier, harder to get as much force into it, and can cause them to sail off to the left or right like a frizbee.

But yeah, sharpened nails and actual darts were probably just as common if not more so. I really doubt the fancy star shaped ones were just for distraction though. Seems like a waste of iron.

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>>3220643
Also comes in cat-o-ninetails versions!

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Indian patas. I have no idea how effective/versatile these things are.

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>>3222329
Derp, those are katars. This is a pata.

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>The weird sword the topless guy's wielding
The Dacian falx, doom of the roman solder
>At the time of the Dacian wars, researchers have estimated that only ten percent of Iberian and Gallic warriors had access to swords, usually the nobility. By contrast Dacia had rich resources of iron and were prolific metal workers. It is clear that a large percentage of Dacians owned swords, greatly reducing Rome's military advantage.[5]
>Marcus Cornelius Fronto described the large gaping wounds that a falx inflicted, and experiments have shown that a blow from a falx easily penetrated the Romans' lorica segmentata, incapacitating the majority of victims. These experiments also show that the falx was most efficient when targeting the head, shoulder, leg and especially the right (sword) arm, which was generally exposed. A legionary who had lost the use of his right arm became a serious liability to his unit in battle.[3]
>Roman armour of the time left limbs unprotected; Trajan introduced the use of greaves and an arm protector (manica) for the right arm, which had previously been used only by gladiators, and which was never used again by soldiers once the Dacia campaign concluded

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>>3222331

>>3222043
That shit sexy af

>>3222329
Katar != Pata
Similar in looks but way different to handle.
great choice tho I live these weapons.

>>3220845
Ok that looks impractical as shit, but man does it look awesome.

>>3220942
Forsworn weapons are a shit

>>3220748
Congrats you win the fedorapost-of-the-day award/

>>3222401
It's not impractical, you just need much training before you can effectively use it.
Try it, grab a rope, tie something to it's end and swing it around.
Try not to hurt yourself.

It can be concealed, it is low tech (a weight on a rope) and it can take an enemy by surprise.
If you try to block it, it can wrap around your weapon and still hit you.
It can be used to catch arms, legs or weapons.
It can come from very unexpected angles very fast.
Any fighter used to normal spear, sword and hand to hand combat can get in trouble with this thing, simply because he didn't learn how to properly react.

>>3221557
Nice non-argument, retard.

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>>3220348
Assorted Philippine blades.

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>>3223984
Kampilan swords, which is the only "long sword" design native to the Philippines.

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>>3223991
Weapons fromthe Visayas Islands. Philippines.

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>>3223997
Igorot axes, from the Mountain People of Northern Philippines.

>>3222165
t. Fag

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>>3224005
A socketed spear. Also from the Mountain People but the design was kinda common throughout the Philippine islands.

>>3223984
Wait, the philipinos had iron weapons when they were conquered by the spanish?

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>>3224012
Pommel figures of predatory animals commonly decorate Flip knives and sword hilts.

>>3222087
>ping pong letters

Dude, if someone has bothered to learn chink moonrunes he probably already knows enough. At least put a tl;dr of how it countered katanas.

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Ginunting knives.

>>3224017
Yeap. We're not in the Americas: Chinese and Indians are literally just right there.

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>>3224026
The Lang Xian (literally: Wolf's Brush) was less of a spear and more of an area denial weapon, used in a squad-level formation known as a Mandarin Duck Formation. It blinded or hampered the movement of attackers who approached a Mandarin duck formation, to be either cut down by the swordsmen between the pikes or by stabbed by the pikes themselves.

>>3224023
Whoops I meant (you)>>3224039

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>>3224026
The Itak, pretty much the National Weapon of the Philippines due to Revolutionary War memes.

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>>3224048
A Filipino Karambit. Of Indonesian origin but can be found all over Insular Southeast Asia.

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>>3224053
A Panabas knife.

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>>3224065
A Flip striaght Kris.

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>>3222099
Chinese also have equivalent weapons, pic related.
There are lots varieties, some of them are even modularized.
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/04/rocket-cart-of-ming-dynasty-p1.html

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>>3224073
A Moro nobleman's panoply. Morion helmet probably looted off a conquistador corpse. Chainmail probably of Indian origin and bought via trade.

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>>3220348
Chinese hook sword from Zhou ~ Qin dynasty

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>>3224110
Ming dynasty hook sword.

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>>3220348
Chinese Claws of Pen.

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Iroquois war club

>>3221250
>>3222165
>>3224011
It was intentionally designed to have a dick and balls, it's a sign of masculinity to the zande.

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>>3224158
Pen of Judge(判官筆).
Also Chinese.

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>>3220348
Flying Claws from Ming dynasty.

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>>3220348 (OP)
Thunderfire whip from Ming ~ Qing dynasty.
It's a steel/iron whip which can be used as firearm. (On the top, down below is three eyes handgonne which can be used as warhammer )

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>>3222323
>swastika throwing star
nice

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south american bolas
it was used in cavalry combat, you aimed at the horse legs, or if you were a real pro you went for the rider´s neck and head

>>3221582
>>3220348

I doubt these were used for warfare. Seeing how finely decorated they are, I'd wildly guess they were a collector's object or dueling weapon, something like that. Obviously only nobles would have these.

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>>3220348
Were Iranians the first neckbeards?

>>3222339
>Romans just used more armor
>Dacians just keep making hueg swords
i like this

>>3222068
>>3223961
These guys have to be trolling

>>3220348
>>3220643
>>3220812
>>3220845
>>3221361
>>3224244
Why do non white people have so many meme weapons?

>>3224094
The chainmail looks a lot like the chainmails I have seen that were made by thr Mughals.

>>3225059
whitey can't Kungfu

>>3224200
In French, those were called casse-tête, literally head-breakers.

>>3224303
back to /pol/

>>3224017
Many people had iron weapons before getting COLONIZED by Europeans. West Africans had iron tools since 2,000 years ago, only for the Bantus to "borrow" their techniques and conquer Central and Southern Africa.

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Knives from the Congo. Well, the first and last one are knives. What the fuck is that thing in the middle?

Judges 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.[23]

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>>3225059
White man actually knows what he's doing when it comes to killing other human beings

>>3225059
Europeans had them too, their just mostly forgotten.

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>>3220348

a hadome yari, a spear with an iron or bronze cross bar used to catch, hook or deflect enemy swords or pole arms

>>3222323
I read an interview with an expert on them. They were mostly distraction weapons, thrown before battle or at fleeing opponents. the art of throwing them was considered an auxiliary skill

>>3224303
t. roach

>>3225059
White people have just aa many, look at all the Gunaxes and such. The thing about these weapons regardless of culture is that they weren't really used and were mainly novelty pieces. When push came to shove pretty much every culture whether asian, european, african or whatever used the same old spears, axes, slings, bows and swords. Even a european short-sword and a japanese katana for all their differences still operate under and use the same principles.

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>>3225059
nothing personal kid

>>3221246
Makes it lighter. That much less material to swing around.

>>3221017
I think the primary value in a weapon like this would be setting a bunch of shit on fire. You'd need a lot of them to do any real damage to a bunch of unarmed peasants but really that's just a waste of gunpowder and rocketry to disperse peasants, you can accomplish the same thing with slings and regular old arrows. But where this would be really useful is aiming over a wall and just bombarding a town with flaming projectiles to start a bunch of fires.

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>>3225059
Meme weapons tend to be invented by some fringe group or catered to some special taste of some rich person.

Provided however that some of the weirder Chinese weapons were just peasants fashioning them from existing farm tools. Not because they were banned- hell, the government wanted you armed so you can deal with your own village scum-, but whenever they can't afford some real weapons.

A good example would be the so-called "Monk's Spade." Which had little to do with monks and more like peasants sharpening a shovel/turf cutter.

>>3225922
The Hwacha and other rocket propelled arrows didn't set shit on fire. It just stabbed you with rocket propelled arrows.

They just died off (well, in China) in favor of larger explosive rockets, or cannons. Koreans just continued using them.

>>3224782
that is cruel why hurt horsey

>>3225939
I can't imagine they'd do much damage to people in proper armor or even carrying flimsy destructible shields.

>>3220845
GET OVER HERE

>>3224026
So how were they conquered? if the tech was similar and the spanish were so few

>>3225464
Rome kind of forced the industrialization of European warfare, from dick knives and meme ropes.

>>3226647
They lived in small tribes who fought one another

>>3226175
>Le Azns don't have proper armor meme
k

>>3220878
Thanks for the ear rape

>>3221172
Muh diccc

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Japanese chained sickle. I have no idea why they combined these two of all. But when ninjas used this, it's cool as fuck.

>>3221077
Arrow is also made of wood, so if you load too much powder into the gun and shoot it, it might splinter mid-flight before hitting anything (happened during imjin war).

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This must be the champion of meme weapons.

>>3223926
You can also just use it like a normal throwing knife (that can be retrieved for later use)

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>>3224158

I saw your chinese fist-with-a-pen raise you a German one.

>>3226175
A rocket-arrow is aerodynamic and comes with proper 'ardened sharpened stabby stuff with the power of black powder behind it.

If an unaerodynamic solf blunt lead ball fired from a musket can punch through plate armor, why a rocket can‘t?

>>3227297
Because wood shatters

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maori taiaha, their main weapon. They believed it held the power of their ancestors.

When they went to war over territorial disputes only around 3-5 people were actually killed.

>>3227227
One theory is that both the sickle and the weighted chain were used in various fire fighting capacities (I forget the exact usage of the chain but the sickle was used to cut horses loose in event of a fire.)

The kusari was already in use as a battlefield grappling weapon for low ranking warriors (think a war pick)

Rather than a ninja weapon it was more a dueling weapon and novelty that got really popular.

One expert in Japanese kenjutsu wrote that its main value as a weapon is learning how to beat it, since its applications in real combat are so limited.

>>3221153
Nigga the europeans already had an edge in weapons tech over the chinese in the 1500s, never mind the time of the opium wars.

>>3220812
These are also called Iron Flails, Iron Meteors, or Meteor Flails. They actually get used to pretty cool effect in the Asian expansion for Aoe III

>>3221112
Why did Bantu women need sex toys like this, unless the BBC is a myth?

>>3221172
Imagine being stabbed to death by a phallus

>>3225090
Moro literally means muslim (moor) so it makes sense.

>>3222339
Falx literally just meant sickle or scythe in Latin. It's a scythe-sword
>tfw our Germanic ancestors resisted the romans by becoming anime characters

>>3224115
I used to love these as a kid since watching the Deadliest Warrior episode that featured them, but even then I could sense they were meme weapons. How useful were these in real life?

>>3227366
>germanic

>>3225320
probably just ceremonial

>>3227255
Don't most people primarily use it to train hand-eye coordination?

>>3222341
>>3222331
>>3222329
These always seemed like great ways to break your arm or wrist.

>>3227297
this
>>3227301
and because making something aerodynamic, both the missile and the tube it's fired out of is harder than it looks

>>3226175
There were specialized arrowheads meant to penetrate the armor of that time period e.g. brigandine,lamellar and mail.
http://greatmingmilitary.blogspot.com/2015/09/rocket-weaponry-of-ming-dynasty-p1.html

Rocket arrows were used in conjunction with other forms of artillery and used in chemical/incendiary warfare.

>>3222339

tf is that lady doing in the middle of a battle

>>3220348
>>3220643
>>3220812
>>3221112
Good Lord, shitskins are autistic...

>>3220924
>Iranians pretty much invented plate armor, dipshit
>posts scale armor of a culture that never eher utilized full plante

Honka honka, savage idealizing libshit.

>>3227649
Romans raided towns, villages, convoys etc. Raped and murdered everything to death.
That whole 'Germanic female wagon warrior' thing is just a bunch oft cornered, desperate women trying to save their children and anus.

>>3227374
>I used to love these as a kid since watching the Deadliest Warrior episode that featured them, but even then I could sense they were meme weapons. How useful were these in real life?
They are effective weapons, but less than Deadliest Warrior/Hollywood/whatever made them out to be.

Something that can stab, chop, hook, trap and has a not-too-bad hand guard (for a Chinese weapon) is bound to have some uses. It's shorter and heavier than...say, a European arming sword though.

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Japanese bow-spear, when you absolutely need to stab someone to death...with a bow.

Uniquely suited to the Japanese, because their Yumi is the largest in the world.

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>>3227255
The Okinawans did invent the GOAT Police weapon though.

>>3227772
And here I thought Ina's weapon in Samurai Warriors was bullshit.

>>3227791
The bow needs to be stiff enough to be usable as spear though. Something like the weak modern Yumi certainly isn't up to the task.

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Indian Bhuj Battle Axe, with knife pommel typical of Persian influenced weapons.

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A Persian Tabarzin (Saddle Axe).

A cavalryman's weapon: it was an all metal, even the haft. Basically ensuring it has the weight of a mace when it hits home.

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Chinese battle-axes from the Song period.

The long hafted axe at the far left, however, was also a symbol of authority. Wielded by commanders of the van (frontline) of the army like an 18th Century European captain's spontoon.

>>3224765
+120 magical dmg against jews

>>3221017
not korean?

>>3227831
Chinese and Koreans both have same weapons. See this >>3224083

>>3227320
The technology gap became wider during the opium wars, there were 300 years long of differences from 1500s to 1800s. The military tech level of Qing during 19th century was only equal to 17th century Europe.

>>3227301
>Because wood shatters
Only if you shoot it out of a gun. Won't happen with a rocket.

>>3227579
>and because making something aerodynamic, both the missile and the tube it's fired out of is harder than it looks
Indeed harder than simply casting a lead ball, but still very much doable. An arrow by itself is already plenty more aerodynamic than a round lead ball.

>>3221076
those might be the most impractical weapons here

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>>3227320
>Nigga the europeans already had an edge in weapons tech over the chinese in the 1500s
Not really. They were prolly at par. Considering the Chinese were comfily copying European cannon.

Even made some designs of their own. In particular they were more adventurous than Europeans as regards to breech loaders, since Europeans feared breach weaknesses and so opted for muzzle loaders while limiting breach loaders to smaller pieces.

The Chinese meanwhile didn't give a shit. They were amazed when they first saw them form captured Portuguese ships and so applied them even to their biggest guns. So Chink arty of the 1500s probably fired a bit faster.

>>3228079
An arrow is not more realistic than a round lead ball, are you high?

>>3228336
Not sure what kind of drug you are on, but if by "realistic" you mean "aerodynamics", then no. An arrow fly better than a ball.

>>3227772
>Yumi is the largest in the world.
aren't European bows like the English long bow still more powerful though?

>>3221056
The Urumi itt was used by Kushans in berserk, except they made the blade longer. Katars and the horseslayer sword or whatever it was called that Zodd used is a legit weapon as well. But I don't know if they were actually used by the real kushans

>>3222087
isnt that just a fucking spear??

>>3222134
>r Stephen K. Hayes and Masaaki Hatsumi lineages,

Few if any scholars of marial arts or classical Japanese martial artists consider either of them legit.

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>>3227303
Oddly enough, taiaha weren't used like spears but more like fighting staves

>>3225059
autism from Neanderthal dna

>>3222099
VUIJADILA NA BIEREG KATYUSHAAAAAA

>>3229447
A spear is used to jab people
That is used to block katanas since standard ming dynasty iron weapons could not stand against katanas

>>3230731
I find that hard to believe.
the japanese had spear guards too>>3225499
but they were generally made of soft iron or bronze. The idea being that the blade would sightly cut into the soft material and get stuck.

>>3230809
https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%8B%BC%E7%AD%85
A katana can easily cut down lesser quality metal weapons, not to mention poles of standard spears. The multiple layers of angled (and sometimes oiled and poisoned) spikes around the weapon makes samurais unable to cut down the weapon without significant effort.

>>3228592
>aren't European bows like the English long bow still more powerful though?
Umm, there's hardly any record of Yumi's historical draw weight survived. However, since nearly all cultures around the world made war with bows of similar draw weight (80~120 lbs being quite common, 140~160 lbs at higher end), it's almost certain that Japanese used Yumi with similar draw weight to English longbowmen (and archer from other cultures).

We do know that Yumi's draw was way higher in the past (the weak Kyudo bow we see today are Edo period sportified version), and Yumi's entire design actually just screams "I need insane draw weight and I shoot heavy arrow really fucking hard!".

A large bow (such as Yumi, but this equally apply to English longbow) can't shoot arrow very fast since its limbs are heavy and thus move slower. Since large bow can't shoot arrow any faster no matter how light the arrow gets, people just dial up the draw weight and use heavier arrow instead. A heavier arrow packs much more punch than a lighter arrow if both are moving at the same speed.

However, despite both being very large bow, Yumi has several advantages over English longbow: It is reflexed and it can have up to 40!!! inches draw length (shorter at high draw weight due to body tissue compression, but still long compared to longbow's 28~32 inch). So for any given draw weight, a Yumi outperforms English longbow easily and quite massively.

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A Pedang Jenawi...which is basically a Malay copy of Katana (or sometimes Chinese dao).

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>>3225059
If you want really weird, look into siege weapons workshops. Engineers trying to figure out physics and tactics lead to some fun stuff. Not to derail, but, how about the lantern shield as an example?

>>3232413
We have a rough idea that it was around 80-120 for average examples and 140-160 for the most extraordinary ones.

>A katana can easily cut down lesser quality metal weapons, not to mention poles of standard spears

Not if the metal is of any signifigant thickness, and cutting through a spear shaft in a clean manner.... there are stories of nodachi doing such in the hands of famous swordsmen, but for the average guy with an average sword it sounds pretty far fetched to me.

Even if you could cut through the wood, the steel tang of the spear head often extended a good deal into the wood, and was often braced their with a metal collar.

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>>3220348
Somali saber and sheath.

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West African daggers, 12th century?

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Fulani sword with sheath.

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>>3232611
More.

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Swords and daggers from Cameroon. 14th century. All bronze.

>>3232616
there is something about the color of a bronze blade which is more pleasing than steel to me.

>>3232662
They look iron to me

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>>3225059
99% of meme weapons come from India. I saw someone on /his/ theorize that the prominence of wootz steel in India meant more experimentation in weapons. A lack of heavy plate armor in the subcontinent also could have aided in the creation of meme weapons.

Or maybe Indians are just mall-ninja tier edgy.

>>3232561
The Wokou were known to use nodachis and the Chinese reverse engineered them i.e Changdao albeit with Chinese metallurgy.

Ironically,excavated swords from the Han dynasty were superior to their Ming/Sengoku counterparts.

>>3230731
>>3232339
The main reasons Ming troops' swords were easily broken when they fought against Wokou is due to shoddy work and corruption of official weaponsmith in WeiSuo. This situation was also documented in Qi Jiguang's book.

The soldiers of WeiSuo system were already very corrupt and useless when they faced massive Wokou raiding, the weaponsmith of WeiSuo were also corrupt, they took government's money but made shitty weapons with cheap material and lousy craftsmanship, hence the low quality blades. The situation was finally improved after Qi Jiguang took in charge and started his military reform.

This kind of situation almost didn't happen again when Ming soldiers fought Japanese invaders during Imjin war.

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>>3225389
the one thing cumskins know how to do properly

>>3230731
>>3232339
Katana (or any other sword for that matter) that cut through hard metal/other sword is just myth.

And Ming swords are generally better in quality than Japanese Kotō or "old swords" (Japanese swords forged between 900 - 1596 AD).

Japanese Shintō/"new sword" or swords forged between 1596 - 1780 have improved quality, because people during peace time have more time/resource to make high quality stuff. (By that time Ming is no more).

>>3232561
>A katana can easily cut down lesser quality metal weapons
That's not quite true, Chinese troops during WW2 can break Japanese officer's Katana with their crude Da Dao made by railway iron track.

Katana actually was relatively easy to break when clash it with thicker swords and not quite useful to deal with heavy armour.(Thus samurai like to wear heavy armour)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDkoj932YFo

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It is European, but I think this boar-sword is also meme-worthy.

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>>3232677
>A lack of heavy plate armor in the subcontinent also could have aided in the creation of meme weapons.
Pic related.

Indians did copied European plate cuirass and made into their own style, They also had relatively heavy mail-and-plate armor.

>>3232849
Japanese Gunto during WW2 are crap tier barely usable shit.

A well made katana is actually much more robust than the YouTube videos made them out to be. Sure they're stiffer and less springy than European sword, but those are not the qualities Japanese swordsmith sought after.

>>3232849
A few things, first I agree that cutting through metal is a fantasy, with any sword. unless your talking about things like thin sheets

Second gunto were of very low quality in almost all respects.

third that video is stupid and other videos comparing the katana to a long sword are stupid. If you are going to compare the long sword to a Japanese sword you should compare it to a period correct tachi.... which are hardly even made anymore, modern blades tend to have a different cross section than a sengoku blade because they dont have to deal with the stresses of battlefield combat

>>3224158
"I wanna stab my for from far away. I know! I'll make a really long arm with a hand at the end holding a knife!."

*Gets stabbed by spear*

>>3222074
so what youre saying is gunpowder convinced the chinese to merely catch up with the level of fortifications that european and middle eastern people had been constructing for thousands of years already? So it "changed the game" by getting china to catch up with everyone else, how impressive. Point being it wasnt something that could project global power, whereas when europeans got a hold of it thats exactly what it was.

1)be chinese 2)get gunpowder 3)build stone walls

1)be european 2)get gunpowder 3)conquer the majority of earth in record time.

>>3224158
so its a fancy convoluted war pick

>>3225059
Have you ever played a MMO game, RPG or Crafting-fighting like robocraft?
Most people try to have fun, they roleplay and do crazy but fun stuff.
Then you also have the min.maxing faggots that try to have the most efficient build and even do calculations over the game. Guess wich ones are the euros...

>>3220942
Fuck, the wounds must be brutal.

>>3235477
its almost like youre actually being murdered by a shark!

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>All this talking about arrows and funny shaped swords.

Ladies and gentleman, India presents to you: rocket swords!

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>>3236283
This drawing is a bit wrong, while some fly straight and explode, sometimes in mid-air, the sword ones were different. The rockets were designed to spin around, so the edge would cut people and stuff before wasting all the gunpowder.

>>3235334
Both Euros and East Asians do that but the East Asians almost universally do only that.

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Hard to believe they defeated the British

>>3236391
When you're outnumbered 15 to 1 in an unprepared camp, and you only have the worst men and support staff defending, compounded by the solar eclipse that happened at the peak of the battle, it's pretty easy to see the Zulus winning. Also, the British couldn't even open ammo boxes because they had no screwdrivers.

>>3233709
>>3234071
Then you or other people cannot randomly claim katana can easily cut down lesser quality metal weapons, because it really depends on the quality of metals/blades they use, not decided by whether it's katana or not. A decent quality Chinese or European blades can also cut down lesser quality katana. We can actually judge katana by its thin shape and light weight to know this weapon is more likely designed to cut through flesh and bones instead of metals.

Here is another video if you don't like previous one. This guy even intentionally used a much cruder blade made by cheap steel bar he bought from hardware store to test against usual katan, and result is still similar.
https://youtu.be/2t4ojjzJJZ4

>>3237302
This testing is also very similar to the situation during Second Sino-Jap war: Crude sword made by crude metal against mass produce combat sword.

And let's face it, the quality of IJA Gunto couldn't possibly lower than Chinese WW2 DaDao made by peasant blacksmith with iron railway tracks.

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>>3236283
Wacky.

Here is a Ming dynasty sword-gun.

>>3237286
I agree when the British are overwhelmingly incompetent at organizing a battle it's easy to see why they lost.

>>3236354

The cocking lever is on the wrong side of the cord...

>>3220942
This actually makes sense when your piece of clay doesn't have any useful metal whatsoever

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Iroquois flint arrowheads.
They weren't always used as the tips of arrows all the time though. Depending on its size and shape, they would be used as spear tips as well. They were never thrown on their own.
Most often used after a major blow by a war club or axe to further injure, or to dismember enemies.
Outside of battle, they would be used to prep food, skin deer, fish, work hide, etc. I guess there's a reason why one division of the Iroquois, the Mohawk, are called the "people of the flint". It must have been abundant in the area, and they loved using it for material making.
Around my area, you can still find some underground if you're lucky.

>>3220348
damned fandom makes this stuff real

>>3227366
subtle bait

>>3222323
those are some cool fidget spinners

>>3220488
>He doesn't put people's eyes out with bitch-slaps
GET GUD

>>3227816
dark souls weapon

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>>3229281
who used the urumi

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don't know what this is but it was apparently used to detain rowdy samurai

>>3220845
I made one of these as a kid, with a piece of unsharpened iron. Used to practice spinning it and trying to come out of the spin with accurate throws.

>>3241257
As if they were animals.

>>3234902
>Point being it wasnt something that could project global power, whereas when europeans got a hold of it thats exactly what it was.
>One technology was responsible for le projection.
Lelno.

Took Euronigs 5 centuries since the adoption of gunpowder to "project global power." Considering from the 1500s-1600s all they could bother were tribalnigs and stone-aged Americans while skirting like fags around Asian civilizations, doing shit like settling in barely populated SEAsian Islands.

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>>3220348
Tibetan Dham (Dao).

Tibetan weapons range from Orc-tier to Ayy Lmao Sci Fi tier.

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>>3223984
How come the Philippines have so much blades variety?

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>>3241612
There's like a bajillion ethnocultural groups.

Within a group is also shitloads of tribalnigs and small kingdoms & confederacies who have their own subcultures as well.

They do share blade forms though, especially those that came from what is now Indonesia and the maritime empires that were once there.

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>>3241627
Thanks anon!
That's a pretty insane amount of groups

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>>3241669
You should see the other guy.

Welcome to Maritime Southeast Asia.

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>>3241683
How the fuck did any form of a nation exist there?

If there's 1 thing I know tribes fucking hate neighbors

>>3227420
The stubby ones were probably more intuitive to use since you'd still just punch at dudes with it but now you have a blade attached to the front of your fist.

>>3241592
That looks fucking sweet. Did it belong to some rich big shot or something?

>>3241860

The area was unified by the Dutch. Same way "they" formed nations out of the kaleidescope of African tribal regions.

>>3241860
at a certain level of balkanization it is just simpler to work together

>>3227688
What are those, on his legs there? The plate armour looking things?

>>3241257
The mitsu dogi were long weapons that could parry swords and pin someone without killing them, so they were used in police work

>>3241567

more like a deployable tard cage

for autistic screeching of all magnitudes

>>3242587
i was talking more about the ladder

>>3220538
>no joke
You act as if people 5000 years ago didn't know how to make spears.

>>3232604
Third from the right is a fucking butter knife.

bumpu

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>>3242440
Thats laminar armor, where the plates are layered over one another. Plate greaves would look like pic related.

>>3227688

Thats lamellar armor, not scale. The armor plates are rectangular and overlap each other. Scale armor typically has semi circular plates attached to a cloth or leather backing only at the top of each scale.

You're both idiots, problem solved.

>>3232413
IT WAS THE WELSH BOW YOU THIEVING ENGLISH FUCKS

>>3243555
those are just ladders

>>3237302
(I am the guy you replied to) Not me that claim that shit though.

>>3246901
Yeah yeah I know, whatever. Still less efficient than Yumi.

>>3234902
>so what youre saying is gunpowder convinced the chinese to merely catch up with the level of fortifications that european and middle eastern people had been constructing for thousands of years already? So it "changed the game" by getting china to catch up with everyone else, how impressive. Point being it wasnt something that could project global power, whereas when europeans got a hold of it thats exactly what it was.
Nah, Chinese are doing pretty okay until the Mongols assfucked them.

They had no need to "catch up" with the shitty fortifications built by the Europeans either. In fact, China's fortified wall stood up to Opium war-level naval bombardment without a scratch.