Soviet–Afghan War

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>>3200712

Should've let the Soviets have it.

>>3200717

At the time, the Eternal Kebab seemed like the lesser evil compared to the Eternal Bolshevik. Sadly, we were wrong.

>>3200753
Bolsheviks were fucking dead by 30's, stop painting it as righteous clash of ideologies for fuck's sake

>>3200712
More like Soviet Union vs the World

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Daily reminder that this could've been prevented under communist Afghanistan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B17lAVteRKk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IOAHOhuachk

>>3200773
>trading one cancer for the other
hardly an improvement

Why does soviet military hardware look so fucking cool?

Had some good jams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4

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>>3200790
soviet infrastructure has the best aesthetic

The Soviets Vietnam about sums it up. Won every battle, but lost the war.

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>>3200790

Because it's actually in use in these pics rather than rusting away in some scrapyard as usual.

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>>3200790

1980's Soviet gear has a wonderful harshness to it.

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>>3200802

>Buran will never fly in space

*tearful sobbing intensifies*

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>>3200811
Every country has boneyards

>>3200855
>>3200811
Why won't they just sell these to some shitty country?

>>3200859
No one wants them

>>3200859
Logistically I want you to work through that question

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>>3200855

>ywn see a 1,000 bomber B-52 raid

feelsbadman

>>3200859

A lot of aircraft have classified materials/parts such as computers that are critical to operating the aircraft but you don't want falling into outside hands.

With more common vehicles like tanks, there's not enough customers to buy all of them. An African dictator might just buy the immediately serviceable ones and not bother with the ones that would require extensive repairs.

>>3200862
I want one to live in

>>3200873
do it again bomber Harris
>>3200866
>>3200862
ok, dumb question
But I see now, thanks anons

>>3200859
>dude let's just sell every single bit of military hardware we're not using right now lmao

>>3200883
>implying I meant all
wew-a-we-wa anon

>>3200883
Boneyard isn't a mothball, it's a literal scrapyard
they don't sell "newer" stuff because of tech transfer and still useful spare parts

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>>3200859

When the F-14 Tomcat was retired from service, the US Navy ordered the overwhelming majority of aircraft to be immediately destroyed rather than put into storage or resold abroad out of concerns that Iran (the only other user of the F-14) might obtain and cannibalize them to service their own aircraft. Only a handful of airframes were saved to be put on display and only after they were stripped of the components that made them airworthy.

>>3200897
That's some weapons grade fucking autism.
How many fighter jest does Iran even have in service? 20? How many does US have? 5,000?

>>3200959
5k? that is not a lot anon. They need more

>>3200961
>5000 fighter jets is not a lot

Someone post one of those retard wojaks I don't have one onhand

>>3200963
NEEDS MORE ANON
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND
THERE MUST BE MORE

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>>3200959
>>3200963

712 F-14s were built between 1969 and 1991, of which 79 were sold to Iran (it was supposed to be 80 but the last plane was withheld because of the fall of the Shah). 19-44 of them are estimated to be still in service (quite impressive considering their age and the fact the Iranians only bought 10 years worth of replacement parts).

Ironically enough, the F-14 showed its true combat potential in Iranian service rather than American. 160 air-to-air kills.

>>3200811
>>3200855
Shouldn't these just me salvaged? That's a lot of fucking steel!

>>3201926
The steel is the least valuable thing on those planes. Computers, wiring, engines, and other pieces of technology are not only top secret but extremely expensive.

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>>3200712
It displaced my dad, he was belonged to a semi-aristocratic family though and managed to leave two weeks before the 40th army's invasion on Christmas day. Besides leaving everything they owned behind they were safe.

I know a bunch about what life was like in Afghanistan from April 1978 (Afghan communist party takeover AKA Saur Revolution) to December 1979 (Russian invasion), so fire away with questions
>tfw my dad is basically an older version of the author of the kite runner
>tfw my dad's dad was a diplomat
>tfw my dad left at 15
>tfw my dad went to France too and became fluent in French
>tfw my dad became American citizen
>tfw my dad returned in the late 2000s

>>3201987
PS even though communism is the scourge of all evil I still think the commies should've won this one. Look at Tajikistan to the north, poor but safe.

>>3201998
Yeah but it's full of Tajiks and nobody wants that. They should've been purged from Afghanistan, tumors in human form.

>>3202293
t. ivan
Fuck you
https://youtu.be/w6KESF6OACA

>>3202296
I'm Pashtun you boyfucking, dogfighting pedophile Tajik shit.

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>>3200712
I'll just leave this here...

>>3202473
I'm half Kabuli half European, no need to fight

>>3200712
Good guys lost

>>3200785
Taming islam with socialism/communism is always a good approach.

>>3200802
What the fuck is that, a death ray super weapon????

>>3200873
Based Bomber "I would have destroyed Dresden again" Harris

>>3201987
why the fuck would you return to that shithole?

>>3202743
Do you have any fucking idea how many opportunities there are to make money over there right now? Plus he already has the connections and cultural understanding

Honestly sick of the whole interloping in Muslim countries thing.

my father was there and when he sleeps sometimes he starting yelling in sleep and shit like this i think its PTSD

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from a CIA report on drugs in the Soviet Afghan war

>the use of heroin by pilots has led to an increase in helicopter crashes

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>>3203786

>mfw a convicted drug addict playing a CIA pilot in Air America was 100% historically accurate

>>3202473
>I'm Pashtun
My condolences

>>3202633
>kabuli

>>3205265
Yea, what? My paternal side didn't really belong to a tribe, they were wealthy westernized people with major ties to the royal family. I took a genetics test and got just about equal Tajik/Pashtun after importing it into GEDmatch

Niggers are tribal.

>>3205265
>>3205339
Forgot to say, they probably were just a mix of Tajik/Pashtun. That's it though, no hazara or others with east asiatic features

>>3200897
>out of concerns that Iran (the only other user of the F-14) might obtain and cannibalize them to service their own aircraft.

Ah, the good old Zionists in the government hard at work destroying the US taxpayer's dollar.

>>3205344
Ahhh, I was just confused why you called yourself kabuli.

>>3205895
Well I'm half european, doesn't mean I partake in european culture. I'm half kabuli in the same sense.

>>3202561

>mfw Fisk has been slobbering on muslim terrorist knob for decades

We should've never given the Afghans those stingers.

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>>3200712
More like the Afghan civil war. Fugging Anglos.

>>3206106
Should have posted this instead. Same song with war footages
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4

>>3202754
Tell me about it senpai

>>3200816
>no commie space wars

why live

>>3200717

>soviets win
>an unstable socialist republic is established
>soviet union falls in 1991
>socialist afghanistan is all alone
>civil war fully breaks out
>radical islamist groups take over

I cant see anything different happening

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>>3200712

Look at all the Afghan leaders in that wiki post... Then one American leader.

Thanks for training them to fight giant nations. Not like that ever turned around to bite us right?

>>3200717
Got more images like this one? Dude on the right looks exactly like the GRU soldiers from MGS3

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>>3207654
Not really.

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>>3207687

>>3206151
What do u wanna know? Because they were wealthy they had a code word when skipping curfew to not get shot (it was: the people's party) and the freedom fighters had nightly radio broadcasts my dad always tuned into despite the major risks. His classmates would occasionally get dragged off and killed and (being upper class) he was always pressured to join communist meetings, sometimes at knifepoint. Lots more but it was horrible compared to the mostly secular Afghanistan he had lived in the other 14 years of his life.

>>3200753
The kebabs are useless puppets, they didn't become a problem until the West started giving a platform to the marxists who started using racial divide politics which resulted in this new machine we have today of blowing up the middle east in order to import brown men.

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>>3201907

>>3202688
t. Ba'athist

>>3209142

Is there an Iranian version of Top Gun yet?

>>3200717

This picture is actually from Dagestan.

It played a part in imperialisticly fucking up the middle east so I can't say I support it but for the situation they were in they should have won.

I blame the asshole cousin who ousted the king from power. Things were relatively fine under King Mohammed Zahir Shah.

The dumbest decision the ussr leaders ever made which brought the collapse.

>>3205609
>destroying the US taxpayer's dollar.
It'd cost more to keep them in a boneyard than it would to scrap them. Nice kike boogeyman though.

>>3200712
>Soviet commitment in Afghanistan
>14,000ish killed, about 54,000 wounded.

>American commitment in Vietnam
>58,318 dead, 300,000 wounded badly enough to require hospitalization, more that were more lightly wounded.

And yet it's America that's the infamously casualty averse country. Where does the meme come from exactly?

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>>3200712
related

>>3216532
>14,000ish killed, about 54,000 wounded.
Not enough dead commies

I'm Russian so I guess I'll share our perspective on it.
>Brezhnev decided that current leader of Afghanistan isn't friendly and obedient enough, for being a Soviet neighbour
>Gets a new guy in power - who, while being a lot more obedient is also fucking retarded
>Starts cracking down on Islam in a country that's mostly Muslim
>unsurprisingly tribal communities rebel
>The new Afghan leader, being a bitch that he is can't fight the rebellion, so he runs to daddy Brezhnev and calls for help
>Soviet army enters Afghanistan to serve as peacekeeping forces, the whole thing is portrayed as internationalist duty (that's part is still in the veteran's titles)
>suddenly discovers that an army designed to smash through the combines NATO focrces isn't best suited for peacekeeping missions in heavily mountainous areas, where finesse and precision are required
>the only difference between a peaceful afghani shepard and an Islamist rebel is that the islamist has his AK pointed at you, while the shepard has it hidden somewhere
>Also CIA is giving them guns, singers and is importing more Islamists from Pakistan, setting up training camps there
>Soviet army slowly gets better at fighting the guerillas, realise the importance of elite forces like VDV and Spetsnaz, the rebels are contained but whenever Soviet army leaves an area they reappear again - the local government still can't do shit
>Brezhnev finally dies, the new guy is Gorbachev, full of hope, but lacking in competence
>pulls the army out of Afghanistan, it's incompetent government falling over soon after
>Afghan heroin starts flowing into USSR in unholy amounts, as it still does - we did have a border with them after all
The only good thing about the whole ordeal was that we got some training in dealing with sneaky rebels before the whole Chechnya thing started.

>>3216532
Apples and oranges.

War in Afganistan was pure COIN.

>>3216532

The Soviets hadn't fought a major war in nearly forty years by that point so it came as a shock to them. America on the other hand had at least one major military operation that required mobilization of tens of thousands of troops for every decade of the Cold War.