Why are Turks so militaristic?

>>3213644
what god awful movie is this from?

>>3213662
give me a template for this

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Dunno that's because we're surrounded by our enemies i guess. Even our most important leaders in history were military leaders including Ataturk himself.

>victims are women, check
>the perpetrators are male, rightwing, and bigoted, check
Literally the fascist nightmare people fear in the West. We will never be at peace until everyone of these para-militarists are flattened.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2f4_1477820770

>>3213837
>victims

Who told them to join the PKK?

>>3213651
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7146600/?ref_=m_nm_knf_i2
tv series

>>3213662
Explain Afghanistan then

>>3213644
Turkish men are actually very effeminate.

t. someone who travels to Turkey regularly.

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>>3214187
I can easily beat you up kid

>>3213644
They seem a bit over-equipped if all they are going to shoot are commie rats

>>3214215
I very much doubt that.

In any case, the average Turkish man is like 5'7. Half of them wear makeup. Half the men in the larger cities look like trannies.

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>>3213644
They're tribal nomadic people which adopted Islam for a religion. That's why they're militaristic.

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>>3214215
>esse areia negro

muslim countries are either militaristic or islamic.

both appeal to young men, and all muslim countries have a surplus of young stupid men.

They have the Khan's blood.

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>>3213644
>>3214353

They are a militaristic race who were militaristic NOT because of religion but because of culture (like saxons and later prussian-saxons or japanese).

This gave them an advantage. Turks glorify death in battle. Before Turks convertes to Islam, "shahadat" was the concept of dying for God and religion. But Turks literally BENT Islam, and forced them to accept the notion of death for your country as a holy act.

Even to this day, Turks are exponentially more likely to fight for their country and they view dodging the draft as a shame. They believe that the highest echelong of heaven, are the honored dead who died in battle. Back when they were Tengriist, they viewed the honored dead as sitting with Ulgan the god of valor, son of Tengri. Now they have inscribed the same thing to "being beside Muhammad in heaven". Before them, martyrs were only on the sixth heaven. But after Turks hijacked Islam around 1100s, most hallowed of the dead are those who have died for their country.

This fetish of glory gave them an edge in whichever state they fought with.

t. russian medieval history major

>>3213644
Turks are born out of anal sex with each other. This gives them a high birth rate, a foul smell, a rapid generational turnover, and lower intelligence. It's not surprising that they put less of a value on their own lives than other, more human people, and as a result are more violent and inclined to risk their necks on stupid shit. Militarism is a natural outgrowth of this.

>>3213644
Why are Turks incapable of contributing to the arts or sciences?

>>3214552
>efore them, martyrs were only on the sixth heaven. But after Turks hijacked Islam around 1100s, most hallowed of the dead are those who have died for their country.
Where can I learn more about this?

>>3214884
>Turks incapable of contributing to the arts

Umm no, try again sweety

>>3214179
The country that has been decades resisting with hunting rifles and goat shit the occupation by the strongest and most expensive military in the history of mankind?

>>3215165
who goes hunting with rpgs and dshkas?

>>3215320
Ronald Reagan apparently

>>3215320
Afghans, duh

>>3215116
Hanafi Islam is the one Turks modified, where you can drink alcohol and it isn't a cardinal sin or have sex before marriage and it can be forgiven

>>3215139
Its true though, roach.

>>3214552
>But Turks literally BENT Islam, and forced them to accept the notion of death for your country as a holy act.

Fuck. So Turks are partially responsible for making Islam become the way it is?

>>3215464
No, that would be the Saudis Wahabis, if you're talking about extremism and terrorism

>>3213644
They can't build anything on their own so they have to conquer other people.

>>3215464
Turks were encouraging Sunni extremist in Islam since the mid-1800s, so yes.

>>3214552
Except few "Turks" are actually Turkic at all.

>militaristic
>their conquest was accomplished by using the children of their enemies for war
If anything, they're cunning shameless manipulators and deceivers. Throne-lickers and slimy merchant-like man-cats. They're what /pol/ stereotypes Jews to be.

>>3215499
t. clueless ignoramus

Turks were betrayed in WWI by Wahabis, and Ummah Islamists they loathe them to this day, lynching gulf arabs and syrians in their heartland.

>>3215501
Racial families are cultural families. Culture is defined by mother tongue. Turkic families are united by language just like slavs and germanics.

Or did you believe Westphalians had anything to do with Sudetenlanders AT ALL?

lmao

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>>3215501
>Culture of the Ruling Class doesn't trickle down to subjects.

Lol, Turkic military culture has pervaded in the middle east so much, a lot of military things we associate with the middle east (say, the curved sword) emerged from all those Turkic slave-soldiers, invaders, and dynasties that ruled there.

>>3215501
This is my favorite meme
t. """actual""" turk that has slanted eyes.

>>3215584
also the funniest part is that only Amerimutts or some retarded wh*Tey force that meme just like how they force "herp greeks are not ancient greek" or "derp, lebs are not related to phonecians". Those subhumans also never shut up despite the fact that they don't know anything about genetics or culture or history at all.
pls just stop.

>>3215537
>their conquest was accomplished by using the children of their enemies for war

yes let's forget Sipahis, Cebelüs, Akıncıs and other Turkish soldiers who made up majority of the Ottoman army and contributed a lot to conquests.

>>3215570
>he fell for the elite domination meme
don't do that.

>>3215501
t. urk

>>3215559
Wrong, Memet.

>>3215646
he's probably not a t. urk, rather, an Amerimutt whose genetic knowledge never goes beyond eupedia haplogroup maps.
but they're fun to talk to, they always lose arguments.

>>3215653
Go back to kindergarten kiddo, this place is beyond you

>>3215688
You'll find that unlike Turkish education, most of us are well beyond that level, roach.

>>3215694
You sound mad friendo. Why do you assume I'm Turkish? Why do you feel the need to type roach? Not everyone is your enemy, or a turk.

But really, you should go now to some other board that fits your dwindling intellectual capacity. I know being untermensch must be tough.

>>3213644
Because they are primitive. Ever noticed how they never contributed to arrs and science?

>>3215709
*arts

>>3215713
>what is the hagia sophia

>>3215694
>most of us are well beyond that level
Actually you are not, most of you are just retarded teenagers/ameribrainlets who play a lot of paradox games. I doubt any of you actually read a book about history. You are just retarded but i'm addicted to this place because i have bully complex i guess.
And no, i'm not him by the way.

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>>3215694
>types roach
>speaks of education
>being beyond anything

hiv+ vector slavshits truly never learn

>>3215717
Greco-Latin in origin.

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>>3215584
>>3215591
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Turkish_people
>Several studies have concluded that the genetic haplogroups indigenous to Western Asia have the largest share in the gene pool of the present-day Turkish population

Read the citations and weep, byzantine bois.

>>3215718
>>3215706
Memet, why are you samefagging?

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>>3215777
>Wikipedia
Good source.
Now let's talk about real science itt.
>Byzantine boy
ah. I remember you. I wrecked you in one of my threads.

>>3215706
>N-no you
Typical T*rk behavior.

>>3215570
>>3215584
>>3215565
>>3215646
WE WUZ MONGOLZ N SHIET NIGGA

DEM AYYRABS JUST FUCKIN WITH US BY LOOKING LIKE US TOO

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>>3215777
Also read the citations.
Most of them are about Y/MT dna which are pretty irrelevant when it comes to detecting actual genetics.
However, one citation was this
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4904778/
this link does not prove that we're n. anatolian, rather, it tells that we're a mix of c. asians (which actually means mongoloid dna that turks have ranging from 5% to 25%) and whoever lived in Anatolia (I suppose not Native Anatolians since they were possible replaced by Greeks)

>>3215826
Silence, wh*Te subhuman. Your superiors are talking here. Do you have the permission to post itt?

>>3215802
Source?

>>3215853
Gedmatch results of some Turks
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?188673-Turkish-Autosomal-DNA-West-Central-and-East-Anatolian-Turks

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>>3215802
Here's your sources Anatolian.

Anthropology & Archeology of Eurasia
Issue: Volume 50, Number 1 / Summer 2011Pages: 6 - 42
>enough evidence to show that massive migration into Anatolia from the east was not responsible for the linguistic Turkicization of the peninsula.
>Turkish speaking anatolians are irano-armenians who adopted the turkish lingua franca of the invaders
>Turkish speaking Anatolians are mostly Anatolian Greeks, except in the eastern provinces where they are Caucasian, Armenian, Iranic (Kurdish mainly), and Semitic (Assyrian-Arab).
>http://dienekes.blogspot.com.au/2011/09/who-are-anatolian-turks-reappraisal-of.html

Human Genetics 114:2 (January 2004): pages 127-148
>"The major components (haplogroups E3b, G, J, I, L, N, K2, and R1; 94.1%) are shared with European and neighboring Near Eastern populations and contrast with only a minor share of haplogroups related to Central Asian
Below are Y-DNA haplogroups Cinnioğlu's team found among Anatolian Turks:
>E1b1b1 = 10.7% (common in the Mediterranean region)
>G = 10.9% (common in the Caucasus, also found in the Middle East)
>I = 5.3% (common in Central Europe, the Western Caucasus, and the Balkans)
>J1 = 9% (common in Arabia and Daghestan)
>J2 = 24% (common in Western Asia and Southeastern Europe and also found in Central and South Asia)
>K = 4.5% (common in Asia and the Caucasus)
>L = 4.2% (common in India and Khorasan)
>N = 3.8% (common in Eastern Europe and North Asia, including Siberia [e.g. Turkic-speaking Yakuts], the Altai Mountains region, and the Ural Mountains >region - the article however did not consider N to come to Turkey's Turks from North Asia)
>Q = 1.9% (common in North Asia including Northern Altaic peoples)
>R1a = 6.9% (common in Central Asia, the Caucasus, Eastern Europe, and among Indo-Aryans)
>R1b = 14.7% (common in Western Europe)
>T = 2.5% (common in the Mediterranean, South Asia, and Northeastern Africa)

>>3215865
Why are you such an Arabid in appearance?

>>3215865
>wikipedia

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>>3215865
https://evolutionistx.wordpress.com/2016/02/19/turkey-not-very-turkic-a-genetic-history-of-the-turkic-peoples/
Note how similar the Anatolian's genetic makeup is to the Greek's. Pic related.

>ah. I remember you. I wrecked you in one of my threads.
Lmao the fuck are you holding a grudge against me for? I'm just a bored shitposter.

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>>3215885

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>>3215865
>Literally citing Dienekes as a source
Dienekes is not a reliable source since his tested orphan kurds as Turks.
here's a literal study >>3215831
now let's go over with what you wrote

>Muh haplogroup
Haplogroups are not the indicator of your ancestry. Pic related for example, do you see any similarity between Uyghurs and Italians?

further reading

http://etd.lib.metu.edu.tr/upload/12607764/index.pdf

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>>3215892
>Literally posted a blogger's site as "proof"
Why are you wh*Tes so retarded?
>Lmao the fuck are you holding a grudge against me for? I'm just a bored shitposter.

I don't hold a grudge against you, i just consider you as a retard who ruins these kinds of threads.
>Note how similar the Anatolian's genetic makeup is to the Greek's. Pic related.

Now let's make it more detailed.

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>>3215788
ouch

another newfag btfo, you must really suffer irl with that iq

>>3215921
>response: 25 minutes later
Oh shit we got a real genius roach here!

>>3215900
Etruscans are rumored to have been proto turkic

>>3215925
Don't mistake everyone for me, anon. Have you no respect for your mother?
t. not him.

>>3215925
lmao, I am reading other things you utter loser. I can feel your ass burning from here

stay rekt kid

>>3215900
Going by the sparse information in the map you posted you're just as closely related to Italians and Azerbaijanis as you are to the mongols.

>Haplogroups are not the indicator of your ancestry
What is then?

>Posting "evidence" from a Byzantine university.
Please, even you should know how shit Turkish education is.

>Now let's make it more detailed.
Averaging out the statistics on the chart you posted shows that not only that central Asian influence on Anatolian is circumstantial , and can be explained by the limited mixing of the upper classes with Asian nomads. But that Anatolians have a greater genetic similarity to indians than to the Mongol hordes.

>>3215925
KEK will you ever recover?

>>3215921
>Editing out the first (You)
>saving it in jpg to hide the shoop with artifacts
Nice try Mehmet

>>3215929
>>3215932
Its not working, roach.

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>>3215937
>KEK

>>3215939
try submitting it to imageedited and see if there are any edits.

suicide is your only remaining option after this moronic embarassment

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>>3215929
>>3215932
>>3215937
>>3215956
He's right though (You) T*rks aren't good at even shitposting or hiding your samefagging. And by T*rks I just mean T*rk.

>>3215935
>What is then?
It indicates who was your oldest male ancestors 20.000-40.000 years ago. You could have J1 as your Y-Dna yet have like 0.1% semitic dna in you.
>Please, even you should know how shit Turkish education is.
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Yep it seems i've won the argument here. Easy and nice. If that's how you disprove a 169 pages long study then i have bad news for you.
>Averaging out the statistics on the chart you posted shows that not only that central Asian influence on Anatolian is circumstantial , and can be explained by the limited mixing of the upper classes with Asian nomads. But that Anatolians have a greater genetic similarity to indians than to the Mongol hordes.

Seljuks were not Mongolians.
>>3215946
>>3215949
Stop crying you anally annihilated (F)ersians
Daddy is here, reply to me.

ITT: Butthurt persians crying like bitches to Turks like they always do

>>3215694
>>3215788
>>3215963
>>3215949
>>3215939
>>3215946
>>3215925
All this samefagging is kind cringy untermensch

>>3215694
>>3215788
>>3215963
>>3215949
>>3215939
>>3215946
>>3215925
All this samefagging is kinda cringy untermensch

>>3215977
>>3215978
>roach samefagging again

>>3215964
>Yep it seems i've won the argument here.
Knocking over the chess pieces and strutting around the room doesn't mean you've won the game.

But seriously, I would not trust an educational establishment which rejects something as scientifically sound as evolution. Let alone basic genealogy.
>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/23/turkey-will-stop-teaching-evolution-schools-education-ministry/

>Seljuks were not Mongolians.
You're right, they were a mixture of Persians and Oghuz Turks. The latter who are more closely related to the Pechenegs than Central Asians.

>>3215990
t. really mad shiite arab (aka persian)

>>3216000
Seljuks had 0% persian blood.

Seljuk law forbade any children from Persian stock women because they were viewed as "too swarthy". I kid you not. There are diwani poems from Seljuk era humorously poking fun at how ugly persian women are and how fair turks are in comparison.

There is even an Oghuz saying that basically goes, 'to marry a persian above a turk, would be to ride a limping donkey instead of a beautiful mare"

>>3213644
They fear the Christian warrior

>>3216000
Ok
>>3216008
Ancestors of Seljuks probably mixed with Iranians in Turkmenistan (Dahaeans) rather than (F)ersians themselves.

>>3215978
>>3215977
>>3216001
German/Dutch/English masterrace, Memet Al-Tengri-Wan-Abi kun.

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Why did Turks fear the Baguette Warrior?

>>3216039
>Egyptians are Turks now
My wewuzzing about ancient egyptians has been justified
>>3216028
>German/Dutch/English
subhumans

>>3216039
The only general to defeat Napoleon with less men remains Cezzar Pasha, a Turk.

>>3215499
Very wrong, a lot of the 18th-19th century extremist islamsit movements were started against the Ottoman Dominion. Saudis being the most famous.
>>3215464
>>3215499
But they influenced islam albeit in 10th-11th century, by chen Umayyad style conquest was coming to an halt either due to "tiredness" or lazyness, but turks who were tribal raider nomads before islam, continued to be tribal raiding nomads after their conversion. Hence the push into byzantine terriotory and reason of Crusade.
Very similar to Vikings who become "christian" but kept most of their raiding and raping traditions
>>3214552
Nice observation

>>3216045
>>3216061
You can't fool me, cockroach.

>>3213662
They weren't Muslims the first time they came around bruh.

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>>3214271
It's actually 5'6

>>3213662
Houthis are Arab.

Turks there is one thing you need to do repent and take Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

Remember that in the Apocalypse of John the Seven churches of Asia all lie in Asia Minor. Repent and join the congregation of Christ or be damned in eternal hellfire when the Second Coming arrives. Recant the satanic religion of antichrist Muhammad that led to the god fearing innocent Christians being massacred by the misguided savagery of your ancestors.

>>3217480

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4qpT_ow3sc

>>3217480
Muslims do believe in Jesus to be the Messiah though. They just don't believe he was the son of God and and that he was crucified.

>>3214271
>make up

Wtf are you talking about man, if someone did that he would get beat up for being a fag.

>>3215418
Sex before marriage is definitely a sin though and in more traditional places it can get you killed or disowned.

>>3215763
It looks better with the minarets.

>>3217480
Turks venerate Jesus though.

Isa is a given name. Turkic Hanafi school of Islam views Jesus as a bona fide main prophet who was a chosen messenger of God like Abraham, (though not his literal son)

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Turks aren't as incompetent as their Arab cousins, but they're still an absolute shower.

>>3218096
>arab cousins

Go back to /pol/ with that shitty education bro

>>3218113
Arabs are the closest thing they have to cousins. They're joined by religion and the absolute inability to unfuck themselves.

>>3218080
Turks assist in the destruction of churches and genocide of fragile remants of Christianity and if they tolerate them it is only at times of piece for the raking in of tourism revenue which would be liable to being promptly abandoned when any turmoil should arise and they pretty much eliminated the Christian presence in their historical lands.

>>3218141
*peace

>>3218141
not true
Ottoman Empire was incredibly tolerant for its time and let Christians practice their religion in return for a tax
Christian Empires were not so tolerant with nonbelievers they conquered

>>3218141
>what is ottoman tolerance
>what is pax turci
>what is mehmed II's firman to franciscan catholics

jesus christ you /pol/ stragglers are so ignorant, please go back

>>3218153
Wanting tolerance after all the shenanigans they pulled. Keep in mind this was centuries before democracy and free speech.

>>3213644
what civilization worth a damn isn't?

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Hijacking this thread for a bit, Why did the the various Arab statelets after the Abbasid breakup make such extensive use of Turkic Ghulams as Cavalry? Were Ghulams actually that elite or were they valued because of their political use (Being an outsider=If they deposed you they would not last long)?

>>3218177
>Ottoman tolerance
A historical revision and meme.

>>3216008
source?

>>3218033

Well, I didn't see anyone getting beaten up when I was there, and a lot of men were wearing makeup.

>>3219059
He's lying. He has no sources.

>>3219082
Yeah, it completely sounds off. You don't cherish their culture, but not intermarry with them.

I do remember reading one Persian poet who said the Persian and Turk don't trust each other, though.

>>3215499
Man head of Wahab is swimming at Boshoporus right now