War Crimes

>JESUS FUCKING CHRi-
>USSR

Payback's a bitch

Wait! I'm interested now(and I'm a complete ignorant): why are JP and RU there?

>>3172398
The Nazis killed more poeple than Japan and USSR.

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>God's innocent little lamb
Finland

>Cruelty otherwise not seen in this world
Sweden

>>3172437
>killing more people makes the war crimes worse
Nah

>>3172398
>USSR
>Worse than Nazis

Did you just counted Banderites as Soviets?

>>3172480
>soviets
>not worse than the Nazis
Stop

>>3172465
The Nazis also had some sadists. Dirlewanger is the most famous one.

>>3172486
In what way were the Soviets worse than the Nazis?

>>3172486
I could talk with people who experienced both. Those who hate commies most and Nazis least try to insult Commies by comparing them to Germans.

That being said overwhelming majority doesn't even attempt to compare them.

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>>3172416
>He thinks USSR only fought against Germany

>>3172492
>Holodomor
>The rape of europe
> Everything that happened with the baltics and Yugoslavia

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>We passed a shallow defilade we hadn't noticed previously.
>In it were three Marine dead. They were lying on stretchers where they had died before their comrades had been forced to withdraw sometime earlier
>As we moved past the defilade, my buddy groaned, "Jesus!"
>I took a quick glance into the dpression and recoiled in revulsion and pity at what I saw
>The bodies were badly decomposed and nearly blackened by exposure.
>This was to be expected of the dead in the tropics, but these Marines had been mutilated hideously by the enemy
>One man had been decapitated. His head lay on his chest; his hands had been severed from his wrists and also lay on his chest near his chin
>In disbelief I stared at the face as I realized that the Japanese had cut off the dead Marine's penis and stuffed it into his mouth.
>The corpses next to him had been treated similarly.
>The third had been butchers, chopped up like a carcass torn apart by some predatory animal
>My emotions solidified into rage and a hatred for the Japanese beyond anything I ever had experienced
>From that moment on I never felt the least pity or compassion for them no matter what the circumstance

I'll admit this is really lightweight compared to some other accounts of the Pacific War and compared to some of the things that happened in the Eastern Front. At least in this case the Marines were already dead, others weren't so lucky.

>>3172536
>Holodomor
That´s not a warcrime, you moron.

>The rape of europe
lol

>Everything that happened with the baltics and Yugoslavia
Did they've murdered over 25% of local population?

BLOOD RACK BARBED WIRE
POLITICIANS' FUNERAL PYRE
INNOCENTS RAPED WITH NAPALM FIRE
TWENTY-FIRST CENTURY SCHIZOID MAAAANN!!!!

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>war crimes
>Manageable
"Yeah, you slaughtered a few thousand innocent civilians. Whatever. No one's perfect."

>>3172398
Belgium

>>3172398
>That´s not a warcrime, you moron.
No, but it is much worse than anything the nazis did.

>Did they've murdered over 25% of local population?
>Did they've murdered
No, i dont suppose they've did. Whats your point?

Oh, and if we are strictly talking about warcrimes, im going to add Finland to the list.

>>3172606
Oops, meant for >>3172567

Alternatively,

>"we're just studying them, I swear" tier
Canada
South Africa

>>3172606
>No, but it is much worse than anything the nazis did.
Based on what? Nazis starved simmiliar amount of Soviet citizens during the war.

>No, i dont suppose they've did. Whats your point?
Nazis murdered 1/4 of Belarussian population. Russian warcrimes against Balts or Yugos seem rather small in comparison.

>Oh, and if we are strictly talking about warcrimes,
OP, clearly specified that, you utter brainlet.

>im going to add Finland to the list.
Don't you dare to accuse Suomi of warcrimes!

Just a reminder that the Japanese of the Second World War were not to be considered men at all.
They were savage animals in dire need to be stricken down with .30 Cal by John Moses Browning's holy weaponry.

>>3172430
really nigger? google unit 731, rape of nanking

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>>3172398
>US
>Managable

$0.02 have been deposited into your Paypal account

>>3172640
>Based on what? Nazis starved simmiliar amount of Soviet citizens during the war.
Since when is it Germanys job to feed the ruskies? The only time they actually tried to starve the citizens was in Leningrad and thats like 600k civilians starved. Nowhere close to the 14 million the russians caused in Ukraine.

>Nazis murdered 1/4 of Belarussian population. Russian warcrimes against Balts or Yugos seem rather small in comparison.
Why are you using a fraction instead of the accurate number of casualties? Also source?

>OP, clearly specified that, you utter brainlet.
Yes, but you didnt.

>Don't you dare to accuse Suomi of warcrimes!
No, im accusing Russia of the warcrimes they commited against Finland.

>>3172667
>Since when is it Germanys job to feed the ruskies?
>What is Hunger plan

>14 million the russians caused in Ukraine.
lol, that's like twice the number Ukrianian nationalists claim.

>Why are you using a fraction instead of the accurate number of casualties?
To give you an idea

>Also source?
Vadim Erlikman. Poteri narodonaseleniia v XX veke : spravochnik. Moscow 2004. ISBN 5-93165-107-1

>No, im accusing Russia of the warcrimes they commited against Finland.
War of aggresion? Nazis never did that?

>>3172660
Fuck off Paco

>>3172691
>What is Hunger plan
A thing i didnt know about. Still, only killed max. 4m.

>lol, that's like twice the number Ukrianian nationalists claim.
No, it exactly what they claim
http://www.holodomor.org
The offical estimates say 7-10m.
>To give you an idea
To give you an idea, 1/5 of Estonias population was murdered by the soviets and many waere force drafted to be used as cannon fodder.
>War of aggresion? Nazis never did that?
They did, but when they did they didnt lie about it.

>>3172745
>A thing i didnt know about
And you disscuss war crimes? Then you are a moron.
>A thing i didnt know about. Still, only killed max. 4m.
4,2M, according to Snyder. Nazis wanted 20-30M

>No, it exactly what they claim
only the shills on your webpage
>The offical estimates say 7-10m.
Incorrect. 2.5M (Kubiyovych), 4.8M (Hryshko), 5M (Conquest)

>Snyder wrote: "President Viktor Yushchenko does his country a grave disservice by claiming ten million deaths, thus exaggerating the number of Ukrainians killed by a factor of three; but it is true that the famine in Ukraine of 1932–1933 was a result of purposeful political decisions, and killed about three million people."

>Wheatcroft wrote: "I find it regrettable that Stephen Harper and other leading Western politicians are continuing to use such exaggerated figures for Ukrainian famine mortality" and "There is absolutely no basis for accepting a figure of 10 million Ukrainians dying as a result of the famine of 1932–33."

Your historical knowledge is...abysmal. How old are you? Were you a victim of American education??

>>3172789
Im just going to ignore your insults and leave this here.

http://repository.un.org/bitstream/handle/11176/246001/A_C.3_58_9-EN.pdf

Who do you believe? UN or Snyder?

>>3172660
>link dump in a .png
You're no better than a stormfag

>>3172438
>>Cruelty otherwise not seen in this world
>Sweden

Explain plz

>>3172847
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Joint_Statement_on_Holodomor
It is not from the United Nations...why are you lying? And it's more than ten years old, today we have access to better estimates.

>>3172660
>Paris conference
>in any way bad
Hello leftypol

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>>3172856
Not him, and he probably had something other in mind, but just to give out an examples
Thirty Years' War
Deluge

>>3172398
>ISIS (or Iraq & Iran I guess)
Iran is fighting ISIS, you fucking idiot.

>>3172566
The Battle of Eniwetok happened in 1944, anon.

>>3172398
>Serbia
War crimes done by militants that were not directly supported by the current president, and later sotonised in the US press as new Hitlers to justify selling weapons to both sides and attacking them. Nice try kyke.

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>>3172398

>did literally nothing wrong tier

Confederate States of America
Republic of Texas
Rhodesia
Australia (Emu War only)

>>3173075
Damn, 2bh famalam I just copied and pasted the caption to that picture absent-mindedly

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>>3172589

Remember Vendee

>>3172398
>war
>crime
Does not compute.

>>3172398
>ISIS (or Iraq & Iran I guess)
>or Iran

What did he mean by this?

>>3173161
>confederates did nothing wrong
what is andersonville?

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>>3173193

>implying Wirz's trial wasn't rigged
>implying the South as a whole wasn't on the verge of famine and could barely feed its own army and civilian populace, let alone a bunch of Northern war criminals
>implying Yankee invaders didn't deserve it anyway

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>>3173192
The Iranians are wanton faggots who cry asstears on the internet about how everyone should love them, because they say mean things about the jews

>>3173262
I'm confused, what does that have to do with ISIS?

>>3173208
>implying the subhuman redneck race deserves anything but death
Pickett's Charge best day of my life

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>>3173262
>being this assblasted on an Iranian carpet-trading internet forum

Go to sleep Amerilard.

>>3172856
Look up something called a Swedish drink. It was a torture technique in the 30 years war. They also killed like 25% of central europes population.

>>3173132
The whole list is retarded, let alone >Serbia being above UK. WTF is >manageable War crime in the first place?

>>3172492
Forcing Eastern Europe to live under a Communist system.

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>>3172398
Add Independent state of Croatia to wtf or what is wrong tier. They apparently often disgusted the Germans with their over the top brutality.

>Iran
>Iran or Iraq
>doesn't know difference between the 2
I thought Americans were banned from this board.
Saged

>>3173373
they still claim self defense lol croats aren't human

>>3172566
It's not like americans didn't put decapitated nip heads on their tanks as trophies...

>>3173055
Fucking Swedes, Jesus

>>3173538
when will you stop being butthurt about it, it's water under the bridge

>>3172438
Finland is probably the only country/people who can honestly claim to have dun nuthin

>France and US commited less war crimes than spain

Explain yourself

>>3172398
>Serbia
You only put it there because it's recent and you don't have any perspective. They'd be pretty low on the list if the actual severity was the judge and not just how you feel when you think about it

>>3172437
Objectively false. USSR killed many more, and I don't know about Japan though they certainly killed more than people generally think.

>>3172490
This is pretty much a muh feels argument. You could torture and rape babies for fun but if you only did it twice it doesn't compare to large scale genocide. There's a reason Jeffrey Dalmer or some other wacko isn't compared to countries who committed atrocities in an organized fashion. Individual acts are great for the newspaper but not much else.

>ussr worse than nazi germany
>war against finland is a warcrime

i dont even
naziboos pls stawp

>>3172398
>USA
>managable
Amerishits, ladies and gentlemen

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>>3172437
>The Nazis killed more people than Japan and USSR.
In open conflict maybe, but civilians wise , gulags > Holocaust

>>3172398
>>3173373
Sounds more like Ukrainians, whose brutality was on the level of
>JESUS FUCKING CHRI-
at least since Khmelnytsky Uprising
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmelnytsky_Uprising#Casualties
>Wherever they found the szlachta, royal officials or Jews, they [Cossacks] killed them all, sparing neither women nor children. They pillaged the estates of the Jews and nobles, burned churches and killed their priests, leaving nothing whole. It was a rare individual in those days who had not soaked his hands in blood
>Stories about massacre victims who had been buried alive, cut to pieces, or forced to kill one another spread throughout Europe and beyond.
And the entire Uprising started over one self-proclaimed "hetman" of cossacks that wanted to take revenge over some other guy, and then it escalated, where he even allied with bloody Crimean Tatars.
Amusingly, in later Russo-Polish War (1654-1667), Crimean Tatars were on Polish side against Cossacks allied with Russia. That being said, only a retard would ally with Russians to get independence from Poland because they couldn't get privileges of szlachta... Which they didn't get due to tendency to do uprisings, having little to no respect towards law, and attacking both magnates of Ukraine (which were of Rusin roots) and Tatars as much as trading with both.

Of course, Ukrainians during WW2 and after (Stepan Bandera and UPA - Ukrainian Insurgent Army) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army#Ethnic_cleansing_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Galicia

>>3173620
>Invasion or Finland is the problem and the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles
Tankies plz go
>>>/leftypol/

>>3173742
>Invasion or Finland is the problem and the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles
*Invasion or Finland is the problem and NOT the mass government forced starvation , purges, and exiles

Why do leftists still defend the Soviet Union? It was worse than Hitler times ten

>>3173736
What a bunch of lies, but what else can we expect from a neonazis?

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>>3173747
>Dude the gulags weren't real, Stalin didn't kill or starve any Ukrainians
Not a Nazi you communist freak, but I guess anyone who believes in any kind of private ownership must be a Nazi though right?

>>3173747
Even better
>Dude scorched Earth literally didn't happen
>Even if it did the belarussians had it coming lol capitalist class cuck

>>3173750
Calm down burger, or you gonna shart your pants. The post was full of lies
>The graph is wrong (it overestimates casulties of the Red army by 5M)
>Assumption that ГУЛAГ killed more people is wrong even if we take the most exaggerated estimate for ГУЛAГ mortality.

as is your post, where you assume all people disgusted by revisionism are commies.

>>3172398
Dutch deserve to be fucked up. They pretty much slaughtered some Indonesian islands

>>3173763
>I say the casualties were less and anything else is revisionism
Brainlet detected

>>3173763
Most estimates put it at 10 to 13 million ya dip

>>3173789
Are you trying to communicate? Or is it just damage report of your rectum?

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>>3173820

Um Germany should be at rock bottom. Also ISIS Iran?? ISIS has done a lot less than all the countries on that list lol.

>>3173736
No.

>Gulags
Mostly just exaggerations. Gulags were NOT death camps, and the highest mortality rate in Gulags was during WW2. Before the war it was mostly 1-2%. And let's not forget that most Gulag inmates (before the war) were criminals, not political prisoners.

And Gulag system lasted much longer than the holocaust. First camps were already opened in 1918 and the system was fully established in 1920.

>United "Firebomb civilians" States

>>3173736
In the short amount of time the Nazis were in power, they put the USSR to shame. The USSR literally had to exist for another half century to compete.

>>3173603
>Objectively false. USSR killed many more, and I don't know about Japan though they certainly killed more than people generally think.
It's not false. Between 1939 and 1945 USSR did not kill many more.

>>3173818
>Rosefielde: 8.7M
>Davies: 8.7M
>Cambridge History of Russia: 8.7M
>Willmont: 8.7M
>Clodfelter: 8.7M
>Overy: 8.7M
>Timashev: 7M
>Biraben: 8M
>Keegan: 7M
>Rummel:7M
>Heynes: 7M
>Russian Ministry of Defense: 8.7M

13.6M number comes from some Jew who specialises on history of the Olympic games

>>3173839
>>>/leftypol/
Take your revisionism elsewhere pl0z. Just as bad as the storm fags
>They were just internment camps bro!
>The zyklon b was just for lice.
>Muh liberal lies
>>3173845
The mass starvation of Ukrainians under a government program,you purges, betrayals of the Polish, Scorch and Burn policies, and exiling killed about as much as the Holocaust

>>3173862
Hey look I can cherry pick numbers too!

11,400,000
>Christian Hartmen
>Ian Dear
>Vadim Erlikmen

Hmm... You really need to spend some time off of leftypol

>>3173877
You said "most estimates", so beat me in number of the estimates, instead of tactically retreating into the land of insults.

>>3173865
>Scorch and Burn policies
This is propaganda.

>as the Holocaust
Holocaust is not the only crime commited by the Nazis.

>revisionism
It's mainstream history. Gulags were not death camps. Not a single historian calls them that. You can call them concentration or labor camps with high mortality rate (which is true only for some of them).

>>3173888
Not an Argument you filthy communist

>>3173888
>Engage in argumentum ad populum with me
No :^)

I'm not about to waste my time naming every historian who doesn't low ball the estimates.
9-13 million military (Russians bicker a lot about POW deaths)
20-25 million overall

>>3173890
>This is propaganda.
No it's a fact
>>>/leftypol/
^^^^^^^ this is where you belong
>The gulags were just a concentration camp with a high mortality rate, not a "death camp"
Topkek, do you read what you write before you post it?

>>3173902
>No it's a fact
Prove it. Most deaths were caused by German actions, not by scorched earth policy.

>Topkek, do you read what you write before you post it?
Yes, what's wrong with what I posted? It's true. Buchenwald or Dachau also had high mortality rate but they were also concentration camps.

>>3173890
>Holocaust is not the only crime commited by the Nazis
Every crime against civilians committed by the Germans in WW 2 is lumped under the Holocaust. Of course it being the holocaust estimates range from nothing to 11 million

>>3173897
>I'm not about to waste my time naming every historian who doesn't low ball the estimates.
It won't take you much time, there are not many of them.

>argumentum ad populum
My argument is that academic consensus aligns with the estimate of Russian ministry of defense and I support this by naming actual historians, instead of just wanting others to take my word for it.

However, let's not get stuck in this mud and focus on the original point, which was that victims of Nazi aggression came mostly from military. Can we agree that it is a lie?

>>3173923
>Prove it
The German actions you spoke of we're not giving civilians their excess food once the Soviet stole their stores of food and burned whatever they couldn't take.
>Whats wrong with what I wrote
People were expected to be abused and quasi removed from society permenantly , with the intent to kill prisoners (who were capitalist spies anyways of course) doesn't matter if they weren't executed, it's a death camp you moron.

>>3173927
>Ignoring that the Russian Central Defense Ministry Archive disagrees with the Russian Ministry of Defence over deaths of POW's
It's almost like Papa Stalin tried to keep the fact that people deserted or were captured instead of dying for the cause a secret...

>>3173924
It's not. 11 million is only the amount of people deliberately killed by the Nazis. It does not include people who starved to death because of Nazi's policy. Overall the number would be closer to 20 million.

>>3173948
>People starved in eastern Europe because of the Nazis and not the Soviet Union which collectively stole all stores of grain from civilians and burned anything they could so the Nazis couldn't take it
>It's the Nazis fault for not giving humanitarian aid to the Russians so they could be conquered by the Russians
So this is the true power of commie apologetic autism... No the Holocaust estimates of starvation and direct violence are all under the Holocaust whose max estimates are at 12 million.

>>3173936
You don't know how Gulag worked. Most Gulag prisoners did not die.

>permenantly
Usually for 1-2 years.

>once the Soviet stole their stores of food and burned whatever they couldn't take
Except there is no proof of this. Have you heard about the hunger plan? There are some documents explicitly stating that it's possible to feed the population of Ukraine and Belarus but it would hinder the German Army.

>>3173959
You are repeating myths. Even Wikipedia says:

>When Germany attacked the Soviet Union in June 1941, many district governments took the initiative to begin a 'partial' scorched-earth policy to deny the invaders electrical, telecommunications, rail, and industrial resources. Parts of the telegraph network were destroyed, some rail and road bridges were blown, most electrical generators were sabotaged through the removal of key components, and many mineshafts were collapsed.

But:

>The process was repeated later in the war by the German forces of Army Group North and Erich von Manstein's Army Group Don, which stole crops, destroyed farms, and razed settlements of at least city size and smaller during several military operations. The rationale was that it would slow pursuing Soviet forces by forcing them to save their own civilians

>>3173962
>Hunger Plan
You mean the German plan of counter scorched Earth policies where they seized what food they could as well? It's almost like mass starvation in eastern Europe was due total war being waged on either side
>They had the means to provide aid to civilians of Russia instead of give it to the military
Literally why would they, the entire point of the war was to conquer the Soviet Union and stop jewish Communism from spreading into Europe
>There is no proof
Lmao , so is this like the leftists version of stormfags denying the hunger plan?

>>3173946
You've just pulled that out of your arse, did you?

The numbers from archive must be taken with a grain of salt, see
https://interaffairs.ru/jauthor/material/1256

>>3173972
>Even Wikipedia
M8 if you're going to do argumentum ad verecundium at least make sure the authority you appeal to isn't fucking Wikipedia lol

Also by
>Process was repeated
They imply that the Soviets engaged in this behavior as well, they just assume on a smaller scale. I mean why doubt that when the Soviets did this
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Before any war was even declared on them?

>>3173990
No, this is once again a common accusation to hear. Again, like I said in the beginning of this conversation, the Russian still bicker about the numbers which is why people say 9-13 million depending on who you ask. Number is all the same, the Germans nearly wiped the military out completely in the blitzkrieg and even with the gains after this push was finished they never really recovered from that push.

>>3173985
So post your sources. Because again, there is no proof of scorched earth policy in Soviet Union.

>>3173996
You posted no source whatsoever. So yes, even Wikipedia is a better source.

>>3173996
>holodomor
Completely different thing.

>>3174008
You posted a source that contradicted you already

>>3174011
Not really , if anything it makes Manstein's justifications of trying to keep the Soviets from stealing grain from their own people seem somewhat justified if he learned from the Ukrainians what the Russian had done to them

>>3174017
Again, you should read some documents regarding the hunger plan. You will not find a mention about scorched earth policy there.

>>3174012
>'partial' scorched earth policy
>no mention of crops or farms being destroyed

>There are still no valid statistics about the number of victims of National Socialism, and especially for Poland, Yugoslavia and the occupied Soviet territories many more precise data are still missing. According to the current status of knowledge one can assume that 5.6 to 5.7 million people lost their lives on account of their Jewish origin, besides at least 100,000 Sinti and Roma. About 3 million inhabitants of the Soviet Union who became prisoners of war died, most because they were denied the necessary food, but at least 150,000 of them were shot. Especially high was the number of victims among the population of Eastern Europe that perished in camps, in "bandit-fighting operations" and in other murders. Respectively far over a million civilians died in Poland and in the occupied Soviet territories in mass murders, several hundred thousand in Yugoslavia, in each case without counting Jewish victims. Largely unknown is the number of victims of selective hunger policy in the east, presumably far over a million civilians had to pay it with their lives. Even though establishing a total number still requires further laborious calculations, the order of magnitude of people murdered under German rule should be 12 to 14 million. Most of them died between mid-1941 and mid-1945, i.e. in the course of less than four years.

12-14 million are obviously not all victims. For example siege of Leningrad was not counted in these estimates.

>>3174067
>The same situation applied in the case of food, especially grains. An interdepartmental proposal of the Economic Staff dated 3 October 1941 on the supplies needed for Russian cities even went so far as to suggest that the remaining larger cities not yet in German hands should be cut off and encircled, and that their capitulation should not be accepted.

>This, of course, was militarily quite out of the question, but it shows the desperation with which the German authorities of the conquered areas viewed the effects of the Soviet strategy of leaving it up to the occupying armies to feed millions of starving Soviet citizens! The report continued:

>It has been our experience that the Russians remove or destroy systematically all of the food supplies before retreating. The urban population of the conquered cities thus will either have to be fed by the Wehrmacht or it will have to starve. Obviously, by forcing us to provide additional food to the Russian population, the Russian leadership intends to worsen the already difficult food situation of the German Reich through a reduction of the domestic German food supply. As a matter of fact, the present food situation permits us to feed the Russian urban population from our own stocks only if we reduce the supplies to the Army or if we lower the rations at home. /24

No one but you and your leftist pals actually deny the seizures of food by the Soviet Union as part of their scorched Earth policy. Not even your source from Wikipedia denies this, I mean first of all the actual paragraph you cited has no sources (which wikipedia itself has marked as [citation needed]) second of all the Soviet Union didn't just seize crops and stores of food (as it had historically done before) it also seized farm equipment as well.

>>3173839
>Gulag inmates were criminals, not political prisoners.
wew lad.

>>3174152
Not the guy, but from German documents we know that the Hunger plan had a clear intention of "reducing surplus population" on top of just looting food for Wermacht.

After all, the natives were meant to be removed shortly after the war, why wouldn't Nazis take advantage of the situation to reduce local population?

>>3172589
>pic
all true, by the way

>>3174186
They were meant to be reduced to serfdom, not removed.

>>3173569
>exterminate the Natives
>breed with their women
At least amerifats didn't add insult to injury

>>3174278
Half of them killed, the rest enslaved according to GP ost.

>>3172619
Canada allegedly commits the most war crimes per capita of any NATO member, but the guy who always tells me that never had a source

>>3173620
>invade a neutral, unaligned country that just wants to be left alone to recover from a civil war USSR funded and agitated with a forged casus belli
>HURRRRFFFFF USSR A GUD BOI THEY DINDU NUFFIN

>>3174344
>another moron without basic knowledge on the topic

War of aggression is not a war crime, it's a Crime against peace.

>>3174392
War crimes are an arbitrary made up classification. Their prosecution has been totally inconsistent too. What we're really talking about is countries just doing bad things in wartime or related to war

>>3174152
Interesting how this document is cited only by IHR. There is not a single reputable historian citing this document.

What do you think about this?

>The excess regions are located in the black earth region (i.e. in the south
and southeast) and in the Caucasus. The food
importing regions are mainly located in the northern forest zone (podsol
soil). This means that sealing off the black earth regions must under any
circumstances make more or less high excesses available to us in these areas.
The consequence is the non-supply of the entire forest zone including the
industrial centers and Petersburg.

There is no German interest in maintaining the productive capacity of these
regions, also in what concerns the supplies of the troops stationed there. […]
The population of these regions, especially the population of the cities, will
have to anticipate a famine of the greatest dimensions. The issue will be to redirect
the population to the Siberian areas. As railway transportation is out of the
question, this problem will also be an extremely difficult one.

It can be attempted to
cultivate these areas more extensively in the sense of an extension of the area
for cultivating potatoes and other high yield fruits important for consuming.
This will not stop the famine, however. Many tens of millions of people will
become superfluous in this area and will die or have to emigrate to Siberia. Attempts to save the population from starvation
death by using excesses from the black earth zone can only be made at the
expense of the supply of Europe. They hinder Germany’s capacity to hold out in the war, they
hinder the blockade resistance of Germany
and Europe. This must be absolutely clear

>>3174407
>The minimal goal must be
to completely free Germany
from the feeding of its own Wehrmacht in the 3rd year of the war in
order to give German food economy the possibility of on the one hand keeping
the rations so far issued and on the other to create certain reserves for the
future

And there is this.

Note on a meeting about economic policies and organization of the economy in
the newly occupied territories with Hermann Göring on 8.11.1941

In regard to food matters he [Göring] remarked that the troops must
significantly reduce their consuming of conserves. To the Wehrmacht he addressed
the reproach that in the area around Minsk
there are still huge herds of cattle running around in the woods which cannot
be collected due to the partisans. The deployment of troops was absolutely
necessary.

The fate of the major cities, especially Leningrad,
was completely indifferent to him. This war would see the greatest dying since the Thirty Years War.

If the grain could not be shipped off it should be used for raising pigs. From
1943 onward he required a maximum exploitation of the Ukraine. The
food supply of the whole of Europe must then
be guaranteed. […]

So there was food, and it was possible to feed the population. The Nazis however decided that it would be better to feed pigs (for the Wehrmacht) and let the Slavs starve to death.

>>3174398
>arbitrary made up classification
As are all crimes and the very concept of crime itself.

>Their prosecution has been totally inconsistent too.
Expectable, it's a relatively new concept without a proper authority to enforce it.

>What we're really talking about is countries just doing bad things in wartime or related to war
OP clearly said "warcrimes".

>>3174427
https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/92170/GS16and17.pdf

This is a pretty good article about Nazi policy in the East.

>>3174160
Most of them were criminals, yes.

A. N. Dugin, Nieizwiestnyj GUŁAG. Dokumienty i fakty

1936 - 1296494 (all prisoners), 105849 (political prisoners/"counter-revolutionaries") (12,6% of all prisoners)

But:

1940 - 1659992 (all) - 444432 ("counter-revolutionries") (33,1%)

>>3173890
>This is propaganda
EVIDENCE PLEASE~

>Holocaust is not the only crime committed by the Nazis
And yet with such a head start, the commies were able to catch up and not only surpass the Nazis, but go rocketing past them and the finish line on a barely functioning rocket ship

>MUH SEMANTICS
Auschwitz was a labor camp, you fucking idiot. It just happened to also be fitted with gas chambers, so people called it a concentration camp. The gulags didn't have anything so elaborate, they just had the Siberian winter, and really that's all they needed.

>>3174508
>Dugin

>>3174539
>the commies were able to catch up and not only surpass the Nazis, but go rocketing past them and the finish line on a barely functioning rocket ship
Things that never happened.

Auschwitz was a labor AND extermination camp. But Treblinka was an extermination camp.

>The gulags didn't have anything so elaborate
Because they were not extermination camps.
>Siberia
You know that most Gulags were not in Siberia?

>>3172398
usa literally nuked 2 cities full of civies
also what is the vietnam war

>>3174603
Justice

>>3174606
raping and killing asian citizens not involved in the war is justice?
what did you mean by this?

>war crimes
lmao

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>>3172398
ahm

>>3174539
>EVIDENCE PLEASE
There is no evidence that it ever happened on a big scale.

>>3174152
>Die Versorgung der Städte Rußlands im noch unbesetzten Gebiet
This source appears exactly once, in an IHR article written by a known holocaust-denier. You can't blame me for being very sceptical.

>>3172398
>getting out of hand
Belgium

>>3173373
guy on the left looks like moot

>>3174560
>you

>>3172398
>wtf is wrong with you
>Serbia
There is objectively not a single thing wrong about genociding muslims.

>>3172398
>ISIS
>Iraq and Iran

U wot. They're respectively the main victim and their most bitter enemies.

>>3175009
>genociding

>>3175029
Pest control.

>>3175041
There was nothing wrong in bombing B*lgrade then

>>3175041
Dont be ridicilous, why do you feel the need to be so edgy? 1990s Balkan wars teemed with warcrimes, perpetrated by all sides in the conflict, doesn't make them genocides

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>>3172398
>American education

>>3172589
Remember that in 1945, France carpet bombed Madagascar, killing thousands of civilians

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>>3172416

>>3175653
what?
why?

>>3174407
>Only the IHR
No
>That makes the document false
No

Im sorry but to assume that the Soviets didn't seize food is absurd. If you want to keep making ad verecundium then so be it
>The Soviet troops burned crops, destroyed bridges, and evacuated factories in the face of the German advance. Entire steel and munitions...
https://www.britannica.com/topic/scorched-earth-policy
Unless Britannica is a ebil Nazi site as well?

>>3174508
>Most of them were criminals
*Political criminals you leftist college moron

>>3174407
>Interesting how this document is cited only by IHR.
You mean only you have discovered an IHR article therefore you think only IHR cites it/thinks it I'd credible. Lmao the sheer amount of egocentric self assuredness in this one is astounding
>Ling angry post about how the Soviet dindu nuffin and how all the starvation in the East had nothing to do with Soviet crop and tool seizures but was only the Nazis 100%
>The holocaust wasn't 12-14 million it was 20 million!
>>>/leftypol/
This is just getting ridiculous

>>3174988
>Dugin, aka Stalin did nothing wrong lad
Why not just cute the daily stormer while you are at it? How much autism can one leftist possibly display?

>>3175710
The French are bloodthirsty savages and always have been.

>>3175866
*Because the British were invading
Fuck off eternal Anglo

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>>3173549
nips started it, it was a two way lane throughout the whole war

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>>3175704
>tfw the American commander there clearly saw the USSR red stars on the planes but continued engaging anyway
>had flown for more than 4,000 hours
The group commander, who was personally leading the squadron which was completing the assault raid, was an experienced combat pilot who had flown more than 4,000 hours. The American group had been carefully prepared and instructed regarding their mission before the flight from their main bases. However, the commander committed a navigation error, and this, together with an astonishing similarity on the map between the outline of the designated objective and the actual attack, led the squadron commander to believe that he was attacking communications lines in the region indicated to him.

>>3174616
Strategic bombing isn't a warcrime. And the crimes committed by the US in vietnam were extremely minor.

>>3176045
>And the crimes committed by the US in Vietnam were minor
Tell that to the all people dying of cancer from agent orange, all the people still having their legs blown off from ancient landmines, and all the people who died from the Khmer Rouge due to Kissinger's bombing of the Ho Chi Mihn trail going through Cambodia (which was illegal)

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>>3172398
Capitalism is the ultimate war crime

>>3176182
Females cause wars, not political systems.

>>3174392
>I dindu nothing wrong I just wanted to steal your stuff

>>3175704
In April, 1945 Guards Major Kozhedub (La-7) tried to defend an American B – 17 from a pair of German fighters. However, the American fighters of the cover started firing from a large distance and attacked Kozhedub. Kozhedub promptly attacked the nearest machine. There was a smoke and it flew down towards our troops (the pilot of this machine soon jumped out with a parachute and landed safely.

>>3176182
>All poverty is due to capitalism
>Everything wrong in the world ever is due to capitalism
>"""""Easily preventable"""""
I hate leftists so goddamn much. This is worse than that antifa propoganda video that has been circulating that claims the alt right vandalized a jewish cemetery.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/05/us/brooklyn-jewish-cemetery-tombstones-overturned/index.html

>>3176191
>I don't understand basic terminology and yet I need to post

>>3175742
No, it's cited only there. There is also some revisionist book that cites this document and its source is... this IHR article.

>>3175713
Britannica is very vague. I'm not saying the Soviets did not do this, but there was still enough food to feed the population. It's stated right there in Nazi documents.

>>3174332
Our military doesn't see enough action to commit war crimes. I'd believe it since the army is undisciplined and full of rednecks, failures and sociopaths.

>>3174560
I'm sure you are thinking of different Dugin. This books is just a collection of statistics found in NKVD archives.

>>3175723
No.

http://www.cercec.fr/materiaux/doc_membres/Gabor%20RITTERSPORN/Victims%20of%20the%20Gulag.pdf

Page 24, "Political" crimes as Proportion of GULAG Population, 1934-1953

>>3176327
>No
Yes the document is not false just because of argument ad verecundium.
>>3176327
>There was still enough food to feed the population
*If the Nazis were willing to accept the Soviet strategy of them siezing grain so that there own military would suffer as they would have to dip into their already rationed food supplies to feed a starving populace that would probably be reconquered by Soviets now that the Germans had even further stained resources. They begin the blitzkrieg with stretched thin resources after their previous conquest , to give the civilians food would be suicide.

If that doesn't make sense to you then look into the situation more.

>>3176387
Yes. People who were arrested for criminal actions were arrested for criminal actions defined by communists.

The gulags were not as bad as the German internment camps. The Soviets as a whole were worse than the Germans.

They were far more brutally pragmatic than the Germans to be fair to your tankie jerk off fantasies
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_No._227

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>>3173161
>Republic of Texas

This one is actually true. Sam Houston cared deeply about the well-being of his troops, always fought honorably, and showed mercy to his enemies.

Would gladly die for/10 general.

>>3172398
Why is Iran at the same tier as Germany and Isis famalam?

>>3176682
Iran-Iraq War. Granted, quite possibly the most horrible thing they did was to their own

>>3176835
How does the Iran-Iraq war count as an audacity on Iran's part?

>Dresden
>>>/x/

Germanys crimes we're objectively worse than the USSR's

>>3176844
Both sides did terrible things

>>3176861
What did Iran do that was an atrocity against Iraqis?

>>3176857
because he lose the war?

>>3172398
>Iran or Iraq
>Iran
Granted both under the last Pahlavi Shah and the Mullahs, Iran has some issues with human rights but what puts it anywhere near Baathist Iraq or ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc...?

>>3175866
anglo lies, we're a peaceful civilization