Is Noam Chomsky wrong about anything?

>>3141853
Nah he's pretty much spot on. One of the smartest people probably ever.

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>The Republican Party is quite literally more evil than Hitler and the Nazis

>>3141970
He's right. Nazis were autists but you can't fully pin the blame of the war on them. Neocons, on the other hand, are actively seeking war and to fuck up foreign countries leading to millions of innocent deaths.

>>3141901
>>3141918
>>3141977
t. First year Uni

>>3141977
The republicans didn't kill 6 gorillion of Joos though.

>>3141994
No they killed millions of muslims for the jews instead

>>3142008
Bill Glindon and Obabo didn't exactly hug muslims either.

>>3142025
You're right. America is shit.

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>>3142035
Not on the Nazi level though.

Everything. Especially free will

>>3141853
>Is Noam Chomsky wrong about anything?

Sports having no value other than preparing young men for war, and thus being government tools of oppression.

>>3141970
Comparing American Imperialism to Nazi Invasions for lebensraum =/= the US is literally worse in every single way

>>3142046
nazis had cool uniforms, american doesnt have cool anything

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>>3141853
ITT people forgetting that Chomsky is also a linguist that published academic works about linguistics

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>>3141853
He is an "anarchist" so don't take him very serious. good linguistic thought

>>3142734
People also ignore Zizek's other work, and only treat him as a failed politician.

>>3142734
>>3142848
>good linguist though

It's funny because UG is unempirical nonsense and Chomsky is one of those guys always going on about muh empiricism

>>3142183
America has cool anarchist memes

>>3141994
Neither did the nazis

I'm not well versed the specifics of what he says, but I have a hard time believing a Cambodian Genocide denier has any good political points.

From what I've seen and read, he's one of those academics who excels in one area and then thinks he's now qualified to talk about everything else. Kind of like Black Science Man, but with dangerously retarded opinions.

>is babby's first intellectual wrong about anything?
I remember being 19 too.

>>3141994
No one did.

>>3141853
Those who can't. Teach.
He appeals to the young left like the comedy shows appeal to them. They have no idea what is being said but it makes them feel smart.

>>3141853
What exactly do you think he was right about?

>>3143746
please list off your next-level intellectuals befitting your wise and learned 21-year old self.

>>3142008
And that is bad?

>>3142734
That's all he is. That's his field.

>>3141853
LIST OF CHOMSKY LIES

“He begins as a preacher to the world and ends as an intellectual crook.”
– Arthur Schlesinger
(Commentary, December 1969)

“Noam Chomsky skittles and skithers all over the political landscape to distract the
reader’s attention from the plain truth.”
– Sidney Hook
(The Humanist, March-April 1971)

“In his ideological fanaticism he constantly shifts his arguments and bends references,
quotations and facts, while declaring his ‘commitment to find the truth.’”
– Leopold Labedz
(Encounter, July 1980)

“Even on the rare occasions when Mr. Chomsky is dealing with facts and not with
fantasies, he exaggerates by a factor of, plus or minus, four or five.”
– Walter Laqueur
(The New Republic, March 24, 1982)

“After many years, I came to the conclusion that everything he says is false. He will
lie just for the fun of it. Every one of his arguments was tinged and coded with
falseness and pretense. It was like playing chess with extra pieces. It was all fake.”
– Paul Postal
(The New Yorker, March 31, 2003)

>>3141853
I. 10 Chomsky Lies About Communist Mass Murderers – General
II. 10 Chomsky Lies About Communist Mass Murderers – Indochina
III. 10 Chomsky Lies About Modern History
IV. 10 Chomsky Lies About the Cold War
V. 10 Chomsky Lies About the Indochina Wars
VI. 10 Chomsky Lies About Latin America
VII. 10 Chomsky Lies About the Nicaraguan Civil War
VIII. 10 Chomsky Lies About Terrorist Atrocities
IX. 10 Chomsky Lies About the War on Terrorism
X. 10 Chomsky Lies About Middle East Politics
XI. 10 Chomsky Lies About the Arab-Israeli Wars
XII. 10 Chomsky Lies About the Arab-Israeli Peace Process
XIII. 10 Chomsky Lies About His Collaboration With Holocaust Deniers
XIV. 10 Chomsky Falsifications – Indochina
XV. 10 Chomsky Falsifications – Other
XVI. 10 Chomsky Citations of Worthless Sources – Indochina
XVII. 10 Chomsky Citations of Worthless Sources – Other
XVIII. 10 Chomsky Numerical Distortions
XIX. 10 Chomsky Lies About Political Ideas
XX. 10 Chomsky Lies About Himself

>>3143793
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/200chomskylies.pdf

>>3143768
I could post anyone whose worldview isn't embarassingly one-dimensional. An intellectual generally challenges your worldview, not make you nod your head.

Chomsky is a lendary linguist, a great media expert, an embarrassing political commentator.

Remind me: what is Chomsky's position on US involvement in the Balkans war and WW1?

>>3141853

>DUDE TERRORISM ONLY EXIST BECAUSE ITS SO HOT!

Hes a self hating cuck pinko retard and cambodian genocide denier. Hes the typical sociopath closet aristocratic socialist

>>3143782
>>3143793
>>3143794
Why does Gnome Chumpsky lie so much? What's his end game?

>>3141977
Is Bill Clinton a neocon?
Serious question desu, I try to not get bogged down in terminology but Bill bombed Yugoslavia when Bush abstained.

>>3143823
Blame America First, apparently.

>>3143800
please reread and follow my instructions carefully

>>3143828
No. Neocons are people who used to be liberals, and then switched to being Republicans. They never become Conservatives.

Trump is a Neocon. Bill Clinton remains a moderate Democrat.

>>3143828
Probably not. His wife espoused neocon ideology though (see her positions on Iraq, Libya, Syria). Note I'm not saying that she is a neocon. I don't think she is anything really, she just knows where her bread is buttered and doesn't have the balls to say "no" to Wolfowitz, Perle, Frum, Wurmser, Cohen et al.

>>3143841
So >>3141977 is bullshit?
>Neocons, on the other hand, are actively seeking war and to fuck up foreign countries leading to millions of innocent deaths.
Plenty of people who wouldn't be described as neocons are interventionist and even warhawks, so at the very least to pretend this is specifically neocon behaviors is disingenuous.
Doesn't the american left kick up a fuss about Trump figures because they're isolationist? I don't want this to stray into the present but just the other day American liberals and centrists were getting there nickers in a twist about Trump shutting down the CIA programs that armed and trained Syrian rebels.

>>3143917
american liberals are retarded children who'll support anything that's against what drumpf wants, even if its something that the democrats themselves campaigned for. not that the gee o pee are any better DESU

>>3143917
I think Jordan Peterson has a fantastic point.

If you cannot see that you are the kind of person who would have been a Nazi throwing Jews into the death camps, you are not in touch with your true nature.

>>3141970
Not more evil, more dangerous. One is actual, the other is potential. One is affected by intentions and character, the other by power. Since America is the global hegemonic superpower, which the nazis weren't they are more dangerous.

>>3142878
Nice reduction. Chomsky is definitely not a dogmatic empiricist if you actually read him. Just because he's averse to theory doesn't mean he's some materialist, empiricist, logical positivist. He picks up a god damned lot from cartesian rationalism.

>>3143992
He's a lying piece of shit contrarian.

>>3143923
perhaps, seems like a dangerous generalization.
>>3143925
I like the sentiment but can you please explain its relevance?

>>3143794
This is honestly shocking.
Chomsky is clearly a genius, with a lot of world class accomplishments in several disciplines but I guess that doesn't inoculate you from being a bit mental to say the least.
I guess if Newton believed in biblical prophecy and alchemy, we shouldn't be surprised that gnome is not in touch with reality.

Trouble is, I guess, now we accept those who believe in the alchemy of antiquity to be incredibly ignorant or insane.
People who respect Noam's political views are maybe as much as half the western world, and the "educated" half.

He's overly optimistic about anarcho-syndicalism to the point of delusion. But he's otherwise a genius, definitely a good introductory real "red pill" in the sense of cutting through mainstream propaganda. Also a linguistic and philosophical genius. I admire his moral commitment.

>>3143999
That to say "this group of people is inherently more evil than that group of people" is absurd.

>>3143999
Liberal education is not worth having.

Sometimes hes right and sometimes hes not. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

>>3143917
>Syrian rebels.
At this point of time the situation is so confusing that i doubt that might increase stability

>>3144039
What if some group of hypothetical people want to create vast human suffering for little or no benefit, while a different group opposes them?
Are they the same level of evil?

Zizek>Chomsky

>>3141853
people should understand that he sees himself as a dedicated critique, hes not trying to be objective, he sees himself as the guy who always tries to nitpick the mistakes. and he does that well. but he is not objective, so you shouldnt get your opinions only from him.

>>3141994
Even if you think it's justified, you can't deny that American military 'adventurism' has led to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths.

>new generation of altrightists trying to bash chompsky

how cute

>>3142878
Universal Grammar in the precise mechanism that Chomsky proposed is probably not "correct", but it doesn't really matter. He wasn't the very first, but he sure as hell pioneered the field for all intents and purposes and further research.

It's like pooh-poohing Einstein or Newton because they were wrong about two little things.

The one thing where he was straight wrong, or at least inconsistent, is advocating for a ban on gun as a left-libertarian.

>>3143636
>I don't know anything about a person except what right-wing spindoctors have presented, and that must be true.
Idiot detected. Please get yourself castrated ASAP.

The thing is that Chomsky really is a polymath. I'm surprised to read someone who presumably is not a SJW BLM fedoralord use the "stay in your own lane" argument.

>>3143765
You ever taught a day in your life?

>>3145274
"Evil" is all in your head, m8.

>>3141970
He didnt say more evil, he said more DANGEROUS, on account of climate change denial, an existential threat that surpasses any tyranny. The nazis also didnt have nuclear power.

Yes climate change is real. No its not a ploy by the chinese to destroy the coal industry.

>>3143794
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>>3143782
At least a fair amount of these look like bullshit.

>>3145645
>BLM
What does the bureau of land management have to do with anything?

>>3145714
Yo momma so fat that...

>>3141977
https://archive.fo/UGODW
(((Neocons)))

>>3142176
If the sport uses a ball of some kind, it's preparation for the hunt.

>>3143765
Those who can't teach, teach in the College of Education.

>>3143770
No. Islam delenda est.

>>3145629
There is no try.

>>3145681
you are a double moron

>>3141984

So much this, only people in their academic honeymoon can take this old fart serously.

>>3141853

>inadvertently become major contributor to computer science.
>start writing books about america being nazi kraut germany

>>3142878
>>3143992
>>3145632
You guys are really confused. UG is pretty uncontroversial among linguists if you actually ask them about it.

>>3143841
Bill Clinton was a new democrat or basically what would be considered republican light.

>>3145680
That's a bad argument. Everything is "in your head". The world is "in my head".

>>3141984
Agreed desu

>Did an international studies degree, middle-eastern studies major
>Whole fucking cohort in love with Chomsky (they were as pretentious as I was) and his views on the arab-palestine ways
>Get High Distinctions/Distinctions
>Teacher practically fawned over him too
>Put out differing opinions, generally found his work to be aggrandizing and inflammatory as opposed to answering any real questions
>Wrote an essay, cited and argued against him with counterpoints
>Get nothing but a Credit for the entire time of the unit (no matter how hard or how little I tried), Teacher becomes unwilling to deal with me, talks patronisingly down to me for the entire time I remain at university undertaking as if I'm a fucktard

Chomsky shat on my academics and made me a small c conservative.

>>3146778
Not him but how so?

>>3147794

>not even smart enough to know the way to get good marks at uni is to feed professors their bullshit back to them whether you agree with it or not
>waaaaaaah Chomsky did this!

>>3147791
Your perception of the world is in your head, but it exists without you. "Evil" is a metaphysical concept bro. Blades of grass, cheeseburgers, sea cucumbers eating shit on the sea floor, balls of nuclear plasma, they exist even if your brain is being eaten by vultures.

Premising an argument on 'Who is more evil' is junk thought.

>>3147810
>>3147794
>Studying a bullshit degree like "international studies" with a "middle-eastern studies major".
Found the problem right there buddy.

How's bicycling around delivering taco bell and chipotle going?

>>3147839
That actually sounds pretty useful in the current times we live in.

>>3147810
Objectively incorrect desu, since I was a reasonable student in all other subjects, the cow had a problem with muh right wing opinions and she is well known for it

>>3147839
It was a double major with IR.

I work for a finance company. Most people get jobs that have nothing to do with their degrees; they're just a retard test.

>>3146778
nod an argumund :DDD

>>3147794
>too stupid to write a good essay
>gets bad grade
>Muh left wing skool!!!

/pol/ pls drop out

>>3142176
He actually said That? Christ, what a fucking simple minded twit. Still holding a grudge against Chad from high school.

You can tell what he's going to say to just about every question. Take that how you will

He's not even right about Sapir-Whorf

>>3145645
I too love when mechanical engineers ask me about their fantastic ideas for wireless mind control and power transmission because they think that having "engineer" on their diploma makes them an expert in all sorts of engineering.
People should stick to what they know, and realize when they're not well versed in a topic.

>>3147836
"good" and "evil" are labels for patterns of behavior
physical pain exists in the real world as a result of people's deliberate actions, so the consequences of being "evil" are real
therefor you can evaluate the consequences of deliberate act and consider ones that cause more harm to be "more evil"

>>3141970
His book about the crimes of American presidents would be fine if it wasn't for the fact that in it he ignores the existence of the Soviet Union with all context that comes with it.

>>3150587
>whataboutism

>>3150587
http://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/chomskys-venezuela-lesson/

Also amusing tale of Chomsky and socialist regimes.

>>3143770
yep, its bad to kill people. Get over it.

>>3150596
Do you even know what the fuck I'm talking about? Apparently not. He claims that the entire communist conquest in 20th century never happened and that American reaction to it was basically their own campaign against everyone. Removing Soviet Union removes the entire context behin American political strategy during the Cold War.

>>3142183
It has cool black people.

>>3143800
You didn't name anyone doe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%C3%A3_language

Chomsky tried to ruined a guy's career over this.

>>3150154
and how he's going to say it

(agonizingly slow, evasive and accusing the person asking a question of asking a loaded question/not being on point/claiming it's not the real issue)

>>3150157
Not something he's particularly known for but the sapir-whorf hypothesis is pretty uncontroversially rejected these days...

>>3150601
>muh Venezuela
He hasn't said anything supportive of Maduro.

>>3150933
I'd also be pretty embarassed if I were supportive of this trainwreck.

>>3141970
It's not that he's been any kinder to the democrats. He claims Bill Clinton allowing a certain hospital to be bombed was a bigger tragedy than 9/11.

>>3146778
Holy shit, I've never seen such crystal clear logic and cleverness, how will he ever recover?

>>3142734
Sort of how Nozick is known for "Anarchy, State and Utopia" while his best work can be found in epistemology.

>>3145695
QED

>crtl+f pol pot
>zero results
cmon
even if he admitted he was wrong, he was still wrong

>>3143782
>List of lies
>No lies in the list

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>>3149143
>poster is in a situation where he disagrees with the professor
>said disagreements lead to his getting a bad grade
>its his fault
>hes /pol/ now
Don't pretend his story is unique. Its a fact that most college campuses are leftist safe spaces.

>>3143814
lol

>>3150360
>People should stick to what they know, and realize when they're not well versed in a topic
Bullshit. That "stay in your own lane" stuff is pure toxic SJW well-poisoning. You can let your own brain be infected by that garbage, that's your problem. It's also a position anti-thetical to human nature and history. We wouldn't be half as advanced as we are now if people listened "stick to what you know" from triggered morons.

The difference here anyway is Chomsky IS well versed in the topics he talks about. He's that autismo. He wrote his first published academic literature review when he was 12.

>>3150572
Physical pain exists quite independent of humans. An impala being eaten alive asshole-first by a pack of African wild dogs sure as fuck feels pain, even if no humans are around to pontificate.

Labelling a group of people as "more evil" or not is a waste of time, as few people believe they are specifically committing evil just to thumb their nose at society.

>>3150587
American belief in manifest destiny and trend to world control (soft or hard, take your pick) would likely happen without the Soviet Union to provide a convenient moral excuse for doing so.

It's always funny to see the amateur hour critics come out and post all these AHA GOTCHA talking points, as if that finally removes the big curtain showing what a big bloody commie Chomsky is. Protip: if you've ever actually read any Chomsky, you'd know that he is most definitely not.

>>3143746
I passed out of the phase where I thought Chomsky was right about anything when I a sophomore in high school. It's pretty much the first thing you leave behind when you get interested in academic subjects. It's generally just a year or so after. So I guess 19 is reasonable since it's gonna be the first year at a university

>>3141853
>leftist
>right

>>3151100
A temptest in a tea pot if ever there was one.

Chomsky's point was that invading Cambodia would be a bald-faced escalation of American blasé imperialism. At the time, White House hawks were using the pretext of preventing deaths as an excuse to formally invade it, as well. Chomsky said that pretext was rather hypocritical, since the West was fairly quiet about atrocities it committed. Pot (lol, POL POT!) calling the kettle black, in other words.

A lot of people see this as criticism of the government (which it is), which must mean he plays for the other team (DE GODDAMN GOMMIES!!). This attitude always comes from people who've never read Chomsky and don't realize he is not a leftist (even though it is mostly leftists who draw from him a lot -- probably because the left can stand some self-criticism, and the right can't stand any). Chomsky doesn't play for any team.

>>3151170
As someone who works in academia (applied linguistics), I always find this argument funny. I've graded hundreds of papers. Usually when students do poorly, it is not because of their ideas, but structural or rhetorical problems. They don't really engage with their sources, they use weak sources (30 minutes on google, this'll be great!), they don't cite properly, their logic is absent, their coherence and cohesion are crap, they use too many filler phrases. If you can't satisfactorily argue your points, it doesn't matter what those points are.

Students are often blind to this and can't believe that their sheer brilliance only got a C+ or whatever (I'm not American, we use a different grading system). It must be because the prof hates my ideas!! No, it's because you can't write for shit.

Granted my field is not very political. I'm sure that in women's studies, 'international relations', sociology or anthropology or whatever, you do get some political commissars as profs.

>>3153146
So when you were, what, 15 years old or so? An age well known for its rational and comprehensive knowledge.

Fuck off.

>>3153165
Chomsky being a leftist doesn't mean he wants socialism. It's a worldview, one that usually seeks to reduce in some way the strong, successful or established

>>3153183
15 year old me was as rational (more so) than the typical adult. I'd wager that's true for most of this board. I forget the comedian who made some joke along the lines of "imagine how stupid the average person is, then think that half of everyone is dumber than them." As retarded as a lot of people on 4chan can act, they're probably more intelligent than the typical person.

But I didn't take Noam's theories and find them lacking. He's an intelligent guy, not some retard who can't see obvious logical inconsistencies. A 15 year old wouldn't out think him, regardless of how smart due to lacking experience and the knowledge that would provide context. I encountered preexisting criticisms. All the work was done for me, I was just lucky enough to run across it. Anyone who's got an interest in the topics Noam talks about will find rebuttals, even direct ones eventually

Chomsky being right about everything is arguably better than anything that will ever be.

He's a disgusting hypocrite

http://www.hoover.org/research/noam-chomsky-closet-capitalist

>>3153131
Would you prefer that people publicly opine on subjects they don't understand?