Why Max Stirner philosophy is related with marxism?

>>3146539
It's a joke

>>3146539

isnt he basically Ayn Rand?

Everything's a spook except their beliefs, they even think class isn't an identity. The epitome of what a pseudo-intellectual is.

>Marxists are retarded
Whoa

>>3146539
he just hung out with marx and engels, he wasnt a commie

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>>3146562
Then why they include him in this cancer

>>3146639
Because /leftypol/ includes anarchists

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>>3146649
>anarchists today use tankie propaganda
>historically anarchists got backstabbed for them.

They never learn, don't you think?

>>3146549

Rand's entire worldview is centered around the deification of property rights, something that Stirner would have considered spooky.

>>3146639
>Stirner
>supporting communists, leftists, and anti-fascists
>wanting to kill reactionaries in the name of "human progress" and "equality"

He was essentially an anarchist, so he's grouped in with the left, but he considered Marxism (and ideology in general) a "spook".
He was an acquaintance of Engels, but Marx considered him an opponent and wrote a furiously butthurt critique of Stirner's work.

This Stirner meme shit was such a mistake. Literally none of you fags I've seen on here understand it in the slightest.

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>>3146808
Leftypol have a crush with him

>>3146800
500 pages of butthurt to be exact

>>3146722
Most them grow out of it by the time they're 25

>>3146649
>lmao dude all human information is actually just fluff in your brain and isn't real in physical reality
>no be a truly woke egoist and only live for yourself but please ignore that the very idea of egoism is also a spook

Also for some reason lefties use these ideas to attack nationalism and traditionalism but ignore that stirner made all that shit to trigger marx and make fun of class politics

>>3146639
WTF...Burn this with fire.

>>3146553
Stirner did and called out marx on his fetishisation of "society", which is also a spook.

>>3146539
Stirner trolled Marx and the other commies legendary hard at a piss up over at Hippel's. Karl was so pissed that he wrote a 800 page reply called Stank Max, but he then didn't publish it because he didn't want to give Max the (You)'s.
Still totally pissed at Max's epic troll he then invented Historic Materialism and ever since Marxists are eternally buttmad at Stirner.

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>>3146980

>>3146861
I'm an anarchist and I'm 67 years old. Try again.

>>3147036
>I'm an anarchist and I'm 67 years old. Try again.
If you are still anarchist with 67 trying is futile.

>>3147036
True revolutionaries die fighting capitalism, bourgeois.

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>>3146995
>fetishisation

>>3147003
So then why do people on the left hold him so much?

>>3146818
I hate /leftypol/ so goddamn much.

>>3146967
"Egoism" is a spook if it's some ideal you need to live up to. If you actually read his book, he's making observations, not telling you to go become an egoist or a "Stirnerist".

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i don't understand why the right wing want to appropriate stirner so bad

>>3147089
actually they don't. Commies and left spectrum anarchos dislike him quite a bit.

>>3147089
Because he's a dank mee mee.

>>3146539
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>>3147110
He was blonde IRL.

>>3147089
>Don't understand Lefty Humor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3fnwk7AVaw

>>3147112
>>3147113
>>3147125
So, he's just a meme to them?

>>3147119
WE

>>3146639
Is that what leftypol considers "memes". Its just i dont know......... shit

>>3147130
Yes. His book is really autistic and verbose, so very few actually read it. They just see the memes with le smoking cartoon calling everything a "spook".

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>>3147142
Sieze the memes of production

>>3147142
The image was made to make fun of lefties iirc, but then again I've never seen the source, but that's the context I've always seen it in.

>>3147144
that's the case with any philosopher that becomes mainstream knowledge for autists on a loation pig-breeding forum

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>>3147119
>He was blonde IRL.
not true!

>>3147164
Yes, but Stirner is somewhat obscure IRL, so he is almost entirely associated with the memes.

>>3146800
Anarchism by leftypol feat stirner
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6YQUcZcP1A

>>3147153

this makes me physically sick

>>3146539
At most Stirner was a socialist. He thought a lot of justification for state and moral institutions were bunk and other high and mighty concepts of nationalism. His views were pretty radical and progressive for the time which is why a lot of left folks like him.

>>3147166
Engels hung around with him in the same group of German intellectuals called the Young Hegelians and indeed he wrote his hair was blond.

>>3147154
Nope, they not even hide it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye31_M3rxlc

Every labor is to have the intent that the man be satisfied. Therefore he must become a master in it too, i.e. be able to perform it as a totality. He who in a pin factory only puts on the heads, only draws the wire, works, as it were, mechanically, like a machine; he remains half-trained, does not become a master: his labor cannot satisfy him, it can only fatigue him. His labor is nothing by itself, has no object in itself, is nothing complete in itself; he labors only into another’s hands, and is used (exploited) by this other. For this laborer in another’s service there is no enjoyment of a cultivated mind, at most, crude amusements: culture, you see, is barred against him. [...]

The laborers have the most enormous power in their hands, and, if they once became thoroughly conscious of it and used it, nothing would withstand them; they would only have to stop labor, regard the product of labor as theirs, and enjoy it. This is the sense of the labor disturbances which show themselves here and there.

The State rests on the — slavery of labor. If labor becomes free. the State is lost.

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>>3146639
meme material

>>3147089
Calling everything a "spook" means they don't have to refute any arguments.

>>3147218

working for someone else and acting in your own self interest arent mutually exclusive.

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>>3147257
Not if you are a lefty

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>>3147274
thats right buddy, we just hate good things because we'er evil. Now why don't we go get you some more ice cream huh?

>>3147257
You know you talk to commies right?

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>>3147304
You aren't evil, just misleaded.

>>3146539
I think without marx's work, stirner's philosophy is a dead end, though i also think marx's engagement with stirner shaped him in a really profound way.

>>3146549
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>>3147153
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>>3146639
WTF I hate memes now

>>3147079
>secular martyrdom
No, you're the bourgeois, pinko.

>>3147356
>"dead ends are bad"

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>>3147566
>leftypol martyrdom

>>3147216
I can't wait for manufacturing to become sophisticated enough that workers can be readily replaced and all these retarded theories of labor go away. If capital becomes the only relevant factor in production I can't imagine any way you could take a bigger shit on communism

>>3147590
Communists would love if what you just described actually happened.

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>>3147613
This.

>>3147647
>humanists
Eat shit, trashrat.

>>3147613
Well yeah, if it meant just giving free stuff to people who are now out of work. This isn't assuming we've transitioned out of capitalism. I was referring to how labor 'produces' material goods. If everyone is in the service sector or is in a technical profession, the Marxist vision is pretty much totally dead.

>>3147166
desu I got legitimately excited thinking this was actually from some German film about the Young Hegelians.

>>3146539
Marx literally wrote a book that was longer then the entirety of stirners works, to call him a faggot. Guess how much of a "marxist" he was.

>>3147649
>not being a humanist
get your shit together

>>3147216
>people would enjoy working if they were the masters of labor
But that's not true. If labor was truly superior in cases wherein one is the master of their labor (I:E the self-employed artisans, watchmakers, jewelry smiths ect) they would prefer work to vacation and leisure. But in all cases where man employs labor, excepting certain individual outliers, leisure is prefered to labor whenever possible. Man naturally grows fatiuged to labor in all cases. It has nothing to do with anything mentioned.

>>3146547
fpbp

Striner influcence Marx but he was no Marxists.

>>3147586
>posting this without the proper context
It is barely a month after the whole event and already /pol/fags are revising history

Honestly, it's very useful for the Left to have yet another way to deconstruct both people and social relations(e.g calling everything a spook), so they don't have to bother with logic or reason, and simply dig a deeper ideological hole for themselves.

Problem is they don't deconstruct neither themselves nor their own ideology, and they will obviously scream murder at anyone who tries.

He's (somewhat) associated with the Young Hegelians. Marx is among them. However, Marx wrote a longass ad hominem attack on Stiner. Never published though. Probably knew he didn't actually prove Stirner wrong.

His idea of "not letting ideas or habits control you to your detriment" has some traction among certain leftists and even a few on the right. He does advocate killing and eating sacred cows so hardline ideologues anywhere on the political spectrum hate his guts. It's somewhat self-contradictory on its face so it lacks mainstream appeal.

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>>3146639
>pretending a meme created by /pol/ is created by /leftypol/
Either you are willfully ignorant or actually deceptive

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>>3148390
>implying that Striner never shit on his fellow Young Hegellians by critiquing them
>implying his the Ego and his Own was to denounce almost everyone including Marx
>implying Marx was so butthurt that he wrote Saint Max and adapted communism to his criticisms
Why do right wingers like to talk about things they don't know shit about?

>>3148472
What makes you think I'm a right-winger?

Also, you didn't really respond to my criticisms. Especially Lefty/pol/ almost exclusively use "muh spook" against right-wing people, but they don't do so for themselves, meanwhile the belief in a future materialistic utopia is the definition of a spook.

>>3147130
No, Striner's criticism of private property and statism is something almost every leftists can agree with.

Plus dank memes though

>>3148477
Because you were critiquing the Left without any real knowledge of it. Are you perhaps a radical centrist?

>but they don't do so for themselves
They do? The anarchists and socialists has never advocated their ideology of it being right or scared, but as means to escape or prevent exploitation.

>meanwhile the belief in a future materialistic utopia is the definition of a spook.
Wew lad. A spook is an abstraction the ego places above its interest. 'A future materialistic utopia' is in the ego's interest to help create, which lefties do want (instead of beleiving in it as you said). Of course there is always the danger of having that desire taking precedence above ego, but that doesn't mean it is inherently spooky.

>>3148498
>The anarchists and socialists
My bad only anarchists, socialists can be pretty spooked though

>>3148498
>The anarchists and socialists has never advocated their ideology of it being right or scared

Shut the fuck up fagtron. They wouldn't advocate for it if they didn't believe it was the highest moral good.

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>>3148507
Whether or not they believe it was the moral thing is highly irrelevant when their persuasion and arguments is rooted in exploitation and conflict of interests. Propaganda posters usually convince workers by appealing to their interests instead of morality.

I will give you christian socialists though

>>3148479
>Striner's criticism of private property
Stirner wasn't against private property per se. He's against public enforcement of private property, e.g. the government through force of arms enforces property rights. "If you can seize it and defend it, it's yours" doesn't sit well with many leftists.

>>3148523
>Whether or not they believe it was the moral thing is highly irrelevant when their persuasion and arguments is rooted in exploitation and conflict of interests

It's not irrelevant because it assumes that exploitation is morally wrong, if it isn't morally wrong, there's no reason to change anything.

And the extremely morally and culturally relativistic leftists are welcome to prove how it is morally wrong.

>>3148525
Yes and that forms that basis of anarchism.

>doesn't sit well with many leftists
Yes I agree that is why i only said they agree with his critiques because his solutions is not widely accepted. But then again the Left seems united in their criticisms of stuff but divided on the solutions to fix said stuff so that is just par for the course.

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>>3148541
>exploitation is morally wrong
But nobody (or at least the OG anarchists and socialists) made the argument that exploitation is moral wrong but rather a flaw of the system that needed to be fixed. If anything it was Striner who shat on such moralistic arguments made by anyone, left or right

>>3148549
It's not a flaw if it works.

I'm sorry, but you're not going to fool me with your historicism, Marxist.

Your arguments are moralistic, deal with it.

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>>3148556
It worked better than feudalism no doubt, but socialism (or anarchism) will work better.

>I'm sorry, but you're not going to fool me with your historicism, Marxist.
Looks like someone is mad

>>3148541
Even if exploitation could be considered morally wrong, it would be considered so because it impedes upon the ego of individuals. An egoist therefore will fight systems that exploit him and encourage others exploited by the same system to join him in his fight. This is working in his own interest.

A moralist may fight systems exploiting him but he would also take issue with systems exploiting only others.

An egoist may also take issue with systems exploiting only others and not himself, if he believes that the exploitation has indirectly affected him - made his community poor and crime ridden for example - this may negatively impact his well being.

>>3148571
> but socialism (or anarchism) WILL work better.
why you are pretty sure your collective utopia will not break because self interest of individuals or groups, how you can stop this to happen if you don't use coercion to maintain union?

>>3148549
>Using zizek to support anarchism

Why you don't use stalin then, you anarchist put gladly your neck to the marxist for sacrifice in the name of purest ideology and antirevisionism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwUDEOAxLlc

>>3148648
Sounds like an extreme gerrymandering of the definition of an egoist, and just coincidentally justifies Marxist theory.

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>>3148571
>would you chose bad poo poo
>or... good lots of nice world?

checkmate capitalism.

>>3148457
What the left fail to "digg" about Stirner and Nietzsche is that while they rejected the church and nationalism, etc. they still understood that hierarchy and coercive social structures were inevitable and even to be desired for the masses. Stirner and Nietzsche didn't want to "liberate" the mass of semi-literate plebs or raise them up. They would laugh in the faces of communists and left-anarchists, at their naivete and sentimentality.

>>3148680
Egoism can be gerrymandered to fit any ideology. If you truly understand and believe in the personal utility of the power structures inherent to fascism you can be an egoist fascist. It's the same as using existentialism to fit any moral view - which works because existentialism is inherently amoral, just as egoism is inherently anti-ideology.

Egoism and existentialism are frameworks for subjectively understanding specific ideological and moral issues/structures/etc.; they do not provide answers themselves.

That said, egoism takes a critical perspective on power structures which will generally lead to supporting ideologies like Marxist ideology which are also critical of power structures.

>>3148665
>shifting goalposts this hard
We talking about whether socialists and anarchists appeal to morality, not muh true socialism senpai

>>3148676
Dude, I have been talking how anarchists AND socialists are not appealing to morality. I am not actually supporting or advocating anarchism ITT. Learn to read you stupid nigga

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>>3148686
Preaching to the choir senpai. Would have been nice to see if Striner approved or disapproved fellow anarchists though

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>>3148370
>posting this without the proper context

What, the youtube cancer war? yes the heroic struggle between two cringy memes channels for supremacy.

>>3147314

Its in my own self interest to pay my bills

to do this I need money

your mother pays me to fuck her asshole every Wednesday

thats all within my self interest

>>3148787
>two cringy memes channels for supremacy.
Confirmed for not knowing shit about it, although it was cringy. At least the aesthetics that came out from it were good

>>3148770
Oh you got my comrade, you are too intelligent for my machiavellian schemes. but really you don't have a answer to my question? also I disagre about the left no appealing to moral, the left has adopted the anti-Aristotelian and anti-western view that a thing has to be good from start to finish for a thing to be moral in and of itself. The logic goes: Self-interest is greed, greed is bad and therefore feeding people and bringing stability to the world is morally bad because the initial motivation was selfish. Ergo saving people from starvation and misery is actually immoral as far as markets are concerned. Ideological purity is more important than results.

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>>3148804
>copy-edit alt-right memes in a nice tankie style to support anrkidies youtube channel.

For my concern, both worth a shit, but comparing this with some kind of serious ideological struggle is go too far in autism.

>>3146539
it would be impossible for him to be an advocate for communism since communism demands the sacrifice of the self for the greater good of all which is simply the opposite of egoism.

>>3148831
>pepe is always an alt right symbol
Yea it is fine to dismiss it as stupid, but at least get your facts about what actually happened right first.

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>>3148822
>the Left is appealing to morality coz i said so!
At least provide evidence for your baseless accusations

>Self-interest is greed, greed is bad and therefore feeding people...
>implying self interest automatically means greed
How wrong can you get?

>>3148784
I think he would have a detached indifference. He was a wino and an alcoholic, so he'd probably facefuck some of the cute ones.

>>3148881
that quote is so deliciously edgy, no wonder Marx hated him.

>>3148525
>Stirner wasn't against private property per se. He's against public enforcement of private property, e.g. the government through force of arms enforces property rights.
That's actually missing the point. Stirner was not against the government - he was actually not so much an Anarchist but he was closer to what Ernst Jünger later describes as the Anarch. The Anarchist wants to bring forth anarchy, the Anarch however has no political ambition. Stirner is not against claiming private property for yourself but he is neither against the state doing so. What he is against however is the notion that this was any different in nature. The only difference between an individual taking what is currently in the possession of someone else and the state doing so is that the state has more power and can thus make it normative. This should however not be confused with "taxation is theft" narratives of Ancaps that try to frame it as morally wrong. To Stirner the state is just as "right" as the bandit is who takes someone's wallet or the Capitalist who keeps more than he pays to his workers or the welfare recipient on the dole who sees no point in working. You have the right to take whatever you want, or use institutions as the state for your purpose, it is all good and equal. The only thing that matters is that there is no higher power or purpose tied to any of this. No right is sacred, no right will enforce itself. The NAP can and will be disregarded with nobody there to keep people from doing so, etc.

To adhere to Stirner does not necessarily mean to go innawoods, claim a patch of land and defend it with your shotgun. You can perfectly well exist within a modern state, benefit from all the institutions and protections it offers, adhere to its laws where you're likely to get caught for it would otherwise cause you trouble, etc.

>>3148867
Ok tell me, what happened then? why is this very important to discard to a mere fad or stupidity?

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>>3148894
>anarchist
>not against the government

Left use stirner memes because this make them look edgy and cool. they also use pepes to trigger the polfags.

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>>3148881

>>3148924
As I said: Stirner is not really an Anarchist. He has some ideological overlap with them but Stirner is more about a mental state of scepticism or outright denial towards any kind of dogma.

>>3148926
See >>3148549

Capitalism doesn't work because people are selfish and they're spooked into thinking that the pursuit of money is the only selfish cause (see: Ayn Rand)

Socialism and collectivized/democratic organization of labor fullfills the selfishness of the masses

>>3148943
In my opinion Ernst Jünger captured the essence of Stirner quite well in this quote:

“The special trait making me an anarch is that I live in a world which I ‘ultimately’ do not take seriously. This increases my freedom; I serve as a temporary volunteer”
― Ernst Jünger, Eumeswil

>>3148911
I am not here to tell you why it was important coz I too think it is stupid, but clearly you didn't understand nor know what happened. First of pepe was a meme that the /pol/ like /r9k/ and /leftypol/ co-opted for its use for reasons be explained at another day, so to call pepe solely an alt-right meme is fucking retarded.

Basically
>Batko uses a pepe avatar (coz who fucking doesn't), makes lame as fuck leftist songs that /leftypol/ likes
>/pol/ realized they could report his video and get his video taken down
>so they did
>/leftypol/ realized they could do the same so they did that to some alt right channels
>became a war of attrition that /pol/ had more to lose since alt right channels rely on Youtube and Patreon far more
>/pol/ tried to raid /leftypol/ but raided the wrong proxy
>weeks later everything returned to normal except some chessy but admittedly nice pictures were made

Was it stupid and cringy? Sure. Is pepe an alt-right symbol? No. Was it two boards vying for 'supremacy'? Hell no.

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>>3146539
Please, throw yourself out of the window and count how many times you can say "GRAVITY IS A SPOOK" before you hit the ground.

>>3148949
autistic thinking at its absolute finest

>>3147097
Where is leftypol? Is there a secret board around here?

>>3148957
So all this was just a overrated youtube raid, thanks for your answer.

>>3148993
>>3148988
/leftypol/ trying to undermine their own presence on this site as per usual

>>3148949
Capitalism isn't about greed or making money. It is a dynamic system for the allocation of resources to satisfy the interests of individuals. As such, it is inherently against any form of collectivism. It is also against any form of racism or discrimination, including nationalism (That's why the fascists hated it), because these factors tend towards the misallocation of resources, and for no good purpose. Adam Smith himself advocated for improving capitalism as a method to combat slavery, serfdom, and racism. Marx pointed out that it gave women more economic power, leading to the feminist movement, which was initially based on enlightenment moral principles.

>>3148993
Yes. Not for some 'two cringy memes channels for supremacy.'

>>3146549
>I like to be in America. Everything free in America.

>>3149001
But, in your personal opinion they misuse stirner memes intentionally to trigger /pol/ or they actually believe in the direct relation with the left movement?

>>3149000
>As such, it is inherently against any form of collectivism. It is also against any form of racism or discrimination, including nationalism
I don't think that this is inherent to capitalism.

You can build a capitalist economy that does everything a capitalist economy does but abides by certain rules, e.g. no trading with foreigners. Capitalism is not per se against discrimination. It will be inclined to be against discrimination when there is an economic benefit, e.g. when it comes to hiring cheap labour. However, if there's a strong enough incentive, for example if you hire foreigners you go to jail or will be publicly shamed, then people would naturally have reservations.

>>3148949
The capitalist society provides a person with a motivation for success. It is a common mistake to think that the definition of success in a capitalist society includes just money. Rather it's the whole pyramid of Maslow that defines the success. The free society gives one an option to pursue personal goals.

>>3148949
>selfishness of the masses
This is straight up Orwellian newspeak

>>3149166
What you describe (no trading with foreigners, if you hire foreigners you go to jail or will be publicly shamed) is neither inherent to capitalism, in fact those are politics used by fascism or convervatives to promote national interes (nationalism), capitalism have its roots in classical liberalism, who promotes liberty and fight discriminations like slavery and racism.

>>3149834
The point is that Capitalism works well enough within a certain economic constraint. The laws apply just the same. Capitalism itself is not inherently against discrimination, slavery, etc.

Capitalism was first described by people who came from a certain liberal background but they did not invent Capitalism, which will always emerge wherever people trade.

>>3149982
>capitalism=trade and markets

I thought capitalism is about private property of means of production. also you know you can have socialist with market and trading don't you?

>people who came from a certain liberal background but they did not invent Capitalism, which will always emerge wherever people trade.

Then who invented capitalism? its "human nature"

>>3150050
The point is that you can find markets that operated in a Capitalist manner before the time of Adam Smith. Capitalism existed before the name Capitalism was coined.

And rather than Capitalism bringing an end to slavery, introducing human rights, etc. I would rather say that the wealth generated by Capitalism left people the time to worry about such things. But under the premise of a different political climate it's well possible for Capitalism to co-exist with things such as slavery for much longer.

>>3146539
It's a meme, stirner didn't influence anarchist thought until long after his death and Marx actually gave him a scathing critique. He was not pro communism in any way

>>3150050
>human nature
I know commies like to mock conservatives on this, but marx did believe in "species being" or "social essence", as well as a primal state of mankind. Brainleta on both sides are too keen to memefy everything so they can shitpost about it asap.

>>3149982
>Capitalism itself is not inherently against discrimination, slavery, etc.
The act of breathing air is not inherently again discrimination, slavery, etc..

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>>3150136
He is lefty mascot now

From what ive seen people from both left and right seem to want to use Stirners stuff and ignore all the awkward parts to their idelogy. Ive even seen an ancap recomend Stirner stuff and try to distort it to his own meanings.

>>3146539
he advocated for a egoist workers union

>>3146549
no, he didn't believe in property rights. Ayn Rand is spooks all the way

>>3146995
>Stirner did and called out marx on his fetishisation of "society", which is also a spook.
how is this different from calling things a social construct and declaring yourself the victor?

>>3147218
currently shitpost on a phone made by slave labour in China from my apartment, all of it financed by a part time job as a taxi driver because of capitalism

If communism is in the working classes interest, why wasn't there a mass movement of people to the USSR or China from Western countries? Though out 20th century the USSR and communist China, both nations received aid from from the US, European nations and the white parts of the Commonwealth. All of these places took steps to isolate their populations from Western contact. Why was the Berlin Wall necessary, if marxism is so great?

>>3150232
Half the things on the right side are directly in conflict with the other half.
>Zizek and Stalin did nothing wrong
>Stirner and violent revolution
What the fuck

He's only popular on 4chan.

>>3150672
>never heard of 8ch

>>3150676
Well it's not like you're missing much.

>>3147166
That's the doctor from Master and Commander not Stirner.

>>3146549

He's neither. Its like calling Nietzsche "Randian" or "Marxist". Stirner argued for an entirely world order. He didn't even argue for anarchism or freedom, in fact he thought the concept of freedom was frivolous and arbitrary, saying one would like to free to do whatever they want, but wouldn't want to be free from access to food or water.

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>>3150709
So he was a opportunist

>>3150722

He was a voluntary egoist. If you want the ins and outs of what he thought, you really need to his book, because its like me sitting here and explaining in brief how thermodynamics works when in reality its very complicated.

His philosophy starts by dissecting pre-christian man and then modern christian man. He states that pre-christian paganism was man's infancy. Children need to learn about the world around them quickly, and so they always seek forbidden information and want to get to the roots of things to see how they work. This is reflected in paganism by their deification of nature and things immediately around them. Pagans tended to only deify things that were local to them, like the British Celts worshiped oak trees. The didn't worship a general god of trees, it was oak trees in particular because that effected them.

Then modern christian man comes along and removes nature from the equation. Earthly physical nature is unimportant, there is only one God and his word is law. They seek to abstain from natural human behavior like sex, enjoyment and general crassness and ultimately to deny their own sinful human wants and needs and follow the word of God, the Holy Spirit, unfailingly, ignoring all the irrational behavior, violence and greater evils it causes. A man might cut another's hand off for stealing because its against the Ten Commandments, with no thought as to whether that's a proportional punishment for just stealing some minor goods. He is possessed by a spook that does his thinking for him, as Stirner says.

The evolved man, he goes on, is one who recognizes this God as nothing more than a spook, a ghost that inhabits him and tells him what to do and think, without it coming from himself. Stirner makes no claims as to existence God, merely that if a God exists, its still a spook to blindly do what it says (cont).

>>3150837

He saw the evolved man as one who does he wants to do, for his own benefit and his alone. He uses the example of children playing: they don't need structure or a dogma or anything to come together and make games up and play, they can just do it, or a friend inviting you to the bar. In neither case is anyone forced to do anything, your friend isn't going to kill you or declare you a traitor for deciding you want to leave early. And that's how Union of Egoists works. People come together for their own benefit, and if at any point one of them decides it no longer benefits them, the Union is dissolved. All parties must continually consent.

That's the nuts and bolts, I've skipped over so much shit and already this is two posts long. But I hope you can see you really need to read the fucking book, his ideas can't reduced to "muh communism", "muh capitalism" or "muh spooks".

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>>3150837
Nice post anon

I'm terribly sorry but Stirner is much closer to being an ancap than to being a commie

>>3151123
>Ancaps are anarchist

hahahaha muh helicopter rides.

>>3151137

>authoritarian regimes are anarchic

>>3151137

>Having literally no government at all isnt anarchist! Having an all powerful government with a bunch of autistic rules is real anarchism!

really made me think. Also, after what was displayed in this thread, leftypol really has no place mocking others for cringy memes.

>>3151142
Are you idiot? I said ancaps have no relationship with the government, because they still need a pseudo state to protect their property rights.

But they still praise pinochet and shitty helicopter memes.