Who else here /ACW/? Easily the most interesting and prophetic

>>3136403
general threads are not allowed, read the sticky

>>3136405
Oh okay cool I'll just delete this thread and post another "is (insert ethnic group) evil" or "why is (ideology) so retarded" thread
You know, so as not to shit up the board

>>3136403
>prophetic
Unironically what did he mean by this? I'm intrigued.

>>3136422
those are not allowed as well, other people breaking the rules is not an excuse for you to break the rules

>>3136405

I don't understand this mentality. Why is people making a thread for the purpose of discussing a specific top such a problem?

>>3136438
because general threads invariably turn into circlejerks

>>3136445
It's not even supposed to be a general thread, just a thread about the American Civil War
Calm your autism champ

>>3136403

I went to Gettysburg with my friends once. They have a REALLY nice museum there now and the battlefield itself is very well-maintained.

I live in Richmond VA. It's awesome here to see the civil war stuff like the battlefields. Monument avenue has statues of some confederate folks too. I remember a few years ago on one of the statues, I can't remember who, someone protested and wrote black lives matter in huge letters on the base of it. It's real interesting stuff

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>>3136403

Confederate Artillery reporting for duty.

>>3136470
Im moving to Lexington in the fall for school, where in VA would you say is a "must see" for people interested in the Civil War?

>>3136471
Cool anon! How'd you get involved in reenactment? I really want to try it out, I just don't know where to start.

>>3136474
The Civil War Museum on Tredegar. It's also close to monument avenue so you get to see the statues too. I've visited a ton of battlefields because I took a class on the war, and it's probably just me but I didn't think they were too interesting. Tredegar offers a lot more imo. It's like an old factory or something they used to produce supplies for the war powered by the nearby river and all that's still there. There's some giant cannon in the front too it's awesome.

>>3136477

Fellow Sons of Confederate Veterans member was into it and gave me the email of an artillery unit.

You can probably find a unit by looking them up by region and state.

I'm trying to learn more about American accents in the 19th Century.
Are there any recordings of Union veterans?
I can only find Southerners.

>>3136553
How much did equipment (uniform, weapons, etc) run you?

>>3136403
Bleeding Kansan here remove border ruffians

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>>3136726

My unit had loaner equipment (spare uniforms) that I used for a couple years until I was able to piece together my own uniform from here and there. Cost me around $150 for the kepi ($30), shell jacket ($40 from a friend who was retiring from reenacting), pants ($50), and canteen ($30). I still have to borrow boots and belts though.

>>3136471
>rebels

>>3136901

?

>>3136429
Industrialized warfare, all metal warships, there was even a little action in the air

>>3136990
>there was even a little action in the air
Are we talking hot air balloons? That's cool as shit, got any details on it?

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>>3137075
>In Lowe's first instance of demonstration at Bull Run, he made a free flight which caught him hovering over Union encampments who could not properly identify him. As a civilian he wore no uniform nor insignias. With each descent came the threat of being fired on, and to make each descent Lowe needed to release gas. In one instance Lowe was forced to land behind enemy lines and await being rescued overnight. After this incident he remained tethered to the ground by which he could be reeled in at a moment's notice. Besides, his use of the telegraph from the balloon car required a wire be run along the tether.[13]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Army_Balloon_Corps

>>3136431
>tryna this hard to stop quality posts

>>3136431
You're a cunt.

Just about every day, going to uni or church, I drive past Fort Donelson; major battle that doesn't get a lot of publicity; basically, US Grant took the last remaining fort on the Cumberland River, which caused such a panic in Nashville that the Union Army basically took the city without a fight.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Fort_Donelson

When I visit my parents, I'm really close to the battlefield at Parker's Crossroads:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Parker%27s_Cross_Roads

>>3136403

I live a few hours from Gettysburg, it's a really neat site to visit.

>>3136403
American Civil war being compared the Napoleonic war.
Haha no
The Franco-Prussian war influenced modern history more than the ACW, let alone the Napoleonic wars

>>3138626

I'm guessing you're another self dick sucking German

>>3136403
I wouldn't mind joining a reenactment group, but for the sake of keeping things historically accurate I'd have to find a black one.

>>3138626
Franco-Prussian war is only influential due to the politics and the outcome, all of the shit done in the F-P was already done in the Civil War

>>3136474
W&L? Congratulations. Good school, lot of out of state kids.

>>3136771
Do it again Quantrill!

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>>3138626
>Unironically thinking a balkanized United States is less of an impact than the Franco-Prussian War

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I live in Pittsylvania County Virginia

Lots Civil War battlefields and stuff in this state, all over the place.

Here's one that took place an hour from where I live

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>>3139043

http://www.mass54thcompany-a.com

*puts on M&B voice*

"WE AIN'T GONNA BE AFRAID OF NO WHIPS NO MORE!"

>>3139343
Pottawatomie massacre best thing to happen to them boarder ruffians

>>3139399
Thank you much, anon! Hopefully once I get my degree I'll have the time and money to be able to reenact on a regular basis.

>>3136403
>Easily the most interesting and prophetic conflict of the 1800s
Lol

>>3136464
I went there years ago and some chucklefuck somehow built a car dealership in the middle of it. The fuck is wrong with some people?

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>>3139687

Was he at least selling them in Blue and Gray and counting to see which color sold better?

>>3136403

I made a fairly close study of the Gettysburg Address about a year ago and produced pic related:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Gettysburg_Address_Amalgamated_Text.jpg

Around that time, I also finally watched The Civil War, which I remembered my parents doing comfily while I'd move through the rooms to get pop and play video games. Felt good to finally understand the basic dramatic positions of the various generals.

>>3136405

Nobody reads, remembers, abides by, or respects a board-specific sticky on a given board you fucking idiot-least of all the hot pocket men themselves. Often, such directly contravenes the general intent of a given board. When you actually read same in this board's case, it contains self-contradictory language which easily admits of discussing things less than 25 years old despite the warning not to do so. And this precisely because the board's name and topic cover more than just history.

>>3136474
Va fag here, make sure you come to Appomattox. They have a wonderful event every year on the anniversary of the surrender. Bit of a drive from Lexington but fully worth it I'd say

>>3139364
I didn't think they even had the internet in Pittsylvania County. Altavista fag here

>>3141622
Fort Monroe and the Mariners' Museum are worth a visit too if you're interested in the Civil War

>>3136403
>Civil War
>(noun) a war between citizens of the same country.
you mean the "War Between the States", friendo

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Authentic Lincoln 1860 campaign flag on display in Sacramento, California.

>>3136431
You're a cunt

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>>3136990

Don't forget trench warfare, repeating firearms, and de facto concentration camps (albeit neither side intended this, the sheer volume of prisoners taken simply overwhelmed their ability to house, cloth, feed, and care for them).

>>3137228
I'm late as fuck but thanks for the link, really interesting read about an obscure part of the war.

>>3145435

Look up the CSS Teaser, the world's first "aircraft carrier"

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>>3136405
>>3136431

>>3139339
Ye W&L, Im psyched to be in the same town that Lee lived in and is buried in. I've been to Lee Chapel, it's a really cool place and they have a cool little 3 room museum dedicated to Washington and Lee

>>3136474
you lucky bastard. I'm from VA and got waitlisted there, UVA, and W&M. Going to my backup school now (roll tide).

J U S T

>>3136553
damn I should join SCV

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>>3147679

If you have your family line decently charted then they'll let you right in.

Just don't go to meeting saying any /pol/-tier racial stuff. They don't like that.

>>3147679
>bamafag
Auburnlad here, kys desu senpai

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>>3139399
Faugh A Ballagh

>>3136403
South Carolina reporting in, sadly anon I live near a revolutionary war battlefield, battle of cowpens. Atleast it is maintained in good condition and gives a fantastic history lesson as it really shows the differences between the red coats and revolutionaries in tactics and weaponry, as it was one of the first battles of the war.

>>3136429

Theres the technological aspect as mentioned already but in addition to that, the ACW really was a microchasm of all the cultural clashes the US has had and still has today. We tnink of America as one country but culturally its really like 20 countries all under one banner. The result is that even though we all identify as American, values on what it actually means to be American changes from region to region.

So in many ways the ACW never really ended. It just took a more insideous form.

>>3136403
Member of the SCV here. Live near two very minor battlefields. My great-great-great-grandfather was a quartermaster for a company of partisan rangers and a spy in Indian Territory. He never surrendered to the Yankees. His father was a hotelier who was ruined by the war.

>>3141744
>OP never says "Civil War", only "/ACV/"
But sick post anyways, friendo

Fucking remove ALL confederate statues.

>>3136431
You're probably the kind of faggot that complains about /pol/ in everyone's posts.

>>3149076
Go away /leftypol/

New York reporting in.
Would proudly supply the union once again.

>>3141632
REEEEEEEEEEE

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>>3149076

Kill ALL Unionist Vermin

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>>3136431
Rules are a spook

>>3149114
>the state that literally required Federal Military Intervention to put down due to draft riots
>proudly

>>3136403
I'm posting from the Blue Grass Army Depot, which stands on the site of the Battle of Richmond, famalam.

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Reminder that Johnny Reb deserved worse than what he caught.

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>>3150208

Lincoln supposedly once called New York an "honorary rebel state" because of the sheer number of Confederate sympathizers that came from there.

Albeit New York also provided the Union Army with some of its best soldiers.

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Daily reminder the main reason why US blacks are mostly marginalized lumpen proletariat right now is because the North was too soft on Southern landowners and didn't confiscate their estates to grant land to freedmen, despite many such proposals at the time. Otherwise, there would be a strong black middle class in the US right now.

>>3150257

>Northerners are this retarded

>>3150257
>if America had done something Unamerican some nebulous concept might have come true
Let's be glad they didn't then

>>3150303
>confiscating traitors' property
>unamerican
More like un-cuck.

>>3136403
The Dungan Revolt and the Taiping rebellion happened at the same time and had tens of millions of casualties each. The American civil war is a minor regional conflict at best.

>>3144912
trench warfare has existed since the advent of firearms.

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>>3150316

And 99% of the dead were Chinks starving to death (which seems to happen on a regular basis). So it's hardly unique in Chinese history.

The Civil War on the other hand was the largest armed conflict ever fought in the Western Hemisphere. Not even the Conquest of the Americas comes close to comparison in scale of the fighting and the death toll.

>>3150396
>the largest armed conflict ever fought in the Western Hemisphere
That's like being the best basketball player in Iceland.

whatever side you sympathize with, you have to admit the stars and bars is the GOAT flag

>>3150430
It's just St. Andrew's cross after undergoing burgerization.

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>>3150430
>stars and bars

Wrong flag buddy.

>>3136470
Have you seen CWC?

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>>3150430
>>3150446
It's interesting that it's was designed this way literally because some Jew got offended by a straight cross: https://deadconfederates.com/2013/05/17/the-politically-correct-origin-of-the-confederate-battle-flag/
> Charles Moise, a self-described “southerner of Jewish persuasion,” wrote Miles and other members of the South Carolina delegation asking that “the symbol of a particular religion” not be made the symbol of the nation. In adapting his flag to take these criticisms into account, Miles removed the palmetto tree and crescent and substituted a diagonal cross for the St. George’s cross.
Looks like Confederates were the original SJWs.

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>>3150473
Confederate secretary of state was a kike and that entire country was anti-white to the core. I honestly can't fathom why Union supporters get branded as "leftists" on this board by Dixie trash, apparently their utopia constitutes living in a country full of niggers and ruled by jews.

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>>3150473

Some of the more radical Christian denominations would have found it offensive as well. They would be of the opinion that the cross was sacred and not to be used on a national flag.

Frankly, I'm glad they went with the Saint Andrew's Cross instead of the more traditional cross. It gives the flag the flair of uniqueness that makes it so recognizable even in areas of the world where the Civil War had no impact whatsoever.

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>>3150506

>failing at memeballs this badly

ACW is quite possibly the most boring conflict imaginable. That is probably exacerbated by the degree to which Americans jerk off about it.

Low tier Napoleonic War that took place entirely in a low tier theatre of battle. Honestly, I would happily destroy every record of the war in exchange for recovering a lost text regarding an interesting conflict in Europe or China.

Also the confederate flag is tacky and ugly.

>>3150506
Lincoln was never pro-deportation, he supported strictly voluntary colonization, which failed spectacularly by 1864 and since that time he just accepted the fact that blacks are there to stay.

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In case anyone is interested, Ultimate General: Civil War has been released recently. I've finished the Confederate campaign and I liked it a lot, it feels somewhat like Empre: Total War, and they clearly spend a lot of time recreating all the major battlefields for the campaign.

>>3150542
What is it about Europeans that makes them so eager to try to shit on any and everything to do with America? Like, when we fuck with you guys it's just that: trolling. But your seething buttrage is totally real and to the point where you'll believe the most outlandish things. Sad desu.

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>>3150430
>carrying a white flag into battle

I get the symbolism, but what the fuck were they thinking?

>>3150637

The new flag was kinda designed in a rush...

>>3150609

I'm not shitting on everything American, let's put the victimhood to one side.

Fundamentally speaking, ACW takes place in a shit tier region. Mid-19th century United States is about as shit tier as you can get; the only way you care about any of the locations or individuals is if you were born in that country or directly related to the combatants.


On a practical level, the ACW gets almost as much attention as WW2. People can accept WW2 being given the most attention, because at least it's a world war and it occurred in recent memory.

I could expand on this explanation, but I'll leave it at that. I have American friends so obviously I'm not prejudiced against yanks.

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>>3150765
>On a practical level, the ACW gets almost as much attention as WW2.
Maybe if you only read English-language books published in the US. Other countries are more interested in their own internal conflicts.

>>3136403
Taiping Rebellion is a bigger, better conflict in the 1800s

t. American

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>>3150637
To be fair, it gave Union patriots the excuse to execute any surrendering Confederate traitor.

>Sorry, General, I thought that was their battle flag! Didn't want to take any chances!

>>3150590
Shame that multiplayer option didnt really work on Linux, for UGGettysburg hope they fixed that now

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>>3150316
>deathtoll=importance to history

>>3152383
Chinkaboos aren't American.

>>3152383
Nothing tops cowboy guerrillas

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So, who's the better general of the two? No memes about "butcher Grant" and "unbeatable Lee" pls.

I personally think it's Grant, his campaigns in the West were brilliant and in the East he was the first to realize he just had to own the losses and go forward to break the stalemate.
Lee, despite his tactical genius, made several serious mistakes, tactical (Gettysburg, Malvern Hill) and strategical(both invasions), and he was far too aggressive than he could have afforded to be.

>>3150460
I guess not because I don't know what that stands for

>>3153920
If Lee had worked with the same resources grant had I would say he's better but the south as a whole was just at a disadvantage imo and he didn't account for that.

Grant was a good general relatively speaking but he was working with an army built from the ground up by McClellen who was a great administrator but a poor strategist or tactician.

Lee is good but overrated. Much of his success is in having subcommanders who sorta knew what Lee wanted but didnt verbally convey. The battles without Jackson clearly shows either a deteriorating of officer effectiveness or that Lee himself wasnt clear on overall tactical goals.

Its all moot, Nathan Forrest was the best commander of the war

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>>3136431
>mfw faggots like this are on my board

>>3149114
Fuckin Yank

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>>3153920

Lee was always fighting an uphill battle with an army that was constantly short of men and ammunition, was on the verge of starvation on a good day, and had virtually non-existent infrastructure. Grant on the other hand had near unlimited men and resources to call upon, but even then still struggled to defeat Lee in open battle (although a large part of the blame for this rests on incompetent subordinates like Meade and Sigel).

I'd say Lee was the better of the two not because he won (he obviously didn't in the end), but because he was able to so much with so little. I don't think Grant could've pulled off what he pulled off if they had switched places.

>>3155305
> Lee was always fighting an uphill battle
Well, that's part of my problem with him, sometimes he didn't have to, like with the two failed invasions. He was holding good defensive positions and had the benefit of internal communications and short supply lines, he could have held the Potomac line for years, beating off occasional northern invasions with minimal losses. In fact, all he had to do was to hold it until the 1864 elections. Instead, he invaded the North two times, spread wide and predictably got beaten back with huge losses both times.
The difference between Grant and Lee is that the former was aggressive because he could afford it, and the latter - despite the fact he couldn't.

>>3152866
Shi Dakai is unironically the best noble, rebel General. Robert E. Lee can suck eggs.

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>>3155442
Lee understood his strategic positon.

He understood that the North had nearly three times the industrial capacity of the South and the ability to raise several huge ass armies to attack the stretched Confederate defenses. Any holdouts would be swarmed and outflanked eventually by Yank conscripts, and Lee figured that the only way to ensure that didnt happen was to break the North's will to fight.

He wasnt wrong, but he couldnt quite strike the blow he needed. Short of literally beheading Lincoln in personal combat after razing DC to the ground, Lee could never have pulled it off.

>>3155764
>Lee understood his strategic positon.
He didn't. By Summer 1863 the Conferacy really had only two strategic goals achieving which would allow it to survive the war - international recognition and a Democratic victory in 1864. They were doing pretty good on both by May 1863, and all they had to do is to hold their ground a little more and avoid any significant losses. Even after Gettysburg, Vicksburg, Chattanooga, and the Overland Campaign Democrats had been close to the victory right until the fall of Atlanta. The UK and French were quite close to intervention before Gettysburg as well. All Lee had to do was to send Longstreet's corp to the West already in June to help Bragg hold Tennessee and then just hold the line, something he had been doing very well all the previous year. Instead, he decided to gamble.
>to break the North's will to fight.
Invading someone's hinterlands and rising patriotic sentiment is not how you break their will to fight. With his two invasions, he discredited the concept of "Northen aggression" and undermined the peace party in the North.

Again, he was a tactical genius, but his aggressiveness robbed the Confederacy the only chance to win the war.

>>3155764

Sauce on that pic?