The best President we never had

>>3158116
that's not Huey Long

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The last true conservative.

>Probably the most courageous condemnation was by US Senator Robert A. Taft, widely regarded as the "conscience of the Republican party." At considerable risk to his political career, he denounced the Nuremberg enterprise in an October 1946 speech. "The trial of the vanquished by the victors cannot be impartial no matter how it is hedged about with the forms of justice," he said. Taft went on:

>About this whole judgment there is the spirit of vengeance, and vengeance is seldom justice. The hanging of the eleven men convicted will be a blot on the American record which we will long regret. In these trials we have accepted the Russian idea of the purpose of trials -- government policy and not justice -- with little relation to Anglo-Saxon heritage. By clothing policy in the forms of legal procedure, we many discredit the whole idea of justice in Europe for years to come.

>>3158211
>warned about the possibility of 9/11 and the excuses of the neocons to attack Iran

based, but obviously he couldn't win

>>3158185
Yes, we know that the mid-20th century Republican Party was swarming with Nazi sympathizers.

Anyway, the true answer to this "best president we never had" question, just out of candidates who got close to the presidency, would either be Bryan or Humphrey. The latter in particular could have averted or at least softened most of the nasty socio-economic trends of the past few decades.

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>https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/a-world-of-laughter-a-world-of-tears.113866/

>>3158462
>Nazi sympathizers

Oh fuck off you uneducated twat. Taft was even opposed to NATO, he was a non-interventionist through and through. He wasn't a racialist either, he vocally opposed the KKK. He understood the Nuremberg trials offered contradictory ideas of justice and were a farce and was vocal about it. He supported housing for the poor but fought corrupt unions, he was a concientious man and possibly the last unsullied candidate.

>>3158514
>but fought corrupt unions

Always an excuse to crush organized labor in general. There's certainly some corruption in unions but not nearly to the extent of other social institutions. Anyway, the critics of the Nuremberg Trials always seem to avoid discussing the alternative to trying Nazi leaders (note that yes, there were already international laws of conduct for warfare at this time). Let them go free and allow them to hold influence in Germany?

>>3158520
I don't understand how a foreign nation can have the authority to punish another nation or control it's elections without realizing the hypocrisy of condemning another nation for having done so itself. Likewise the US and USSR had no moral high ground having commited similar supposed atrocities of en masse internment or destruction of civilian populations.

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>>3158538
Start shit, get hit.

>>3158547
I don't understand what that quote has to do with this thread, unless you're attempting to derail it.

>>3158547
Thats an incorrect statement, they had antiaircraft guns like anyone else, of course they expected bombing raids.

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>>3158557
>muh allies were just as bad!!!1

I can smell a stormfag better than you think. Try harder.

>>3158572
>Nuke 2 Japanese civilian populations, firebomb a third, bomb other Japanese civilian populations (including 60 Japanese cities prior to Nagasaki) killing millions of noncombatants
>intern the native Japanese civilian population and confiscate all of their property
>intern hundreds of thousands of German and Italians

Not even going to waste time with discussing the USSR since thats shooting fish in a barrel.

>>3158605
>intern the native Japanese civilian population and confiscate all of their property
Layman here. Damn that was a dick move alright. Can it possibly be topped? What did these nazi friends of yours do again?

>>3158625
>The 1923 Hague conference crafted a sixty-two article “Rules of Aerial Warfare,” which prohibited “Aerial bombardment for the purpose of terrorizing the civilian population, of destroying or damaging private property not of a military character, or of injuring non-combatants.” It specifically limited bombardment to military objectives, prohibited “indiscriminate bombardment of the civilian population,” and held violators liable to pay compensation.

Why didn't the US pay reparations? The Japanese bombed bases such as Pearl Harbor, where was the even handed use of justice?

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>>3158648
>break every single international law
>surprised when the Allies do the same to stop you
GTFO stormweenie, stop shitting up unrelated threads with your whining

>>3158696
>stormweenie

Now here is the real question, who would have a vehement hatred of nazis while simultaneously not care about actual war crimes? A leftist would agree that the US used heavy handed imperialist tactics, and I never discussed the USSR, so you're clearly not a leftist.
I haven't even been discussing the nazis but you keep gravitating towards them, what kind of "person" would do that?

>>3158648
It's not like the US pumped a ton of money into rebuilding Germany and Japan or anything

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>>3158717
>who would have a vehement hatred of nazis
Every sane, rational person?
>WAAAH WHY MUST THEY HATE ME
fuck off

>>3158745
>every sane and rational person would hate the nazis

Its not sane to obsess over them and hate them. Most people dislike what they perceived they did, but hate? No anon, you're deeply emotionally invested.

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>>3158185

I love how this derailed in smug anime girls and "not wasting time with you"

Tagged for >>>/bant/1603126 scavenger hunt

>>3158462
Calm your bloodlust schlomo

>>3158769
One side has only posted memes and anime girls, I posted history. Its not my fault some autistic jew got triggered and spammed the thread over some presidential candidate's remark.

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>>3158766
t. triggered stormcuck

>>3158775
Meh both posts were fun to read

I agree that both sides were brutal but come on, you can't possible claim that the genocide based on ethnic grounds to create living space is as bad as anything the US did (which I'm not justifying)

The USSR is a different monster

>>3158810
How is it different? You're claiming motivation and not the action is the crime. You're claiming international law can be ignored if for reasons that benefit you.
>it benefits me, therefore it is acceptable
The mentality of everyone, don't be fooled into thinking one side was more morally acceptable or their crimes less heinous. A bomb is as deliberate as gas.

>>3158843
I get your argument and I've thought about it myself, but I do believe the motive behind it is important

The Americans didn't want to wipe the Japanese out of existance, they commited an atrocity to end the war. It also isn't like the Japanese didn't commit war crimes

There is no "good guy" in a war but to argue that Americans were just as bad as the nazis is silly at best

>>3158116
why are his glasses wonky?

>>3158855
At one point the US had so smashed the Japanese militarily that there was no ability for them to rearm and become a threat- and yet the powers that be determined that Japan would play a role serving the US economically. There is a point when you go beyond victory and into imperialism, and past that point the US was dropping nuclear bombs. Like Cuba and North Korea the US could have forced an embargo and crippled the noncompliant Japanese- they had no allies in the region. Lives on both sides wouldn't have been lost. But the US "government" wanted "complete victory", partly to preempt the Cold War, partly to use the Japanese economically.

>>3158868
I don't know how effective the embargo would be but since Japan did what it did mainly due to lack of resources you are probably right
The war did end with unconditional Japanese surrender so you are correct on that

Ok fuck it you are right but the Holocaust still rustles my jimmies more

>>3158780
>calling others cucks for a not being an anti white cuck like you
Leftists wre so deluded

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>>3158116
>The best President we never had
The best president we never had was Theodore Roosevelt running under the Bull Moose ticket.

>>3158868
>US has a trade deficit with Japan

Yeah, they're really our servants.

>>3158913
That came later anon, intially Japan was America's sweatshop.

>>3158868
>they had no allies in the region
They sure had enemies though. Which would have been worse for Japan? The nukes, or Russia?

>>3158868
>There is a point when you go beyond victory and into imperialism
And? To the victor go the spoils, my friend. If we're going full whataboutism, Japanese aims were just as imperialistic, their savagery just as appalling, and their populace just as brainwashed. They played with fire and got burned. For all the peons and ethnic Japanese elsewhere in the world, this gamble was of course quite unfortunate - and that itself is certainly lamentable and horrific - but their own government sold their peace and safety for more territory. Same goes for the Nazis. You START a war? You start doing actual ethnic cleansing? You start conquering? You open yourself up to being summarily shot in the street or Mussolini'd when you lose. They're lucky to have even been given a farce of a trial.

>>3159210
>but their own government sold their peace and safety for more territory
On that note, I should add that it's precisely this which gives all the more incentive to punish a nation's leaders - they are exactly the ones who put everyone in jeopardy by engaging in war.

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>>3158116
Should've gotten his second term where he could do something instead of cleaning up Nixon's piles of shit.

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*Shares your Wealth*

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How has no one posted this man yet?
https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Adlai_Stevenson

>>3158462
>Yes, we know that the mid-20th century Republican Party was swarming with Nazi sympathizers.

There were a good number of "sympathizers" in both parties at the time who wanted nothing to do with the war ultimately. They all happily shrugged off that policy when Pearl Harbor happened.

>Anyway, the true answer to this "best president we never had" question, just out of candidates who got close to the presidency, would either be Bryan or Humphrey. The latter in particular could have averted or at least softened most of the nasty socio-economic trends of the past few decades.

This is true. However, I'd include Roosevelt in 1912 and Dewey in 1948.

>>3158496
>https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/a-world-of-laughter-a-world-of-tears.113866/

Not clicking. That site is filled with pozzed transfaggots and libshits.

>>3158462
>Yes, we know that the mid-20th century Republican Party was swarming with Nazi sympathizers.

he was right about these farcical trials where soviet scumbags were judges

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He wouldn't let negro criminals mingle with whites.

>>3158169
>never had

Obama really was president.

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>>3158116
>tfw we once had conservatives who called out evangelicals on their stubborn bullshit.

I hate what this country has become. He might have won if he wasn't so dead-set on nuking commies.

>>3160761
Dismantling the New Deal and opposing the Civil Rights Act weren't overwhelmingly popular either.

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>>3160917
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>>3158185
>being stupid enough to think the Nuremberg trials were meant to be a judicial dispensary of justice
Nuremberg was meant entirely to determine punishment, NOT guilt.

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>>3159573
My dudes.

>>3158538
Because some nations are stronger than others. It's advantageous to bargain and demand of others from a position of superiority (higher power). Russia chalenged the status quo, and it's reasonable that the USA would persecute collaborators within not due to some misguided "moral principles" but because it is bad for the USA.

I don't support bad stuff happening far away, but I feel more strongly about stuff that happens here and near. It's only natural.

>>3158648
Why would you want your military response be "even". Better that they be rendered unable to retaliate further.

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>>3160938
I like where this thread is going

>>3159562
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>>3158180
S H A R E O U R W E A L T H

>>3158116
Thats not Ron Paul.

>>3158180
I'm no socialist myself, but there's no denying he would have completely changed the course of US history had he not been killed.

>>3158855
>The Americans didn't want to wipe the Japanese out of existance
The Americans didn't give a flying fuck about the Japanese, if they did they wouldn't have been firebombing population centers with little/no industrial capability.

>>3158116
Thats not RFK

>>3159573
He was a very intelligent man but being an intellectual barely covers 10% of the skills and mindset you need to be a president. Ike was infinitely better than Stevenson ever could have been.

>>3158913
>Implying debt means fucking anything in the modern era

>>3159562
KINGFISH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riOxEDVfkt8

>>3158167
The last American patriot.

>>3158185
Why do Anglos constantly suck their own dicks and assume moral high ground? Seriously I was with him until that blathering about justice and honor being sacred Anglo values, as if WW2 and the previous 200 years worth of wars Britain waged weren't a proof of the exact opposite.

>>3162810
He might as well be.

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>>3158116

>>3158696
>break every single international law
Not true
Considering the us didn't go after Donitz for doing unrestricted submarine warfare because the US said they did it themselves in other places you're whole "allies are clean" narrative falls apart. I understand that you have a hard on for the loss of human life and you have some psychological issues but you can vent that here sweety, it's ok mommies here.

>>3163247
>what is English Common Law

>>3164971
How does common law deliver justice better than Roman lew?

>>3158843
>A bomb is as deliberate as gas

Did you guys catch it. :) He admitted it

>>3159221
seconded on both points

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ummm try again sweetie
*sips tea*