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9th-century African Slave Revolt against Iraqi Arabs

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Redpill me on the Zanj Rebellion. Did the Arabs deserve it?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion
>The Zanj Rebellion was a major uprising against the Abbasid Caliphate, which took place from 869 until 883. Begun near the city of Basra in present-day southern Iraq and led by one 'Ali ibn Muhammad, the insurrection is traditionally believed to have involved some enslaved Bantu-speaking people (Zanj) who had originally been captured from the coast of East Africa and transported to the Middle East.[3] It grew to involve many slaves and free men from several regions of the Caliphate, and claimed tens of thousands of lives before it was finally defeated.
>Several Muslim historians, such as al-Tabari and al-Mas'udi, consider the Zanj revolt to be one of the "most vicious and brutal uprisings" of the many disturbances that plagued the Abbasid central government.[4] Modern scholars have characterized the conflict as being "one of the bloodiest and most destructive rebellions which the history of Western Asia records,"[5] while at the same time praising its coverage as being among the "most fully and extensively described campaign[s] in the whole of early Islamic historical writing."
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>>3157431
a better question would be when do the Arabs NOT deserve it?
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>>3157462
Good point.
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>>3157462
Europeans deserve becoming minorities in their own countries. They haven't been punished yet for their imperialism.
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>>3159076
"Muh imperialism"
Remember kids when Europeans have empires and expand their territories is a bad thing, when everyone else does it is just the normal order of things
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>>3159327
Not him but of course conquest and empires are as hold as history itself. But Europeans were the first to do it on an absurdly large scale. Literally most of the world has been affected and it's the reason for much of the strife in the world today. Any basic student of modern history knows this.
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>>3159379
This could be a fair argument if only the Asian races had not proven behond doubt that even after being under a massive colonial system you can be a great and productive nation if you have the will to fight and work for it
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>>3157462
Later stages of Reconquista.
Western domination in the 19th century.
Jewish immigration into Palestine.
Disastrous western attempts to "democratize" the region.
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>>3159409
Unironically this, even if it comes from a roach shitposter. Zanj rebellion is just the islamic 9th century version of a nig chimp the ones seen in the USA recently.
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>>3159482
>Later stages of Reconquista

The kingdom of Granada was constantly raiding castilian people, even in times when it was an ally/vassal of Castille. Bullshit they did not deserve it. The rest of your points are valid.
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>>3159076
Fuck off Achmed. You've done much worse.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Jahiz

>Everybody agrees that there is no people on earth in whom generosity is as universally well developed as the Zanj. These people have a natural talent for dancing to the rhythm of the tambourine, without needing to learn it. There are no better singers anywhere in the world, no people more polished and eloquent, and no people less given to insulting language. No other nation can surpass them in bodily strength and physical toughness. One of them will lift huge blocks and carry heavy loads that would be beyond the strength of most Bedouins or members of other races. They are courageous, energetic, and generous, which are the virtues of nobility, and also good-tempered and with little propensity to evil. They are always cheerful, smiling, and devoid of malice, which is a sign of noble character.

Just like Western liberals and progressives in the contemporary world, some 9th century Arab writers worshipped black people as superior to themselves. I wonder if the result will be the same and we will get a black rebellion where all the urbanite cosmopolitans will get slaughtered.
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>>3161614
Al-Jahiz's grandmother was black

Who wouldn't stand up for their people?
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>>3161614
>9th century Arab writers worshipped black people as superior to themselves

Uhhhh......

>"The Zanj are so uncivilized that they have no notion of a natural death. If a man dies a natural death, they think he was poisoned. Every death is suspicious with them, if a man has not been killed by a weapon." - Abu Rayhan al-Biruni, India, 1030 AD

>"Their [Zanj] nature is that of wild animals. They are extremely black." "Among themselves [the Sudan] there are people who steal each other's children and sell them to the merchants when the latter arrive." - Hudud al-`Alam, 982 AD

>"[Blacks] are ugly and misshapen, because they live in a hot country." - Ibn Qutaybah (828-889)

>"Galen says that merriment dominates the black man because of his defective brain, whence also the weakness of his intelligence." - Al-Masudi, Muruj al-dhahab (896-956)

>"A man of discernment said: The people of Iraq ... do not come out with something between blonde, buff and blanched coloring, such as the infants dropped from the wombs of the women of the Slavs and others of similar light complexion; nor are they overdone in the womb until they are burned, so that the child comes out something between black, murky, malodorous, stinking, and crinkly-haired, with uneven limbs, deficient minds, and depraved passions, such as the Zanj, the Somali, and other blacks who resemble them. The Iraqis are neither half-baked dough nor burned crust but between the two." -Ibn al-Faqih al-Hamadani, Mukhtasar Kitab al-Buldan, 903 AD

>"Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated." - Ibn Khaldun, Muqaddimah, 14th century
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>>3161614
>9th century Arab writers worshipped black people as superior to themselves

Nice try Jamal
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>>3161628
>The negroes possess some admirable qualities. They are seldom unjust, and have a greater abhorrence of injustice than any other people. There is complete security in their country. Neither traveler nor inhabitant in it has anything to fear from robbers or men of violence.

-Ibn Battuta
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>>3161645
>>3161628
>>3161623
>>3161614
so the truth is they had a preponderance of viewpoints like every other fucking time period in history where ppl have had to deal with foreign ppl in their borders

WHAT A SHOCKER CALL MANSON ITS GOAN BE HELTER SKELTER
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>>3159379
So it's only bad when the Europeans do it?
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>>3161645
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>>3159379
The firsr large empire was the Persians. The second largest empire in the world were the Mongols. The Arabs conquered Christiam heartlands. Stop talking shit you moron.
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>>3161636
>Of the neighbors of the Bujja, Maqdisi had heard that "there is no marriage among them; the child does not know his father"

This shit can't be real
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>>3162009
Why would you expect blacks to behave any differently than they're very likely programmed to? They tilt more toward r strategy than the rest of us.
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>>3157462
Crusades.
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>>3157773
sauce? artist? context?
doesn't come up when you search zanj rebellion and reverse image search is useless
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>>3161636
kek, I always laugh at that kind of screencaps. Why do they always choose the most handsome man when they talk about something racist?

They even do it when talking about east africans.
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