Why has virginity always been prized in women?

>>3131179
because you know its your kid and that she isnt some whore with a bunch of different potential fathers for her kids, dummy

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>>3131179
the same reason fresh food has been prized for all eternity

>>3131179
Cuz dat puzzy be tight m shieet

>>3131179

Search up paternity uncertainty.

>>3131179
Land inheritance

>>3131179

Because it's really all they're good for in the long run.

>>3131179
Their brains still have the capacity to pair bond.

>>3131184
/thread
That's also why female adultery is objectively worse than male one

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MUH CEREAL

>>3131184
This

>>3131305

this

caveman time > woman is slut > make many babby > babby hard to feed find food for babby > tribe enters crisis

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>>3131179

>virgin on marriage night

Wew lad!

>>3131867

Dude. Most kids died in child birth back then and if there were too many babies they'd just leave them in the woods.

>>3131184
This, but to expand, due to the patrilineal inheritance of land and wealth.

>>3131898
Now now we have no proof Theodora was a whore. She just dressed like a whore, lived with whores, and was a profession which was considered a Whore in all but name

No one like sloppy seconds.

>>3131911
pregnat woman even more useless than normal woman

Goose beaks aren't dicks.

>>3131184
>>3131305
This, obviously.
>>3131932
Also, because you don't want to waste any resources at all on a kid that's not yours, and you want to make sure your genes have actually passed on.

>>3131867
This isn't it at all, you mongoloid. It's all about secure paternity

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>>3131179

Human nature and theres nothing post-modernists can do about it men will always find virgin women more desirable as partners than some used goods

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A key that opens all locks is more valuable than a lock opened by any key.

>>3132659
A pencil that is sharpened too many times ends up as a nub, while the pencil sharpener has done its job well.

Men for whom sex is generally unavailable are typically drawn to the idea (but never the experience) of a virgin because of their sexual ineptness. If you ask someone who has regular sex wether they would have sex with a virgin or not, many of them if most most would say no.

It is no coincidence that virginity is prized in cultures where sexual neurosis is prevalent. Sex and virginity are not a big deal, they only put on this mysterious aura when you've been sheltered from it.

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>>3131179

>>3132659
where is the original image?

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>>3131867
How is babby formed ?

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Unquestionable paternity and maybe telegony.

>>3131332
>not wanting hundreds of dicks in your cheerios

What are you a fascist?

>>3132668
Good thing sex doesn't sharpen and shorten your dick, literally or metaphorically

>>3131179
>all this illiterate academia memes
Telegony is the answer
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141001090238.htm

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>>3131179

>>3132732
>If you ask someone who has regular sex wether they would have sex with a virgin or not, many of them if most most would say no.
I'm fairly certain that they're more inclined to say no in an attempt to virtue signal since prizing virginity is considered a patriarchal remnant of the dark ages and he would not like to ruin his reputation.

>>3132937
Congratulations, you now understand why explaining virginity with metaphors is stupid.

>>3133817
the castle and lock analogies are true equivalences

1: men (generally) want sex more than women, as proven by porno, fap rates, sex rates between gay men, heteros and gay women

2: so women are in higher demand sexually than they are in monogamous relationships where roughly every man is paired with a woman

3: if a woman is promiscous, then it is rational for a man to not waste time with her unless of course he is one of the most attractive men only interested in sex

So prizing virgins, or at least chasteness in the modern world, is actually a virtue in a man, it means he wants a long term relationship and isn't solely interested in sex. You can talk about male dominated societies and how men try to impose this on women with marriage, but it isn't wrong, unless you want to live in /r9k/'s nightmare where Chad gets all the girls and a proportion of men are lonely all their life.

Of course the world isn't like /r9k/'s nightmare. Most women aren't interested in being used for sex, if Chad doesn't want to commit most won't be the female equivalent of a "beta orbiter" and offer him sex whenever he wants.in the hopes he might change his mind.

I take the side of reddit in scolding /r9k/ for having high standards and a deluded view of relationships, though it doesn't change the fact that a slut isn't a desirable partner.

Of course then there are STDs, which are still a thing.

>>3133399
Kawaii

>>3133847
>used for sex

Fuck off, you can't "use" someone for sex. When I smash a bitch she wants to get smashed. Nobody is "using" anybody.

Virginity has been prized in men too. No wait thats not the proper word. Virginity has been seen as sacred in men. Ascetics hold the highest regard in most societies comparable to kings in some cases.

>>3133902
Caesar on the Germans:

>Their whole life is occupied in hunting and in the pursuits of the military art; from childhood they devote themselves to fatigue and hardships. Those who have remained chaste for the longest time, receive the greatest commendation among their people: they think that by this the growth is promoted, by this the physical powers are increased and the sinews are strengthened. And to have had knowledge of a woman before the twentieth year they reckon among the most disgraceful acts.

>>3133902
Not virginity

Abstinence

There's nothing noble about a homeless 3rd worlder "refusing" to eat food. It's different for someone who can actually acquire food.

>>3133847
Explaining something with an analogy, as if that automatically makes that true, is a fallacy. You are literally not explaining anything. Comparing people to objects and then explaining how those objects function doesn't actually make that function suddenly apply to human society.
Like, you can relock a lock but not a person's virginity, so why are we even discussing locks and keys?

I don't really disagree with the stuff you're saying, but lock and key stuff is the most brain dead way of rationalizing this.

>>3132732
This is wrong.
I think Germany is not a muslim and virgin shithole like many countries that you would expect to think like this.

But It's clear that virginity is even is desired by men of all ages, all Status and all political orientations and all cultues.

>>3131936
And yet she ended up being one of the most faithful, capable, and supportive empress in the history of the world, not just the history of the Roman Empire

Really activates those almonds

>>3132668
>having sex pares away a man's penis
Great analogy everyone knows men can only have sex ten times before their dick fades away.

>>3133890
t. virgin.
You are literally using her body for your pleasure you moron.

>>3134696

I think you are the virgin Anon because that is the big selling point of sex.

>>3134736
What the fuck are you even on about you braindead faggot?
>hurr durr i'll agree with him but claim he is wrong

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>>3134696
And she's not using my body for pleasure? That's the SOLE reason people have sex ya dumb bitch

Only a virgin would use virgin as an insult

>>3134784
>im not using her because she's using me too!
Fucking brainlet virgin. Only a virgin comes on the internet bragging about smashing bitches.

>>3134809
No, bragging involves exaggeration and unnecessary interjection. Men naturally discuss conquests.

>>3134879
>i totally smash plenty of bitches you guise seriously but i'm not using their bodies at all
t. virgin

>>3134945
So, having sex at all and mentioning it means you're a virgin? hmmmm

When I say bitch I don't mean like in a disrespectful way if that's what you mean

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>>3134696
>mi lady !

>>3134318
She and her husband ruined Rome, Italy and Africa literally because he had delusions of grandeur. He's only praised by romantic fags, and she's only praised by feminists who know her because romantic fags wrote about her husband.

>>3131179
TO BOLDLY GO WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE

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>>3134979
I could never understand why fedoras think anytime a man has sex with a woman for any reason but "twu wuv" he's "using" her. Redditors always get their panties in a twist.

>A-All sex is rape you sexist PIGS!!
>Male sexuality is predatory and wrong!

Fucking homos the bunch of them

>>3134963
I'm not him or an english native speaker but how the fuck do you call her a bitch "respectfully".

>>3131179
Only in patriarchal societies

>>3135305
As if there's any other kind?

>>3135007
it's as simple as this

>>3135021
thats literally the opposite of what fedoras think, if anything they think that all women are sluts who seek to entrap innocent men

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>>3135319
Are you insane? Fedoras are the classic atheist redditor feminist.

>Don't worry m'lady, I'm not like those sexist PIGS on 4chan

>If Invade you the option, would you open a brand new soda pop, or one that had seven penises in it?

>>3135319
those are mgtows, they're pretty much equally bad though

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>>3131332
>reading this post
>ny teenybopper sister says the word "cheerios" in the next room over to her friend in the phone
is cheerios the new codeword for dick

>>3137230
my*

>>3131179
Because it's a lot harder to remain a virgin as a woman than as a man. All a man has to do is keep his zipper closed, whereas a woman has to pray no one rapes her every single day of her life, especially during her childbearing years, AND do all the things we've been told not to do to "provoke" it.

>>3137238
*not* do all those things.

>>3137238
It's honestly harder to not rape than it is to be raped.

>>3137238
We cannot go alone at night, cannot expose our breasts, cannot expose our thighs, cannot go swimming alone, cannot work out in the men's side of the gym, cannot be alone with boys in a classroom without a teacher, etc.

>>3131292
The paternity thing and also unironically this.

For the same reason people wanted to be the first on the Moon or on the top of Mount Everest.

All other reasons like paternity uncertainty are bullshit. There is literally no reason why a virgin wouldn't cheat on you, but a non-virgin would. It's literally all about the privilege of being the only one who saw and felt her private place.

>>3138721
>All other reasons like paternity uncertainty are bullshit. There is literally no reason why a virgin wouldn't cheat on you, but a non-virgin would.

That's not the point, retard
The point is that a non-virgin can have fucked a guy few days before the wedding and already be carrying the child (and lie saying it was made during the wedding night)

With a viirgin, you're sure she never had sex with anyone else before and thus isnt carrying any child

>>3138743
So you basically still have 0 certainty that the children will definetely be yours.

Also, Hymen is not really a thing, the Vagina doesn't always bleed and sometimes it bleeds not just the first time but the first couple of times. So you literally have no way to determine if she truly is a virgin anyways.

>>3133890
When people say "used for sex" they're usually implying that a degree of manipulation is involved.

>>3138785
I feel like there are a lot of reliable subjective ways of getting a sense of it.

>>3137238
This is false I got raped at a sleepover by my ex I was 11

>>3131179
Would you prefer a nice, unopened can of soda or one that's open and has had several other men's dicks in it?

Modesty is a feminine trait that good men used to value.

>>3131184
Can someone explain this to me? I always though it would be pretty easy to tell if a child is your child or not.
Also, wouldn't evolution select for men that are able to recognize their own children? i.e. man realizes woman's child isn't his. Man then goes off to have a kid that is indeed his own.

>>3131292
this too

There's an instinctual aspect to it too, at least for me. I don't see sluts as relationship material.

>>3133847
Also it shows that a woman values fucking around more than being in a relationship, considering women generally have the option to do both.

Kind of like what this guy said>>3131292

>>3133847
>I take the side of reddit

lmao please leave

>>3137238
this is bait, right?

Even if your rape paranoia were realistic, it would still be easy to remain a virgin considering the significant majority of people DON'T get raped.

>>3137230
Yes. Spinners are code for drugs too

Because men have a biological urge to exclusively pass on their own genes

>>3131179
See some guy one the street, look at your non virgin soon to be wife, think "someone like that stuck his dick in my wife" , be disgusted.

Simple.

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Men just know virgins will be more loyal sexually I guess.

Virginity was only important for the perfumed asses of nobility in their little circles for a lot of reasons mentioned above. The common man didn't really give a shit about the purity of his wife, he cared more about how fertile she is, how loyal she is and how good around the house she is.

Keep in mind back then a couple didn't work like a typical 80s couple.

For one thing, men went to war frequently, this means there are now thousands of kilometers between the man and the woman. The woman will sleep around either because she likes cock or because she needs to, the man will sleep around either because the only pleasure he can get out of his wages is wine and whores, or because he likes raping the wives and daughters of the peasants he killed. Maybe when he returns home some army would've passed by and some solders would've raped the wife as well. Even under Christianity or Islam those things happen and you couldn't do anything about them other than go on with your life.

Also, even if times are peaceful and the couple is relatively well off, chilling on a farm there were still issues. The husband had his family and the wife had hers, chances are the marriage happened for some other ulterior motive, which, whatever it was, it was meant to link those two families together. Even if they don't get along with one another, say the wife cheated and the husband beat her, they couldn't outright divorce and if they tried to kill one another they'd start a feud between two families which could rile up the whole village. So it was heavily encouraged for the couple to just work it out, keep having kids and at least pretend you love one another. Back then, marriages meant land, food, water, wealth - life and death. Commoners had a lot of shit to deal with on a constant basis, virginity was the least of their worries.

>>3141934
yes but unless the real father is black, most babies look alike when they're born. By the time the "father" realizes whats going on, he's already invested years of live into the lustspawn; this makes the man THINK he can live with the fact that his wife mothered a child with another man, but in reality he will hate the child until he dies.

>>3131184
this

I don't care what anyone says. Female degeneracy is gross and wrong.

>>3143131
you're pretending that the only classes of people were nobility and urban labourers living in squalor.

in rural areas where everyone knew everyone and people followedreligious codes of conduct, of course it mattered if a potential wife had a reputation for loose, premarital sex.

we took that as seriously as muslims in muslim countries do now.

It's not like it was something tat was absent and never part of general european culture until the 20th century when it popped up out of nowhere just before being torn down by the birth control pill and contraception changing culture in the 50s and 60s.

>>3141934
It's not always easy. What if the child takes after the mother?

>>3132668
a pencil sharpener get worn and dull by sharpening too many pencils

>>3138721
>There is literally no reason why a virgin wouldn't cheat on you, but a non-virgin would.

but this is the case. there are studies proving that the more previous sexual partners a woman has, the more likely she is to cheat.

you're rightthat being the first does feel really good too

>>3131184
t. beta

>>3143173
People did follow religions and codes of conduct but my argument was that at the end of the day things necessary for survival and a good life were more important than virtues. All the books I've read that were set in rural environments like villages are countrysides showed this contrast between material things and virtues. People couldn't afford to be zealots or even picky for that matter. Peasants would travel to the nearest hub of trade to sell their stuff after the harvest and the brothel owners would send their girls to pick them off from the marketplace because he knew the peasants just got some cash and their wives couldn't compare to clean, shaved expert whores.

City life was like that as well for your average craftsman, landowner or artisan, they were the ones that visited the brothels most and women slept around for favors all the same. If a lord or a prestigious knight or a rich merchant visited the city, women would throw themselves at him even if the priests frowned because they knew a night with that man could change their lives.

The difference between Islam now, and in the olden times was how family worked for women. If we're christian, you marry my daughter, she cheats on you and then you kill her, I'l do my best to kill you back. If we're muslim, you marry my daughter and she cheats on you we'l stone her to death together like the best of buds.

>>3131179
Would you rather use a new shiny onahole or share one with Tyrone?

>>3143239
t. cuck

>>3143286
Any sources for any of what you're saying?
It's true that you can't afford to care about virginity today, but I don't see why the same is true in earlier times.

I like how you also admit virginity is in fact a virtue.

>>3143146
>yes but unless the real father is black, most babies look alike when they're born.

That's a good point. I didn't think of that.

>>3143201
I guess that's possible. Although I've never met anyone that didn't have at least a slight resemblance to both of their parents.

>>3143239
Let's say he is in fact a beta. Is he supposed to just forget that a given promiscuous woman decided to fuck everyone except him? Because we all know that when women are fucking around a lot in their youth, it's not the nerd betas that they're going after. You can call people loser and betas etc. all you want, but that doesn't prove them wrong.

>>3141934
>I always though it would be pretty easy to tell if a child is your child or not.

Well then you thought wrong, because the only definitive way of knowing a child is yours is a DNA test, and those weren't invented until the 1980s.

So for most of history human males had paternal uncertainty, hence they valued virginity.

>>3145724
This is a very helpful response.

>>3131179
Well they hardly work, all that is left is being a loyal waifu