Can we get a Holocaust Denial debunking thread?

>>3149463
There's nothing to debunk. Holocaust denial doesn't present a coherent narrative, in some part because not all holocaust deniers have the same idea of what "really" happened.

Instead, they take some event or statement, try to prove it to be impossible, and then say "SEE! YOU CAN'T TRUST THIS! YOU CAN'T TRUST ANY OF IT! JOOOOZ!"

>>3149494
We do have a lot of good counter-macros to the /pol/ macros though (e.g. 6,000,000 appearing in newspapers, that meme uprising, etc.)

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The main line of argument holocaust deniars present is that it would be physically impossible for millions of people to be gassed and cremated in the death camps. WRONG.

6 million is the most common figure stated, but some [actual] historians say 4 million would be more likely. However, this doesn't stop the holocaust from being the tragedy that it was.

Even if the 100,000 death count figure espoused by holocaust deniers was accurate, would this stop it from being a tragedy?

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>>3149571

I have some...

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>>3149650

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>>3149657

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PS: the mods on here are jackasses, I accidentally posted a thread I meant to post on /k/ and asked them to delete it without a ban, they still banned me

Posting from phone

>>3149650
excellent

>in response to the denier argument that neither Churchill nor Eisenhower mentioned the Holocaust

https://books.google.com/books?id=j9RBAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&lpg=PA12&dq=the+wholesale+massacre+by+systematised+processes&source=bl&ots=nY7XEIo4sX&sig=j9jzEVsVOmRLS2frUiqCxJaxn_k&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJwIzqwfPTAhVH62MKHQvSAk8Q6AEIHjAB#v=onepage&q=the%20wholesale%20massacre%20by%20systematised%20processes&f=false
>link to Churchill mentioning it in his book


https://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/research/audiovisual/images/holocaust.html
>includes photos of Eisenhower pictured at camps examining their conditions

>>3149794
>article of a neo-nazi admitting that he's the one who originally said the misattributed Voltaire quote, which is often used as propaganda by Holocaust deniers
http://nationalvanguard.org/2017/01/voltaire-didnt-say-it/

>article published over two decades ago which reports on Leuchter admitting that he's a fraud
http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/20/us/holocaust-skeptic-who-gives-advice-on-death-faces-trial.html

>>3149463
>can we get a /pol/ thread

please, no

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>>3149463

>hurr the soviets created the myth of the holocaust after the war!

http://imgur.com/a/725A7

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Ignoring the Nazi blog in the URL, what's the deal with pic related? The NYT archive seems to gel with it, is it actually a doctored photo?

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/archival/19450506notforget.pdf

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>>3150002

yeah, the guy standing up looks photoshopped in. Still doesnt negate all those people in the backrounds though

>>3150002

The one without the guy in it is the doctored one. They didn't want a guy with his cock almost hanging out, in their paper.

>>3150008
No it doesn't, but if the picture has been doctored, I don't want to defend it.

>>3150016
That sounds plausible, but do you have a source?

>>3149633
That argument was debunked a long time ago. The explanation for it is that the full 6 million people did not die in gas chambers or crematories. It's sort of an all-encompassing casualty count that includes large swathes of deaths caused by starvation, disease, and other things which were more or less indirect deaths.

Just one million alone starved in Stalingrad. Think of how many died while in captivity just from disease.

The conspiracy theorists are probably right when they say it isn't possible to burn/gas that many people. But that doesn't mean they didn't die

>>3150033
>That sounds plausible, but do you have a source?

Take a closer look, part of his shadow still remains here and the rightmost shelf is empty.

>>3150053
Fair enough. I also noticed that the version with him appears to be of a higher quality.

>>3150048

Oy vey how dare you, we were ALL gassed filthy anti semite

>>3149463
t. (((/leftypol/)))

>>3151216
'sup (((/leftypol/)))

>>3149463
if the holocaust is real, why is it illegal to deny it? holocucks BTFO

>>3151256

Because 99% of Holocaust deniers are Nazi sympathizers.

>>3151520
Banning Holocaust denial is retarded, it gives intellectually dishonest people the chance to be like "see? It didn't happen, otherwise they would not ban its research!". It should be allowed so that their faulty arguments are openly exposed and refuted as in these threads. It'd be really cool to have talk shows where Holocaust deniers and believers debate on TV for everybody to see.

>>3150048
this
neo-nazis pretend that 6 million killed = 6 million gassed and cremated because the latter isn't true, so trying to argue it makes you look retarded, even if it's *possible*

>>3149463
If Holocauset is rweal why are there Jews still?

>>3151889
Because America is full of them

>>3151813
It's illegal to deny most of war crimes.

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>>3151975

Fake or not, the world would be better without kikes

>>3149463
>>>/reddit/
>>>/oven/

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>>3151980

>>3149463

>>3151930
>(()AmericA)))

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>>3151982
The world would be better without Stormfags

>this thread
the untermensch know, shutiert it downen!

>>3149650
good one

>>3149463
Oh for Pete's sake why?

Some Jews may or may not have died a hundred years ago who the fuck cares?
Can we stop pretending some dead Jews are the most important event of the past five hundred years and move the fuck on with our lives?

>>3152124
The stormfags brought it on themselves by constantly going into damage control every time it's brought up

wait

>may or may not

Stormfag detected.

Arthur Harris protocol engaged.

>>3152129
>lol stormfag detected
I've literally spent years arguing with Holocaust deniers on 4chan you little shit often till 4 in the fucking morning, to the point I'm sick to the death of the whole thing. I DON'T CARE IF JEWS DIED IT'S IRRELEVANT TO MY FUCKING LIFE BECAUSE I'M NOT A JEW AND IF YOU'RE NOT A JEW THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER IT EITHER.
No matter what happened they are DEAD, and it doesn't matter. Neo-Nazis will not magically vanish from the face of the Earth if you prove them wrong in an argument in the internet , and Israel will not magically vanish in a puff of smoke if their shitty circle-jerk threads go unanswered by busy body good goys.

Get a fucking life!

>>3152152
Tell it like it is, bro!

>>3152152
>unironically getting this mad over people discussing a historical event on a history board

Start looking at treblinka

that's where the most holes are

holocaust revisionism soon follows

ivan the terrible
cat-o-nine tails
3-4 eye witness accounts, all clearly ridiculous is all we have for the murder, burial, digging up and burning on nigger bbq's into dust, to the point that the only archaeological dig to veryify this madness turned up nothing but sharks teeth and a broken piece of tile

>>3153890
What are you talking about?

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>>3152152
Calm down.

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>>3152152

>DUDE I DONT CARE ABOUT THIS AT ALL SO YOU SHOULDNT EITHER, EVEN THOUGH I SPEND EVERY FUCKING DAY ARGUING THIS SHIT!

Its always funny how deniers end up at this point every time they get beaten into submission. You guys are utterly fucking obsessed with jews, then hilariously try to claim you dont care at all

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>>3153890

>>3149463
>Holocaust=6million jews
When Will this ignorance end
the kikes werent the only ones killed why do people ignore millions of slavs ,roma, faggots etc killed?

>>3154431
POL BTFO!!!

>>3154451
Subhumans are worthless.

Holocaust denial (at least from the dummies who post here) usually follows:
>unless exactly 6mil died from gas in camps and then were cremated THE HOLOCAUST WAS A LIE

Whereas many historians think (1) 6mil is a broad estimate, it might be lower, (2) the great majority died not from gas, and (3) a great many died not in the camps at all

You can debate how the Holocaust has been exaggerated and it's sympathy has been used as leverage, but facets like that do not preclude the authenticity of the event itself.

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>>3154482
It reveals itself.

>>3154482
But you're the subhuman, Schlomo.

>>3154491

This is because deniers are completely and utterly clueless in the first place. They dont even know what they are denying and will usually bring up typhus as if its some hidden secret

>>3154431
I made a throw away post stating my opinion then went on a rant when someone accused me of being a stormfag for the opinion contained in that post.

You want to waste your life arguing with the religious cult that is Holocaust denial? You want to lose sleep and show up late for work because you were busy sticking up for some foreign dead people you have zero connection to on 4chan?
Be my guest.
Just realize you're wasting your time and you'll get more out of any of the other theological discussions you can find here on /his/. Go check out one of the bait threads about the nature of the Trinity if banging your head against the wall trying to convince fanatic trolls they're wrong if that's your kick.

>>3154516
Can we agree that perhaps the holocaust has been exaggerated for political and ideological gain, victim status etc?

>>3154668
>>>/pol/

>>3154726
Is that a no? Whats wrong? Are you german? Afraid the gestapo will get you if you agree?

>>3154668
>>3154754
I think it's more of that he wants you to substantiate your claims. Otherwise we can claim any mass murder has been exaggerated for political and ideological gain.

>>3154764
>(((we))) can claim any mass murder has been exaggerated for political and ideological gain.

>>3154804
Not an argument.

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>>3154814
DELET ZIS

>>3154764
Lets be real, the 6 million figure is a jewish meme and not an actual scientific estimate. Then you have the bogus eye witness claims, the lampshades and soaps. Nobody gives a fuck about the armenian genocide but the holocaust has been turned into a business and it bought them Israel.

>>3154819
Truth does not fear investigation, Hans.

>>3154831
>the 6 million figure is a jewish meme and not an actual scientific estimate.
[citation needed]
>Then you have the bogus eye witness claims,
This does not inherently disprove the Holocaust. Bogus eye witness claims aren't inherently exclusive to the Holocaust.
>Nobody gives a fuck about the armenian genocide
Depends what you mean to "give a fuck". France had made it a crime to deny the Armenian genocide, getting up to 1 year in prison.

>>3154831
>American education

>>3154862
>[citation needed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

>This does not inherently disprove the Holocaust.

Im not trying to disprove the holocaust you dipshit.

>>3154831
>and not an actual scientific estimate.
What the hell does this even mean? It's a demographic estimate and one made with very credible tools. How is that different from a 'scientific' estimate, unless you're just buzzwording to try to make the estimates you like sound more authentic and the estimates you don't sound less?

>Then you have the bogus eye witness claims,
And you have pretty damn accurate eyewitness claims too. What is this supposed to demonstrate?

> the lampshades and soaps.
The former being a story of a camp rumor, and the latter actually being true, albeit in small quantities. What the fuck is your point here?

> Nobody gives a fuck about the armenian genocide
Irrelevant and wrong besides. Just go ask Doğu Perinçek.

> but the holocaust has been turned into a business
Unless you count the academics who make careers (and pretty shitty careers if you go by money) publishing about it, not really. Hell, the "muh reparatioms" is based on survivors, not corpses.

>and it bought them Israel.
Prove this. Please use the same standard of evidence you guys want for the substantiation of the holocaust.

>>3154862
>[citation needed]
Considering they pulled the number of non-Jew Holocaust deaths out of a hat, there's no reason the number of Jewish deaths couldn't be equally arbitrary.

To be clear I'm not saying the Holocaust didn't happen, or that a large number of Jews werent killed deliberately and through neglect. I'm just saying the number might also be arbitrary bullshit.

>>3154872
If the video is not what I thought, then please clarify. Because I decided to use the citations it has provided in the description.
I have observed the citations and this has already been debunked time and time again. I'll just copy-paste this:
The word “Holocaust” was in broad secular use before the Nazi killings by various Non-Judeo people to describe various events in history:
The Young Turks and the Truth about the Holocaust at Adna (1913 -- massacre of Armenians in 1909.)
The Holocaust and Other Poems (1914 -- "Holocaust" in this title refers to the San Francisco earthquake and fire.)
The Holocaust in Minnesota (1918 -- great forest fire.)
The Holocaust: Italy's Struggle with the Hapsburg
"It is no longer believed that "the wars of the Roses made a holocaust of the old families"[...]". (American Historical Review, January 1915, p. 397)
Regards to the Russian population according to the American Jewish year book there were ~6 million Jews in Russia, with the Russian
1897 census even showcasing over 5 million Jews in the Empire.
I believe there's some post also addressing this with a picture.
>Im not trying to disprove the holocaust you dipshit.
My mistake, was a misunderstanding.
Anyways this is still not an argument if your only proof is that "6,000,000" and "Holocaust" were mentioned prior.

>>3154874
Im not in the mood to discuss this with you shekelstein.

>Prove this.

You want me to prove that the holocaust bought you Israel? Isnt it common knowledge?

>Poor jews, here, you can have the promised land.

More or less how it went.

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>>3152152
>I DON'T CARE IF JEWS DIED IT'S IRRELEVANT TO MY FUCKING LIFE BECAUSE I'M NOT A JEW AND IF YOU'RE NOT A JEW THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER IT EITHER.

Nothing personnel, kiddo!

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>>3154872
>Six million Jews lived in Eastern Europe, thus the Holocaust is a meme

>>3154900
Then explain the findings of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry as to the demographic decline in the European Jewish population.

>>3154900
I can see where you're coming from, I'm skeptical myself, but I am assuming this is a rough estimate rather than some sort of ultra precise results. + If we use the American Jewish Year book as a citation and this http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/angap03.asp It gives us sort of a rough estimate.

>>3154903
>You want me to prove that the holocaust bought you Israel? Isnt it common knowledge?
Yes, I want you to prove this. Prove that it was for this and not say, the fact that Jews were already emigrating into Palestine beforehand and had set up a quasi-viable state already that got them sovereignty. Prove that the drafters of the Partition Plan were influenced by the Holocaust. It's a pretty well documented governmental operation. Surely it should be easy to find statements of motive.

>Im not in the mood to discuss this with you shekelstein.
You mean, you're not in the mood to get debunked on your shitty stormfag lies?

>>3154901
Not to mention the word Holocaust is literally fucking centuries old, appearing in Greek translations of the Old Testament.

>>3154901
The 6 million number is literally a jewish meme. If im not mistaken i believe its a jewish prophecy of sorts. Is the video banned in Germanistan? It shows various newspaper articles long before the war, claiming that six million jews are dying in Eastern Europe.

>>3154903
>i'm not a dumb stormfag but i will call him "shekelstein"
You can stop pretending now.

>>3154940
>If im not mistaken i believe its a jewish prophecy of sorts
You are mistaken, which is why you get a lot of internet scholars talking about some jewish prophecy, but never seem to cite to an actual prophecy.

>>3154940
Maybe because, I don't know, there were roughly 6 million Jews in Eastern Europe? Do you consider sensationalist articles a good source of information?

>>3154940
>The 6 million number is literally a jewish meme
You can't say that without linking sources, anon
>Claiming that six million jews are dying in Eastern Europe.
? The articles I've read are stating that the Jews in Eastern Europe are "under threat" and "in danger", not dying, can you show some that says they are dying?
Regards to Eastern Europe, this makes sense because the Russian Empire had a very strong Anti-Jewish rhetoric and even sent out pogroms.

>>3154957
Just wanna clarify not all pogroms were sent by the government, some took up arms by themselves.

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>>3154965
If my 4 years of studying German aren't failing me, I'm guessing the 2nd paragraph talks about the daily transports of 5000 Jews from Malkinia to Treblinka? and another 5000 from Przemysl to Belzek?

>>3154944
Ive never spent 5 minutes on stormfront.

>If you critize or question jews you are a nazi

Try again Goldstein

>>3154953
What I'm extremely interested is there somewhere we can check what was considered Eastern Europe back at the time? Or do we just use the modern definition of Eastern Europe? I could look up the censuses of other nations and come to a conclusion, perhaps there were even more than 6 million Jews in Eastern Europe, but I know for a fact majority resided in Russia.

>>3154979
From Warsaw, through Malkinia, to Treblinka.

>>3154953
I consider the 6 million figure to be a meme. JIDF pls go

>>3154985
>If you critize or question jews you are a nazi
Of course not, it's the current year!

You're a neo-Nazi.

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>>3154940
Debunked.

>>3154985
>If you respond to arguments by using a anti-Jewish slur and refusing to engage, you're a neo-nazi
FTFY.

>>3154957
>You can't say that without linking sources, anon

You tell me dude. Ask your rabbi if there is religious scripture that talks about jews being genocided.

Okay I've been thinking about this for a while, why did the Holocaust only get a lot of coverage starting in the 70s?

I met a holocaust survivor a few years ago, and she didn't say people didn't want to talk about it, she said people "didn't want to hear it".

If I survived Beltsin I wouldn't be a loser and go "oh o-ok" when people told me to stop talking about this.

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>>3155011
Not an argument

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>>3155011

>>3155004
This is 4chan and you're whining about slurs. JIDF pls go

>>3155026
Cold War and 1968 in West Germany.

>>3155001
Can you show me pics of these articles?

>>3154979
... one with 5.000 per day from Warsaw via Malinka to Treblinka and two times in the week with 5.000 from Przemyl to Belcec. To Sobibor no transport possible due to railworks atm.

>>3155004
To be fair anti-Semitism is a fun meme nowadays. I'm fairly anti-Semitic but I don't deny the Holocaust, and I'm not one of those edgy "six million more" fags either.

It's a sad event where many innocent grandmas and grandpas died but it's not going to stop me from distrusting Jews and calling them funny names.

>>3155026
>why did the Holocaust only get a lot of coverage starting in the 70s?
Where did you get this idea?

>I met a holocaust survivor a few years ago, and she didn't say people didn't want to talk about it, she said people "didn't want to hear it".
Anecdote at best, made up rumour at worst

>>3155032
No, I'm insisting that you respond to an argument with an argument, instead of just using slurs. But I suppose reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

>>3155043
See >>3149650.

>>3155049
It's true, at least for West Germany.

>>3155053
Im not really interested in this topic and have no desire to discuss it with JIDF agents

>>3155060
I'm still interested in sources.

>>3155059
Thanks

>>3155049
This was 3 or 4 years ago when I met her, she was an infant when her camp was liberated, she was German >>3155060 and also said the Germans knew where they were being sent and knew they'd be killed (which goes against everything else in the course I was doing on the subject but whatever)

All I wanna know is why it took a solid generation before people started talking about their experiences

For the record I don't deny the Holocaust happened, but this part confuses me.

Learn German or die as you are:

https://www.was-konnten-sie-tun.de/uploads/tx_iobio/k_gerstein_bericht_6193_14_01.pdf

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>every Holocaust denier argument

Alternatively

>watch this 2 hours and 30 minutes documentary

>>3155074
Adenauer’s Germany and the Nazi Past: The Politics of Amnesty and Integration

But you can read about it in many books about West Germany. Winkler also wrote about this. Things started to change after Eichmann's trial.

>>3155094
>All I wanna know is why it took a solid generation before people started talking about their experiences

Shit was terrible, it's expectable people wouldn't want to be reminded of the experience.

>>3155117
You forgot
>Everything in opposition to my idiocy is JEWS! LYING JEWS!
>By the way, I'll unironically source to literal nazis claiming that nothing much happened.

>>3155110
Ger(((stein)))
Every time.

Some hours of the trail ...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCD_fEkq4bCuyoJ0pN3n4edw

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>No you, guys. There is no way Millions of jews died on WW2. Look at those charts!
>Yo see, it was a forced summer camp. All the rest is nothing but filthy jewish lies...and typhus.
>The nazis did not hated the jews that much. It's all made up.
>That's why we should never trust jews and kill them all

>>3155124
This is a good example of /pol/'s research. Stein? Berg? Obviously a Jew! Who cares if he was an SS officer, look at his name!

>>3155177
The SS was a multicultural organization, open to niggers, Arabs, and other racial scum.

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>>3155177
That's sort of why I made the post in the first place.
Also aren't most names that end with "berg" or "stein" actually just German in origin? Doesn't "berg" mean "hill" in German? Or is it "Castle"?

You can calm down now JIDF, nobody is denying ITT

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Dont´t say, don´t talk ...

>>3155026
This>>3155042

Nazi war crimes weren't much discussed in post-war West Germany, and for several reasons.

- New post-war Germany was an important Cold War asset and a barriere against Eastern Bloc. It was important to detach it from unpleasant past to gain more fruitfull relations. This is the time when "clean Wehrmacht" myth kicked in.

- People were generally discouraged or simply ashamed to talk about it. They didn't want to have problems in private life, didn't want to be stigmatized. They kinda wished to forget it ever happened.

The new generation that was born during or after the war changed this. They started asking their parents what were they doing during the war. 1968 in Germany was basically one big dealing with the past. You had people ashamed of their past and angry youth ashamed of their parents.

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well ...

>>3149937
nah fuck that, I'm genuinely curious about this kind of thing from a historical perspective

>>3155119
Thanks

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>>3155183
>tfw can't tell if irony or ignorance

>>3155026
A lot of Jews were ashamed. "What did you do during the war?" Also, everyone else was kind of caught up in their own narrative.

Also, it became politically convenient for Israel. Doesn't make it not true, look how Korea and China only started talking About Japan in the 90s

>>3155190
Yep. Ffs the chief Nazi idealogue was named Rosenburg. Amerifats just associate these names with Jews and not Germans, because they got loads of German Jewish immigrants.

>>3155247
... and if you think all the jews, eastern pows, gypsies, disabled, the opposition, commies, gays etc. were gassed you are wrong.

It´s been done by a mixture of shooting, beating, starvation, epidemics, from neglect, experiments, mobile gassing, and gassing in the so called killing factories and the planning was industrial like the chickens you´ll eat at KFC ... the chicken omg!

>>3155190
>>3155177
Most people don't understand how Ashkenazi surnames work. Originally jews had no surnames, they only had patronymics - so Schlomo was simply known as Schlomo ben Abram (Schlomo, son of Abram). Then Germans forced them to adopt surnames and they were created as follows:

"husband of": Goldman (husband of Golda), Perlman (husband of Perl)
"son of": Abramsohn (son of Abram), Mendelsohn (son of Mendel), Isacksohn (son of Isack)
Occupational names: Kaufmann (businessman), Wechsler/Wexler (money changer), Gerber (tanner), Fischer (fisherman), Zucker (sugar - from sugar trading)
Animals: Strauss (ostrich), Löwe (lion), Adler (eagle), Baer (bear)
Priestly Jew names: Levi, Levinson, Levine, Cohen, Cohn, Kagan
Varios combinations: metals and minerals (Gold-, Silver-, Rubin-, Kupfer-), fruit (Apfel-, Aandel-), colors (Schwarz-, Rot-, Blau-,), flowers (Rosen-) + mountain (berg), stone (stein), flower (blum), etc.

In Slavic countries like Poland and Russia, they were forced to adopt Slavic sounding patronymics, so Schlomo ben Abram became Schlomo Abramovitch or Schlomo Abramowski.
Obviously all names ending with -berg or -stein are not jewish, but someone named Goldstein or Silverberg is almost certainly a jew.

>>3155348
nearly any name is possible to have been also jewish roots btw. even the german name Müller / Miller isn´t "save" f.e.

>>3155392
Isn't there some sort of psychological effect with Jewish names and financial services? As in a person will trust a financial institution more if it's Goldberg for example? I recall reading it somewhere, so take it with a grain of salt

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Erich von LEWINSKI ... but who the hell is Manstein?

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and who that is Generalfeldmarschall MILCH btw ... ?

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>Ulrich von Hassell, aristocratic conservative diplomat within the Nazi party, heard about the gas chambers and wrote it in his private diary in May 1943

>look up Hassell in the /pol/ archive
>only 1 result, which goes unnoticed

Holocaust denial really is a fucking joke.

>>3155445
While his name sounds jewish, it doesn't come from the jewish name Levi but from the village of Lewino where his aristocratic family owned estates. He was a Polish nobleman originally.

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>>3155445
he was the dude man!

>>3155478
... and what did the Germans with the polish nobles or educated right after the invasion btw. also the russians after 2 weeks?

He (Manstein) must have been protected by someone

>>3155513
>what did the Germans did with the Polish nobles
Nothing as long as they didn't oppose German interests. Plenty of high ranking nazis were of Slavic origin. Globocnik, Skorzeny, Bach-Zelewski, Hadamovsky, Pawlowski just to name a few. The Luftwaffe aces Nowotny and Gallowitsch were of Czech and Wendish ancestry respectively.

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>>3152016
This.

>>3155555
Your quints won't disguise you, KIDF.

The question was (or is) always: Who is not a Jew? ...

and anyone who wasn´t immediately answering right in that time got serious problems. In the cognition of the people you could also just act like a jew (contradiction), which leads to mostly to a ban (not from the server ... but from work f.e.) or to a penal unit in the Army

>>3155548
well, Germany is and was a melting pot of people from east, west, north and south ... pick a german phone book (also from 1950 if you want) and you will see ... there is no german race - it´s a meme of the Nazis

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Can we all at least agree that Israel is an ethnostate and that that's damn ironic?

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>>3155604
It's not ironic at all.

>Nothing as long as they didn't oppose [FILL IN] interests ...

OK

>>3155094
>why did the Holocaust only get a lot of coverage starting in the 70s?
>All I wanna know is why it took a solid generation before people started talking about their experiences

There were memoirs and newspaper interviews and other publications published within the first few months after the end of the war, and a number of memoir and personal narrative accounts published within the first 10 years after which were published internationally. It definitely didn't take a generation for people started talking. The 1960s and 1970s did see a rise in Holocaust denial, which saw a rise in people sharing their experiences to combat it.

There are people who refused to talk about their experiences early on for various reasons. It was a traumatic experience, something that many people couldn't even comprehend, much less sympathize with. And it's often forgotten that it wasn't just the eeeevil Nazis who were anti-Semitic... it was often the regular people in their home countries and home towns. There were Jewish people who survived the camps only to be killed when they returned home, or shunned, or told that they couldn't have their homes back too bad so sad. So not talking about it would be a way of protecting yourself.

>>3155555
Stop injecting your gay homie shit into this, especially when you deny genocides done by communist

In 70s the four parted US-television series "Die Geschichte der Familie Weiss" (<-German title; English: "Holocaust") was broadcasted on public TV.

But before the 68ers movement was opposing a West-German chancellor called Kurt-Georg Kiesinger, who was a former NSDAP-member as well as many other former well known Nazis who became to power again in West-Germany ... google Red Army Faction

They'll kill us all. You know what kind of pigs we're up against. This is the Auschwitz generation. You can't argue with people who made Auschwitz. They have weapons and we haven't. We must arm ourselves!

>>3155637
>especially when you deny genocides done by communist
Nobody denied any communist atrocities here

Why do Stormies call everyone a commie when they get called out on their bullshit?

>>3155068
Typical stormweenie getting rekt lmao

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>>3154872
>he posts a youtube link as proof of anything

How about all the people who have dead family members who's absence can only be explained by state sanctioned mass murder? Seems pretty straightforward to me.

The nazis loved only one thing more than killing jews, and that was taking meticulous records. The paper trail on the holocaust could go to the moon and back.

So theres literally no proof?

>>3149633
even wikipedia says 5.8-5.9 million

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>>3149650

Debunk these point, /leftypol/.

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>>3152129
>reddit spacing

>>3157296
>This is how Eisenhower exterminated 1.5 million German POWs in the Rhineland after the war.
kek

>>3157296
Not /leftypol/, but:
>no sources
There, done.

There's nothing else to say about the holocaus and the teory to debunking all that rubish. We can spend a lot talking and fighting against us, but can we discuss (of course in other thread) about how the USA make to all the ex-axis countries to pay debt to them?

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>>3157317
You just debunked the theory of relativity.

>>3157317

Alrighty then, point me to dem autopsy reports of gassing victims.

>>3157425
Look for documentations in the Krasnodar trials of 1943, they managed to autopsy victims of gas vans.

>>3157463
>Krasnodar

You mean the Soviet kangaroo court of Soviet traitors that used evidence of killings in gas vans that the Soviets invented and used?

>>3149657
>Her Majesty the Queen
>District Court of Ontario
>"WELCOME TO AMERICA!"
Lol, I would beg to differ. but other than a bunch of unimportant shit like that, good posts friend.

>>3157484
>N..NO!!!1!! DOESNT COUNT, BECAUSE IT HURTS MY FEELINGS!!!!

Whatever then, the whole "muh autopsy" is pointless argument anyway.

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>>3149463
Read this

Hmmm a holocaust thread where there's no sign of that Mexican retard that types in all caps like he's angry.

>>3157573
>Holocaust conspiracy theorist
>PhD

Doubt.jpg

>>3157560
>no autopsy reports from gassing victims of concentration camps by the allies that "liberated" them provided
>"H-H-H-HERE, HAVE AUTOPSY REPORTS FROM AN UNRELATED SOVIET INFIGHTING INCIDENT THAT HAS FUCKALL TO DO WITH THE FAMED GERMAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS!"

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The rules are simple. Answer a SINGLE question from the attached picture and win a prize!

GOOD LUCK CONTESTANTS!

>>3157689
>"No autopsy was done on people gassed by Nazis"
>"It was, see X"
>"X is unrelated, because they were not gassed in a way I didn't specified"

What did you expected, moron? Jerries leaving fresh corpses for Americans? Or perhaps staff giving tours to the visitors?

>>3151931
this

The french law, for example, bans the denial of any mass killings through out history

>>3155734
Because of the >le capitalist man face on the right. It's used in a lot of /leftypol/ bullshit

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>>3157872
What if the mass killing didn't happen? This is a separate question from the Holocaust, Holodomor, and the Armenian Genocide. Hypothetically if I found proof that a massacre did not occur, would that be legal to report it?

>>3157904
My guess would be If you could prove it in the trial, then you are OK.

>>3157819
>Jerries leaving fresh corpses for Americans?
Yes. That's kinda required for an autopsy.

>>3157912
Thanks for pointing out how retarded is the whole "where is autopsies" argument.

>>3157918
I'm not even the same guy that brought up the autopsies. Walk me through this.
>yes there were autospys see X
>no there weren't any bodies to autopsy that argument is retarded
Just what the fuck are you trying to say here?

>>3157904
There is too much evidence for this. It's possible that you will find that certain massacres did not occur or that less people were killed.

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>>3157932
Fully hypothetical question regarding the French law as stated. Massacre X has been declared a crime against humanity. You find proof that Massacre X did not occur or was misrepresented in the public square. If you were then to report the truth about Massacre X would be prosecuted?

>>3157939
*would you be

>>3157930
I'm sorry, if I get you wrong since your post lacks in clarity. But apparently you failed to recognize that our beloved denier limited the term "autopsy of gassed people" to "autopsy of people gassed in lagers".

>>3157954
Explain the significance of the distinction between the two.
Are we not talking about the absence/presence of autopsies found in the camps here?

>>3157904
this>>3157909

>>3157939
It's unlikely that it would ever happen.

>>3157965
>Explain the significance of the distinction between the two.
Don't ask me, I was not the one limiting it.

>Are we not talking about the absence/presence of autopsies found in the camps here?
Our beloved denier >>3157425 asked for "autopsy reports of gassing victims", when he got it he got angry because it wasn't in the famous lagers. So I pointed out it wouldn't make sense for Nazis to leave fresh corpses for an autopsy.

>>3157981
So there wasn't a single autopsy of one of the camp victims then?

>>3157990
duh

>>3157990
Are you really that stupid? They burned all the corpses. And what's wrong with gas vans?

>Soviet invention
I guess the Soviets also invented German documents metioning them and Polish witnesses who saw them?

>>3158004
Then where is the argument?
This whole thing started because someone said their were no autopsies of the camp prisoners.

>>3158008
But they found piles of bodies in the camps. What killed them if not gas?

>>3158012
>but they found piles of bodies in the camps
In which camps? The only camp that was liberated before the Germans destroyed most of the evidence was Majdanek.

>>3158012
Oh, well I guess I just didn't bothered to read that dumb jpeg and started from here >>3157425.

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Any denier needs to read these harrowing stories and then cry.

>>3158063
>same dumb shit every day
You are really boring.

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>>3158086
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.798168
http://archive.is/eBgpR

Anyone who thinks this is a tall tale is scum.

Is denying the holocaust some sort of requisite for antis*mitism
Cant you hate kikes while accepting it happened

>>3158108
Antisemitism is usually conspiracy driven.

>>3158063
>>3158095
You're pathetic.

>>3158108
If you hate Jews then there is already something wrong with you. You can diagree with Israel's policy or dislike Jewish lobby in the USA, but hating all Jewish people is simply stupid. They are not a hivemind.

>>3158063

>it's a "stormfaggots have no idea what source analysis is" episode

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>>3158129
>>3158162
You are holocaust deniers and should be ashamed. Just like the Nazis in pic related. All of you should apologize at once.

The Holocaust is basically pop culture made in the 70's which is now a part of the Jewish mythology and you're a retard for believing it

>>3158260
I am sure Wiesenthal is the Historic consensus regarding the holocaust. There has to be a little something called a convergence of evidence

>>3158265
N*zism is pop culture too i guess

>>3154814
What are you trying to say here exactly, that the bombing didn't happen or that it was unnecessary? Because it is quite a mainstream notion that it happened and that it was unnecessary.

>>3154872
wow this video is banned in the CZ-republic I wonder why... maybe because it is all BS

>>3158260

It's also a "stormfaggots pretend to take all eyewitness testimony seriously and accuse anyone else who doesn't of being a stormfaggot, like that's even a thing that happens" episode

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February 14, 1942: The Führer once again expressed his determination to clean up the Jews in Europe pitilessly. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that has now overtaken them. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.

March 27, 1942: The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.

>>3158315
>quite a mainstream notion that it happened
It didn't happen, you fucking shill. It's mainstream because you HOG bots spread it to garner sympathy for yourselves and then strike us when we're the weakest. Dresden didn't happen and you're simply using this to garner sympathy and demonize others when you were the ones at fault and ACTUALLY bombed shit.

>>3155266
Umm thats true actually
Hitler loved muslims
Hell 70000 azeris fought in the wermacht and ss

>>3149650
>Why would the zionist invent a new method
What are masturbation machines? What are blade rooms? What was the pool of electricity?

>>3158459

>a handful of bogus accounts mentioned only once, proves the hundreds of other accounts that match each other are bogus too

>>3158459
Stop comparing gas chambers to war rumors or imagined atrocities. How many people mentioned things like blade rooms?

>>3158476
More like a handful of bogus accounts no one wants to call out beside being ridiculous are pushed in the narrative also many agreed on them despite no real evidence. Eye witness testimonies are tediously hard to confirm.
>>3158486
How many people mentioned x? How many Y? When there's such a consistentcy in ridiculous claims it's obvious there's something deeper in the mix
>>3154491
Only thing I'm arguing is that
a) They planned to kill all jews
b) The jews di nuffin wrong
c) The holocaust ia greatly exaggerated and lied about constantly
d) Gas chambers were in use at least in mass numbers

>>3158494

>are pushed in the narrative

Are they? Literally the only time I ever see them mentioned are in stormnigger "hurrrr look at these stories they say they wanked kids to death ! Doesn't that make you think? HMMMMM????!" threads.

>>3158494
>When there's such a consistentcy in ridiculous claims it's obvious there's something deeper in the mix
There isn't. One person mentioned blade rooms, 100 people (Germans, Poles, Jews, Russians, Ukrainians and others) mentioned gas chambers. You really don't see the difference? We also have orders for gas tight doors, photos of krematoria, photos of bodies being burned in open pits, reports how many people were transferred to each death camp, reports of death squads and many other documents.

>>3158517
Why are you SJWs so upset?

>>3158527
>SJW
You can hate Nazis and neo-Nazi lies and not be a SJW.

>>3158530
You can't, Why should i hate people who fight against you anti white shills?

>>3158534
Why do you care you anti*white cucklord? Go back to lefypol you communist swine

>>3158522
As i said not in such big numbers doubt most than more than 100.000 died in supposed gas chambers. The exaggeration comes in the different numbers and details about the gas chambers
>>3158517
Problem is the ones making such ridiculous claims are regarded as trustworthy witnesses in trials
>>3158534
Neo nazis are controlled opposition

>>3158549
> doubt most than more than 100.000 died in supposed gas chambers.
substantiate your claims

http://ww2today.com/6th-november-1942-ss-untersturmfuhrer-taubners-private-killing-spree

>The accused shall not be punished because of the actions against the Jews as such. The Jews have to be exterminated and none of the Jews that were killed is any great loss.
I don't know why stormfags even try. I remember reading some revisionist "debunking" ot this verdict where they desperately tried to prove that the Court meant "Jewish-bolsheviks" and not all Jews, which is of course just another lie.

>Meanwhile Rottenfuhrer Abraham shot the children with a pistol. There were about five of them. These were children whom I would think were aged between two and six years.
I guess bolsheviks from kindergarten were a common thing in Russia.

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Why has there been a massive increase in the amount of people that deny the holocaust within the last year? Like there's just been a mad increase in general stormfaggotry every where I go I've noticed.
Is it cause /pol/ became mainstream due to the election shit, attracting all sorts of gullible normalfags?

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>>3158342

>>3158551
That method of killing is notoriously retarded and hard considering that you could basically only have it working at night to avert prisoners for having suspicions. You would need about one hour to gas a group of at most 30 jews and then drag them out crematorium them and then call the next prisoners generally speaking i doubt this method even existed mostly as it's widely ineffective and constly. The most likely candidate for cremated bodies are typhus victims.

>>3158564
Goebbels refers here to so called Hitler's prophecy. And it's not the only time when he mentioned it. You can always check German version.

>>3158573
You literally do not know how it worked.

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remember pic related is the type of mental gymnastics the people you are debating go through.

>>3158582
>mental gymnastics
More like lies or lack of knowledge. Mattogno or Irving are masters of mental gymnastics, your typical storm/pol/fag is just an uneducated moron.

>>3158573
Dunno much about gassing myself but this provides pretty reasonable evidence showcasing how you didn't need an entire "hour" to gas people:
>The LD50 for gaseous hydrogen cyanide is 100-300 parts per million. Inhalation of cyanide in this range results in death within 10-60 minutes, with death coming more quickly as the concentration increases. Inhalation of 2,000 parts per million hydrogen cyanide causes death within one minute. The LD50 for ingestion is 50-200 milligrams, or 1-3 milligrams per kilogram of body weight. For contact with unabraded skin, the LD50 is 100 milligrams per kilogram of body weight.

>>3158573
>you would need about one hour to gas a group of at most 30 jews
How did you come upon these figures you cited? Every text I have read says 5-15 minutes at most.

>>3158592
>>3158606
>>3158581
You also forgot to put into account decontamination as you would need a Jew as eye witnesses point out to drag them out and since we got alives one that did just that.

>>3158582
is the part about why germany hates the jews accurate?

>>3158582
>churchill ignores them all under the guidance of his jewish advisers
Does it not occur to these that maybe they were paranoid that they would of just invaded anyway at a later date (which Germany had already done something similar) instead of DA JOOZ

>>3158615
There was a ventilation system.

>>3157296
>"Debunk this"
ahem
*clears throat*
*polishes glasses*
*looks at u*

no

sources

>>3158619
No. Germans did not hate the Jews. A lot of them were disgusted by the Kristallnacht.

>>3158633
Proof? Was it like the supposed ovens that lead to rollecoaster ovens?

>>3150048
now prove the starvation and disease was intentional

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>>3158658
"Entlüftung" and "Belüftung"

>>3149633
the main argument i would present is that there are no gas chambers

>>3149650
this image claims nazis were super secret about it but their code was cracked and everyone heard their communications

>>3158658
It's an established fact mentioned by many witnesses. I think you can see some mentions of pumps on original gas chamber blueprints.

>>3158681
Proof's already been posted, see >>3158669

>>3158678
They used the terms special treatment or resettlement to the east. But sometimes even they fucked up and mentioned extermination of Jews.

>>3158691
From the Kinna report:

>Imbeciles, idiots, cripples and sick people have to be removed from the camp within a short time by liquidation to unburden the camp. But this measure has insofar complications as, according to the order from the RSHA, the Poles have to die of a natural death contrary to the measures applied on the Jews.

>>3150008
sad pictures dont prove systematic extermination

>>3158704
Then what about the Wannsee conference?

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>>3158129
>If you hate Jews then there is already something wrong with you.

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>>3158704
What about this one? Apparently a lot of people died of typhus in Auschwitz. Even 4 crematoria weren't enough to burn all these bodies. One could even say that it's possible that 900.000-1.2 million people died there.

>>3158564
>trying to prove one translation wrong with another translation
This has got to be the dumbest shit ever. Might as well be that the Norwegian translation is the wrong one.

Check the original language first, instead.

>>3154814
Trying to deny Dresden bombing is no different than trying to deny the holocaust. I liked this thread because it's bashing on /pol/tards who deny holocaust, but then you wen't full retard yourself.

What exactly is your agenda here? Are you polish or do you simply hate Germans for other reason?

And before you go "NEONAZI /POL/ HOG GO JERK OFF TO HITLER", I'm 1/4 Jewish and my grandfather escaped nazi germany as a kid.

>>3158691
>muh codewords
pizzagate tier

>>3158794
>I'm 1/4 Jewish and my grandfather escaped nazi germany as a kid.
>Look, I'm not a HOG shill, read this totally true story!
Your lies don't work here, KIDF shill.

>>3158752
prove those people were deliberately exterminated.

>>3158804
see >>3158722

>>3158582
>literally get an ulitamtum stating "if you do a thing we're at war
>do the thing anyway
>somehow you didn't start the war

>>3158794
Are you seriously this fucking dense that you take Dresdenying seriously?

>>3158722
Extermination is never mentioned.

>>3158809
a meeting =! proof jews were purposefully killed

>>3158817
>>3158816
>Heydrich outlined how European Jews would be rounded up and sent to extermination camps in the General Government (the occupied part of Poland), where they would be killed.

>>3158822
Link

>The archives of the Third Reich and the depositions and accounts of its leaders make possible a reconstruction, down to the last detail, of the origin and development of the plans for aggression, the military campaigns, and the whole array of procedures by which the Nazis intended to reshape the world to their liking. Only the campaign to exterminate the Jews, as regards its conception as well as many other essential aspects, remains shrouded in darkness.

David Irving

>>3155443
Which financial institution sounds like it's better at keeping your money?

Goldsilver Diamond Bank
Poverty Misery Bank

>>3158798
Oh damn, guess I got caught. Better go change my extremely Jewish surname to Hitler and go dig up my grandfather from the jewish graveyard and tell him that his grandson is KIDF shill and he never existed.

>>3158815
I honestly don't know if this person is just trolling or mentally ill. What troll would got this far?

>>3158828
>David Irving
For one the guy literally mistranslated "Judentransport" on purpose and backepdalled in trial when presented with Himmler's documents regards to Hitler "not knowing about Jewish extermination", when the font was literally in the size made so the Fuhrer could be able to read it, + it was marked as "read by the Fuhrer".
Anyways, how does this disprove the Wannsee conference? We have Eichmann's records, you know.
>At Wannsee, Heydrich emphasized that once the mass deportation was complete, the SS would take complete charge of the exterminations.

>>3158822
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-wannsee-conference

i dont see anything here that proves any intention of planned extermination.

>>3158840
>At the conclusion of the meeting Heydrich gave Eichmann firm instructions about what was to appear in the minutes. They were not to be verbatim: Eichmann ensured that nothing too explicit appeared in them. He said at his trial: "How shall I put it — certain over-plain talk and jargon expressions had to be rendered into office language by me". Eichmann condensed his records into a document outlining the purpose of the meeting and the intentions of the regime moving forward. He stated at his trial that it was personally edited by Heydrich, and thus reflected the message he intended the participants to take away from the meeting

>>3158857
wheres the proof that heyrich did this, wheres this document? which museum is it being kept at?

>>3158839
Woops, did I say that was David Irving?

That was actually French-Jewish historian Leon Poliakov.

>>3149463

the holocaust is just the war told from one group's perspective, to fit one group's agenda. If you swallow it unquestioningly the way its presented to you, you're just an idiot. Historical claims like this, about war time atrocities against a particular group, pointing the finger at another group, should be treated as suspect. Because they are suspect. That doesn't mean that it didn't happen or that you should deny it outright. But not accepting the holocaust unquestioningly and with suspicion is forbidden and taboo, when really, that just called being an intelligent person, investigating history skeptically, like you should. Instead, jews and the establishment want it fed to you as propaganda. Which just makes it even more suspicious in my opinion. The amount of emotional charge and emotional manipulation surrdounding this topic is extremely fucking suspicious. People argue against holocaust skepticism, denial and revionism without argument. And they are definitely conditioned to do so.

People are very naive and susceptible to propaganda in general. Showing me pictures of starved people and bodies and showing me images of corpses being bulldozed into graves is not proof of the claims about the holocaust. In fact if it isnt presented in the proper context, its not even evidence. So don't show me that and make a bunch of claims then act as if thats proof or evidence of those claims. Don't teach me about history like that, and if you do, I have to ask why? seriously why? Isn't it kind of insulting to my intelligence and to all of the victims of WW2 to show me pictures of hundreds of dead bodies in a camp as if this was not a common site in places everywhere in europe at the time?

I don't get why people can't wrap their head around the idea of a lot of people making up stories about atrocities that aren't true for propaganda and agenda / self serving purposes.

>>3158886
>I don't get why people can't wrap their head around the idea of a lot of people making up stories about atrocities that aren't true for propaganda and agenda / self serving purposes.

I'm not saying thats what the eye witness accounts of the holocaust are, but why is it that people can't tolerate the very idea that such a thing is possible? If you tell stories that manipulate peoples emotions enough, they will accept it unthinkingly and won't even dare think about questioning whether something is up, because that is just horrible how dare anyone do such a thing

>>3157296
>Muh one Gazillion Germans
Stopped reading there. Didn't happen.
That's not to say people didn't die in the Rheinwiesenlager tho

>>3158857

"A guy said that what is actually written in this document was really meant to be something else but it had to be changed so that it would look like what is actually written in this document instead. Therefore, what is actually written in this document is really supposed to be what that guy said its supposed to be in stead, and uh...its true because he says it is"

reworded to sound just as absurd as it is

>>3158108
>Cant you hate kikes while accepting it happened
Yes. Why couldn't you?

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>Nazis claim Holocaust didn't happen
>ignore Goebbels' diaries
>ignore Jäger report
>ignore Himmler's speeches in Posen
>ignore Höfle Telegram
>ignore testimony of Sonderkommandos and Kapos

>>3158886
>Don't teach me about history like that, and if you do, I have to ask why?
Because children and the vast majority of the population tend to not have a doctorate in history and 45 years of historiography, epistemology, philosophy of science, logic, rhetoric and statistics under their belt. Neither has the vast majority of them ever touched a scientific journal or even knows what that is.

It isn't even the point of education to prove what you're being taught. It'd be nice to prove every single thing from its foundations, but that's impossible to do in a detailed way on a large scale. Try teaching a first-grader the peano axioms and compare the utility of that versus the utility of just teaching them about the structure of natural numbers. Teaching the foundations early comes with unacceptable opportunity costs.

> People argue against holocaust skepticism, denial and revionism without argument.
Now, that's a sweeping generalization, if I've ever seen one.

>But not accepting the holocaust unquestioningly and with suspicion is forbidden and taboo,
The problem people have with holocaust deniers, as opposed to real skeptics, isn't their questioning or even their coming to a different conclusion, it's their refusal to accept evidence and answers fairly.
That's why they're not being skeptics. That's what makes them denialists.

>>3149633
>6 millions
>4 millions
>100000
>etc
When there's 10 different truths it means there's at least 9 lies. That's why people find these history pages very suspect. And the figures aren't the only lies, there was also several lies about the method, and so on...

I do believe that a lot of civilians were killed by nazis, but gas chambers WTF? All it takes to kill thousands of people stacked in a camp is 72 hours without water (that's what happened in the trains btw). Free, quick, safe, highly efficient. Why would you invent some fancy overcomplicated and dangerous process?

>>3159037
Im indifferent to jews or any other race

>>3159092
>Judaism
>a race
It's a religion, not a race.

>>3159098
It's also considered an ethnicity

>>3159113
Is "Christian" an ethnicity?

Also, ethnicity isn't the same thing as "race" either, unless you're being misleading by using deprecated, 18th century diction and genuinely think that there's a thing such as the "Wallonian race" or "Frisian race" and that a recently converted Jew in Russia is of the same ethnicity as an Argentinian Jew with a Jewish genealogy reaching back 20 generations.

>>3159091
>When there's 10 different truths it means there's at least 9 lies.
Or 1 truth and 9 errors. Like you'd say in literally any other branch of science.
Or 10 approximated truths, 1 of them being the closest to the real truth, the others iteratively less so.

See? There doesn't need to be a grand conspiracy.

>>3159087
>Because children and the vast majority of the population tend to not have a doctorate in history and 45 years of historiography, epistemology, philosophy of science, logic, rhetoric and statistics under their belt. Neither has the vast majority of them ever touched a scientific journal or even knows what that is.

whats your point?

>It isn't even the point of education to prove what you're being taught.

if I'm being taught something or I'm teaching someone something and its supposed to be real, then it needs to be demonstrated that its real, that can't be ignored, and you can't teach something as propaganda if its supposed to be real

> It'd be nice to prove every single thing from its foundations, but that's impossible to do in a detailed way on a large scale. Try teaching a first-grader the peano axioms and compare the utility of that versus the utility of just teaching them about the structure of natural numbers. Teaching the foundations early comes with unacceptable opportunity costs.

red herring

>Now, that's a sweeping generalization, if I've ever seen one.

its a sweeping generalisation because the vast majority of people who argue against holocaust skepticism, denial or revision are doing it without argument. Asserting something doesn't make it so, now matter how much you try to employ taboo or manipulation, or how emotionally charged your assertion is

>The problem people have with holocaust deniers, as opposed to real skeptics, isn't their questioning or even their coming to a different conclusion,

people don't just have a prolem with holocaust deniers or revionists. They have a problem with skepticism, questioning and coming to a different conclusion.

>>3159133
>Is "Christian" an ethnicity?

no..do you seriously not understand how and why jews are an ethnicity but christians aren't? do you know how the religion of judaism and the jewish community work?

>and that a recently converted Jew in Russia

you say that like thats a common thing that happens all the time and that this is how the russian jewish community arose. You know there are more born jews then converts right?

>>3159173
>do you know how the religion of judaism and the jewish community work?
Do you know how the claim of how it supposedly works differs from how it actually works?

>you say that like thats a common thing that happens all the time
It does happen often enough for it to bring up.

>and that this is how the russian jewish community arose.
I didn't say that, neither did I mean to, nor does this even follow from what I said.

>>3159164
>>whats your point?
Assessing the truth value of a statement to a degree that would satisfy you would requires a vast amount of knowledge that almost no one possesses. It is impractical to demand that high a truth standard in a standard conversation.

>if I'm being taught something or I'm teaching someone something and its supposed to be real, then it needs to be demonstrated that its real, that can't be ignored, and you can't teach something as propaganda if its supposed to be real
In your education program, did you start from the foundations of all knowledge? Or did you just implicitly assume some things to be true?
In what way is a photo depicting corpses claimed to be inmates from a death camp, a photo that is claimed to be evidence for the truth of the Holocaust, not already evidence that something happened? It may be weak evidence, but it is. So, even in your example, the truth was attempted to be demonstrated.

>red herring
Nope. That is important.

>its a sweeping generalisation because the vast majority of people who argue against holocaust skepticism, denial or revision are doing it without argument.
First of all, then they aren't arguing. They're then just asserting truth.
Second, I doubt that. When people are actually arguing, coming up with usually weak - but in this case strong - arguments such as arguments from authority is easy.

>Asserting something doesn't make it so, now matter how much you try to employ taboo or manipulation, or how emotionally charged your assertion is
You should try applying that insight to your own claims.

>>3158886
>I'm not a dumb anti-Semite, I'm looking for truth!
>Instead, jews and the establishment want it fed to you as propaganda.
Every time. This is really pathetic.

>>3158863
It was not until 1947 that Luther's copy (number 16 out of 30 copies prepared) was found by Robert Kempner, a U.S. prosecutor in the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, in files that had been seized from the German Foreign Office.[67]

Christ, at least read the fucking Wikipedia article on what you're talking about before entering a discussion.

>>3159145
History is not a science though.

>Or 1 truth and 9 errors
I disagree. From the reader's point of view, everything that's not the truth is a lie, not an error, otherwise it wouldn't have been taught. You don't teach errors...
Plus you perfectly know that this part of history is a matter of propaganda, much more than any other part of history. There was reasons to inflate the truth, thus lying.

>>3159077
You anti white cucks are so brainwashed

>>3159301
You know nothing about history or how historians work. Stop posting because it's obvious that you are just another dumb /pol/fag.

>>3159312
Not your safespace, anti white cuck

>>3159317
Hitler killed more white people than any other regime.

>>3159312
wtf?

>>3159325
Wrong, Hitler wasn't the leader of the soviets

>>3159331
>Plus you perfectly know that this part of history is a matter of propaganda, much more than any other part of history.
It's not.
>There was reasons to inflate the truth, thus lying.
The numbers are not inflated.

>>3159334
You know there is virtually no evidence that Stalin killed 20 million people, let alone 60 million.

>>3159344
Leftypol shill confirmed, fuck off

>>>/leftypol/

>>3159338
>The numbers are not inflated.
They were. The same authors went from 6 millions to 4 millions.
Actually it doesn't matter, it's still a lot of crimes, but you're a fool if you think it wasn't inflated on purpose.

>>3159301
>History is not a science though.
Rockets aren't science either.

But rocket science is, just like history isn't science, but the study of history is.

Anglos have a warped perception of what constitutes science, IMHO. By "science", I understand the search for knowledge or understanding (from "scientia", present participle of "scire", to know, to understand). In Germany, we call it "Geschichtswissenschaft" (science of history). Basically, philosophy, like it was perceived before the nonsensical distinguishing between natural sciences and the humanities.

>From the reader's point of view, everything that's not the truth is a lie, not an error, otherwise it wouldn't have been taught.
I don't give a fuck about his view because his view is nonsense, since it's factually wrong that people are always lying when they aren't saying the actual truth. If I say that the bus station is near the theatre because I thought that it's near the theatre, but it's actually not, then I didn't lie to you, I just erred. Lies include intent to supply someone with information you know to be wrong.

>Plus you perfectly know that this part of history is a matter of propaganda, much more than any other part of history. There was reasons to inflate the truth, thus lying.
You're assuming the consequent.

Sorry, mate, but you're absolutely clueless about how historiography works, if you think that people are lying because the numbers varied strongly for a while. You probably didn't even know that it's a common Holocaust denier tactic, though. I give you the benefit of doubt, although that makes no difference to me in how I'll treat you.

>>3159365
This is how history works. 5.5-6 million is still the most common estimate even today. How was it inflated?

>>3159373
>believe my propaganda or else!
Fuck off leftypol rat

>>3159389
All you are accomplishing by insulting me is making me pity you.

>>3159373
>If I say that the bus station is near the theatre because I thought that it's near the theatre, but it's actually not, then I didn't lie to you, I just erred.
There's a slight difference between informing a passerby and writting history pages...

>You're assuming the consequent.
Of fucking course. The facts were already serious and enormous: there were camps and people died en masse in these camps. Excuse me for "assuming" that these facts were embellished for an obvious post war propaganda.

>>3159468
>There's a slight difference between informing a passerby and writting history pages...
The difference in the essence is negligibly low for the purpose of this argument, and there must be a difference in an analogy from explanans to explanandum, or both would just be the same thing.

> Excuse me for "assuming"
I won't.

>>3159397
Why would i care about what some anti white sjw thinks of me?

>>3159303
>Holocaust denier acts like he is the perfect example of a white man

>>3159556
>anti white SJW thinks white people should worship the jews

>>3159384
I was taught at school that 8 to 10 million jews were gassed in extermination camps. In reality it happens that they were killed mostly by other means over almost all Europe (not to mention they were fewer). It makes a big difference, especially in the mind of a youngster. It was inflated on every aspect.

>>3159564
>Holocaust denier worships a leader retarded enough to fight on two fronts

>>3159647
>jew worshipping cuck calls other stupid
>loves how "refugees" are swarming into his own country
You cucks are unbelievable

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>>3159864
Considering how much Cuckler adored islam, if he had won, Europe would've been brown by 1970, instead of 2030.

>>3160041
>this is what anti white cucks actually believe

>>3158534
Lmao. Why are you guys arguing with a literal retard? He obviously has schizophrenia, and is just a step from wearing tin foil as a hat?

Just ignore idiots like this.

>>3157405
>mathematical theorem.
>no proof
wew

>>3159301

>history is not science

If you understood what this statement meant instead of parroting it you wouldnt be arguing about kike conspiracies.