Does this mean the collapse of capitalism?

>>3194128
>europe
>capitalist

>>3194128
No, it just means your society will collapse unless your governments start promoting family values and encourage reproduction. Before one of you even say muh migrants, no. That will make Europe collapse even more.

>>3194324
>before you make a valid point about an influx of young workers, let me dismiss it

>>3194128
Nah it means the rise of the robotics industries.

The free market will find a solution.

>>3194324
Bur yeah, muh migrants. And it won't collapse anything, you'll just have to learn Arabic.

>>3194387
but

>>3194362
>>3194331
The free market caused it by destroying the middle class. Importing low skill workers that drive down the cost of labor isn't a solution.

>>3194331
Okay let me dismiss it.
1. These people are all fucking poor that come in. So whole point of this is to have more people to support the aging population, yet you want to bring a bunch of poor uneducated migrants in that will just suck up the generous welfare states of these countries. So now not only do we have to support grandma and grandpa, but also every single migrant that comes here. Before you even mention America, let's remember that there wasn't a welfare system during the original influx of immigrants. Many had to go home because they couldn't make it. It was by no means a giant hugbox for "oppressed" people to come over and cry.
2. If you want a truly civil society, a majority of your younger people need to be naturalized citizens that are brought up from birth in their country. This is your home, these are your people, take care of it and them. Easily assimilated, they don't even need to assimilate. Why? Because they're fucking born here.
3. This is probably going to make you pop a blood vessel in your head, but that doesn't mean I'm not right. Cultural and ethnic homogeneity are the best way to run a country. Human beings feel a lot more at ease, in a community, and willing to help their fellow man when they are familiar. You can sit here and call it racist until you're blue in the face, but it still rings true. Not only do the migrants coming in now have a completely alien culture to the Europeans, but they refuse to assimilate. They live in their own little enclaves and when they come out, they cause havoc because they can't handle a white woman not covering her head. I'm sick of hearing about rape. I'm sick of hearing about attacks. And I am sick and tired of hearing people say it is OUR fault for not bowing to these people who are being given the opportunity to come to OUR land.

Promote the nuclear family and child rearing at home.

>>3194387
No, what will happen is you fuckers will all start killing one another and Europe will look like it did in the 1940's. You guys were doing so good, but you just had to let Germany reunite and fuck everything up again.

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>>3194362
>>3194337
The future is red

>>3194392
No. It has nothing to do with middle class destruction, it's a cost of raising kids against affordable leisures.

>>3194400
Nobody is going to kill one another, that's why Western governments are working out high tech police state.

>>3194400
Burger here, so correct me if I'm wrong. Both the UK and France appear to have large droves of immigrants that have failed to integrate on their own. Can you blame that on Germany?

>>3194412
>cost of raising kids against affordable leisures
Kids have always been expensive though. The problem is lots of people are simply opting out to avoid the time and money sink that young children cost.

I have 2 lovable brats myself, but the start up costs are tremendous with little emotional reward until 1-3 years in.

>>3194431
He's talking out his ass because the EU has liberal immigration policies. He probably doesn't know that both the U.K. and France have programs that make it easier for people from former colonies to move there.

>>3194444
CHECKED
QUADS OF CORRECTNESS

>>3194431
>>3194444
I was jacking around about the last sentence because everyone loves to hate on muh Fourth Reich, but I do think there's going to be a mini clash of civilizations in Europe at some point in the near future.

>>3194409
lol that iamge
>dude you'll work less with socialism
>dude you'll control everything with socialism
>dude you're a slave now
thanks for the epic lolz my fellow pissed off proletariat

>>3194128
Capitalism will collapse anyway because it's not sustainable.

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>>3194686
>Thanks, but l like rather suck my boss's dick

Ok, classcuck.

>>3194711
Oh man, I love it! You said the funny "cuck" word! Holy shit, those fucking capitalist fascists must be crying right now! Keep up the good work, dude!

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ITT: collectivist anarchism memes. Fascism will replace the left right dichotomy. Suck it fags

>>3194442
>Kids have always been expensive though
Kids traditionally have been a profit.

That's why the definitely not very rich Amish have so many of them. They eventually pay for themselves as free family labor on a farm.

That's no longer true though, obviously.

>>3194743
>Kids traditionally have been a profit.
*Necessity and moral imperative for the good of those around you in shaping the next generation. Which is still true.

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>>3194726
Nice non argument anon, So you are more a wageslave then. But not worry, your boss and the market will take care well of you.

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>>3194743
>Kids traditionally have been a profit.

>>3194770
>Capitalism is reactionary
Awww how cute

>>3194782
And your argument is?

>>3194770
woah, look at that class cuck getting "blown the fuck out" xD

>>3194788
poopie

>>3194393
>Before you even mention America, let's remember that there wasn't a welfare system during the original influx of immigrants.
So a waiver on welfare benefits for a certain period of time by new entries won't solve the problem, why exactly?

>>3194393
>Cultural and ethnic homogeneity are the best way to run a country
Switzerland
USA

>>3194788
Capitalism isn't reactionary it is a liberal ideal? Have you been on /his/ for only like 5 minutes?

>>3194800
Have you seen the news of our country recently?

>>3194806
Liberals get the wall too

>>3194393
>They live in their own little enclaves and when they come out, they cause havoc because they can't handle a white woman not covering her head. I'm sick of hearing about rape. I'm sick of hearing about attacks. And I am sick and tired of hearing people say it is OUR fault for not bowing to these people who are being given the opportunity to come to OUR land.
calm down bud that sounds like something ripped straight out of stormfront
OUR LAND
OUR PEOPLE
OUR GUNS
OUR RACE
FUCKING KIIIIIIKES
>>3194824
he does it again
he makes a post
a post which is based
a post which is epic
he has done it

>>3194812
The fuck are you on about? The news is always sensationalist, everything is doomsday, everything is going to kill you, meanwhile the biggest thing going on in my town is an end of summer carnival.

>>3194825
>see I am retarded LMAO

>>3194836
yeah

>>3194324
>your governments start promoting family values and encourage reproduction
lol for all the shit commies get most people just want their governments to be authoritarian

>>3194393
>Promote the nuclear family and child rearing at home.

the opposite is happening

>>3194444
>U.K. and France have programs that make it easier for people from former colonies to move there.
Can't speak about all cases but as an Indian it's far easier to immigrate to the US than the UK. They did import a ton of Pakistanis a few decades ago though.

>>3194757
>*Necessity and moral imperative for the good of those around you in shaping the next generation. Which is still true.

People should also buy things made in their own country, yet people don't if there are cheaper options.

Perhaps people blame the Jews because its too uncomfortable to blame themselves for their own behavior.

>>3194393
>Promote the nuclear family and child rearing at home.

How?

>>3194800
The US is more like a confederation of countries than a country. Most cities have a predominant demographic. The big cities are usually fucking shit.

>>3194891
I get the impression that most Indians move to America by getting jobs with big multinational companies.

South American here, but I have a lot of engineers and stuff like that on my family that get free flights to the US, and Europe and Asia because companies come around here looking for employees.

>>3194930
>yet people don't if there are cheaper options.
Why would they if they felt they had no in group loyalty due to neo-liberal indoctrination in schools? Why bother caring about what is similar to you by kin or country when your entire life you have been brought up to be nothing more than a consumer?

>>3194965

Go away, tankie.

>>3194930
What if you dislike the company that manufactures stuff in your country?

Also, the internet has made the world a lot more unified, I feel a lot more sympathy for some Americans than I do with a lot of countrymen because I interact with you everyday. Does that mean that I shouldn't buy products from american companies that are offshoring their production to my country?

>>3194806
It was liberal for feudalistic Europe

>>3194992
>Liberalism
>Replacing feudalism
GeorgeCostanzaholdingabat.jpg

Missing a few steps there

>>3194991
>Also, the internet has made the world a lot more unified
*Has given people the illusion of unity but has in fact distanced people far greater than ever before due to the Golden Age of Information leading to what has been described as a "post truth society"

>>3194991
>What if you dislike the company that manufactures stuff in your country?
Maybe you should think of the people employed by that company and not just the company in itself?

>>3195007
I think a lot of us have learned by force not to trust any one single medium of information. TV is just as bad as the internet when it comes to yellow journalism.
It doesn't change the fact that it has made globalism something more than a meme for the first time ever. And this new global culture is bound to grow more as new generations replace the old ones.

>>3195015
I have very specific cases in mind, like companies owned by politician families that are absolute shit. Or very annoying businessmen who charge retarded high prices on everyday needs simply because they can.
There comes a point where even if you want to, you simply can't afford to. And not everywhere do we have a "smart consumer" culture where people will look for alternatives or simply stop consuming when a business is pissing them off.

>>3195015
But people don't make purchasing decisions based on the impact to the employees of the company they are buying from.

This leads to systemic problems with basing your faith in a non-backed fiat currency number. We're basically trading numbers at this point. What you're giving to countries overseas is an invitation into a system which they will not ever benefit from because they are at the bottom of this pyramid scheme.

You see, the monetary unit is rigged to reach an apex and travel exponentially downward in value while the richest classes get exponentially greater returns. It seems like geometric chaos if you ask me.

The only rescue would be some steps away from the traditional system. You've got a lot of inflation which needs to happen when you inject monetary units into the supply, regardless of where the injection point is.

You NEED a free market of currencies designed around philosophies and ideals.

>>3195001
American detected.

Liberal as in classical liberalism dumbass. Capitalism is a classical liberal idea, of which eventually neoliberalism and neoconservativism come from. All three idea are 'liberal' compared to feudalism

>>3195051
>You NEED a free market of currencies designed around philosophies and ideals
And this wouldn't have to be a warlike state of mind, as it has in the past. The one beneficial aspect of living in wartorn centuries past, would be the different ideas and technology of competing nations. Aggression was a good spur.

You can have this, without war. You just need to apply it to philosophies. Structurally it would function as competing currencies much like how many of the BTC markets function. And these currencies you would apply groups to, and these groups would include newer members, and old members as a part of the group. They would apply their currency to labor, and watch as their production created value. According to how this works, many would consider it as being paid in share, but it's not that simple, the currency created could never be traded away. Like those limited selling options on shares that John Maynard Keynes always like the idea of, after all, there was a reason he like the idea, and this would devolve into a whole other area of discussion regarding the vast amount of trading of capital that degrades the value of the monetary unit.

Just my two cents. This consolidated currency, and putting all your faith in one philosophy, is not going to end well. And I am definitely NOT a libertarian.

>>3195015

I'm not willing to eat a dick so that cleetus and the factory he works in can continue to be profitable despite making a shitty, non-competitive product.

My first car was a 93 Chrysler LeBaron. Fucking thing broke down all the time, the undercarriage steel wasn't treated properly so it started rusting. All sorts of problems starting from year 2. I junked the car before 100,000 miles.

Right now I'm driving a Camry from 2006 with 140,000 miles on it, and it hasn't broken down once, and the engine is still in good enough shape to give me 30 mpg highway.

If Detroit wants me to buy their cars and "stimulate" their economy, they should make a fucking better car first. No handouts just for "being American".

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Can someone explain to me where the fuck the global economy is going?

Like, are all countries using the dollar as the standard? Or are there still countries using other standards?

And how do we even control inflation? What determines the value of a dollar? And if new people are being born and more resources are being extracted, requiring for more dollars to be printed, but printing more dollars creates inflation, which in turn means rising of prices. Then how do we even stop this cycle?

I shouldn't have dropped out of business school.

>>3195148
the current system is a ponzi scheme where americans have infinite money and can spend 70% of their GDP while engaging in wars with countries that don't want to trade in dollars and get off the hyperinflation ride.

It will crash and burn soon, the debt is infinite and can't be repaid, the chinese will make a yuan backed by gold currency, BRICS will tell western countries to fuck off.

It's a mess and all will crash.

>>3195157
How does this benefit the EU? Why did they allow this?

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>>3195166

here's the big TL:DR
humans have been engaged in a war with the reptilians since millions of years ago.
earth was a human colony, then the reptilians controlled it and used it as a farm, since reptilians the archons (which control the reptilians) feed on human suffering.
since sumerian times, a human elite, engineered by the reptilians to not feel empathy and have reptilian DNA so they can be controlled easily (blue prince blood tale).
Since sumerian times, this elite has controlled the world, passing the control system, which is basically money and power, from parent to their offspring.
The jew race was chosen by this luciferian God (yawhe in the bible, which is nothing more than a reptilian king of earth) to be the chosen race (that's why they have higher IQ and marry between them).
All of history has been basically a play of this elite (european blood royal families) to control the world and install a NWO.
Even comunism was invented by jews to control and take over the world in the name of being free of capitalism.
Currently there's a hidden war between the NWO globalist scum to install fascists control systems (the FED, which means they own america, they own as well the EU, and they tried to pass the TPP and transatlantic so they can finally controlled the world, basically making a trade NWO organization).
The war is between the p2p masons, iluminati, the FED, the european blood lines, the vatican, israel, the saudies.
These are the bad guys.
The good guys are the BRICS, putin, China, Iran, India, the aliance of the 106 developing nations, the chinese triads, the white dragon society, the white oats at washington, the patriots at the intelligence comunity in america, the constitutionalists in several countries, the nationalists.
Currently the bad guys are losing, or lost, the war is over, but they don't want to give up control, so the good guys are making plans to crash the dollar and free humans and earth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw88MWoqenQ

>>3195148

don't listen to the ANCAP>>3195157

The "value" of a currency is derived from what kinds of goods and services (hereafter referred to as shit) you can buy with it, this value varies between countries, trading blocs, and geography.

You can buy shit from Russians inside Russia with Rubles. Outside of Russia, Rubles are much less useful. People can't buy shit themselves with a Ruble, so they don't accept it as payment. If a German merchant takes payment in Rubles, he has to jump through hoops to get value out of his Rubles, so Rubles is not as valuable to him. Each Nation's currency is useful inside the country because the government can says "you have to take the official currency in exchange for shit". Ideally, this means the currency has value inside the country, since merchants can buy shit from everyone else in the country. The "Legal Tender" part on a dollar bill means that debtors in the US have to take dollars as repayment, which give the dollar value as a way to pay your denbts.

Currency derives it's value internationally in a similar way. A currency is more valuable if you can easily exchange it for goods from another country. This means the strength of a currency is reliant on the exports of the issuing country; if you don't need Russian goods, the Ruble has little value to you.

Here's where the dollar distinguishes itself. The US is still has the largest nominal GDP, and exports 1.4 trillion dollars of goods, which means that if you want US goods, you have to get your hands on dollars, which creates demand and value. However, Saudi Arabia, and the rest of OPEC also only takes dollars in payment, so any country that wants OPEC oil will also have to get dollars somehow, usually by selling shit to the US. This is what's known as the "Petrodollar". Since you can buy so much useful shit with the dollar, everyone values dollars and takes it as payment. Now instead of fumbling with a dozen currencies, international trade is simply done with dollars.

>>3195268
>US goods
usa is less than 10% of global manufacturing.
less than 10% of american GDP is manufacturing anything.
70% of american GDP is consumption.

nice economy you got there.

Gaddafi and Sadam got killed for trying to trade in anything else than dollars.

nice "free system" you got there.

>>3195268
Makes sense. Tho I take it the OPEC is more significant than the US in that regard.

I'm kind of confused tho, I looked up what the major exports of the US were, and although they had things that made sense like computers, aircraft, cars and stuff like that, there was also stuff like oil, plastics, raw materials, and other stuff that wouldn't struck me as something you'd typically think of when you think of the US as an economy. I tough the US had sent out most of it's primary facilities to other countries? Or is that a meme?

Also an answer to >>3195284 would be nice.
>usa is less than 10% of global manufacturing.
>less than 10% of american GDP is manufacturing anything.

I wasn't able to find that out for myself, but I was just doing quick Google searches.

>>3195148
>>3195268

cont.

> Like, are all countries using the dollar as the standard? Or are there still countries using other standards?

As stated before, countries usually use their own currency inside their borders and the Dollar/Euro/Yuan to trade internationally due to the utility of those currencies. However, if the government fucks up and has retarded policies, they can destroy the value of their national currency, and cause the people to use foreign currency as a means of exchange. Again, this is usually Dollar/Euro/Yuan.

> How do countries fuck up their money?

Countries destroy their currencies by either printing too much money, or reducing the amount of shit that you can buy with that money. Venezuela did the latter by imposing strict price controls, which made it unprofitable to actually sell things. A kilo of flour might cost 10 bolivars to make, the government mandates that flour can only be sold for 5 bolivars, anyone selling flour is losing money, so they simply decide to not sell flour. This reduces the amount of goods that can be bought with bolivars and reduces its value. Weimar Germany and Zimbabwe printed money to pay their debts; the act of printing money causes oversupply which reduces the value of the currency, which caused them to print more money to pay off debts. Weimar Germany did this on purpose to fuck the French. Zimbabwe is run by imbeciles.

> And if new people are being born and more resources are being extracted, requiring for more dollars to be printed, but printing more dollars creates inflation, which in turn means rising of prices.

Printing money does not cause inflation if the amount printed covers the extent to which the economy has grown. While there is more money, there's also more things to buy with that money, which maintains the value of the currency. Not printing money in an expanding economy and population causes deflation, which can have catastrophic effects. I can elaborate on this further if you want.

>>3195304
https://www.uschamberfoundation.org/blog/post/manufacturing-s-declining-share-gdp-global-phenomenon-and-it-s-something-celebrate/34261

https://www.mapi.net/blog/2014/01/china-has-dominant-share-world-manufacturing

https://mic.com/articles/15097/us-gdp-is-70-percent-personal-consumption-inside-the-numbers#.tv2W5IYrf

>>3195031
>>3195051
>>3195141
>Muh consumer goods
>Fuck the common good
I'm just hearing a lot of excuses from pieces of shit who spit on their neighbors because they don't have good enough toys lmao
>>3195070
Monarchism replaced feudalism you absolute moron , classical liberalism replaced constitutional monarchy

>>3195031
>TV is just as bad as the internet when it comes to yellow journalism.
No, if you actually think that then you need to lurkmoar on the whole internet my friend
>Give neo liberalism a chance
No, sorry I would rather not be denigrated to a life where I exist only as a bland economic unit hell bent on industrial and overall economic expansion

>>3195321
Yeah good enough toys like food on my table.

>>3195331
>I want to import 3rd labor that leads to borderline slave labor across the globe because - uh - I will starve without it
Hahahaha yeah right. Agricultural output is dependent on technological improvements not free access to labor markets. Then again maybe an amerilard like yourself could stand to lose some weight?

>>3195148

> And how do we even control inflation?

By printing money very carefully. As long as the ratio of money and shit buyable with that money remains steady, inflation is under control.

> Then how do we even stop this cycle?

Controlled inflation is good, because it depreciates the currency slowly, which creates incentive to invest and hold value in assets that don't depreciate. Investing puts money in the hands of people who can create the most value with that money, which grows the economy. That's the idea anyways, problems arise when money is invested in ventures that don't create value.

>>3195304

> Also an answer to >>3195284 would be nice.

It's 10% now, but that percentage used to be a lot higher, as in, 50% high after the end of WW2. As the only industrial power left standing, if you wanted stuff, you bought it from the US and paid for it with dollars. The US also guaranteed the value of European currencies under the Bretton Woods system, which gave even more control to the dollar. If everyone accepts dollars as payment, it holds value to everyone as well. The current power of the dollar is very much still a legacy of the 50's and 60's. No country has said "we aren't accepting dollars anymore", so you can still buy shit from anyone with the dollar, and therefore it still has great value.

>>3195328
>Give neo liberalism a chance
Never said that.

>>3195338
I am actually a third worlder in a country that manufactures stuff for the US, but thanks.

>>3195341
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantitative_easing

>>3195309
>Weimar Germany did this on purpose to fuck the French
*Because they had no real option and thought it would be a good idea. Austria , Hungary, Poland, and the newly born Soviet Union faced similar hyper inflationary problems due to their war debts as well.

>>3195348
>Never said that
>It doesn't change the fact that it has made globalism something more than a meme for the first time ever.
Neoliberalism is globalism

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>>3194324
>No, it just means your society will collapse unless your governments start promoting family values and encourage reproduction.

Young men need incomes high enough to afford houses and to support the missus through her child bearing years.

>>3194362
>The free market will find a solution.

Nevermind, your country is doomed.

>>3195321
>political systems replacing economical ones
Whut

>>3195365
>Economical systems replacing moral ones
Whut

>>3195364
>Young men need incomes high enough to afford houses and to support the missus through her child bearing years.
>What are intergenerational housholds
Leave to a burgers to stigmatize living in your family home. The reason people left home before is because the homes most working class parents had couldn't house wives and children so you literally had no other choice. There is a finite amount of realty meanwhile we treat human population growth as something which needs to be expanded ad infinitum.

Take a guess why buying a new house or even renting costs so fucking much

>>3195349

And? I know what QE is. What point are you trying to make?

>>3195352
Germany was absolutely capable of paying its war debt, it just didn't want to. Compared to the other countries who underwent hyperinflation, Germany still had intact infrastructure and a robust economy. The economy of Austria and Hungary collapsed because Trianon and Czechoslovak independence cut off the interdependent Austro-Hungarian industry from their component parts. The Soviet Union was fresh off a devastating civil war, and Poland was newly cobbled together and still getting on it's feet industrially.

Germany ended the war with it's industry similar to what it started the war with, albeit resource starved. Once the blockade ended and international trade started back up, Germany was back to being the largest economy in Europe by 1920.

>>3195397
what happens when the FED prints billions of dollars for several years?

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>>3195309
Ok, so, the value of international currency is just for stuff that a country needs to import. Right?

>Printing money does not cause inflation if the amount printed covers the extent to which the economy has grown

So does that mean that currency is in fact backed by real assets? How is value assigned to things?

And if a good sees decreased production,it increases in price, but how does that affect the flow of currency? Seeing as most countries use the dollar as the one international trade coin, doesn't that mean that the entire world's economy is tied to the US and vice versa?
How does the US bank decide how much money to print? Does the US outright sell money? Or is all exported money tied up to exported goods?

>Not printing money in an expanding economy and population causes deflation, can have catastrophic effects. I can elaborate further if you want

If you have the time, I would be interested.

>>3195341
>As long as the ratio of money and shit buyable with that money remains steady

So what happens when people aren't buying shit?

>Controlled inflation is good, because it depreciates the currency slowly.

Wouldn't that mean that over time currency would become literally worthless even within the boundaries of it's own system functioning as intended? Is this sustainable?

>It's 10% now, but that percentage used to be a lot higher, as in, 50% high after the end of WW2.

That is actually a pretty good and concise explanation, and it makes a whole lot of sense.
I take it the US very much has an interest in maintaining the system as it is, and countries aren't saying "no" because they have large reserves of dollars, so they have an interest in keeping it relevant.

So what happens if a large amount of people just say "screw this" enough people that they can't be forced back into it? How does this affect the US economy? What are the actual benefits for America from the dollar being an international coin?

I think I forgot other questions I had

>>3195397
>Compared to the other countries who underwent hyperinflation, Germany still had intact infrastructure and a robust economy.
Except like every country Germany was totally devasted by depression and the most brutal conflict not even WW2 would match. On top of that the Treaty of Versailles broke Germany apart and have some of it's most important lands to the French and Polish as well as had the highest debt owed to the allies by proporation of it's GDP than any other axis power. It too was in a state of civil war much like Finland and Russia with Marxist uprising from the sparticists where them and the freikorps were constantly warring in the streets before the execution of Rosa Luxembourg ending the German revolution of 1919. The Allies seized their colonies and put hardcore protectionist policies against the Germans after the war. How does any of this indicate that the Germans just up and refused to pay the debts, by what means did they have he option to pay them when like every country in central and eastern Europe they were almost completely destroyed?

>>3195415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY1EcCUu5nw

the system is a scam, and will crash in any form, way or shape.

it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

nobody knows when the system will collapse.

>>3195363
I meant globalism as in a global culture.

>>3195401

And then the fed took all that money back and made it vanish from the economy. That's the other part of QE. When that money was in the economy was a time when velocity and lending was low, so QE money was a correction to keep the effective money supply steady.

And surprise, inflation did not spiral out of control when QE was in effect. The Ron Paul dumbasses were screeching about inflation when deflation during a recession is a much more serious threat, and one that the fed dealt with by lowering interest rates and starting QE to increase the money supply. Once the economy got back on it's feed, the fed raised interest rates and ended QE to prevent inflation.

>>3195441
Global culture is pushed forth via neo-liberal trade policies. The internet is still very divided contrary to popular opinion. The language barrier still exists within the internet as well simply access to the internet. Even with translation people.still segregration themselves to different parts of the internet via language and nationality.

>>3195449
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/10/05/global-debt-hits-all-time-high-of-152-trillion-as-imf-warns-of-w/

yeah, nigger, let's clearly ignore this.

we'll know it will crash sooner or later.
why do you think I put a demographic pyramid in this thread?

>>3195461
Much bigger blocks tho. hardly restricted to national boundaries. Also it's amazing how many people speak English nowadays.
And yes there's a lot of /int/-tier shitposting between people for being of different nationalities, but ultimately people act very similar and share a lot of things, even in different cultural areas. I bet you'd be surprised by the amount of non-american and non-europeans that browse this site, for example.

>>3195480
>Also it's amazing how many people speak English nowadays
About 1/6th of the planet. I'm not talking about /int/ either, if you travel to parts of the internet that are monolingual of a different language than your own, there is still an entire world of information you don't have access to and which the internet can't correct for.

Places like Wikipedia will never be able to bridge the gap between people and neither will translation programs. Even within (mostly) monolingual countries there are barriers between people that can never be gapped. Global culture doesn't exist outside of highly metropolitan and rich areas of cities.

>>3194393
>all the responses to this and not a single arguement against it
Commietards seething.

>>3195495
Well, media is mostly produced in English speaking countries and then translated to most other languages.
Also bilingual people who expend time with foreigners online as well as with countrymen IRL, and other influencers like E-celebs have a role in this too.

For example, I live in a relatively small city in South America and kids here are going nuts over the fidget spinner shit, for example, a craze that started god knows where and spread exclusively trough the internet. And yes, there is a lot of spanish-speaking only places on the internet, and of course they aren't exactly the same as english-speaking ones, but the amount of stuff borrowed from American culture is amazing, even in groups of people that don't speak a lick of English.
The influence of Japan in pop-culture all over the world is also undeniable, that shitposty anime-muslim caption images that are plastered all over this board at 5am are something that you'd think could only be done ironically, but chances are they aren't. And I've seen plenty of actual middle-east people living in their homecountries that are weebs.

>>3195415

> So does that mean that currency is in fact backed by real assets? How is value assigned to things?

the value of a currency is backed by the amount and variety of stuff you can buy with it. The moment you can no longer buy stuff with that money, it's value falls, and might trigger a chain reaction with other merchants also not accepting that currency.

> doesn't that mean that the entire world's economy is tied to the US and vice versa?

yes, which is why the fed is run by competent and smart people to keep the value of the dollar steady. They look at a ton of data before making decisions.

> Does the US outright sell money? Or is all exported money tied up to exported goods?

The Fed creates money, then puts that money into the economy by lending it to the banks, which in turn lends that money out to other people. Fractional reserve banking means the Fed adds multiple dollars to the money supply for every dollar they lend to the banks. The US "sells" money by buying stuff from other countries, and the other countries use their dollars to buy other stuff. In essence, the US buys $100 of stuff by printing $100, other countries buys $100 of stuff by selling $100's worth of their own stuff to the US to get $100 to trade with. This is known as the "exorbitant privilege". Charles DeGaulle protested by gathering every dollar the French government had and demanded that it be redeemed for gold (the dollar was gold backed then).

> So what happens when people aren't buying shit?

You get stagflation. Not buying shit reduces demand, which reduces supply and causes people to be laid off. Not buying shit reduces demand for money to buy shit and reduces the value of currency. The fed will do whatever possible to make you buy shit.

cont.

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>>3194392
>The free market caused it by destroying the middle class
>The middle class didnt exist before free market

>>3194800
America until the 60s was always 90+% white European.

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>>3194128
>don't true capitalism =^)

>>3195526
But what ethnicities...

>>3195517
>Well, media is mostly produced in English speaking countries and then translated to most other languages.
Media rights and ownership are traded via neo-liberal policies to sell said media on international markets
>I know a low of metropolitan folk who indulge on foreign media
Not suprising, you seem like someone who grew up in Avery metropolitan middle to upper middle class household especially if you are from South America. Consumer culture isn't global culture, however, it is the consumption of media on a global basis.

>>3195415

> Wouldn't that mean that over time currency would become literally worthless even within the boundaries of it's own system functioning as intended? Is this sustainable?

People's perception of the worth of money changes over time, so it doesn't matter.

1 yen is worth 1/100 of a dollar, but the yen is still a valuable currency; Japanese just think of 100 yen like we think of 1 dollar. 100 years ago you bought a whole meal for a dollar, now you buy a candy bar. However, you also earn an order of magnitude more dollars.

> So what happens if a large amount of people just say "screw this" enough people that they can't be forced back into it? How does this affect the US economy?

Saddam Hussein happens to them. If the US can't force them back, then it faces a much more serious problem that can collapse the value of the dollar and the present US economic system. That's why the US tries really hard to make the dollar as steady as possible (businesses like stability) and builds coalitions around the world to maintain its influence and value of the dollar.

> What are the actual benefits for America from the dollar being an international coin?

The benefits I addressed before, and in addition control of the international reserve currency gets the US a lot of influence, which it can use to maintain the dollar as the reserve currency. The downside is that the high demand and value of the dollar makes US exports less competitive due to it making US labor more expensive.

>>3195535
>Everyone that starves to death is because no one collectivized resources
>People collectivized resources under Marxist doctrines in the 20th century
>People still starve
#nottruecommunism

>>3195415

> If you have the time, I would be interested.

Ming Dynasty China

The government passes a reform that greatly simplifies the tax code, but requires all taxes to be paid in silver.

During this time, peace and stability causes a population boom, which leads to the economy growing by a lot. However, the amount of silver in the economy to act as currency for taxes doesn't. This would cause deflation, which makes acquiring the amount of silver needed to pay their taxes much harder. For a time, this is counteracted by trade with the Spanish, who has plenty of silver from their American mines. However, the Spanish get into a war in Europe and the flow of silver stops.

This causes a catastrophic shock in the money supply. Farmers have to sell their rice for silver to pay taxes, but the amount of rice needed to buy silver increases by over 100% leading up to 1620. This means farmers don't have the rice to feed themselves and pay taxes, so they just dodge taxes by "donating" their farmland to the tax exempt temples and other institutions. This shrunk the tax base, and reduced revenue available to the government, which then raised taxes on the remaining farmers, which caused those farmers to dodge taxes.

In the end, the Ming government strangled itself to death by wiping out their own tax base with stupid policy and inability to expand the money supply to keep up with the growing population and economy. To be fair, they had no idea how currency theory worked, and their staunch fiscal conservatism prevented them from debasing the currency to increase money supply.

>>3195550
>Media rights and ownership are traded via neo-liberal policies to sell said media on international markets

Can't argue against a fact. However, to imply that there isn't an interest by the common folk to indulge in foreign art would be false. And this happened even in ancient times. The only real way to prevent this is to prohibit foreign arts completely, something that admittedly created a boom of local music a few decades earlier. It is basically impossible to restrict freely distributed internet media tho.

>You seem like someone who grew up in Avery metropolitan middle to upper middle class household especially if you are from South America.

I am considered low to middle class, below the poverty line by my country's standard. My city has grown as of late, but it's far from important or major. Yet almost everyone has access to some form of computer and an internet connection nowadays, and young people definitely wish to. I consider my early access to these mediums in better times to have been the main reason I am a relatively cultured person today. Obviously some of the worst-off individuals might not even be able to afford a really cheap phone, like some natives in the jungle, but even some of them have at least one. Cannot speak for the situation in places like North Africa or Irak, but I don't think it's a stretch to think it's similar.
I might have confirmation bias, but I can't help but see a correlation and a timing that matches the ease of access to the internet and the widespread of smartphones with the increasing internationalization of my localities culture.

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>>3195558
>Poor people starves to death because there no exist free market in their countries.
>The bunch capitalists who own most half of the wealth and in the planet the means of productions don't see any profit in social causes but only in extend their greed.
>People still starve.

#nottruecapitalism

>>3195420

Mixing up your timeline anon.

German hyperinflation was 1921-1924, the depression was in 1929. The heart of German industry was the Ruhr valley and Bavaria, and that land was untouched. Alsace-Lorraine was farmland and raw materials, both of which Germany had access to on the world market. The land lost to the Poles was only lightly industrialized. The Polish industrial heartland was primarily former Russian territory.

As I said before, Germany had regained the title of #1 economy in Europe by 1920, hyperinflation started after German economic recovery when the government printed absurd amounts of money to pay striking workers in the Ruhr for their disobedience to the French/Belgian occupation over non-payment of Versailles. The 1919 German revolution was not close to what other countries, Rosa Luxemburg was killed just 2 months after the armistice.

>>3195602
>However, to imply that there isn't an interest by the common folk to indulge in foreign art would be false.
Not saying that, but I'm not arguing in favor of that kind of impulse gratification as being inherently good or connecting other cultures. On the contract I'd argue it has only watered down cultures everywhere rather than connect anyone. Like I said, it is just the consumption of media on a global scale, not the creation of culture on a global scale. I believe it was de Tocqueville who first examined the phenomenon of modern capitalism spreading cultural decay through consumerism that instead of promoting culture exploited existing cultures and sold those cultures to people robbing everyone of snow identity beyond consumer goods.
>I might have confirmation bias
Only a bit. Access to media is one part of the neo-liberal program, but the internet itself still has layers of restriction and sub divisions which are hard to penetrate which segregates different regions. It is the free trade if goods overall (including media) that has lead to mass consumerism on a global scale.

>>3195553
>People's perception of the worth of money changes over time, so it doesn't matter.

I suppose that's truth. What happens to old bills and coins then? Do they get destroyed?

>The benefits I addressed before, and in addition control of the international reserve currency gets the US a lot of influence, which it can use to maintain the dollar as the reserve currency.

Is US influence the only reason the dollar has remained the international coin for these last few years? What are the benefits for other powerful countries?
I mean, aside from simplifying the process and not having to dilute your economy into buying a million different coins from different people.

Also I was going to ask if, for example, the US buying a ton of shit from a specific country like China doesn't cause inflation that affects the other countries. But I take it they don't just buy everything for "free", and actually pay with money they had printed earlier when it's responsible.
Is that also why the US can even have a national debt when they provide the world's money?

>>3195596
Interesting, so basically they ran out of money. Is that the same dynasty that basically created a sort of proto freemarket, and gave peasants the right to own land?

>>3195635
>Mixing up your timeline anon.
Not even a little. Germany was indefinitely not the best economy in Europe after having all of it's colonial assets seized, having land partitioned from it (Alsauce Loraine actually held massive quantities of extractable non-renewable resources like coal and iron, Danzig which became a free city under the League of Nations was massive port and center of industry whose infrastructure was given to Poland by the LoL to keep it from being land locked, and on top of that the loss of Poland in itself is was a massive hit despite being lightly industrialized) not to mention the high debt demanded of Germany that was highly depressed and in a state of civil /economic conflict from 1918-24 because of hyper inflation, civil war, and a largely de-incentivized population. The Hyper inflationary period made Geany the most unstable economy in the whole world, and that didn't end until 1924. Hyper inflation lead to 2 coup attempts and the German Mark being worth something like 3 trillion dollars per the exchange rate in the early 20's.

Please explain to me how any of this indicates a strong economy or how Germany was even responsible for it? In 1920 Germany had just beaten back a communist uprising of Marxistz who invaded the capital and places industry. How were they named the top economy in Europe, and if they were maybe that goes to show just how much WW1 wrecked Europe as a whole?

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>>3195659
Art finds itself in an odd spot. Economics affect art, but an artist can't do art if he can't eat.
Also more complex forms of art might require extra expending, and it might be impossible for a single person to complete a project, so money is definitely needed in order for art to be made, unfortunately.
And much of it is indeed very centralized around a certain culture, not very multicultural. But the bigger the project the more likely it is to be made by people of many different cultures.
Maybe not all art, but a lot of it is. I find computer games to be very artsy in the context of a global culture. Very appropriate as they can only exist in a world with computers, computers that allow connecting people all over the world, they're usually done by people of different backgrounds, and they are cheap enough to make in the right scope that many of them can be free of the economic grip that most other forms of art are subject to.

>>3195713
>Hyper inflation lead to 2 coup attempts and the German Mark being worth something like 3 trillion dollars per the exchange rate in the early 20's.
*Other way around , the dollar was worth 3 trillion marks

>>3195420
> It too was in a state of civil war much like Finland and Russia with Marxist uprising from the sparticists where them and the freikorps were constantly warring in the streets before the execution of Rosa Luxembourg ending the German revolution of 1919
Calling it "civil war" is wrong. It lasted for less than 2 weeks.

>>3195713

Just look at the numbers anon.

http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/maddison-project/data.htm

gives estimates for the GDP/capita of historical nations.

In 1921, the GDP/capita of France is given as $3,075 1990 international dollars

the GDP/capita of Germany is given as $3,078

France has a population of 39 million in 1921

The German census of 1919, without the versailles territory losses, is 60.8 million. The GDP/capita numbers are similar, but Germany has almost 50% more people.

The other competitor is Great Britain, which has a GDP/capita of $4439, and a population of 43 million, giving an economy roughly equal to Germany's.

Pre-WW1 Germany was so big and powerful that you can take chunks off of it and it still remains the most powerful state in Europe. The only country that surpassed Germany was the United States, which had the per capita productivity of the UK while having more than twice the population.

>>3194393
>I'm sick of hearing about rape. I'm sick of hearing about attacks
that's sensationalism, stop browing /pol/ desu and stop reading partisan news

>>3194128
The collapse of evil old whitey

>>3195850
But the media is actively covering it up

>>3196056
How do you know it it's not /pol/ and their media making it up?

>>3196077
A lot of the early news were reported in most mainstream media, after it started creating backlash they stopped reporting on it. You can still see reports of attacks and rapes in local news and the likes.

A more reasonable explanation as to why mainstream media let it go might be that most people stopped caring tho, and they have to sell.

>>3194393
>It was by no means a giant hugbox for "oppressed" people to come over and cry.
Amen brother, people who live in horrible dictatorships and think they're oppressed are just a bunch of whiners.

>>3195546
This. The idea of "white culture" or a "white race" is a fucking meme. Europe is not a monolith.

>>3194393
1. Capitalists imports these migrants after intentionally destroying their countries for profit because they can make a quick buck off these immigrants since they do jobs no one else will do and they don't cost money to educate if they're already adults. If there were no net gain to the country for doing so, no one would bother bringing them in. I've never seen a valid report that says immigration is a net drain on society because the ones that do come from shit like "MIGRANT WATCH GERMANY" or "BLOOD AND SOIL ANALYSIS". I agree that there have to be controls on immigration and attempts made to assimilate the newcomers, but capitalism does a shit job of it since it just throws the newcomers in a segregated ghetto (how the fuck can they assimilate if they never interact with their hosts by design?) and makes them work.
2. Too bad you don't get that many native-born citizens anymore since young adults these days need to go to college to get nearly any livable job and college costs a hell of a lot of money and most people go into debt to pay for their education and most people don't want to have a kid because that costs way more money. Oops, seems like right-wing free market shit actually destroys families.
3. True working class solidarity can be built once one eliminates divisive race war bullshit propagated by right-wing capitalists to prevent labor unity because every man and woman is a worker and find more in common with the material than they do with abstract spooks like "muh race" or "muh culture". And again, it's the right-wing politicians you elect who are at fault for preventing the migrants from assimilating because they don't give an iota of a fuck about them and just want them to work until they drop dead.

>>3194128
>>3194197
This. If anything it means the rebirth of capitalism.

>>3194324
>>3194393

/thread

socialists on suicide watch

>>3194800
Switzerland was (i.e. before mass migration started in the latter half of the 20th century) more homogenous than Germany or France. Who here knew that? Nobody, once again.

>>3196430

This whole post is so incredibly retarded that I'm actually triggered.

It's 2017 and people are still this uneducated? What the fuck went so wrong?

>>3196430
>True working class solidarity can be built once one eliminates divisive race war bullshit propagated by right-wing capitalists to prevent labor unity because every man and woman is a worker and find more in common with the material than they do with abstract spooks like "muh race" or "muh culture".
Who believes this shit? Like ACTUALLY believes this shit? Nobody. Nobody actually believes this shit. Not even wealthy cosmopolitans.

>>3194393
Good post.

>>3194331
>workers
Americans, ladies and gentlemen

>>3194393
>OUR fault
It is your fault for sucking american dick

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>>3196633
But I am educated. I've read Marx, Engels, Gramsci, Kropotkin, Bookchin, and more. *You're* the one whining at me and coming up with no arguments.

>>3196645
While I was being reductive in that post because the post I was responding to was so retarded and spooked that it made me a little mad (sorry about that), I will elaborate. There is a general trend in history of workers uniting across racial lines and forming solid bonds with workers of other races and cultures. However, anxiety about new immigrants coming in to take jobs can often override this trend, especially if the capitalists running the factory think its a good wedge to weaken a burgeoning or existing union. The CIO, for instance, was extremely well integrated for its time and many leftist movements in America boasted high amounts of minority workers (especially African Americans) involved in the movement. While it is true that, say, an Asian person does not understand the struggles and peculiarities that belong to those of an African person, both can identify with the fact that they are workers within a capitalist system and that can be used to build common understanding.

>>3196430
This
>migrant get job no matter his age or education level
>local is expected to be under 25 with at least a bachellors and a masters in brain surgery + 5 years of experience as diplomat and 5 recommendations, one at least from the Pope, to get a job washing dishes

>>3196679
>leftist trash
>anime trash
>zero knowledge

This degeneracy has to stop.

>>3196690
Pretty much, with the addendum that the migrant is going to be working in some wretched factory that was deregulated to all hell and will probably kill them within a decade or two.

>>3196696
Agreed, capitalism is a moral degeneracy and must be killed by the working class if we are to rise out of this debauched era.

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>>3196706

Castrate yourself, or even better, kill yourself. We wouldn't want your kind to reproduce.

>>3196706
Both are fucked

Capitalism sucks ass

>>3196709
Funny because capitalist countries are the ones where people don't reproduce

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>>3196709
Nah, I'm gonna keep voting for socialists and encouraging others to vote for socialists instead of doing that. I can't wait to see /pol/ after Jeremy Corbyn becomes Prime Minister in a few years.

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>>3196719
>>3196722

I'm sure Britain will prosper under Corbyn, after all his hero Chavez and his friend Maduro made Venezuela Great Again.

>>3196679
>While I was being reductive in that post because the post I was responding to was so retarded and spooked that it made me a little mad (sorry about that), I will elaborate.
Racial and ethnic tensions do not fall out of the sky and cannot be handwaved away by making appeals to how everyone is just a wage earner, the only one who is spooked is you. We don't even have to have to go into how the majority of "new Europeans" do not even work but merely abuse welfare and sell drugs and are some of the most clannish and tribalistic people on earth for now.

>capitalism is explicity globalist, anti tradition, anti homogenity, immoral, etc
>/pol/cucks glorify it
Why?

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>>3196732
>he doesn't understand capitalism

Sad!

>>3196727
I'm not british nor communist.

>>3196736
>amerishits unironically believe this
JEWSA is truly Huxleyan

>>3196739

No you're just a retard who has no idea what capitalism is, yet for some stupid reason hates it.

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>>3196742
>calls other shits
>unironically in 2017 still is a leftist

Life as someone with sub 80 IQ must be so sweet.

>>3196747
>stage 1: denial

>>3196753

Denial of what? Your retarded opinions based on feelings and stupidity? Sure I'll deny them any day of the week.

>>3196750
>sub 80 IQ
Nope, I'm not american, thankfully

>>3196727
Venezuela's current woes are due to putting all of its eggs in the oil basket and not having any thing else to soak a shock from lower petroleum prices. Other countries such as Saudi Arabia also experienced the same shock from the lowering of prices but as Saudi Arabia has other ways to make ends meet, it could absorb the shock better. I'm not sure as to why this tactic which would fail in any capitalist society reflects poorly on socialism?

>>3196750
>Hayek
Low IQ brainlet detected.

>>3196761

Too bad for you, instead you're a soy eating european leftist. Can't fucking wait for Europe to crash so your kind will die out, you fucking filth.

>>3196764

Yeah, clearly it has nothing to do with socialism. Jesus fucking christ you people are retarded.

>>3196766

Incredible rebuttal, what a solid argument.

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>>3196736
>Trump catchphrases
Now you're truly pathetic

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>>3196766
Hey lefty, I bet you believe in the Cockshott bullshit of central planning with god computers, Can you explain me why do you think this could work?

I'm genuinely curious here.
If in the modern era, students who spend 16 years to get a high school and college diploma are often struggling to find work in industrialized societies, how would the importation of unskilled immigrant labor aid in a purported lack of surplus labor? Wouldn't this just exasperate things by taking away unskilled jobs from native workers without actually solving any of the skilled labor shortages or even address the problems that educated people are facing in becoming employed? Wouldn't it make far more sense to limit any level of immigration to skilled labor only to prevent such a thing from happening, while encouraging native birth rates anyway because the individual cost of raising a child is less than the cost to society and the state of integrating what would be initially unskilled labor over the course of several generations?

>>3196772

Good argument.

>>3196775

Indeed, that would be the best for the citizens. You forget that the citizens are not in power nor do they have any say in what goes on in their country.

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The free market worked wonders for USA, specially their demographics

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>>3196732
>Don't you see? capitalism is EVIL

>>3196789

Clearly the free market is just screaming for unemployed barbaric people who leech off of the government.

>>3196791
Why are americans so fucking retarded?

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>''Capitalism is the best system, but it only works when others aren't more competative then me"

This is the problem with you capcucks, everytime you get out competed you make arbitrary restrictions to your version of capitalism. Just like the commies and their "that isn't real communism." I'm sick of listening to capitalists complaining of how hard it is to start a business w/o taking on a ton of risk or how people overseas are willing to work for less or how its impossible to compete with big corps like Walmart. Welcome to Capitalism dipshit. Its literally the most cut-throat Darwinian philosophy there is. If you are going to support it don't whine about it. If you are going to ask for social regulation to "help you out" then stop shitting on socialists because they just had more foresight then you.

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>>3196800
And your argument is?

>>3195517
>sudaca glorificando el neo liberalismo
-50 IQ indio detected

>>3196810
Ancaps and commies are retarded, today there aren't existe a pure capitalism or socialism but a mixture of both in some areas and countries.

>>3196810

Wrong thread you fucking brainlet.

>>3196823
>muh specific branch of capitalism doesn't exists
Pottery

>>>/pol/

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>>3196810
>working for someone in be a cuck now.

t. commie NEET

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Surely smells like shit- I mean, /pol/ here

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>ITT

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>>3196829
Tu quoque my friend

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>>3196821
High level of discourse my friend.

Neoliberalism is literally the only option that isn't going full tankie'round here my fellow (likely) countrymen, and even that is a hard sell for most people used to nanny states. Either way we're part of the end that gets the new factories, not the end that gets them taken away, so it's hard to say it isn't at the very least economically beneficial.

>>3196854
>Chavez
>Zapata
>Good

This pic never fails to trigger me.

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>3196829
>implying this isn't your catchphrase lefty cunt.

>>3196869
>don't true socialism =^)

You can't care about the poor if you aren't a capitalist, capitalism is the only thing that's ever made the poor better off

>>3196849
>>3196835
Not your safespace, leftypol cucks

>>3194324
>Unfruitfulness — understanding the word in all its direct seriousness — marks the brain-man of the megalopolis, as the sign of fulfilled destiny, and it is one of the most impressive facts of historical symbolism that
the change manifests itself not only in the extinction of great art, of great courtesy, of great formal thought, of the great style in all things, but also quite carnally in the childlessness and "race-suicide" of the civilized and rootless strata, a phenomenon not peculiar to ourselves but already observed and deplored — and of course not remedied — in Imperial Rome and Imperial China.

>Children do not happen, not because children have become impossible, but principally because intelligence at the peak of intensity can no longer find any reason for their existence.

>When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard "having children" as a question of pro's and cons, the great turning-point has come. For Nature knows nothing of pro and con. Everywhere, wherever life is actual, reigns an inward organic logic, an "it," a drive, that is utterly independent of waking-being, with its causal linkages, and indeed not even observed by it. The abundant proliferation of primitive peoples is a natural phenomenon, which is not even thought about, still less judged as to its utility or the reverse. When reasons have to be put forward at all in a question of life, life itself has become questionable. At that point begins prudent limitation of the number of births.

>>3197231
didn't mean to reply to anyone
>And at that point, too, in Buddhist India as in Babylon, in Rome as in our own cities, a man's choice of the woman who is to be, not mother of his children as amongst peasants and primitives, but his own "companion for life," becomes a problem of mentalities. The Ibsen marriage appears, the "higher spiritual affinity" in which both parties are "free" — free, that is, as intelligences, free from the plantlike urge of the blood to continue itself, and it becomes possible for a Shaw to say "that unless Woman repudiates her womanliness, her duty to her husband, to her children, to society, to the law, and to everyone but herself, she cannot emancipate herself." The primary woman, the peasant woman, is mother. The whole vocation towards which she has yearned from childhood is included in that one word. But now emerges the Ibsen woman, the comrade, the heroine of a whole megalopolitan literature from Northern drama to Parisian novel. Instead of children, she has soul-conflicts; marriage is a craft-art for the achievement of "mutual understanding." It is all the same whether the case against children is the American lady's who would not miss a season for anything, or the Parisienne's who fears that her lover would leave her, or an Ibsen heroine's who "belongs to herself" — they all belong to themselves and they are all unfruitful.

>The "quiverful," which was still an honourable enough spectacle in the days of Werther, becomes something rather provincial. The father of many children is for the great city a subject for caricature; Ibsen did not fail to note it, and presented it in his Loves Comedy.

>>3195747
>Calling it "civil war" is wrong. It lasted for less than 2 weeks.
Except civil unrest didn't end until 1924, that two week period you are talking about was just the Spartacist Rebellion
>>3195822
>GDP/capita
Trash.

Also like I said already the debt they owed to France and other Allied powers as reparations for the war was the greatest by proporation of all the other axis powers and the League of Nations levied harsh protectionistic policies against Germany as well. GDP/per capits is not a good measure of wealth because it ignores class division which implies poor or middle class Germans couldn't afford to pay what the LoL demanded from them.

I'm not buying this "Germany just didn't want to pay back it's debts so it crashed it's own economy for lulz'

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>>3197231
>>3197245
Nice posts but this thread already went to absolute shit.
It's a miracle it wasn't shit all trought with an OP like that.

>>3196862
>Neoliberalism is literally the only option that isn't going full tankie'round here
Tell that to the middle East and ukraine lmao

>>3194800
USA is a shithole

t. just returned from a holiday

>>3196869
It's actually good, as the opposition against Chavez is literally just that. They don't even try to hide.

>>3197460
And they oposse Chavez because he made memezuela a shithole. Your point?

>>3196077
You do realize crime statistics exist right?
/pol/ exaggerates but the fact of the matter is that more than a fourth of the German population are migrants now, and things like the new year's mass rape attacks are happening. It's not all overblown.

>>3197550
>Spreading lies about migrants
Reported to the police. #refugeeswelcome

>>3197550
The majority of the foreign population living in UE countries are of european origin (romanian, polish, etc) or ex colonies

The middle class is a temporary phenomenon.

>>3197550

Because of Polish people.

>>3196796

I literally can't tell if you are referring to rural whites or blacks or city folks or immigrants or what.

>>3196796
Gee, but according to le /pole/ only whites are unemployed because mexicans steal their jobs :^)

>>3196796
So trailer trash?

>>3197666
Maybe that was the intension.

>>3194331
Might as well destroying it then.

>>3194393
110% this

>>3194393
>the nuclear family
AND opinion discarded.

>>3197245
might as well post the rest of it
>At this level all Civilizations enter upon a stage, which lasts for centuries, of appalling depopulation. The whole pyramid of cultural man vanishes. It crumbles from the summit, first the world-cities, then the provincial forms, and finally the land itself, whose best blood has incontinently poured into the towns, merely to bolster them up awhile. At the last, only the primitive blood remains, alive, but robbed of its strongest and most promising elements. This residue is the Fellah type.
>If anything has demonstrated the fact that Causality has nothing to do with history, it is the familiar decline of the Classical, which accomplished itself long before the irruption of Germanic migrants. The Imperium enjoyed the completest peace; it was rich and highly developed; it was well organized; and it possessed in its emperors from Nerva to Marcus Aurelius a series of rulers such as the Caesarism of no other Civilization can show; And yet the population dwindled, quickly and wholesale. The desperate marriage-and-childrenlaws of Augustus—amongst them the Lex de maritandis, which dismayed Roman society more than the destruction of Varus's legions—the wholesale adoptions, the incessant plantation of soldiers of barbarian origin to fill the depleted country-side, the immense food-charities of Nerva and Trajan for the children of poor parents—nothing availed to check the process. Italy, then North Africa and Gaul, and finally Spain, which under the early Caesars had been one of the most densely populated parts of the Empire, become empty and desolate. The famous saying of Pliny —so often and so significantly quoted to-day in connexion with national economics — "Latifundia prdidere Italiam, jam, vero et provincias" inverts the order of the process; the large estates would never have got to this point if the peasantry had not already been sucked into the towns and, if not openly, at any rate inwardly, surrendered their soil.

>>3198042
> And if we turn to our own civilization, we find that the oJd families of the French noblesse were not, in the great majority of cases, eradicated in the Revolution, but have died out since 1815, and their sterility has spread to the bourgeoisie and, since 1870, to the peasantry which that very Revolution almost re-created. In England, and still more in the United States — particularly in the east, the very states where the stock is best and oldest — the process of "race suicide" denounced by Roosevelt set in long ago on the largest scale.
>Consequently we find everywhere in these Civilizations that the provincial cities at an early stage, and the giant cities in turn at the end of the evolution, stand empty, harbouring in their stone masses a small population of fellaheen who shelter in them as the men of the Stone Age sheltered in caves and piledwellings. Samarra was abandoned by the tenth century; Pataliputra, Asoka's capital, was an immense and completely uninhabited waste of houses when the Chinese traveller Hsinan-tang visited it about a.d. 635, and many of the great Maya cities must have been in that condition even in Cortez's time. In a long series of Classical writers from Polybius onward we read of old, renowned cities in which the streets have become lines of empty, crumbling shells, where the cattle browse in forum and gymnasium, and the amphitheatre is a sown field, dotted with emergent statues and herms. Rome had in the fifth century of our era the population of a village, but its Imperial palaces were still habitable.
>This, then, is the conclusion of the city's history; growing from primitive barter-centre to Culture-city and at last to world-city, it sacrifices first the blood and soul of its creators to the needs of its majestic evolution, and then the last flower of that growth to the spirit of Civilization — and so, doomed, moves on to final self-destruction.