Why do United Statians deny their genocide of Native Americans?

>dying from disease
>genocide

Pick one

I wish we had some actual discussions on them instead of this thing all the time. They got fucked in the end - but let's be honest - most tribes were keen on eliminating other tribes too.

>>3219324
Because americans think they are the good guys.

>>3219324
They deserved

If we didnt, we should have.

>>3219324
Genociding locals and replacing them with whites is the only way to have a successfil colonies
The only four European colonies were it happened (USA, Canada, Australia, NZ) are the only successful European colonies

If you keep the locals, you end up like Zimbabwe, Congo or India

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>>3219324

because we never genocided them. What people refer to as the indian genocide happened before any real european settlements took place, and it was a freak accident of disease spreading from contact.

The indians were treated like shit by the US, but werent genocided

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>>3219324
They deserved it.
But memeing aside most people don't deny the fact that we actively tried to remove and displace an entire race.

However there are people who will debate you day and night about the scale and extent of it. Which if we're going to be completely honest with ourselves, we tried to eradicate the Native American population that it exceeds what we did to the Asians and Blacks.

>>3219324
Basically the indigenous Americans' genocide are the American equivalent to any communist or fascist atrocity.

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>>3219403
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

>>3219466

yeah, thats not even close to a genocide.

>>3219466
Protestant entrepreneurs were the scourge of this land.

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>>3219466
Behold the victims of capitalism

>>3219469
Just one of many murderous acts committed against the Indian people and a small number could have represented a larger portion of the population.

>>3219324
Relocation of peoples is hardly a genocide.

>>3219324
>unitedstatians
It's American, not UStatians

>>3219466
Colonialists also caused the extinction of passenger pigeons.

>>3219324
We don't. We don't have to. They're all dead.

>>3219489
American can apply to anyone that lives in North or South America.

In fact, Latin Americans use the term "estadounidense" which essentially means united statian.

>>3220508
>American can apply to anyone that lives in North or South America
But let's not act like it does in practice. You specify with Central, Latin, North or South American. Anyone who would refer to a Paraguayan or Canadian as just American is autistic.

>>3221095
People are stuck calling United statians "Americans' because there the name United Statian is retarded.

It's like if a country in Europe popped up and named themselves united shitholes and start saying HEY GUYS YOU CAN CALL US EUROPEAN.

That's great asshole but the Germans, French and Italians etc. are also European.

Same applies to the Americas. We call them Canadian, Paraguayan etc. because they actually have proper names unlike United Statians but they're still American just like how Germans, Italians etc. are European.

>>3221125

Furthermore, United States describes the form of Government, like People's Republic, or Confederation, or United Kingdom. We don't call them People's Republicans, we call them Chinese, we don't call them Confederates, we call them Swiss, we don't call them United Kingdomers, we call them British.

The autists who insist on calling Americans United Statians should be referred to by their type of government as well. If only /his/ had flags Federative Republicans.

>>3221231
We can call them Chinese, Swiss and british because they have actual names. Unlike United Statians.

>>3219472
>Every death ever is due to capitalism

Commies plz stahp.

>>3221241
You could use Texans, Californians, New Yorkers etc. but that does unfortunately not reflect the entire monstrosity of a "federation". Maybe in the not so far future, in case they finally do us the favour to balkanise.

United Statians is by now the most appropriate term I have come across, especially since they are fierce statists.

If you want it less formal, burger works well too and does justice to their "culture".

>>3219472
>Hur dur, every Western act of cruelty was directly caused by capitalism
Leave you brainlet communist

>>3221287
"American" also works fine, since that's what literally everyone who isn't a shit-tier beaner calls them

>>3221364
Wrong. Americans are the injuns. Their origin is the Americas.

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>>3219324

>Native Americans were reduced to a fraction of their former territory and numbers by a variety of causes, but a fully coordinated plot to massacre them wholesale never existed contrary to the opinion of liberals. Nearly all massacres were piecemeal and often retaliatory ("you shoot a few of my settlers, I shoot a few hundred of your tribe kind" of thing). Since the 1970s, popular attitude towards Native Americans has been more reconciliatory, which even at its worst is better than the situation Natives endure in other parts of the Americas where the Indian Wars are in effect, still going on (ex. Zapatistas).
>tl;dr the Indian Wars were closer to a very brutal free-for-all between Europeans and various tribes than they were to the Holocaust, and attempting to equate the two makes you look like an idiot.

-NBF (the /pol/lack)

>>3219328
that post looks cold might you wear this blanket and feel better

>>3219469
indian wars, constant relocation, inablity to become citizens without losing track of heritage. sounds like a social, geographic, and national genocide to me.

Here's all the US history that fits into the brain cells of the average American:
1) George Washington frees the slaves
2) We save the world from Hitler
3) Dead Kennedys and hippies
4) 9/11

>>3219324
Euro here. Can someone actually elaborate as to why the Indians didn't deserve it? From what I know they are savages who smell like shit.

>>3219324
We don't. In school kids are taught about the diseases and Wounded Knee.

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>>3221459
Its a lot more nuanced than it seems, some Natives actually got along with the Europeans and Americans while others like the Comanche, Hurons and Arikara ranged from ornery to down right savage. There were some legitimate backstabbings on both sides and things just sort of fell apart and the rest is history.

I remember reading that some tribes grew to the point that there are more of them around today than at any point in their history, also they've effectively been immortalized thanks to American culture.

>>3221475
Also, diseases, people don't seem to understand how much diseases fucked the Natives up

>>3219328

Like >>3219384 said, Americans deny their genocide of the Native Americans because it doesn't fit with their world view that they are upstanding freedom-loving people that are heroes in a wicked world.

>>3219401
Well...hes not wrong

>>3219403
Disease may have been accidentally spread with original contact but that doesn't excuse the organized persecution that followed.

>>3219324
I wouldn't say that people deny it. They just don't care because it was a long time ago and we were the winners.

>>3219324
We don't.
>United Statians
Fuck off, spic

>>3219324
Genocide requires government policy, only California had that and everyone hates California anyway

>>3219486
It is if you don't give a shit about how you do it and many die from starvation, disease, and deprivation.

>>3219493
Is this meant to be for or against OPs statement?

>>3221577

agreed, but persecution isnt genocide