Ukraine Nazis

>>3155164
nationalism

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Ukrainians are deeply in denial of the fact that they're basically the same as Russians, so much that they identify more with the G*rmans who were planning to colonize and exterminate them. They've also convinced themselves that the Holodomor was a genocide, which it wasn't (it was a semi-artificial famine that resulted from Soviet agricultural policy but Ukrainians were by no means the only ones affected).

This isnt a history thread.

>>3155196
Thank you for your insight.
Now let's hear a non-antiukrainian point of view for once.

>>3155164
Ukrainian Neo-Nazis aren't technically Neo-Nazis, in that they don't actually support Hitler or the Nazis, they just take huge ideas from them, primarily the idea that Ukrainians are the master race that has been oppressed throughout history (in Hitler's idea by the Jews, but in the Ukrainian case, by Poles and Russians).

The current group are the ideological heirs to the OPA-OUN (someone correct me if I got the letters wrong), which was a partisan group of Ukrainian Nationalists most famous for killing 75-100,000 Poles in Galicia (where Lviv is). Keep in mind that it is illegal to insult said organization in Ukraine now, which is pretty disturbing.

>>3155164
Regional divide. West Ukraine actually fought with the Nazis during the war (for the most part) because they were that belligerently anti-Russian (that the Germans were going to annihilate them later didn't factor in). East Ukraine did not. Almost all of the modern Neo-Nazis in Ukraine exist in the West.

>>3155241
>someone correct me if I got the letters wrong
It was UPA (Ukrainian insurgent army), OUN was Organization of Ukrainian nationalists.

>>3155212
There is nothing anti-ukrainian in what he said.
Ukraine has nothing. Absofuckinglutely nothing to show for being the second largest and sixth most populous nation in Europe.
De facto breadbasket and also an industrial heartland of the USSR, Ukraine was the most well-off post-collapse Soviet Republic, shock therapy almost didn't touch its economy compared to Russia, it was debt-free, ever since its independence, it was forgiven hundreds of billions in commodities and token goodwill purchases made by cursed Moskals, yet as Russia was recovering from the 90's, Ukraine was sliding more and more down the drain, propped all the way, but still failing.
Now the country called Ukraine is literal rotten corpse hung from strings and shaken to appear alive by anglos, who use it to fuck with Russians.
Ukraine is nothing. It has nothing. No history. No wealth. No identity. It might as well not exist. But the name is still official, so nationalists cling to it, as it's the only thing they really have at this point.

>>3155287
Thanks, Anon. I never get that right.

>>3155288

Russians and Russophiles here are cringey

>>3155307
I don't even like Putin, I just hate Ukraine more.

>>3155307
do you realize what a pathetic sight is to look at people whose national identity can be summed up with "irrational hatred for their neighbor"?

>>3155324
How can you hate their whole country? It's just wrong. Not all Ukrainians are the same. It's also wrong to say they have no identity or history. Ukrainian identity crystalized in 19th century but even before they knew they are different from Russians and Poles.

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>>3155164
Ah yes.. Ukrainian (((Nazis)))
much consistent yes

>>3155358
>they knew they are different from Russians
They were literally one people and one state since Kievan Rus'

>>3155347

I wouldn't particularly care if Ukraine was more Russian than Smolensk.
It's good for the Ukrainians themselves to stay separate and nothing else should matter.

>>3155307
He's not even lying, anon. By far, Ukraine is doing the worst of any post-Soviet state. Georgia, which has like a third of its land controlled by rebel groups has a better economy than Ukraine.

>>3155361
Get out with this /pol/ garbage.

>>3155365
I doubt you can talk about national identity in medieval times. But for example Khmelnytsky did not consider himself a Russian.

>>3155164
Because many Ukrainians were nazis during WW2.
>SS division Galizien was Ukrainian
>the massacres in Belarus were mostly committed by Ukrainian auxiliary troops in German service
>some of the harshest concentration camp guards were Ukrainians

>>3155389
>Get out with this /pol/ garbage.
I can confirm the people he listed on the left are all indeed Jews.

From what I understand its a reaction to the USSR, kinda similar to how Poland has a bunch of nationalist paramilitaries.

>>3155164
its what happens when your national identity is almost non existent
most of their country would be in better hands while being part of Poland or Russia

>>3155422
Yes Yulia Volodimirivna is a Jew. If you want to spread lies, please do so in /pol/.

>>3155422
It's irrelevant, and who are you to confirm this? Modern Jews have nothing to do with Khazars, so half of this picture is already full of shit.

>>3155464
Her grandfather was a jew called Abram Kapitelmann.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Yulia_Tymoshenko
>after graduating from Dnipropetrovsk State University in 1940 Kapitelman was sent to work in Western Ukraine, where he worked "one academic quarter" as the director of a public Jewish school in the city Sniatyn

>>3155456

So the people should have no choice?

>>3155480
The Khazars were judaists, whether modern jews descend from them or not is irrelevant.

>>3155164
'Nazi' is not about one country 'chosen by gods'. Its retarded version of fashism (not sure how you write it in english), thats pretty much is broken version of nationalism. [spoiler]that could work hundred years ago, but not in globalisation era[/spoiler]

>>3155164
Nazis fought the Russians and the "Ukranians", being as fake a nation as the Palestinians, have to latch onto anything to go "SEE, SEE WE'RE DIFFERENT" because they're not Russians at all you see even though they are.

>>3155520
wait, ctrl+S doesnt work on /his/? What the fuck?

>>3155164
Why Hitler got to power?

If everything around you is shit and you are not well educated, then you may take the easy way of populism.

> heart attack
Who died?

>>3155496
Judaism is matrilineal. Besides at best that means he's 25%, which is doubtful because it's unlikely that his grandfather was 100% Jewish. It's funny that retards are trying to apply the one drop rule to Jews.

>>3155547
>Judaism is matrilineal
That's how jewish fairy tale magic works, biology is another matter.

>>3155510
>them sharing a religion is the only evidence I have
Autism

>>3155556
>it's inconcievable why Jews would be butthurt about Russians destroying a Jewish state

>>3155288
Russians are responsible for the murder of millions of Ukrainians. Ukrainians were discriminated against in nearly every level of Soviet education and bureaucracy. Chernobyl is probably one of the most glaring examples of the incompetence of Russian rule in the Ukraine.

>B-but they grew most of the food we stole
>We even let them be slaves in our shitty factories

Fuck off Putin shill

>>3155554
You apparently only read the first part of his post. There's a biological argument right after that you retard.

>>3155175
this

>>3155559
>Jewish state
[citation needed]

>>3155563
Ukraine literally has a smaller economy now than it did in 1991. The only other post-Soviet state that can claim that is Moldova. Even Georgia is doing better. Ukraine can't just keep blaming all of its problems on Russian dominance, because over a dozen other countries have already overcome that burden.

>>3155582
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars#Judaism

>>3155563
>Ukrainian leads the USSR after Stalin
>fucking gives Crimea, a majority-Russian territory, to Ukrine

WAAAH DISCRIMINATION

>>3155592
Not that guy or even an Ukrainian, but neither Khruschev nor Brezhnev were Ukrainians, both were ethnic Russians just born in the Ukraine.

>>3155597
Same fucking thing

>>3155599
At least be consistent in your arguments.

Why did the US decide to disrupt the whole Ukraine thing anyway?

I heard of McCain's son getting some big contract for gas or whatnot.

What else could it possibly be.

>>3155628
It has fuck all do with natural resources, it's all about naval bases in the Black Sea and power projection.

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>>3155563
I wish to be oppressed by Russia like Ukraine was

>>3155628
Nothing. People were tired of corrupt politicians and Russian shills. Stop blaming USA on everything.

>>3155663
>Russians steal land from Kievan Rus
>Russians steal land from Polish Ukraine
>Russians deny Ukrainians Ukrainian land in the east, genocide lokal Ukrainians+Tatars
>Soviets finally give Ukraine some Ukrainian land, still keeping all the Ukrainian land across the Don for themselves
>Systematically kill 7 million Ukrainians with starvation
>But we gave you the land we stole back!!! We're not oppressive at all!!
>Invade Ukraine to steal the land they "gave"

Is there any creature as stupid and hate-filled as the Russian?

>>3155559
Yes, it's a very dumb theory. This symbol was used by rulers of the Kievan Rus' since at least 11th century. It has nothing to do with Ukraine being some Jewish invention. Only a complete idiot (like typical /pol/tard) can believe in such nonsense.

>>3155796
>Russians steal land from Kievan Rus
Russia is Kievan Rus you simple minded degenerate

>>3155361
Ivan btfo

Probably horrified by what they see in eu.

>>3155817
Rus =/= Russia. Modern Russia descends from the Principality of Moscow which were shitty despotic Mongoloids who only rose to prominence because they were the preferred tax collectors for the Golden Horde.

>>3155496
1/4 is rounded down and on top of that he was from father's side and her father abandoned her family

I repeat it again, If you want to spread lies do it elsewhere. We have a great board for the likes of you.

>>3155844
>Low quality bait and shitty knowledge of history
like clockwork

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>>3155844
>tfw Novgorod wasn't the impetus for Russia
What could have been different guys?

>>3155873
Nothing, because it would've never happened

>>3155885
t. Ivan the Fag

>>3155563
All education in the Ukrainian SSR was in Ukrainian even if half of Ukraine didn't speak it as a mother language. Russian language literature was impossible to buy in Ukraine too during the soviet days. Lenin forced the people of the donbass to be ukrainians

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>>3155817
>>3155872
>>3155873
>>3155885
>At first Uzbeg did not want to empower Moscow. In 1327, the Baskaki Shevkal, cousin of Uzbeg, arrived in Tver from the Horde, with a large retinue. They took up residence at Aleksander's palace. Rumors spread that Shevkal wanted to occupy the throne for himself and introduce Islam to the city. When, on 15 August 1327, the Mongols tried to take a horse from a deacon named Dyudko, he cried for help and a mob of furious people fell on the Tatars and killed them all. Shevkal and his remaining guards were burnt alive. Thus Uzbeg Khan began backing Moscow as the leading Russian state. Ivan I Kalita was granted the title of grand prince and given the right to collect taxes from other Russian potentates. The Khan also sent Ivan at the head of an army of 50,000 soldiers to punish Tver

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde

Kiev Rus was actually a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural state that had nothing to do with Muscovy and later Russia. Their elites were Viking, East Germanic(Gothic remnants) and West Slavic(kiev Polans) - Both genetics, archeology and chronicles confirm it. The main population was East Slavic.

>>3155164
The main nazi presence was in galicia, and these people are distinct from rest of Ukraine but their retarded ideology and values got forced upon all other nationalities living there.

Everyone hates galicians. Poles, Russians, Rusyns, Hungarians, Belarussians, Slovaks, etc. Thats because they've been genocidal scum since their identity was created by austrohungarians and germans as a proxy against Russians.

>>3155792
>People were tired of corrupt politicians and Russian shills.
>proceeds to elect corrupt oligarchs with private armies of thugs

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>>3155901
To this day, Tver has less mongol admixture than rest of Russia.

>>3155907
>Slovaks
We barely even register Galicians existing, so no beef whatsoever with them.

>>3155796
>Russians steal land from Kievan Rus
Kievan Rus was Russian
>Russians steal land from Polish Ukraine
>Russians deny Ukrainians Ukrainian land in the east, genocide lokal Ukrainians+Tatars
There were only Russians and tatars in east Ukraine. It was a frontiere region. It was tatars who massacred and enslaved slavic peoples and Rus protected all Russians(including ukrainians from them)
>Soviets finally give Ukraine some Ukrainian land, still keeping all the Ukrainian land across the Don for themselves
>Across Don
>Ukrainians
>across Don
You're truly historically illiterate you retarded svidomi hohol. Im not wasting my time arguing with braindead morons like you. Have fun making your "country" the laughing stock of the world. That is if you don't emigrate to Russia or Poland

>>3155936
Kiev Rus wasn't Russian.

see >>3155901
>>3155913
You turbovatnik.

>>3155915
People from certain places would get pretty fucking triggered if you mentioned Bandera's boys, but yeah, Ukrainians as whole go pretty under the radar.

>>3155901
>same ruling dinasty
>same religion
>same culture
>same people
>even same territories
>different capital
Somehow by you handicapped logic it's a different country now

>>3155944
Except none of what you posted is true.

>>3155901
>Kiev Rus was actually a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural state that had nothing to do with Muscovy and later Russia.
>The Kingdom of Poland was actually a multi-ethnic, multi-cultural state that had nothing to do with the PLC and later Poland.
I hope you get that Russia is a descendant of Rus whether you like it or not and has continued Russian culture, language and statehood

>>3155948
Prove it faggot

>>3155175
fpbp

>>3155948
Disprove all of this if nothing thats posted is true.

>>3155954
>Russian culture
It has nothing to do with Muscovian culture, you absolute moron.
>language
Hardly.
> and statehood
Russian statehood was established by Mongol hordes.

see >>3155901
>>3155913
You dumb vatniks are worse than Ukrainians when it comes to we-wuzzing.

Kiev Rus culture had nothing to do with Russia or Muscovy, it was more similiar of that of Novogorod, which Muscovy destroyed.

>>3155968
>vatniks are worse than Ukrainians
>ass blast ukranian trying to hide himself
Pathetic

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>>3155968
Muscovy existed as a pricnipilaty before mongols you galician shitbrain. Muscovy had the same language as all of Rus. In vafct the dialect spoken in muscovy was far more similar to the language of kievan Rus(old east slavic) than the galician Russian dialect.

>>3155968
>You dumb vatniks

Why do Antonov's and the Kharkov tank factory's(plus millions of ukrs) engineers want to work for the vatniks instead of the glorious EU Roshen chocolate barony?

>>3155241
Also, there were two OUNs OUN(M) was centered around Andrey Melnik, heir of Evhen Konovalets, who was more moderate and openly pro-german, unlike his competitor and leader of OUN (B) - Stepan Bandera, who was pro-german in denial.

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>>3155936
>Unironically swallowing Russian propaganda
>Calls others historically illiterate
Kuban and the Don were traditionally populated by Ukranians before Russian genocides

I expected people to start another pol leftypol argument in this thread but I guess if the country isn`t first world people don`t care and stop calling each other racist communist cuck neo nazis.

>>3155796
It's called conquest, sweet-hart. That is what people did to build countries and empires we have now.

>Systematically kill 7 million Ukrainians with starvation
Those years were hard all over the northern hemisphere and Ukrainian regions had the most food. I'd say y letting 7 millions die is better than 80 gorrilions.

>>3156066
Little Russia is a region historically populated by Russians until Hohols were memed into existence.

>>3156066
Nobody cares how it was before the "genocide". All it matters is by whom it was populated right before it was given away for good when USSR rip'd

>>3156066
What legitimate nonukrainian sources are there that there was an ukrainian national identity outside of Don?

>Russian genocides
When?
There is no evidence that krasnodar or the Rostov area ever had native ukrainians or ukrainian speakers. AFAIK historical consensus is that the Ukrainian language of today had native speakers no further than Kiev and that it originated around Ruthenia, hence its old name, Ruthenian language.

>>3156066
>Drinking hohol koolaid this hard
I see you're one of the retards claiming that ancient ukraine existed.

>>3156165
Its ironic that the cradle of ukrainian nazism, Volhynia, was unnaffected by the famine and wasn't even in the USSR.

>>3156186
Well, the Hoholi that got Holod'd were replaced by Moskali.

>>3155599
Goalpost shifting

>>3156197
What demographic evidence is there of mass russian migrations in eastern Ukraine in the 30s?

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>>3155164
ukr*inians are the most retarded scum there is

They love to scream "ooga booga kill kike, kill polak" and act like total savages.

Now, a typical stormfag will find this based, but he must remember the fact that the hohol is so dumb he doesn't notice that 80% of politicans whom he helped gain power after Majdan are pure jews funded by American Democratic party.

Also ukrainians act like niggers here. They bring crime and prostitution. Absolute savage degenerates who lost right to call themselves humans long ago

>>3156239
holy shit sorry for racial slurs, thought it was /pol/

>>3156206
The territory of Ukraine was a battlefield during the World War II, and its population, including Russians, significantly decreased. The infrastructure was heavily damaged and it required human and capital resources to be rebuilt. This compounded with depopulation caused by two famines of 1931–1932 and a third in 1947 to leave the territory with a greatly reduced population. A large portion of the wave of new migrants to industrialize, integrate and Sovietize the recently acquired western Ukrainian territories were ethnic Russians who mostly settled around industrial centers and military garrisons.

Tepлюк I.Я.: Pociяни зaхiдних oблacтeй Укpaїни

>>3155288
Don't give it the benefit of being called Ukraine. It's the Ukraine.

>>3155628
Russia basically. Realize that basically anything NATO and the EU (and thus the US) involves itself in in Eastern Europe is done to counter Russia. Remember Trump's speech in Warsaw about "protecting Western values" and shit? Those enemies of western values weren't in reference to radical Islam if you get my meaning.

>>3156171
>>3156175
>>3156178
>Ukranian diaspora not real
>Holodomor? What Holodomor?

Fuck off back to /leftypol/ you faggots

>I suffer on the Ukraine

>>3156393
Leftypol supports Putin?

>>3156418
leftypol are a bunch of tankies who will deny any mention of their precious Soviet Union's mass murder campaigns, especially those done in the Ukraine

Friendly reminder that only modern Ukrainian achievement during modern era was killing thousands unarmed citizens and calling it "self-defense"

>>3156443
Nah, you are just American (or possible a Canadian with Ukrainian ancestry) moron pushing your narrative while not having a clue on the subject.

This conflict is between Ukrops and Russians+Russophiles, tankies (assuming the term means westerners not actual Slavic commies) don't give too much of a fuck about it.

>>3156484
>Tankies don't deny the Holodomor
Really activates my almonds

>>3156492
whatever..no one is interested in your opinion, pederast

>>3156393
>Look at me, Im a retarded bydlo with no arguments except what Poroshenko tells me

>>3156443
Tankie here. We don't deny. We disprove ukrop "history". Meanwhile Stalin should've left Lvov to poles.

>>3156249
>Random Ukrop government propagandist
>source

Give me(non-ukrainian and non-canadian) demographic and lingual statistics comparing proving that there was an ukrainian identity in Rostov and the donbass.

What percentage of eastern european families migrated to ukraine?

>>3156492
How could the soviets have killed ukrainians if the ukrainian identity didn't exist then?

>>3155663
Do you really?. It might almost literally be better to be attacked by the US than helped by Russia. And I say that as an ethnic Russian. Russia's history is mostly just one giant failure to capitalize on its advantages after another.

>>3155480
>yes, vegy iggelevant
Who you want to fool kike by saying that total takeover of power in Ukraine by certain mafia is 'irrelevant'

>>3158174
>It might almost literally be better to be attacked by the US than helped by Russia
Oh, I see how it did work for Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and Mexico

>>3158208
Mexico was 150 years ago, and I just mean the modern US, not the 19th century one.
Vietnam would probably be a prosperous 1st world nation like South Korea today had the US won and then also invaded the North and overthrown the communist government.
Iraq is probably doing better now than it was under Saddam, although unfortunately this came after a period of a lot of death.
Afghanistan is shit, but that's not because of the US, it's because of the Taliban and other hick retards.
Also keep in mind that I said "almost literally". I'm being hyperbolic on purpose to make a point.

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>>3155164
Americans will support any monster and inhumane act as long as it serves their business interest

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>>3155307
The name literally translates to Bordelandia in every slavic language.

>Proud Borderlandians

>>3155898
>during the soviet days
Cute disinfo.
>Lenin
Yes, Lenin. Not Stalin and his successors. Stalin soon realized that supporting local cultures can lead to rise of nationalism among various ethnic groups inhabiting the Soviet Union (which actually happened).

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>>3156178
>There is no evidence that krasnodar or the Rostov area ever had native ukrainians or ukrainian speakers
Uh, sweetie...

>>3158523
And if you're interested in specific governorates and districts, here are the full details: http://demoscope.ru/weekly/ssp/rus_lan_97_uezd_eng.php?reg=0

Note that authorities at the time discouraged individuals from identifying as Ukrainian or Belarusian so the number of Ukrainians is underestimated.

>>3156393
>Holodomor? What Holodomor?
Nobody said there was no golodomor. One of them said there are no proofs there was genocide. You do know what genocide is, right?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644

If people wonder were all the denial of another coutrys existence comes from in this tread

>>3158729
lmaoing @ ur life

>>3158729

+15 rubles for you

National socialism does not necessarily equal aryan master race or the holocaust.

>>3158174
This.

>muh how could Ukraine have nationalists that are anti-russians

Because the Ukraine always got shafted. Holdomor, WW2 where it served as primary Battleground etc.

After the collapse of the SU it faired pretty bad like the Russia shills here say. So its no wonder that the Western Ukraine was in favour of closer ties to the EU. The Baltic States fared pretty well with integrating into the West.

Putin prevented that and supports the seperatists threatening to annex the rump Ukraine.

Really activates the almonds how such a Country could be plagued by anti-russian nationalism.

>>3155498
they just chose poorly
for them the ww2 nazi collaborators is as closest as they can get to national heroes

>>3155586
>Ukraine can't just keep blaming all of its problems on Russian dominance, because over a dozen other countries have already overcome that burden.
its because the russians control the oil to ukraine. ukraine is bound to russia due to that fact and that pisses people off

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40,000 Ukrainians served in the SS, not counting the others who served in other auxillary roles.

>>3155164
The Ukraine was very fertile ground for Nazi propaganda during WW2 that told them to hate poles, jews and russians. Ukrainans serving in SS were very often more brutal and ruthless than Germans.

>>3158960
>Nazi propaganda to hate the Russians and Jews
>not Holodomor
>Nazi propaganda to hate the Poles
>not the already existing dislike between the two nationalities
The Nazis didn't have to do shit, their enemies had already done all the sowing for them.

>>3158960
Ukrainians hated poles and russians before ww2

>>3158940
Ukraine tried to break free too a degree and look what happened.

Its reasonable to assume that Russia is just as guilty as the Ukraine itself for the dire economical situation before the whole war broke out.

Countries in Russias economic and political sphere tend to be plagued by the Problems the Ukraine had.

>>3158984
blame russians in Ukraine, complaining about ukrainian government trying not to be russia's bitch

>>3158972
>>3158966
that's why they were so easy to manipulate, just arm them and watch them kill shitload of people like savages even though they (ukrainians) were subhumans in eyes of nazis

>>3159023
True. Russia had ist fair share in meddling and enforcing its primary though.

Ukraine breaking away could have only worked in the 90s were Russia was really weak imho.

>>3159061
Bush gave a speech in Kiev, written by Condoleezza Rice, in 1991 warning them against "suicidal nationalism". Thatcher said she could not imagine opening a British embassy in Kiev any more than in San Francisco. No one in the west wanted to see the cold war come to a full end since a radically different geopolitical reality might have lead for calls to cut back on military expenditure.

>>3158618
>One of them said there are no proofs there was genocide. You do know what genocide is, right?
An intentional effort to partially or completely destroy a people, such as implementing policies that destroy Ukrainian agriculture, then deliberately confiscating grain from Ukrainian farmers to give to Russian cities, banning Ukrainians specifically from leaving their SSR, imposing of special blockades on Ukrainian villages, exporting enough grain to feed 5 million people out of Ukraine during the famine, and shutting down all news of the event so nobody else could send help.

>>3159151
you forgot how it also managed to also kill shitload of russians and kazakhs
holodomor was result of communist incompetence, if Stalin hated Ukrainians so much he would have done the same thing he did to Germans in prussia/silesia/pommerania

>>3159151
There's no evidence proving that the Soviets intentionally ruined Ukrainian agriculture, just that they were retarded. The Ukrainian government actually has a website that includes minutes of the meetings of the Politburo during the crisis, and it confirms that the Politburo was full of ideologues who couldn't fathom that their policies were what were causing the crisis. Moreover, they sent lots of agricultural aid to the Ukraine.

>preventing people to leave
It makes sense not to let farmers leave the area you need them to farm during a famine, anon.
>exports
The Soviet grain exports were at a lower level than at any of the preceding years.

I'm not saying you can't consider it genocide, but it's not just /leftypol/, there is legitimate historical debate on the matter.

Proofs for aid and lower exports here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_Holodomor#Refusal_to_provide_aid_for_starving

>>3155164
>be made up nation
>build your "national" identity around Hitler, SS Galitzien, UPA and Bandera because as fake nation you doesn't have history older than 150 years
>deep down you know you are made up so you starf to compasate it by force your history hard

>>3159156
>you forgot how it also managed to also kill shitload of russians and kazakhs
Over 70% of the 1932 famine victims were Ukrainians, while less than 20% were Russian, despite the fact that Ukraine produced much more grain per person than the Russians.
>>3159172
>It makes sense not to let farmers leave the area you need them to farm during a famine, anon.
First of all, the famine happened mainly during the winter, after the harvests had been collected.
Second, if they wanted the farmers to farm, why did they execute over 700,000 kulak farmers during that time?
Third, the Soviets deliberately tried to create animosity towards peasants in the urban populations, and advocated for attacking and even killing of peasants by Soviet militias.

>>3158397
Change one letter in word Ukraine and you will get Middlelandia. that proves nothing.

>>3159755
>execute 700,000 Kulak farmers during that time
Source, anon?

>>3159151
So you don't know.

americans should really stop talking about eastern europe when they have no idea about it
i don't love ukraine, i don't like hearing their language in the streets of my town, but pretending that ukraine as a nation different from russia or poland is some kind of fake ww1 invention is just plain ignorance about the subject